View Full Version : Panic in the Streets of Boston
geezer
09-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Its time to press the panic button right now in Boston, because the Red Sox got beaten up today by the Blue Jays 6-1, and the Yankees won today 2-1, and they cut the division lead to a game and a half, from 14 and a half a couple of months ago, looks like the Sox are fading, and their offense is in a hiatus.
Do you think the Yankees will catch up the Red Sox for the division title?
Westlake
09-19-2007, 09:10 PM
I'm not pushing any button. I'd be "panicked' if we weren't making the playoffs. I've never seen such a big deal made about a team that is still going to make the playoffs.
By the way, a couple months ago the Sox were up 6 1/2 in the division, not 14 1/2.
geezer
09-19-2007, 09:18 PM
But its not the same winning the division than the Wild Card.
ChrisLDuncan
09-19-2007, 09:21 PM
Their lead is a game and a half, it's now the Yanks turn to face the Blue Jays. The Jays have a good staff. They have to face Halladay, Marcum, and McGowan. Whereas the Red Sox face Kazmir (but they have Beckett going), Andy Sonnsantine, and Edwin Jackson. The Yankees have to make up a game and a half with in ten days or so. So the Sox could gain a few games on the Yanks with in the next series.
John Shoemaker
09-19-2007, 09:40 PM
The Blue Jays aslo have Frank Thomas.
Westlake
09-19-2007, 09:43 PM
But its not the same winning the division than the Wild Card.
Well no, since they are two different words, but the end result is essentially the same. I'm not panicked over little differences.
Ytown Tribe fan
09-19-2007, 10:08 PM
"I play for the Red Sox."
Here in Boston? I didn't know they still had a team!
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!"
I guess Terry Francona isn't such a great manager after all. I'd love to see them choke so everyone see that he's not so great after all.
Doctor Zizmor
09-20-2007, 07:55 AM
I'm not pushing any button. I'd be "panicked' if we weren't making the playoffs. I've never seen such a big deal made about a team that is still going to make the playoffs.
By the way, a couple months ago the Sox were up 6 1/2 in the division, not 14 1/2.the Twins did the same thing last year with the Tigers and it was a big deal
John Shoemaker
09-20-2007, 08:18 AM
IMO the only panic the Red Sox fans should feel is if Manny cannot get back to playing regularly. Without him IMO they won't win the AL East and they won't go very far in the playoffs either. With him healthy they could win the World Series.
Doctor Zizmor
09-20-2007, 08:39 AM
IMO the only panic the Red Sox fans should feel is if Manny cannot get back to playing regularly. Without him IMO they won't win the AL East and they won't go very far in the playoffs either. With him healthy they could win the World Series.
Manny wasnt really playing that well when he was healthy so Im not sure about this statement. Does he help them? Absolutely, but I wouldnt count on him being a savior, he's had a very down year
plask_stirlac
09-20-2007, 08:58 AM
the Twins did the same thing last year with the Tigers and it was a big deal
Then they won 7 of 8 and won the AL.
Erik Bedard
09-20-2007, 09:48 AM
the Twins did the same thing last year with the Tigers and it was a big deal
I didn't really notice, and I definitely didn't care. I'd be concerned if this was for the WC, though.
SHOELESSJOE3
09-20-2007, 11:32 AM
I'm a Yankee fan and I would like to see them overtake the Bosox simply for the fact that so many fans, so many sports writers said impossible. Some even saying the Yanks were playing so terrible the wild card was out of reach, when will these guys ever learn. Whether they do or not I would bet most of the talkers never thought they would be 1 1/2 games out at this point.
Getting to the theme here, should the Red Sox push the panic button. Even though a Yankee fan I see any reason for the Bosox to panic. If knocked off still the wild card They are still in front, maybe only 1 1/2 games but still they are in the lead.
The slipping team in the lead is often seen as about to panic. I don't see it that way, they are still in the lead.
sturg1dj
09-20-2007, 11:46 AM
But its not the same winning the division than the Wild Card.
i hear what you are saying, but I must point out....last season the Tigers did exactly what the Sox are doing and still made the World Series.....and in 2004 the Sox were the wildcard winners and won the series....so I would say it doesn't matter
Mike D.
09-20-2007, 11:48 AM
I guess Terry Francona isn't such a great manager after all. I'd love to see them choke so everyone see that he's not so great after all.
Most of the issues of late have been bullpen emplosions from guys who have been lights out all year (Papelbon, Okajima, Gagne). Can you really blame that on the manager? I mean, it's not like he stopped saying "get guys out" and started saying "how about you give up four runs this inning".
