2007 NL Wild Card: SD @ COL - Who wins?

[hudsonharden]

Who's your pick to advance to the NLDS in this matchup?

[rdonahue]

I hope the Padres win since I'm a Maddux fan but I really like this Rockies team. Too bad they both couldn't go (can't one of them fill in for the Yankees or something? I've had enough of them.)

[BoofBonser26]

I'll be rooting for the Padres. They're like the sister team of the Indians in the NL.

Giles
Kouzmanoff
Bard
Bradley (yuck)

[jsmets92]

Does anyone know if the game will be nationally televised?

[BoofBonser26]

Does anyone know if the game will be nationally televised?
Yes. It will be on TBS. I read that on the Rockies website.

[ChrisLDuncan]

I'm rooting for the Rockies. It'd be nice to see Helton get to play in the playoffs. Also I love Tulowitzki and Holliday. Does anyone know who's pitching?

[Westlake]

Peavy vs. Fogg

[Jason R. Maier]

Yes. It will be on TBS. I read that on the Rockies website.

Yup . . saw it'll be at 7:30 Eastern time . . .

[ChrisLDuncan]

Peavy vs. Fogg

Sorry Rockies fans. :thumbsdown:

[Erik Bedard]

With Peavy going for the Padres, I don't think the Rockies have much of a chance, even with the home-field advantage and the wave of momentum they're on. Should be a good game, though.

[hudsonharden]

Peavy pitching tips the favor toward the Padres, in my opinion. I like them to win in a fairly close game.

[MyDogSparty]

Peavy pitching tips the favor toward the Padres, in my opinion. I like them to win in a fairly close game.

I'm torn. I want Peavy to win 20 games but I have to root for Colorado because of Helton. Peavy will get another chance to win 20 in another season. Helton may not get another chance to make the playoffs in Colorado.

[brett]

The Rockies are not your typical 89-73 team. Before the break, they averaged

4.86 runs per game and allowed
4.71

Since the break they have averaged
5.74 runs per game and allowed
3.85

That would have them at a 67.5 (pythagorian) winning percentage in their 73 games since the break!

They have actually gone 44-29 since the break

They also may have the best defense in baseball.

If they win, they could be very dangerous.

Torealba +8


As a team they are 75 runs saved above average.

Some numbers:
Tulowitski: +23 FRAA AT SHORTSTOP!
Torrealba: +8
Helton: +16
Matsui: +11
Holliday: +13


Tulowitski probably deserves to win the gold glove at shorstop.

[ChrisLDuncan]

The Rockies are not your typical 89-73 team. Before the break, they averaged

4.86 runs per game and allowed
4.71

Since the break they have averaged
5.74 runs per game and allowed
3.85

That would have them at a 67.5 (pythagorian) winning percentage in their 73 games since the break!

They have actually gone 44-29 since the break

They also may have the best defense in baseball.

If they win, they could be very dangerous.

Torealba +8


As a team they are 75 runs saved above average.

Some numbers:
Tulowitski: +23 FRAA AT SHORTSTOP!
Torrealba: +8
Helton: +16
Matsui: +11
Holliday: +13


Tulowitski probably deserves to win the gold glove at shorstop.

I'd say they do have the best defense in baseball. Also as far as Tulowitzki he is the best defender in baseball...period. I have never seen such a sickeningly illl defensive talent. He has a cannon mounted on his right shoulder, and he may be the best defender in baseball for years to come.

[Old Sweater]

I'd say they do have the best defense in baseball. Also as far as Tulowitzki he is the best defender in baseball...period. I have never seen such a sickeningly illl defensive talent. He has a cannon mounted on his right shoulder, and he may be the best defender in baseball for years to come.

During the game yeaterday they showed that the Mariners had the fewest errors ever for a season with 65. The Rockies made 2 in that 11-1 game and I believe set at 66.

[ChrisLDuncan]

During the game yeaterday they showed that the Mariners had the fewest errors ever for a season with 65. The Rockies made 2 in that 11-1 game and I believe set at 66.

Yeah but the Ms defenders do a horrible job of positioning themselves and they don't get much out of their talent.

