BBF HOF voting thread 9/8 - 9/28/07

[jalbright]

Let the voting begin! For anyone who has not participated before, please read the rules posted here

The Rules (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980735&postcount=2)

Please note we have added a new rule. Those players receiving only one ballot in an election may go on to a list from which voters may only vote for a limited number of such candidates. For more details on this rule, please follow the above link to the Rules. For this election, you may not select more than four (4) from this list:


Franco, John*
Kingman, Dave
Maranville, R*
Mathews, Bobby*
McCormick, Jim*
Mullane, Tony*
Pike, Lip
Pinson, Vada*
Stephens, Vern*
Tiernan, Mike
Veach, Bobby*
Youngs, Ross*


For more details on this rule, please consult the link to the Rules above, and to this post: Limited Selection List (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980753&postcount=7)

Also, please note that now ballots as short as seventeen (17) names are now permitted.

Voting in this cycle will end at 11:59:59 pm Eastern Time, September 28, 2007.

Please note that the contributor ballot will not be counted again until November.

Other information of note is who is in the BBF HOF.

BBF HOF membership by category (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980741&postcount=3)

BBF HOF membership listed alphabetically (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980742&postcount=4)

Last month's results are posted. You are requested to pay particular attention to those individuals receiving 50% or more of the vote last month, as they are the most likely candidates to be elected this month. In fact, I have specific posts on players receiving 50% or more of last month's vote:

Last Month's results (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980745&postcount=5)

Those with 50% or more last election (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980767&postcount=9)

I have also posted this with respect to the status of the project:

Project Status (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980749&postcount=6)

Finally, I have posted all the players who have exceeded 50% of the vote at least once without yet being elected

50%+ voting history (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=980776&postcount=10)

[jalbright]

My 9/8 - 9/28/07 ballot

key:
red=Japanese League
blue=Negro Leagues
green=19th century

Eppa Rixey and Joe Start take the place of the elected Frank Grant and Lou Whitaker.

Players

1. Luis Aparicio, ss
2. Charlie Bennett, c
3. Akira Bessho, p (Japan)
4. Ken Boyer, 3b
5. Perucho Cepeda, ss
6. Larry Doyle, 2b
7. Darrell Evans, 3b
8. Jack Glasscock, ss
9. Burleigh Grimes, p
10. Heinie Groh, 3b
11. Kazuhisa Inao p (Japan)
12. Home Run Johnson
13. Bid McPhee, 2B
14. Dobie Moore, ss
15. Hiromitsu Ochiai 1B/3B (Japan)
16. Dan Quisenberry, p
17. Sam Rice, of
18. Eppa Rixey, p
19. Red Ruffing p
20. Hilton Smith, p
21. Joe Start, 1b
22. Bruce Sutter, p
23. George Van Haltren, of
24. Bobby Wallace, ss
25. Vic Willis, p

Anyone who wants more information on these or other players, please see my latest voting guide (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=66490)

[Sockeye]

Luis Aparicio, ss
Jake Beckley, 1b
Charlie Bennett, c
Ken Boyer, 3b
Pete Browning, of
Jose Canseco, of
Perucho Cepeda, ss
Darrell Evans, 3b
Burleigh Grimes, p
Heinie Groh, 3b
Kazuhisa Inao, p
Addie Joss, p
Dave Kingman, 1b
Chuck Klein, of
Fred McGriff, 1b
Dobie Moore, ss
Dan Quisenberry, p
Rafael Palmeiro, 1b
Sam Rice, of
Edd Roush, of
Red Ruffing, p
Hilton Smith, p
George Van Haltren, of
Bobby Wallace, ss
Mickey Welch, p

Perucho Cepeda, Hilton Smith, & George Van Haltren take the place of the elected Ross Barnes, Frank Grant, and Lou Whitaker on my ballot

[Erik Bedard]

Jake Beckley
Charlie Bennett
Akira Bessho
Ken Boyer
Perucho Cepeda
Gavvy Cravath
Larry Doyle
Dwight Evans
Red Faber
Heinie Groh
Kazuhisa Inao
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Tony Oliva
Dickey Pearce
Tony Perez
Lip Pike
Dan Quisenberry
Eppa Rixey
Hilton Smith
Reggie Smith
Joe Start
Bobby Wallace
Jimmy Wynn

Wynn, Doyle, and Beckley join my ballot.

[BlueBlood]

My 9/8/07 - 9/28/07 ballot

key:
red=Japanese League
blue=Negro Leagues
green=19th century

Bid McPhee and Perucho Cepeda replace Ross Barnes/Frank Grant.