Westlake
09-20-2007, 11:55 AM
Yes, this was Boston last night...
http://www.albany.edu/jmmh/vol1no1/CHICAGOFIRE1871.jpg
Also, dont try and argue with Philly fans about Francona, they want to see almost everyone that leaves Philly fail.
KCGHOST
09-20-2007, 11:58 AM
For some reason the Red Sox installed a screen door on their submarine.
Old Sweater
09-20-2007, 12:25 PM
Wild card is fine but I think that the Yankees would like to make it 10 straight division titles and Boston would love to end it. Sorta embarrassing waving a wild card pennant in the playoffs.
TonyK
09-20-2007, 05:35 PM
My pre-season prediction that they would finish in a first place tie with NY is looking like it might come true. I should have predicted Boston would win the division by one game.
SHOELESSJOE3
09-20-2007, 06:18 PM
My pre-season prediction that they would finish in a first place tie with NY is looking like it might come true. I should have predicted Boston would win the division by one game.
Please............. come on Tony nobody can really predict a tie.... what is this Miss Cleo. First place it's not a tie yet and if it ends up that way, it's just your shot in the dark. Your expecting me to believe that some how you knew that it would be a tie.
Predict a tie over a 162 game season.......... stop it your killing me.
Seattle1
09-20-2007, 07:08 PM
The Red Coats are coming! The Red Coats are coming!
Westlake
09-20-2007, 09:09 PM
Please............. come on Tony nobody can really predict a tie.... what is this Miss Cleo. First place it's not a tie yet and if it ends up that way, it's just your shot in the dark. Your expecting me to believe that some how you knew that it would be a tie.
Predict a tie over a 162 game season.......... stop it your killing me.
Dude, why cant he make a prediction? Whats the difference between guessing a tie and guessing that either team will win by 2 games?
redoct11
09-21-2007, 05:40 AM
I'm a Yankee fan and I would like to see them overtake the Bosox simply for the fact that so many fans, so many sports writers said impossible. Some even saying the Yanks were playing so terrible the wild card was out of reach, when will these guys ever learn. Whether they do or not I would bet most of the talkers never thought they would be 1 1/2 games out at this point.
Getting to the theme here, should the Red Sox push the panic button. Even though a Yankee fan I see any reason for the Bosox to panic. If knocked off still the wild card They are still in front, maybe only 1 1/2 games but still they are in the lead.
The slipping team in the lead is often seen as about to panic. I don't see it that way, they are still in the lead.
Extrapolating is fallacious forecasting my friend. I'm sure you shoed in Atlanta last year for the NL East while disregarding how stacked the Mets were.
TonyK
09-21-2007, 06:37 AM
Please............. come on Tony nobody can really predict a tie.... what is this Miss Cleo. First place it's not a tie yet and if it ends up that way, it's just your shot in the dark. Your expecting me to believe that some how you knew that it would be a tie.
Predict a tie over a 162 game season.......... stop it your killing me.
I felt on paper the two teams were evenly matched. In the Red Sox forum in April my prediction was both teams would win 93 games each. It looks like both teams will top 93 wins so I'm wrong about that. Two years ago they finished in a tie and NY won the Division because of their head to head I think. It could happen again.
BoofBonser26
09-21-2007, 07:46 AM
Hey, guess what - you're both making the playoffs, no matter what! It's just bragging rights. Wild cards have done better in the playoffs anyway. Maybe you want to be one. :laugh
redoct11
09-21-2007, 09:59 AM
Hey, guess what - you're both making the playoffs, no matter what! It's just bragging rights. Wild cards have done better in the playoffs anyway. Maybe you want to be one. :laugh
That's only true when compared to the #2 and 3 seeds. However, the only seed that has truly dominated in the postseason is the #1 seed. Here are the following win totals for the wild cards year by year:
1995: 79
1996: 88
1997: 96
1998: 92
1999: 94
2000: 91
2001: 102
2002: 99
2003: 95
2004: 98
2005: 95
2006: 95
Average Wins: 93.66
Also, dont try and argue with Philly fans about Francona, they want to see almost everyone that leaves Philly fail.
Actually not true. He got the credit he deserved but like most managers he's only as good as his players. But it's also sickening listening to national broadcasters kiss up to Francona by talking about how rough he had it in Philly. Every manager in every city, especially on the East Coast, is criticized when the team doesn't win. If he chokes this year, I guess we won't have to hear about how much of a genius he is & how Philly fans got it wrong.