[geezer]

This is a game worth watching, I think it will be a close game, and Peavy will struggle in Colorado, IMO.

[Old Sweater]

Yeah but the Ms defenders do a horrible job of positioning themselves and they don't get much out of their talent.

How do you know that? I forgot the year that they set the record.

Cracks me up everytime when a boarder with stats thinks he knows more about the game then the Pro's playing it.

[ChrisLDuncan]

How do you know that? I forgot the year that they set the record.

Cracks me up everytime when a boarder with stats thinks he knows more about the game then the Pro's playing it.

Well if you were to watch the Ms play you would realize that they have sickening defensive talent, but they don't position themselves in the best places to get to balls. Cal Ripken Jr. never had the best range or talent but he always put himself in the best place to get to balls.

[Knick9]

Peavy will give it a good run in this game. No doubt. But, I can't help but point out that this game will be held at Coors Field, and we know how easily that ballpark can turn on pitchers, humidor or not.

The Rockies have a solid and resilient offense. Helton, Holliday, Hawpe, and then Tulowitzki. I can easily see this being a Rockie win if Peavy gets hit early. Plus, Bradley and Cameron are out.

[Old Sweater]

Well if you were to watch the Ms play you would realize that they have sickening defensive talent, but they don't position themselves in the best places to get to balls. Cal Ripken Jr. never had the best range or talent but he always put himself in the best place to get to balls.

Like I said, I forgot the year that the M's set the record for fewest errors and I should think that a major leaguer should know how to position themselves with all the scouting reports and years in the league then a fan watching the game. The 65 set by the M's is good D and the 66 that the Rockies have this year is incredible with all the infield assists the Rockies have this year. Near 560 or so for Tulo and a + 520 by the Rockies 2nd baseman............(.40) a game for the Rockies this year. That is good ball!

Don't you think there is a good reason that the coaches and the players are in the majors and we are sitting in a chair watching the game on TV or at the ballpark?

[ChrisLDuncan]

There is such a thing as poor management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Torre) And there are countless Ms fans who can attest to their distaste for the coaching staff, read the thread on Betancourt's defense in the stats thread.

[Westlake]

Why, just because they are in the majors, make them right all the time? Most of the time, sure.. but not always.

In this case, i've heard from many people that Betancourt isn't utilizing his talent the way it should be because of being over anxious and bad positioning. With his talent, you'd think he'd have the stats to back it up, but he doesn't. Should come with time though.

[DownUnderDodger]

Why did the Rockies get home field advantage? Was it a toss of the coin, or based on percentages or the like?

[ReignInBlood]

Why did the Rockies get home field advantage? Was it a toss of the coin, or based on percentages or the like?

They won the season series against the Padres, 8-7 or something like that.

[Old Sweater]

Why did the Rockies get home field advantage? Was it a toss of the coin, or based on percentages or the like?

I read in the Denver Post that the Rockies had won the coin flips if it was a 3 team playoff for the wild card. The other 2 teams would have played and then the Rockies would have had to traveled to their park to play.

Since it is just the Padres, the Rockies beat them head to head 10-8, I don't know for sure if the coin flip had anything to do with the Rockies advantage but IMO I don't think so. Head to head should count for something. The Rockies also beat the Mets 4-2 and the Phillies 4-3 in head to head and I think the Rockies should have had home field advantage in the 3 team playoff.

The Rockies also beat the D Backs and Giants 10-8 and the Dodgers 12-6 in the head to head games. Tough to do in the NL West with the pitching all the teams have.

Also on the news I saw that Peavy is just .500 against the Rockies and no pitcher in their right mind enjoys facing the Rockies at home with their lineup. Brad Hawpe is so hot right now that he is hitting leftys which he has always struggled against.

I just hope the Rockies pitchers get the soggy balls out of the humidor and give the balls left out in the sun in the parking lot for 3 days to Peavy........has worked great so far this year for the Rockies pitchers who have a lower ERA at home this year. That has to be the reason for are pitchers ERA's at home this year since it is so damn easy for every major leaguer to hit the ball better at Coors Field. Huh? Still remains a mystery to me though that the Rockies have a team .540 winning percentage at home with all the bad teams and pitching we have had through the years since it is so damn easy to hit the ball at Coors Field for every major leaguer that comes to town. It couldn't just be the Rockies hitting better then the other teams with the better pitching at home since it is so damn easy for every major leaguer to hit the ball better at Coors Field. Huh?