1. Jake Beckley, 1b
2. Chief Bender, p
3. Jim Bottomley, 1b
4. Pete Browning, of
5. Perucho Cepeda, ss
6. Kiki Cuyler, of
7. Lefty Gomez, p
8. Kazuhisa Inao, p
9. Addie Joss, p
10. Chuck Klein, of
11. Heinie Manush, of
12. Fred McGriff, 1b
13. Bid McPhee, 2b
14. Lefty O'Doul, of
15. Al Oliver, of
16. Sam Rice, of
17. Edd Roush, of
18. Joe Sewell, ss/3b
19. Hilton Smith, p
20. George Van Haltren, of
21. Larry Walker, of
22. Lloyd Waner, of
23. Vic Willis, p
24. Hack Wilson, of
25. Ross Youngs, of

[Captain Cold Nose]

Luis Aparicio
Jake Beckley
Charlie Bennett
Pete Browning
Bob Caruthers
Kiki Cuyler
Burleigh Grimes
Heinie Groh
Kazuhisa Inao
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Heinie Manush
Fred McGriff
Bid McPhee
Rafael Palmeiro
Tony Perez
Sam Rice
Edd Roush
Jimmy Ryan
Hilton Smith
Lee Smith
Bruce Sutter
George Van Haltren
Bobby Wallace
Mickey Welch

[leecemark]

--With 3 2ndbasemen elected last cycle I'm adding the best available to my ballot - Cupid Childs. Also added are Perucha Cepeda and Hilton Smith. That still leaves 3 open spots if anyone has a favorite they want to try and sell me. I only have 2 outfielders on my ballot, Jim Rice and Edd Rousch, so if I can sort out the best available of the rest, that would be my most likley pool to add from.


Bennett, C.
Boyer, K.
Caruther, B.
Cepeda, P.
Childs, C.
Doyle, L.
Faber, R.
Glasscock, J
Groh, H.
Hernandez, K.
Inao, K
Maranville, R.
McGriff, F
McPhee, B.
Moore, D.
Nettles, G
Rice, J.
Rousch, E
Ruffing, R.
Sewell, J.
Smith, H.
Wallace, B.

[dgarza]

Luis Aparicio
Jake Beckley
Tommy Bond
Pete Browning
Lefty Gomez
Burleigh Grimes
Bob Johnson
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Bobby Mathews
Jim McCormick
Fred McGriff
Bid McPhee
Cal McVey
Tony Mullane
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Al Rosen
Lee Smith
Bobby Veach
Larry Walker
Mickey Welch
Hack Wilson

[Cowtipper]

Luis Aparicio
Jake Beckley
Chief Bender
Bobby Bonds
Jim Bottomley
Kiki Cuyler
Burleigh Grimes
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Heinie Manush
Fred McGriff
Lefty O'Doul
Al Oliver
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Edd Roush
Jimmy Ryan
Lee Smith
Bruce Sutter
George Van Haltren
Larry Walker
Lloyd Waner
Mickey Welch
Hack Wilson

[Freakshow]

Electing the second base trio of Whitaker, Barnes and Grant gives us a total of 210 players elected to the BBFHOF, in our 50th election. Average elections listed on my ballot falls to 13.2, a five-month low. Ken Boyer takes the longevity spot from Whitaker, now 26 times on my ballot, nearly two years I've been voting for him; five others have now been on my ballot for more than a year and a half. The top seven that I think the electorate is missing: 1) Red Faber, 2) Da. Evans, 3) Eppa Rixey, 4) Ken Boyer, 5) Bid McPhee, 6) Bobby Wallace, 7) Jimmy Wynn.

9 Beckley-1B
5 Bennett-C*
26 Boyer K-3B*
1 Caruthers-P*
25 Evans Da.-3B*
13 Evans Dw.-RF*
24 Faber-P
18 Glasscock-SS*
4 Grimes-P
13 Groh-3B*
13 Hernandez-1B*
19 McGriff F-1B*
24 McPhee-2B
2 Moore D-SS*
14 Palmeiro-1B*
2 Pearce D-SS*
17 Perez-1B
21 Rixey-P
12 Roush-CF
22 Ruffing-P
1 Sewell J-SS
1 Start-1B*
3 Van Haltren-CF*
24 Wallace-SS
18 Wynn J-CF*
13.2 ave # of elections on ballot

* = not a member of the Coop HOF
bold = member of the Hall of Merit

[Senor Octobre]

Aparicio, Luis
Bennett, Charlie
Boyer, Ken
Browning, Pete
Cepeda, Perucho
Doyle, Larry
Evans, Dwight
Franco, John
Grimes, Burleigh
Groh, Heinie
Hernandez, Keith
Inao, Kazuhisa
Johnson, Home Run
Lombardi, Ernie
McGriff, Fred
Moore, Dobie
Perez, Tony
Quisenberry, Dan
Rice, Jim
Rice, Sam
Ruffing, Red
Ryan, Jimmy
Smith, Hilton
Sutter, Bruce
Van Haltren, George

[2Chance]

Shoring up the middle infield this time. Larry Doyle, Bid McPhee and Home Run Johnson join the cast of characters on my ballot, along with pitcher Red Faber. How to squeeze four in? I was finally convinced that Pete Browning was a dubious choice.

