3.1 Ip 8h 7er 2bb 1k

[Doctor Zizmor]

Thats Mussina's line for tonight

[Waitinfor27]

Thats Mussina's line for tonight


And how might you know this? Did you somehow build a time machine? And if so, can you find out who wins the World Series this year?

Don't assume anything.

[Doctor Zizmor]

And how might you know this? Did you somehow build a time machine? And if so, can you find out who wins the World Series this year?

Don't assume anything.
Dionne Warwick told me

[Yankwood]

Thats Mussina's line for tonightThat might be optimistic although I hope I'm wrong.

[TonyStarks]

Thats Mussina's line for tonight

Well...at least you got him getting out of the 2nd inning. :laugh

[Mattingly]

So if Moose pitches at least 6 innings tonight, will you post a new thread saying that you were wrong?

[Doctor Zizmor]

So if Moose pitches at least 6 innings tonight, will you post a new thread saying that you were wrong?
no, Ill post in this one that I was wrong

[joek7]

Alot may be riding on this game for Mussina. Some of which may be, another start this year, post season use other than mop up, and his career as a YANKEE. If he does not come up big tonight, I think he should pack it in.

[Mattingly]

no, Ill post in this one that I was wrong
*Predicts in advance that DZ will be very, very wrong tonight, will beg Moose sincerely for his apologies*

:D ;) :p

Alot may be riding on this game for Mussina. Some of which may be, another start this year, post season use other than mop up, and his career as a YANKEE. If he does not come up big tonight, I think he should pack it in.
Unless he retires, next season is guaranteed, per a $23m/2-yr deal. I doubt he's so bad that he'll walk away totally.

[Doctor Zizmor]

Ive suggested they try and trade him to the Phillies? He's a Pennsylvania guy so maybe he'd be willing to go there. Plus its the NL, which is like the fountain of youth for old, washed up AL pitchers....then again that philly ball park is a band box, but still....the Phillies need pitching really, really badly.

[Westlake]

Unless he gives up 7 runs before he gets the next batter out, you're wrong.

[Scartissue]

It's hard to bet on or against these aging pitchers that were once very good or great. They'll still give you stretches where they look like their old selves, and yet get spanked for a stretch.

The Professor is having another one of those years as well. For a 3 game stretch this year, he gave up 6 runs in 6.1 innings, 5 runs in 5 innings, and 4 runs in 4 innings. Then recently, he goes on a streak of 38 innings giving up only 8 runs in that span (for an ERA below 2), winning 5 games and getting a ND on another.

Mussina's not having as good of a year as Maddux obviously, but Maddux in the last few years has had a number of rocky patches as well. I expect Mussina in general to pitch like someone who should be around .500 this year and next. Not very good for someone getting paid what he's getting paid, but at least useful. Most teams would happy with .500 ball out of a 4/5 pitcher (just not at his salary). This is when you really appreciate the cheap years you'll get from Hughes, Kennedy and Chamberlain.

[Urbanshocker13]

Thats Mussina's line for tonight

Well, Your name is Doctor Zizmor not Nostradamus :D

[Mattingly]

Hmmmmmmmmm, when exactly does Dr Quack come back here and admit that he/she was wrong? :D ;) :p

Moose's line tonight:

5.2 IP; PC = 87; 5 H; 0 R; 0 ER; 3 BB; 1 K

So his BB:K ratio stunk at 3:1. Other than that, he must've lasted about 3 times as long as in his last start.

Didn't I tell you people all along that Moose wasn't cooked, that you didn't need to stick a fork in him? Just give him some rest and limit his innings.

Oh yeah, Suzyn was on a Jewish Holiday off (Rosh Hashanah), so the Post's Joel Sherman took over doing color work. He'd mentioned, after Sterling's question, that Moose, like other vet pitchers, needs to stop trying to be the Moose of yore, but adapt to what he is now. If his heat can't hit 91-95 on the gun, just live with high 80s and work with that.

Now then, should we tar & feather Dr Zizmor? Make him/her profess his/her undying love for Moose's next outing? Let's see.
:gt

[Doctor Zizmor]

I couldnt have been more wrong.....and Im happy about that.

[TonyStarks]

Hmmmmmmmmm, when exactly does Dr Quack come back here and admit that he/she was wrong? :D ;) :p

Moose's line tonight:

5.2 IP; PC = 87; 5 H; 0 R; 0 ER; 3 BB; 1 K

So his BB:K ratio stunk at 3:1. Other than that, he must've lasted about 3 times as long as in his last start.

Didn't I tell you people all along that Moose wasn't cooked, that you didn't need to stick a fork in him? Just give him some rest and limit his innings.

Oh yeah, Suzyn was on a Jewish Holiday off (Rosh Hashanah), so the Post's Joel Sherman took over doing color work. He'd mentioned, after Sterling's question, that Moose, like other vet pitchers, needs to stop trying to be the Moose of yore, but adapt to what he is now. If his heat can't hit 91-95 on the gun, just live with high 80s and work with that.

