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Sean O
09-17-2007, 10:53 AM
Abandoning the questions of style, designer, team, wall dimensions and heights, site plan, financing, and the myriad other factors that complicate the situation, there are simple requirements that a new baseball park must meet in the early 21st century. To borrow a phrase from one of Christopher Alexander’s brilliant books, this is a simple “pattern language” for ballpark design.

Within this section, I am ignoring the limitless variations possible when it comes to design, and largely ignores the amenities and aesthetics which makes each park unique. There are many different ways I would approach solving these issues, but everything must begin with solving those fundamental problems that have plagued stadiums for decades.

Requirements:
First, we should consider those who spend the greatest amount of time viewing the park itself: that is the fan at home. When watching a game at the Metrodome, the viewer sees a high wall with a cutout window and an air vent. This immediately creates a separation between the ballpark and the person at home, as we cannot subconsciously picture ourselves at the game. Thus, seating must be located at or slightly above field level behind the plate.

Conversely, in the outfield, many older ballparks (The circle clones, Kingdome, Metrodome, etc) had retractable seating, necessitating large, high walls that both distanced fans from the action and created an unsightly dead space in a highly visible area of the park. One of the benefits of the recent stadium boom was the return of reasonable wall heights, after years of awkward retracted seats. Fans can sense the temporary nature of this arrangement, and it only serves to lessen the appeal of the park. Any high wall must be offset by an aesthetic or functional element, such as a permanent scoreboard, or high walls should be abandoned altogether. This also includes a creative solution for the batter’s eye, instead of simply blocking off seating.

This segues nicely into the seating questions themselves. There are two main arrangements for foul ground seating: The Angel Stadium arrangement where seats extend in a straight line from the backstop to the foul pole, and the HoK method of highly angling the entire seating structure, most notably in The Ballpark at Arlington. There are benefits and disadvantages to each, but sightlines must be considered.

If you design the former, the seating bowl towards the foul pole will be facing center field instead of home plate. In this case, seats must be individually angled towards the plate to enhance the comfort of the guests. For the HoK method, the seating bowl cannot be angled too highly towards the infield, as fans miss out on an entire section of the ballpark deep into the corners. The right field at Arlington is so high that anyone sitting in the infield simply cannot see the corner, while it is unsightly to see a giant wall casting shadows over that corner of the park.

Seating sections, particularly those in the upper deck, must be able to view at least 90% of the field. Yankee Stadium’s upper deck provides the most telling example, as the corners are “pinched” in the corners, thus blocking a sizable portion of the field. The Green Monster seats, by necessity, also block out the majority of left field due to the wall’s height, a problem that should not arise in any new purpose-built ballpark.

For individual seating sections themselves, there are questions of egress and comfort. Rows should not be longer than 60’, roughly 20 seats, as it is uncomfortable for everyone to climb back into the row after a trip to the concourses. In reaching the concourses, there should be multiple access and exit points, so guests are not forced to all head the same way after the conclusion of a game. This goes both for a section-by-section case and for the park itself, as there must be multiple ways to reach the concourses, and then multiple ways to exit the venue itself.

Concourses, clearly, must all be wide enough to comfortably handle the attendance, and the same goes for concessions and bathroom capacity. Additionally, concessions should be as evenly distributed across the park as possible. Guests should not have to trek from their upper deck seat in left field down to a specific stand deep in the right field corner for a specific type of food. This economically benefits the clubs, as the increased access better entices potential buyers.

All ballparks should offer complete access to all public areas. Until the purchase by the new owners, fans in the bleachers at Fenway could not walk around the rest of the park. Yankee Stadium bleacher tickets do not include Monument Park, and are barred from the remainder of the stadium. Fans should be able to walk completely around the park, unless there is a specific logistical obstruction. Apart from Fenway Park’s Green Monster, there should be no reason fans cannot walk 360º around the field, so as to better appreciate the park from all angles, and so fans may better orient themselves to their surroundings.

The design should provide ample space away from individual seats for fans to visit during the game. HoK has done a good job of ringing the seating bowls with standing sections where you can eat while watching the game, as this greatly enhances the feeling of freedom while in the park.

Scoreboards must be visible from every seat in the park, and must include every necessary piece of information. At certain parks, like US Cellular Field, the pitch count is only located in one place, making it impossible to view from certain sections. Likewise, important details such as OBP and SLG should be routinely shown around the park, not simply on the largest scoreboard.