[Zagi-CRO]

San Diego is my pick.

[Old Sweater]

There is such a thing as poor management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Torre) And there are countless Ms fans who can attest to their distaste for the coaching staff, read the thread on Betancourt's defense in the stats thread.



Why, just because they are in the majors, make them right all the time? Most of the time, sure.. but not always.

In this case, i've heard from many people that Betancourt isn't utilizing his talent the way it should be because of being over anxious and bad positioning. With his talent, you'd think he'd have the stats to back it up, but he doesn't. Should come with time though.

I told Chris from the get go that I couldn't remember the year that the M's had 65 errors which I believe is the record. It was in 2003 before the Betancourt kid was there and Bob Melvin was the manager. That is why I kept saying how do you know which team had bad D positioning and how some fans knew better then the players how to play a hitter. Betcha the next Rockies game I attend and yelled out to Tulo "play this guy a step further to the hole" that he would look at me like I fell out of a tree or had 3 heads. Of course I'm just a fan of the game and not a pretend coach, manager or GM. I haven't ever figured out the game enough to be 2nd guessing every move made by the manager. Only thing I know about the Rockies is they have some tight ass owners who could pay more and even then the Monforts are turning more of a profit then I could. And Tulo should win the ROY hands down but that is a big IMO.


Why, just because they are in the majors, make them right all the time? Most of the time, sure.. but not always.


Well of course, look how many times through the years that you see a infielder go to cover on a steal or hit and run and field a ball hit right up the middle. No one is even close to being right all the time in baseball on a hit ball or any other aspect of the game. If I was to bet though, I would put my money on the guys getting paid to play or coach the game.

[Old Sweater]

San Diego is my pick.

Rockies would be my pick but the poll said "Who is going to win" so I didn't vote since I don't know for sure.

[KCGHOST]

I'll pick the Padres and Peavey to overcome the Rockies.

[sflnyc]

I was rooting hard for the Phillies (Wild Card), Brewers and Rockies (Division titles) to make the playoffs jsut so that we could see some fresh teams out there. I wanted Milwaukee to make it the most because they haven't been relevant (with the Harvey's Wallbanger's crew) since I was in high school. The Rockies still have their chance to punch their ticket tonight.

[redlegsfan21]

I'll be rooting for the Rockies in spirit. The one time I get to go to a NFL game, this happens (and no, I can't just skip, I'm required to go see the Bengals lose).

[NightHawks2007]

The Rockies are hot. They have the offense to deal with Peavy, who's coming off a somewhat rough start. The Padres are cold. Rockies win 5-3.

[GiambiJuice]

This game is turning into a slugfest and it looks like it has a chance to be an instant classic. Helton just homered to cut Padres lead to 5-4.

I am riveted.

[Knick9]

I am shaking...

Rockies tie it up at 5-5 with a Matt Holliday single.

[Mariano_Rivera]

I`m not a fan oif either of these teams, or even NL baseball in general but I`m riveted by this

[Erik Bedard]

Seth Smith just got his first career XBH... a leadoff triple in the bottom of the sixth.

[Mariano_Rivera]

Seth Smith just got his first career XBH... a leadoff triple in the bottom of the sixth.

I think he was the second batter

[Knick9]

Seth Smith hit a huge 1-out triple in the sixth and now former Met Kazuo Matsui hit a sac fly!

Tulowitski now with a triple. It helps to have deep dimensions.

[Erik Bedard]

I think he was the second batter

Yep. I didn't see Torrealba's AB. Matsui brought him home with a sac fly, now Tulo just tripled. I think Peavy's losing it.

Well, two quick strikes to Holliday, and then he throws one way inside on him. Then he strikes him out.

[Erik Bedard]

Why is Peavy coming back out for the seventh? He's thrown 109 pitches and given up six runs. Hey, Bud Black -- you can't save your bullpen for the playoffs if you don't get there.

