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TonyStarks
09-20-2007, 12:19 AM
Scott Boras says, "1B Carlos Pena is not only the best comeback story in baseball this year but also the biggest bargain". And Scott Boras, said how the Rays proceed in negotitating a long-term deal will be a reflection of ownership’s commitment to winning.

“Carlos Pena is the greatest player to ever put on a Devil Ray uniform,” Boras said at Angel Stadium before Monday’s game. “This will be kind of a litmus test for ownership. He’s a complete player. He’s a young player. We’ll certainly listen to what they have to say, if they want to say anything. …
“I think they got more than a $10-million benefit this year by getting a player who had probably a $15-million season for about $1.2-million, and good for them. They made the right decision, someone else made the wrong decision.”

The Rays did get a lot — 40 homers and a run at the team record of 117 RBIs — for an $800,000 salary and $400,000 in incentives. They control Pena’s rights for two more years, at arbitration-driven salaries, and could wait to see if he can maintain his level of play before making an extended commitment. But Pena, 29, has said repeatedly how much he wants to stay with them, and the Rays are believed to have already initiated discussions on a three- or four-year deal.

Boras said Pena has had “one of the top five seasons” in the majors and, along with his presence in the clubhouse and community, can be “a franchise-type” player — similar to what David Ortiz became in Boston after being let go by Minnesota — and obviously deserves to be paid accordingly. Boras also said they will be “patient” and do what’s best for Pena and is curious to see what happens.

“There’s no evidence to suggest that Tampa’s ever committed that kind of dollars to a premium player, and we’ll just wait and see if it’s in their framework to do it,” Boras said.
“And I’m sure their fans are waiting to see that, too, knowing also that Tampa Bay is one of the most successful economic franchises in the sense that their payroll is so low (about $25-million) and they’re generating probably $140-million worth of gross revenues. When you count revenue sharing, the national TV package and licensing you’re almost talking about $80-million before they even sell a ticket.”

http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2007/09/pena-a-15-milli.html

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Now I don't dispute Pena's season, but for Boras to say he's "the greatest player to put on a D'Rays uniform" is a bit of a stretch. Wade Boggs did play for this franchise...as did Fred McGriff.

And as good a season as Pena is having, he's not having one of the Top 5 Seasons this year. (ARod, Maggs, Ichiro, Fielder, Miguel Cabrera, Peavy, Brad Penny, Brandon Webb, Fausto Carmona, Granderson would all have something to say about that.)

But I do agree with him when he says that if Tampa is serious about winning, then Pena needs to get a long term deal....but if I'm Tampa I goto Arbitration for 2 years then try to bang out that extension.

Utility07
09-20-2007, 12:46 AM
Carl Crawford says hello.

Captain Cold Nose
09-20-2007, 05:24 AM
Does Boras remember why Pena was only making $1.2 this year, including incentives? Or did the past few years of unfulfilled promise for a number of teams become forgotten for finally having a good year?

PVNICK
09-20-2007, 06:19 AM
Boras is not interested in facts, only in getting as much money as possible for himself and by osmosis his client. Why do newspaper writers perpetually quote these clowns anyway? They don't play. It practically makes my skin crawl to read quotes from agents about players and worse when they talk about slumps or shall we say "technical" aspects of the game.

plask_stirlac
09-20-2007, 09:04 AM
BS alert.

Nothing against Pena and his fabulous year... but if you're paying $15M for it, that's a stretch.

Also, complete player? Then he compares him to DH Ortiz. Sizemore is a complete player.

GiambiJuice
09-20-2007, 09:15 AM
I wonder what Boras said about Adrian Beltre after the 2004 season.

...and J.D. Drew after last year.

He does a good job at making the most money for his clients, but his overzealous pimping shouldn't be taken seriously.

Knick9
09-20-2007, 09:36 AM
get paid big money = you struggle for the next season

Way to go, Scott...this sounds like crap to me, too.

PVNICK
09-20-2007, 10:27 AM
I wonder what Boras said about Adrian Beltre after the 2004 season.