Now then, should we tar & feather Dr Zizmor? Make him/her profess his/her undying love for Moose's next outing? Let's see.
:gt

Matty,
I think you need to reserve that comment until you see another start or two from Moose.

A broken watch is right twice a day also. :laugh

[Doctor Zizmor]

Im happy he was good last night, but I still have no confidence in him

[mikeymussina35]

Im happy he was good last night, but I still have no confidence in him

Wow that is harsh. First of all that start completely boosted his confidence, and should continue pitching well. If you are a Yankee fan then you would want him to win! :silent: :silent:

[Yankwood]

Wow that is harsh. First of all that start completely boosted his confidence, and should continue pitching well. If you are a Yankee fan then you would want him to win! :silent: :silent:We do want him to win. We just have no confidence in him remaining competent. And in all honesty, a few line drives were snagged that could have resulted in some runs.

[Mattingly]

Matty,
I think you need to reserve that comment until you see another start or two from Moose.

A broken watch is right twice a day also. :laugh
That's fine. So long as between Torre & Guidry, we're talking about a tight leash, even if we make the playoffs, that's fine.

I sometimes don't think that Torre fully "gets this", since in all honesty, I think that Moose should've been given the "Pedro treatment": 5 innings, then out he goes. I think that 6 could've been OK for his next start, but when a pitcher has gone like totally bonkers, you want to baby him like he's a newborn. Get out that pureed food that you've strained it, and make sure it's lukewarm.

Yeah, I'm overdoing myself (once again, anyway), but my thoughts are that under no circumstances should Torre feel that Moose is "A-OK" and can therefore just go back to a heavy workload. For the rest of the 2007 season (including playoffs, if we get there), would I ever have Moose pitch into the 7th inning. He pitches well for 6 innings, shut him down until his next start or throw day, unless there's a dire need for this.

Torre "got it" when he'd realized that Farns' usefulness was only when used in one situation: starting an inning, and for only 1 inning at a time, and then about 1-2 days' rest between appearances. That formula stuck like glue and worked.

While Moose is an SP, not a reliever, I think that if Torre ever gets tempted to go beyond 6 for Moose, it'll be another disaster within his next follow-up 2 starts.

[TonyStarks]

Wow that is harsh. First of all that start completely boosted his confidence, and should continue pitching well. If you are a Yankee fan then you would want him to win! :silent: :silent:

Mikey,
Let's not kid ourselves here. It was one start.
Yes, he pitched well...but I for one just haven't had any confidence in the guy for a long time. He always seems to faulter when needed most.

This last game was a very good stepping stone for Moose, but to be honest...if the Post Season starts tomorrow I don't know if Moose is on that roster.

I'd be VERY scared to give him in a Start in the 1st Rd.
Yanks cannot afford to fall behind in a short series.

[Mariano_Rivera]

For that start he averaged around 90 mph with his FB. I think that his velocity is the important thing with him. If he can keep it up there he might be an effective pitcher. He seemed to tire quickly though.

[Doctor Zizmor]

Im pretty sure Mike Mussina uses FDS

[Mattingly]

Mikey,
Let's not kid ourselves here. It was one start.
Yes, he pitched well...but I for one just haven't had any confidence in the guy for a long time. He always seems to faulter when needed most.

This last game was a very good stepping stone for Moose, but to be honest...if the Post Season starts tomorrow I don't know if Moose is on that roster.

I'd be VERY scared to give him in a Start in the 1st Rd.
Yanks cannot afford to fall behind in a short series.
For the bolded text, how would you have the rotation if we made the playoffs and they began today?

My choices would be:

Wang
Pettitte
Hughes
Clemens (w/Moose as longman, or vice versa)
Kennedy

I figure that so long as Clemens & Moose can go in the pen for one another as long relief, we'd be fine.

In either case, I'd have no qualms in making one of them (the slightly less effective one of the two) the regular longman in the first round, if need be. If we get past that, we can talk about it afterwards.

[TonyStarks]

For the bolded text, how would you have the rotation if we made the playoffs and they began today?

My choices would be:

Wang
Pettitte
Hughes
Clemens (w/Moose as longman, or vice versa)
Kennedy

I figure that so long as Clemens & Moose can go in the pen for one another as long relief, we'd be fine.


In the 1st Round:
Game 1: Wang
Game 2: Pettitte
Game 3: Wang
Game 4: Clemens
Game 5: Pettite

We'd need sure things.
I don't know if I give Hughes/Kennedy a start. I'd keep them in the bullpen for long relief.
I want Wang and Pettitte to get 2 starts each since Wang has been the Yanks best pitcher and Pettitte has been great at stopping losing streaks. I'd throw Clemens in between to give both rests and possibly give Hughes/Kennedy a start depending on what the series is at after 3 games.