[Knick9]

Erik, yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. Bud Black, you do have a bullpen, you can use it...

[Knick9]

Bottom of the ninth we go...Todd Helton is due up first. Every hitter's dream...

[cbenson5]

Well, they could not settle things in 162 games, so no surprise that they couldn't settle it in 9 innings tonight. What a game.

[geezer]

We're going to overtime, after 9 innings, the score tied 6-6.

[GiambiJuice]

Extra innings in a one game playoff. It doesn't get any better than this. Who's going to be this year's Bucky Dent/ Bobby Thompson?

[Knick9]

GJ, I keep thinking Todd Helton, because it would be fitting, but I don't know.

No matter what the result, this has been one of the best games I've ever seen, TV or in person...

[RuthMayBond]

This reminds me of an alleged quote about an old-time game. A fan's house caught fire and they used to announce at the park if this happens. Supposedly the fan said, "Let the darn thing burn. I GOTTA see the end of this game!" :clapping

[GiambiJuice]

It's not really important, but it's pretty cool for Adrian Gonzalez. He ended the regular season with 29 HR and 96 RBI and he was able to get to exactly 30 and 100 because of his Grand Slam tonight.

[Westlake]

If I was to bet though, I would put my money on the guys getting paid to play or coach the game.

Finally we agree on something.

[BaseballRookie]

These guys are playing like they want to be in the postseason.:clapping

[Knick9]

Somebody better get a run soon...this is turning into a 15-round fight with another famous "Rocky."

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

I have a hunch the game will end right here in the bottom of the 12th.

[geezer]

And the Padres bullpen found out Holliday's weak points, boy 3 straight strikeouts for him.

[redlegsfan21]

The Regular Season will never end.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Heh, or not

[cbenson5]

Heh, or not

These boys might just play all night man. I've made myself a pot of coffee, so I'm ready.

[BaseballRookie]

Nope, Padres score this inning. :nod:

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

I don't have all night =/ I have school in the morning

[GiambiJuice]

25 strikeouts in the game already, through 12 innings. Colorado hitters have 15 strikeouts. Not only that, but San Diego pitchers have 15 strikeouts too!

[cbenson5]

I don't have all night =/ I have school in the morning

I've got work, but this won't be the first time I've been up all night before work. You can't miss this. People will be talking about it for decades.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

I've got work, but this won't be the first time I've been up all night before work. You can't miss this. People will be talking about it for decades.

Yeah I know, I'll be staying up. I already told my mom I'm staying up until the game is over so I have an excuse for when I'm tired at 6 in the morning.

[cbenson5]

Two run homer. We might get to bed at a reasonable hour after all.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Homerun Padres =/ I was rooting for the Rockies

[cbenson5]

Homerun Padres =/ I was rooting for the Rockies

Sorry man. I'm rooting for the Padres just to watch Maddux pitch again.

[BaseballRookie]

I had a hunch they would do that.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Maddux, long time Cub. Maybe Maddux will pitch against the Cubs in the NLCS :D

[cbenson5]

Maddux, long time Cub. Maybe Maddux will pitch against the Cubs in the NLCS :D

I still get chills watching Maddux pitch. I'm a Braves fan, so I watched almost every start he made between 1993 and 2003. He was amazing in the mid 90's and isn't too bad right now.

[GiambiJuice]

You gotta love Jorge Julio! As soon as he entered the game, I figured the Padres were going to win.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Yes, double by Matsui.

[Westlake]

Game isnt over with the Rockies at the plate. They can hit off anyone.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Another double! 8-7

[Knick9]

Hold the phone!.....

Rockies within a run, 8-7...

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Tie Game!!! Triple

[BaseballRookie]

This game is getting better and better...

[Knick9]

Hold the phone even more!!!!

We're tied again at 8-8!!!

[GiambiJuice]

Maybe I spoke too soon. I almost forgot. Hoffman never gets a save in a big spot.

[Westlake]

Like I said, hit off ANYONE. I thought that Holliday fly was going to be an easy out... guess I havent seen enough games at Coors.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

This is definitely one for the ages

[GiambiJuice]

I guess Holliday just solidified his MVP-ness.