These are but simple, basic requirements for a contemporary ballpark. The variations, and my own specifications on what each part should instead of must have, are where the design truly becomes interesting. This is not a comprehensive list, but it should act as a good base for future installments. In the end, hopefully we can have a park that addresses everyone’s needs better than that of the current crop of ballparks.

Lafferty Daniel
09-19-2007, 12:00 AM
This article is too bossy. I wish to rebel.

PeteU
09-19-2007, 11:20 AM
I would add that the ballpark has to be built for baseball first. There hasn't been a multipurpose stadium built since the SkyDome opened in 1989. (Well, technically Dolphin Stadium opened for the Marlins in 1993, but it was built in 1987.)

That seems to be part of the current baseball paradigm.

Gary Dunaier
09-19-2007, 01:17 PM
Dolphin Stadium opened for the Marlins in 1993, but it was built in 1987.
Was it built with the idea that baseball would eventually be played there, or did that come as an afterthought?

marlins739
09-19-2007, 01:55 PM
Was it built with the idea that baseball would eventually be played there, or did that come as an afterthought?

Dolphin Stadium was built for football, but Joe Robbie did build it wider than it needed to be for football so a hypothetical expansion baseball team could be easily accomodated. Other than the size of the playing field, it's a football stadium. The retractable seats in left field, baseball press box, dugouts, baseball lights, and hydraulic mound weren't installed until before the 1993 season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_Stadium#Renovations_for_the_Florida_Marlin s

Richmond Hill Phoenix
09-19-2007, 02:24 PM
Great article. I must say that I agree. Especaially with the part about high walls. In the Skydome, the OF seats are about 15 feet removed from the wall, making the wall look temporary (which it in fact is, since they need to be able to have football and concerts there as well). I kind of wish that they could make it so that the seats come right up to the wall. Maybe some type of extension?

PeteU
09-19-2007, 02:49 PM
Dolphin Stadium was built for football, but Joe Robbie did build it wider than it needed to be for football so a hypothetical expansion baseball team could be easily accomodated. Other than the size of the playing field, it's a football stadium. The retractable seats in left field, baseball press box, dugouts, baseball lights, and hydraulic mound weren't installed until before the 1993 season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_Stadium#Renovations_for_the_Florida_Marlin s

In fact, in 1988 Joe Robbie Stadium did host an exhibition game where the Orioles played the Dodgers. The game was played in the football configuration, and left field was only 272 feet away! I believe they had a 15 foot temporary fence put up to try to compensate.

I've searched in vain to try and find pictures of baseball exhibition games at Dolphins/Joe Robbie Stadium prior to the Marlins, but unfortunately finding such a picture is like searching for the Holy Grail. Oh well.

Yoda
05-27-2008, 08:30 PM
This article is too bossy. I wish to rebel.

Fall in line, soldier.

Sean O
05-27-2008, 09:45 PM
Fall in line, soldier.

So, are you ever going to post your own thoughts on ballparks, or are you just going to un-constructively criticize anything people post?

Yoda
05-27-2008, 09:51 PM
I agree with your thoughts, especially on the scoreboard.

At USCF you have to look all over the place and actually I have no clue where to see what the official scoring is on a play.

cgcoyne2
05-27-2008, 09:59 PM
I agree with your assessment. An excellent essay.:clapping

Sean O
05-27-2008, 10:05 PM
deleted, nothing to see here.

btown12
05-28-2008, 03:23 PM
Don't get me wrong SeanO, I agree with a majority of the things you mentioned, but if this were how every ballpark were built, wouldn't we once again fall into an era of "cookie cutter" ballparks? Not meaning the large circular bowls obviously, but many stadiums that look incredibly similar to the casual observer? Most of us on here don't like how most of the new parks fall into the same habits and a similar "pattern" would tend to produce similar ballparks, no?

Regarding the scoreboard issue, my Sunday tickets at Citizens Bank Park have a very obstructed view of the scoreboard (can only see the bottom portion of the video board because of the upper level overhang, have to get info from auxilary boards, etc...). However, I never get rained on and when it's 95 degrees in July, I'm in the shade. Do I wish I could see the scoreboard? Yes. Would I trade a view of the scoreboard to sit in the sun and rain? No.