SHOELESSJOE3
09-21-2007, 12:36 PM
Extrapolating is fallacious forecasting my friend. I'm sure you shoed in Atlanta last year for the NL East while disregarding how stacked the Mets were.
The truth, no I did not. The main theme of my post was although the Bosox are floundering there is no need to panic. They are still in the lead no matter what took place with them and the Yanks the last few weeks.
And may I remind, I am a Yankee fan. I certainly believe the Bosox would like to look stronger near the end but it means nothing.
If I recall I think it was the 2000 season when the Yanks lost 15 of the last 18 games, went through the playoffs and won the World Series.
plask_stirlac
09-21-2007, 12:41 PM
Panic on the streets of Boston,
Panic on the streets of Providence
I wonder to myself
SHOELESSJOE3
09-21-2007, 12:42 PM
Dude, why cant he make a prediction? Whats the difference between guessing a tie and guessing that either team will win by 2 games?
Guessing yes predicting............never. That sure, go down to Vegas and make out on any prediction. How about an educated guess, I'll buy that.
Westlake
09-21-2007, 12:50 PM
Actually not true.. If he chokes this year, I guess we won't have to hear about how much of a genius he is & how Philly fans got it wrong.
So, how was what I said not true? Unless you're saying you don't care about hearing it.
redoct11
09-21-2007, 01:17 PM
The truth, no I did not. The main theme of my post was although the Bosox are floundering there is no need to panic. They are still in the lead no matter what took place with them and the Yanks the last few weeks.
And may I remind, I am a Yankee fan. I certainly believe the Bosox would like to look stronger near the end but it means nothing.
If I recall I think it was the 2000 season when the Yanks lost 15 of the last 18 games, went through the playoffs and won the World Series.
They lost 13 of their last 15.
BoofBonser26
09-21-2007, 05:23 PM
That's only true when compared to the #2 and 3 seeds. However, the only seed that has truly dominated in the postseason is the #1 seed. Here are the following win totals for the wild cards year by year:
1995: 79
1996: 88
1997: 96
1998: 92
1999: 94
2000: 91
2001: 102
2002: 99
2003: 95
2004: 98
2005: 95
2006: 95
Average Wins: 93.66
Regular season is nothing.
WS Wildcard Champs of late
2006 Cardinals
2004 Red Sox
2003 Marlins
2002 Angels
TonyK
09-21-2007, 06:03 PM
Guessing yes predicting............never. That sure, go down to Vegas and make out on any prediction. How about an educated guess, I'll buy that.
Remember you are making an "educated guess" next March or April as to how many wins your Yankees will have next season. I'm sure another Red Sox supporter has their final win totals closer than mine.
These two teams have been #1 and #2 for how many straight seasons before 2006? That is bound to change in the next few years so we should enjoy it while we can.
Westlake
09-21-2007, 07:31 PM
redoct, whats your point? that the #1 seed does the best in the playoffs? thats like saying the following "the best team in the regular season historically has done the best in the playoffs" -- ok, can we file that under 'duh' and move on?
So, how was what I said not true? Unless you're saying you don't care about hearing it.
What's your point?
Ytown Tribe fan
09-22-2007, 01:10 AM
redoct, whats your point? that the #1 seed does the best in the playoffs? thats like saying the following "the best team in the regular season historically has done the best in the playoffs" -- ok, can we file that under 'duh' and move on?
Take a look at postseason results since 1994. In the NL, the team with the best record has done the best in the playoffs 4 out of 12 times; in the AL, 5 out of 12 times.
That is slightly better than random, which would be 3 out of 12 times, given 4 playoff teams in each league each year.
From 1982 through 1993: in the NL, the best team has won the pennant 5 out of 12 times; in the AL, 9 out of 12 times (counting one tie).
Again, that is overall slightly better than random, given 2 playoff teams in each league each year.
SHOELESSJOE3
09-22-2007, 06:35 AM
Remember you are making an "educated guess" next March or April as to how many wins your Yankees will have next season. I'm sure another Red Sox supporter has their final win totals closer than mine.
These two teams have been #1 and #2 for how many straight seasons before 2006? That is bound to change in the next few years so we should enjoy it while we can.
I have never... ever in my life even attempted the impossible, to predict to foresee any event happening as I say it will in the future...... not even the next day. It's impossible, by anyone.
Have I ever said a team might be favored yes, that as far as I can go.
Don't mind me, I think I may have blown this one out of proportion.