[Mattingly]

Will this game ever end?

Todd Helton IBB'd, corner runners, no outs. Hoffman stuck himself into a big pickle.

[DodgerBlue8188]

This game might go down as the best game this post season.

[penneyAA]

yeah,baby!!!!!!

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Game Over

Rockies Win

[Knick9]

Rockies Win!!!

This is the best game I ever seen! :nod:

[cbenson5]

This sure was a great game. Hopefully, the postseason will be this exciting.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Holliday is hurt...wonder what happened...:cry:

[Mattingly]

Carroll hit sacrifice fly to right, Holliday scored.

Turn out the lights, everyone can go home now.

[DodgerBlue8188]

Wow, crazy game. Holliday might get MVP after this game.

[PleaseWinAWorldSeriesCubs]

Holliday never touched home...

[geezer]

Its over, and the hero is Holliday, the NL MVP, write that down, he hustled down to home plate, struck head first but score the winning run, allegedly.

[DodgerBlue8188]

holy cow, he was out boys and girls.

[Mattingly]

Holliday never touched home...
He never touched home? Wow, that's interesting.

[GiambiJuice]

Awesome game. Definitely one for the ages. Hoffman is an absolute dog in big games. He out-Benitezed Armando Benitez and out-Mesaed Jose Mesa and out-Juilioed Jorge Julio in this one. He even out-Wagnered Billy Wagner.

This is why I will never see Hoffman as an all-time great. He sucks when the pressure is on.

Great game though!

[insanefishpossay]

He never touched home? Wow, that's interesting.

Hard to tell for sure, but it looks like the catcher blocked the plate. The ump didn't make a call initially, but when the catcher got the ball and went to tag him he made the safe call.

[SamtheBravesFan]

It looked to me like Barrett's foot blocked Holliday's hand.

[cbenson5]

He never touched home? Wow, that's interesting.

Yea, the replays clearly show that Barrett blocked Holliday off the plate. I hate to see such a great game end on a missed call.

[BaseballRookie]

Umpires have been blowing calls all season long...

[DodgerBlue8188]

I wanted Rockies to win this game but I wish they had made the correct call. That would have made this game even better if he had been thrown out at home. Great block by Barret.

[DodgerBlue8188]

Umpires have been blowing calls all season long...

Yup and this is one case that probably cost SD their season. It would have been the second out. Hoffman probably would have gotten the next guy considering the great play by defense.

[Westlake]

Really sucks that the game ended on a blown call. Jeez. How did it take him so long to make that call?

[hudsonharden]

Honestly I couldn't tell if Holliday touched home or not, and the umpire had a much better view than any of us.

[Ontarioguy]

Do they not have an overhead camera shot at Coors Field? That would probably be the most conclusive.

[geezer]

IT looks from an angle that he maybe touched homeplate, I dont know its just me.

[Knick9]

All I could see would be that after Holliday slid past home plate, I noticed dirt fly over the plate. He may have had a mere finger cross the plate, who knows? :(

[geezer]

Luckily, Holliday's all fine now, he talking to the press.

[Brian McKenna]

Blown call - The Padres were robbed but they had the weekend to make sure it didn't come to this.

Peavy and Hoffman didn't come through today.

[Sean Casey]

Looks to me like he was out...this could go down as the next Don Denkinger or Doug Eddings.

[Westlake]

haha... loved Holliday's interview. When they asked him if he touched the plate, he says "I don't know, the umpire said I did." Perfect answer to a play like that -- He probably didn't know after that collision with the ground.

I also liked his "I'm just being humble" line. Hahaha.

Anyway, what an insane game. Maybe that last (seemingly, as there is a very small chance he touched it with his finger) bad call makes up for the HR call earlier. As far as I know anything over the yellow line is gone, and it was over the yellow line.

[geezer]

Maybe the umps just wanna go home, and were tired hahahaha.

[DodgerBlue8188]

Just wanted to give to guys credit here. Barret and Giles. That was a good throw by Giles in a game time situation like that and Barret did a picture perfect block of home plate.

[Steven Bryant]

Be cool if they forced them to continue the game Merkle style.