If someone were to ask if I give more weight to "career" guys or "peak" guys, I would say career. (We've been through this before somewhere, and it's certainly not a hard line.) That's one of the things that impressed me about Grant "Home Run" Johnson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Home_Run_Johnson). He was in my queue somewhere, but rose to the top when I read this at Baseball Library:
Johnson finished his career as a playing manager in Buffalo, retiring at the age of fifty-eight.
How do I call myself a career guy without including him, with everything else he had going for him? A club leader in his 20s, great line drive hitter who moved to second because Pop Lloyd was already at SS, and excelled. I think his sobriquet came in much the same way as Frank "Home Run" Baker's: not so much the number of homers as when he hit them.

Aparicio, Luis
Bennett, Charlie
Bresnahan, Roger
Cepeda, Perucho
Doyle, Larry
Evans, Darrell
Evans, Dwight
Faber, Red
Glasscock, Jack
Grimes, Burleigh
Groh, Heinie
Inao, Kazuhisa
Johnson, Grant "Home Run"
McPhee, Bid
Moore, Dobie
Ochiai, Hiromitsu
Palmeiro, Rafael
Pearce, Dickey
Quisenberry, Dan
Ruffing, Red
Smith, Hilton
Start, Joe
Sutter, Bruce
Van Haltren, George
Wallace, Bobby

[TheSlaff]

Luis Aparicio
Jake Beckley
Charlie Bennett
Ken Boyer
Pete Browning
Bob Caruthers
Dwight Evans
Heinie Groh
Home Run Johnson
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Bid McPhee
Rafael Palmeiro
Sam Rice
Red Ruffing
Joe Sewell
Hilton Smith
Joe Start
Vern Stephens
Bruce Sutter
George Van Haltren
Larry Walker
Bobby Wallace

:gt

[AG2004]

My September 28, 2007 Ballot

PLAYERS
Sal Bando
Charlie Bennett
Akira Bessho
Bobby Bonds
Bob Caruthers
Perucho Cepeda
Cupid Childs
Darrell Evans
Burleigh Grimes
Heinie Groh
Kazuhisa Inao
Home Run Johnson
Bid McPhee
Dobie Moore
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Alejandro Oms
Dickey Pearce
Tony Perez
Spotswood Poles
Dan Quisenberry
Red Ruffing
Hilton Smith
Joe Start
George Van Haltren
Jimmy Wynn

I made a comment about Oms in the main discussion thread. Childs replaces Leach, and Perez and McPhee make their debuts on my ballot.

Tommy Leach, Charlie Keller, and Jimmy Sheckard are all ballot-worthy, but I don't want to put too many singletons on my ballot. Comments on them are on my Keltner List thread.

[jalbright]

We have elected five more players this month: Charlie Bennett, Heinie Groh, Fred McGriff, Hilton Smith and George Van Haltren. I'll post details and the new voting list later today.

Jim Albright

[jalbright]

We've elected five this election: Charlie Bennett, Heinie Groh, Fred McGriff, Hilton Smith and George Van Haltren. We had fourteen valid ballots (counting Classic's from last month without the elected players as doing so did not alter who was elected), and the complete results are as follows:


Aparicio, Luis 9 64.3 Bennett, C 11 78.6
Bando, Sal 1 7.1 Groh, Heinie 11 78.6
Beckley, Jake 8 57.1 McGriff, Fred 11 78.6
Bender, Chief 2 14.3 Smith, Hilton 11 78.6
Bennett, C 11 78.6 Van Haltren, G 11 78.6
Bessho, Akira 3 21.4 Grimes, B 10 71.4
Bond, Tommy 1 7.1 Inao, Kazuhisa 10 71.4
Bonds, Bobby 2 14.3 Aparicio, Luis 9 64.3
Bottomley, Jim 2 14.3 Cepeda, P 9 64.3
Boyer, Ken 8 57.1 McPhee, Bid 9 64.3
Bresnahan, R 1 7.1 Rice, Sam 9 64.3
Browning, Pete 6 42.9 Ruffing, Red 9 64.3
Canseco, Jose 1 7.1 Wallace, Bobby 9 64.3
Caruthers, Bob 5 35.7 Beckley, Jake 8 57.1
Cepeda, P 9 64.3 Boyer, Ken 8 57.1
Childs, Cupid 2 14.3 Moore, Dobie 8 57.1
Cravath, Gavvy 1 7.1 Palmeiro, 8 57.1
Cuyler, Kiki 3 21.4 Joss, Addie 7 50.0
Doyle, Larry 6 42.9 Klein, Chuck 7 50.0
Evans, Darrell 6 42.9 Browning, Pete 6 42.9
Evans, Dwight 5 35.7 Doyle, Larry 6 42.9
Faber, Red 4 28.6 Evans, Darrell 6 42.9
Franco, John 1 7.1 Johnson, HR 6 42.9
Glasscock, J 5 35.7 Quisenberry, D 6 42.9
Gomez, Lefty 2 14.3 Roush, Edd 6 42.9
Grimes, B 10 71.4 Start, Joe 6 42.9
Groh, Heinie 11 78.6 Sutter, Bruce 6 42.9
Hernandez, K 3 21.4 Caruthers, Bob 5 35.7
Inao, Kazuhisa 10 71.4 Evans, Dwight 5 35.7
Johnson, Bob 1 7.1 Glasscock, J 5 35.7
Johnson, HR 6 42.9 Perez, Tony 5 35.7
Joss, Addie 7 50.0 Walker, Larry 5 35.7
Kingman, Dave 1 7.1 Faber, Red 4 28.6
Klein, Chuck 7 50.0 Martinez, Edgar 4 28.6
Lombardi, Ernie 1 7.1 Pearce, Dickey 4 28.6
Manush, Heinie 3 21.4 Rice, Jim... 4 28.6
Maranville, R 1 7.1 Sewell, Joe 4 28.6
Martinez, Edgar 4 28.6 Welch, Mickey 4 28.6
Mathews, Bobby 1 7.1 Wynn, Jimmy 4 28.6
McCormick, Jim 1 7.1 Bessho, Akira 3 21.4
McGriff, Fred 11 78.6 Cuyler, Kiki 3 21.4
McPhee, Bid 9 64.3 Hernandez, K 3 21.4
McVey, Cal 1 7.1 Manush, Heinie 3 21.4
Moore, Dobie 8 57.1 Ochiai, H 3 21.4
Mullane, Tony 1 7.1 Rixey, Eppa 3 21.4
Nettles, Graig 1 7.1 Ryan, Jimmy 3 21.4
Ochiai, H 3 21.4 Smith, Lee 3 21.4
O'Doul, Lefty 2 14.3 Wilson, Hack 3 21.4
Oliva, Tony 1 7.1 Bender, Chief 2 14.3
Oliver, Al.. 2 14.3 Bonds, Bobby 2 14.3
Oms, Alejandro 1 7.1 Bottomley, Jim 2 14.3
Palmeiro, R 8 57.1 Childs, Cupid 2 14.3
Pearce, Dickey 4 28.6 Gomez, Lefty 2 14.3
Perez, Tony 5 35.7 O'Doul, Lefty 2 14.3
Pike, Lip.. 1 7.1 Oliver, Al... 2 14.3
Poles, Spot 1 7.1 Waner, Lloyd 2 14.3
Quisenberry, D 6 42.9 Willis, Vic.. 2 14.3
Rice, Jim.. 4 28.6 Bando, Sal 1 7.1
Rice, Sam 9 64.3 Bond, Tommy 1 7.1
Rixey, Eppa 3 21.4 Bresnahan, R 1 7.1
Rosen, Al. 1 7.1 Canseco, Jose 1 7.1
Roush, Edd 6 42.9 Cravath, Gavvy 1 7.1
Ruffing, Red 9 64.3 Franco, John 1 7.1
Ryan, Jimmy 3 21.4 Johnson, Bob 1 7.1
Sewell, Joe 4 28.6 Kingman, Dave 1 7.1
Smith, Hilton 11 78.6 Lombardi, Ernie 1 7.1
Smith, Reggie 1 7.1 Maranville, R 1 7.1
Smith, Lee 3 21.4 Mathews, Bobby 1 7.1
Start, Joe 6 42.9 McCormick, Jim 1 7.1
Stephens, Vern 1 7.1 McVey, Cal 1 7.1
Sutter, Bruce 6 42.9 Mullane, Tony 1 7.1
Van Haltren, G 11 78.6 Nettles, Graig 1 7.1
Veach, Bobby 1 7.1 Oliva, Tony 1 7.1
Walker, Larry 5 35.7 Oms, Alejandro 1 7.1
Wallace, Bobby 9 64.3 Pike, Lip.. 1 7.1
Waner, Lloyd 2 14.3 Poles, Spot 1 7.1
Welch, Mickey 4 28.6 Rosen, Al. 1 7.1
Willis, Vic. 2 14.3 Smith, Reggie 1 7.1
Wilson, Hack 3 21.4 Stephens, Vern 1 7.1
Wynn, Jimmy 4 28.6 Veach, Bobby 1 7.1
Youngs, Ross 1 7.1 Youngs, Ross 1 7.1