...and J.D. Drew after last year.

He does a good job at making the most money for his clients, but his overzealous pimping shouldn't be taken seriously.
I wonder what he's going to say about Andruw Jones who I thought I heard was his client.

jwkfs
09-20-2007, 10:35 AM
I wonder what he's going to say about Andruw Jones who I thought I heard was his client.

Boras is pretty capable when it comes to speaking out of both sides of his mouth at once:
When a player has a good contract year, he has instantly become worth tons of money.
When a player has a bad contract year, oh, well, you need to look at his entire body of work. The guy is a bona fide star and deserves a massive contract.

sturg1dj
09-20-2007, 11:13 AM
I watched Pena for a long time and I will have to say he is not a pressure performer. This season was perfect for him since he wasn't expected to do anything and was on a terrible team.

He's used to being on terrible teams (the Tigers) but when he was there he was supposed to be the next great thing....not a .240 hitter

I think if he went back to the Tigers he would be better since he wouldn't have as much pressure on him.

Captain Cold Nose
09-20-2007, 12:25 PM
I watched Pena for a long time and I will have to say he is not a pressure performer. This season was perfect for him since he wasn't expected to do anything and was on a terrible team.

He's used to being on terrible teams (the Tigers) but when he was there he was supposed to be the next great thing....not a .240 hitter

I think if he went back to the Tigers he would be better since he wouldn't have as much pressure on him.

If he gets the kind of contract Boras is going to ask for, he'll get plenty of it.

KCGHOST
09-20-2007, 12:53 PM
Pena has had a fine year (arguably the best in D'Ray history) but he is not young (he'll be 30 next year). I think the worse time to offer a long term contract is when a veteran player has a "spike-up" season. And Pena brings no complimentary skills (speed or defense) to the table. Just take your lumps in arbitration and live with it but don't offer this guy a long term deal.

When a veteran player is angling for a long term contract and he says "he'd like to stay" it is simply code for "I have an agent who is advising me to be courteous, but I am only staying if you offer me the most money".

PVNICK
09-20-2007, 12:59 PM
Actually from the very little I saw he had a decent glove. Of course six games and Michael Kay's commentary are not the be all and end all.

TonyStarks
09-20-2007, 01:00 PM
I watched Pena for a long time and I will have to say he is not a pressure performer. This season was perfect for him since he wasn't expected to do anything and was on a terrible team.

He's used to being on terrible teams (the Tigers) but when he was there he was supposed to be the next great thing....not a .240 hitter

I think if he went back to the Tigers he would be better since he wouldn't have as much pressure on him.

I think that was the problem with Pena. He probabaly heard the whispers that he was supposed to be an instant star. Didn't the same thing happen with Adrian Gonzalez who's now in San Diego?

He was traded and traded a few times before finally landing in San Diego and putting up the numbers he's doing now. I think he was drafted by the Marlins and supposed to be the next big thing. Supposed to.

plask_stirlac
09-20-2007, 07:32 PM
Exactly, no offense to Carlos but he did it in a pressure-devoid environment. If he goes .260-4 HR-15 RBI for a month, nobody bats an eyelash. For the Rays, that's fine and dandy. In fact your job is probably even more secure since a) you were healthy and b) had some pop, about 24 HR/162. Then if he hits .310-10-27 the next month, wow he's hitting .285 and on pace for about 42 HR and 120 RBI! Sign him for $60M/4!

For Ortiz or A-Rod in that first month, they get lambasted for coming up small.

I love how Boras says all those things, it would funny if tongue-in-cheek. He has shown power and on-base, that it. Sell that, it sells. One year. No, he is far from a complete player, nor is he proven (well, he can hit homers). That doesn't constitute something the franchise can really build around to be elite! Carlos Pena at his best and a fair supporting cast is not a good team. He isn't exactly a household name or relied-upon guy. Most fans won't know him, a few will clamor for that "Carlos Pina" guy in Tampa Bay