The blown call at the plate sucks, but the fact they were in that position is the Padres own fault. Rockies deserved that win.

Congrats

[geezer]

Well, it might look that Maddux and the Padres will have to wait till next year to be in the playoffs, and what a way for a possible choke job, to lose the last 2 games of the regular season and the tiebreaker as well by leading by 2 runs with Trevor Time on the hill.

[DodgerBlue8188]

What about that home run/double hit? Was it a home run? It hit the top of the wall. It got ruled a double so if it was actually a home run then they are even IMO.

[GiambiJuice]

Why am I the only person addressing the fact that Hoffman can't get the job done in a big spot - ever.

[geezer]

Why am I the only person addressing the fact that Hoffman can't get the job done in a big spot - ever.


Kukjian is telling the same thing right now hahaha.

[Westlake]

Why am I the only person addressing the fact that Hoffman can't get the job done in a big spot - ever.

I hope so, because thats not true. He's gotten it done before, but he does meltdown at times too. Rivera has been doing the same thing lately. Weird.

[Steven Bryant]

Why am I the only person addressing the fact that Hoffman can't get the job done in a big spot - ever.
I'm obviously a Padres fan, but I think the reason no one is responding is most agree. The ability to pitch in a big game is why history will look back at Rivera as the best closer of all time.

[AutographCollector]

Really sucks that the game ended on a blown call. Jeez. How did it take him so long to make that call?

40 replays later... he was out. Barrett's foot blocked the corner of home plate and Holliday's hand never touched the plate. Why did the home plate ump hesitate to make the call? Who knows...

[hudsonharden]

Despite the fact that it was a questionnable call, I still prefer that baseball is a human game with decisions made by humans.

[jwkfs]

40 replays later... he was out. Barrett's foot blocked the corner of home plate and Holliday's hand never touched the plate. Why did the home plate ump hesitate to make the call? Who knows...


Barrett never had the ball, and never tagged him even after getting the ball.

Anyway, at the very least I think it makes up for the home run Atkins was robbed of.

[bryanac625]

If he touched anything, he touched Barrett's foot. I just wonder if Barrett felt it.

If I were a Padres fan, I'd be pretty upset right now.

[Erik Bedard]

If anyone taped this game, I would pay dearly for a copy. I had to use Gameday because I don't get TBS, and this was apparently too incredible to miss.

[DodgerBlue81]

Hoffman stinks in a big spot again. No surprise.

[DodgerBlue81]

Congratulations Rockies!!!!!!!!

[rockin500]

Looks to me like he was out...this could go down as the next Don Denkinger or Doug Eddings.
why? dekinger was obvious. this one? not nearly so obvious. in fact not clear at all. no good angle to see the play, really and with all the dirt flying its pretty clear that it wasnt a clear play.

[Old Sweater]

Hey the game went to 4 innings to far because of a blown call. Rockies were do for a break in a call by an ump. That is the 3rd HR by Atkins this season that he got screwed out of. Part of the game sure, go's both ways.

Guy is here right on ESPN radio and says he has watched the replay a 100 times and he can't tell if Holliday touched the plate. The HR by Atkins was clear as a bell on replay but I'll never support instant replay.

If RMB's paper gold glove outfielder would have caught that fly ball the game would have been over in 9...........lol............Holliday is everything you can be as a player so far except for a GG Outfielder. On paper yes but not if you have watched him for 4 years.

[Old Sweater]

Sorry Rockies fans. :thumbsdown:


With Peavy going for the Padres, I don't think the Rockies have much of a chance, even with the home-field ]
advantage and the wave of momentum they're on. Should be a good game, though.



Peavy pitching tips the favor toward the Padres, in my opinion. I like them to win in a fairly close game.


I'll pick the Padres and Peavey to overcome the Rockies.


Homerun Padres =/ I was rooting for the Rockies


I had a hunch they would do that.


Maddux, long time Cub. Maybe Maddux will pitch against the Cubs in the NLCS :D


You gotta love Jorge Julio! As soon as he entered the game, I figured the Padres were going to win.

And Peavy is still just .500 against the Rockies. It's that darn Chris Young that has owned the Rockies the last 2 years. Then the Rockies even got him the last time they faced him.