Sean O
05-28-2008, 05:45 PM
Don't get me wrong SeanO, I agree with a majority of the things you mentioned, but if this were how every ballpark were built, wouldn't we once again fall into an era of "cookie cutter" ballparks? Not meaning the large circular bowls obviously, but many stadiums that look incredibly similar to the casual observer? Most of us on here don't like how most of the new parks fall into the same habits and a similar "pattern" would tend to produce similar ballparks, no?


See, that's the thing, it really wouldn't. HOK isn't considered repetitive because they've barely changed anything about their seating bowl in 15 years (essentially, the only difference is the concourse being moved above the lower seating bowl all the way around as opposed to Camden's). They're considered repetitive because they keep building the same faux-retro park again and again with the bricks and green steel in slightly different positions.

This is a functionalist blueprint of how to make sure that every single person attending a game gets to see every single moment unobstructed. It says nothing of the aesthetic treatment, or the placement of outfield seating, or whether a park need be symmetrical or not. Instead, it removes the negative factors (fans unable to view balls hit into the corners, fans not having enough access to information, etc) while maintaining absolute freedom of design.



Regarding the scoreboard issue, my Sunday tickets at Citizens Bank Park have a very obstructed view of the scoreboard (can only see the bottom portion of the video board because of the upper level overhang, have to get info from auxilary boards, etc...). However, I never get rained on and when it's 95 degrees in July, I'm in the shade. Do I wish I could see the scoreboard? Yes. Would I trade a view of the scoreboard to sit in the sun and rain? No.

I know exactly what you're talking about, because CBP is actually one of my favorites. Now, what is keeping the Phillies from having plasma screens attached to the overhanging club level so you can see all the important information? I know I'm not the only person who, while walking around the park during an inning, has had to crane his neck to see the count or a replay of what just happened. There's no reason why these should be limited to the luxury boxes, and between-inning ads would easily recoup the cost of the screens.

Not everything involves a sacrifice. Just because HOK (and teams unwilling to try new things) has decided what it wants from a ballpark doesn't mean it's the only solution. But if you're sitting by first base at Ameriquest, there's no reason why the RF line should be hidden from you.

Lafferty Daniel
05-29-2008, 11:13 AM
See, that's the thing, it really wouldn't. HOK isn't considered repetitive because they've barely changed anything about their seating bowl in 15 years (essentially, the only difference is the concourse being moved above the lower seating bowl all the way around as opposed to Camden's). They're considered repetitive because they keep building the same faux-retro park again and again with the bricks and green steel in slightly different positions.



Okay, I'm not trying to defend HoK, but it appears that the pseudo-retro movement is dying. Say what you will about the designs of the Nationals Park, the new Twins park, and the new Rays, one thing for sure is they abandoned the brick and green steel trend. And with the exception of the main grandstand at the new Twins park, you have to admit it's a unique, modern ballpark that uses technology more than most American stadiums. Solar panals will eventually generate energy on the canopy, water will be re-used for the field, easy access to light rails, trains, buses and even a bike trail. The concourse will also be heated using energy from the neighboring HERC plant. They're also talking with Cisco to develop personal monitors for fans to order concessions and what not. It really feels like there is a new movement going on with the Twins park.

btown12
05-29-2008, 11:44 AM
Now, what is keeping the Phillies from having plasma screens attached to the overhanging club level so you can see all the important information? I know I'm not the only person who, while walking around the park during an inning, has had to crane his neck to see the count or a replay of what just happened. There's no reason why these should be limited to the luxury boxes, and between-inning ads would easily recoup the cost of the screens.

In my case, the upper level seating hangs far enough down to block the scoreboard, but not far enough down where hanging a TV would make sense. In other words, because the seating cuts back towards the foul pole in LF, that's what blocks the scoreboard more so than it hanging too low. If they hung TVs there, I would basically have to look straight up to see it and would still be looking at the bottom of a box, not the screen.

However, if you are on the lower level on the 3B side at CBP, the suite level hangs down and blocks the scoreboard....but since the overhang is low enough, there are TV's hung there for the fans in the last few rows (which weren't there when the park first opened).

I will say this...the Phils have actually been very good about fixing any problem spots in the park. When it first opened it was very hard to find all the info if you couldn't see the main scoreboard. Now, with certain stats/scores/etc... moved to different boards, the TVs added on the lower level 3B side, and two extra LED boards (new this year) hung down the lines from the suite level, it's much easier to find whatever you're looking for. Either way though, the most important action is still on the field!