Told you guys that we get the soggy balls out of the humidor and give the sun baked one's to the opposing pitcher.

[RuthMayBond]

If RMB's paper gold glove outfielder would have caught that fly ball the game would have been over in 9...........lol............Holliday is everything you can be as a player so far except for a GG Outfielder. On paper yes but not if you have watched him for 4 years.You definitely judge an entire season by one play :applaud: :clapping :rolleyes:

[Big_Mac]

what a fantastic game, my eyes were wide open the whole night. i guess this is what happens when you watch the jays all year and then you watch a ballgame like this. best one i've seen all year.

for the winning run, i don't think you can say with 100% certainty that he did not touch the plate. the guy with the best point of view was mccleland and i'll stand behind his call.

was it just me or when you saw hoffman come in you though something might happen? the fact it was the top of the order coming up and that when hoffman blows one game (saturday) usually more come behind it. and i really like tbs broadcasting, maybe they can take over fox? i can only dream.

great game, well managed and played and i'm glad i can say i watched every pitch. congrats colorado.

[Old Sweater]

You definitely judge an entire season by one play

No way RMB! It's from 4 years of watching him. He isn't even close to Cory Sullivan our defensive bench outfielder. Improved yes but not even close to GG caliber, way to many misplays that don't show up in those stats. If he wins the GG it will be because of his bat that shouldn't count. He still approaches the ball like Matsui of the Yankees at times.

[RuthMayBond]

No way RMB! It's from 4 years of watching him.Do you judge THIS year's Gold Glove by including THREE previous years?

<He isn't even close to Cory Sullivan our defensive bench outfielder.>

He doesn't help a lot on the benc

<Improved yes but not even close to GG caliber,>

I'm comparing him with other NL LF this year

[Neilios]

Despite the fact that it was a questionnable call, I still prefer that baseball is a human game with decisions made by humans.

Amen. If technology is going to decide calls, what's the difference if MLB goes all-virtual and a generation from now, humans aren't even playing the damn game! Everyone plays video games anyway. There's not going to be any athletes to choose from pretty soon. Side note, in the Dominican, young boys live "The Sandlot" every day, much like we Americans used to. We Americans "used to" dominate the game, now Dominicans/Latin Americans do. Hmmm. Sorry, I digress...


Anyway, at the very least I think it makes up for the home run Atkins was robbed of.

Another Amen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at Comerica Park, the yellow line at the top of the wall represents a homerun. The line separates a homerun from a hit, but landing on the yellow line is a homerun. You know that yellow pole-thingy in each corner? What happens if you hit that? Helen Keller could tell the ball was at the yellow line or higher.

Even if the call at the plate wasn't the right one (and no one this side of heaven can say for certain), the two teams were even in "bad breaks." And the Rockies still came out on top. Legitimate Rockies win and Padres loss. Congrats to the Rockies. One of the best games I've seen all year. Go Cubs.


and i really like tbs broadcasting, maybe they can take over fox? i can only dream.

(bonus AMEN) :)

[Old Sweater]

Do you judge THIS year's Gold Glove by including THREE previous years?

<He isn't even close to Cory Sullivan our defensive bench outfielder.>

He doesn't help a lot on the benc

<Improved yes but not even close to GG caliber,>

I'm comparing him with other NL LF this year

Really now RMB, just how much have you seen Holliday play?

[ChrisLDuncan]

And Peavy is still just .500 against the Rockies. It's that darn Chris Young that has owned the Rockies the last 2 years. Then the Rockies even got him the last time they faced him.

Told you guys that we get the soggy balls out of the humidor and give the sun baked one's to the opposing pitcher.

Hey, I was rooting for the Rockies...can't blame me for thinking Peavy was going to be lights out. I'm glad they got in though.

[RuthMayBond]

Really now RMB, just how much have you seen Holliday play?I didn't see the E last night ;) How much have you seen of other LF?

[YOUgodofwalks]

and i really like tbs broadcasting, maybe they can take over fox? i can only dream.

Play by play done by NESN's own Don Orsillo, usually pretty solid.

And Congrats Rockies! I'm rooting for you all the way to the World Series.