New Current Player League Draft

[Westlake]

Hey all -- I've decided that I wanted to get a league draft going. The draft will include CURRENT players, and a season will be simmed after the draft is completed and a week has gone by for trades and such. After that season has gone by, I can post the results and stats, then everyone can trade or add/drop players if they wish, then we can run another season. I figure we can do this for 3 seasons. We can also have a vote on who has the best team before we run the first sim.

I'm thinking an eight hour window for picks would be good, and we can change it later if it isn't working. The clock can be dead from 10PM PACIFIC TIME to 7 AM PACIFIC TIME. Of course, picks can still be made and it would be greatly appreciated if you could PM your pick to me or another member to make it for you if you think you might not make your time -- in order to keep the draft moving smoothly.

Im hoping to get some regular members to join the league, and keep the people with less than 20 posts in the league to a minimum.

Please post in this thread if you would like to join (Or PM me, if you so desire)



EDIT: I'm thinking about instituting a salary cap -- Maybe 100 Million? None of this is written in stone, I'd like to hear opinions from the peanut gallery first.


Joined and Approved:

JordanDL3891
Westlake
DodgerFan1
Williamsburg
Erik Bedard
Ronnie5
ChrisLDuncan
JeffFrancouer7
TheSplendidSplinter
Kyle
DisgruntledMarinerFan

[JordanDL3891]

I guess i'll join

[Dodgerfan1]

Okay Evan, I'll join. Sounds like fun!

[Westlake]

Williamsburg has just told me he is joining our league.

[JordanDL3891]

if you have a cap of 100 mil, would these be consisting of the players you drafted's contracts in real life? if so, what site should we all use so there wouldn't be any variabality in contracts. Mlb4u?

[Westlake]

if you have a cap of 100 mil, would these be consisting of the players you drafted's contracts in real life? if so, what site should we all use so there wouldn't be any variabality in contracts. Mlb4u?

Mlb4u is what I was thinking about. Lets all use that.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm definitely in.

[Westlake]

Awesome Dan... you'll have to do a little explainin to me when it comes to sim time.


EDIT: Ronnie5 has joined the league.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Yeah I'll join...no cap though, caps are for commies that hate America.

[Westlake]

Yeah I'll join...no cap though, caps are for commies that hate America.

Well, I hate America. :silent:

Lets go guys, we need more sign ups, I want to start this by early next week!

[Francoeurstein]

Ill join but I have a tourny this weekend.

[Westlake]

Ill join but I have a tourny this weekend.

That's fine -- This wont start til Monday at the earliest. I haven't even moved into my apartment for the year yet.

[Westlake]

....bump....

[JordanDL3891]

btw, what sim engine are you using, OOTP i'm guessing?

[-Kyle-]

Ok..............

[The Splendid Splinter]

i'll join...

[Westlake]

Ok..............

Does "OK" mean you want to join?

And yes, i'll probably be using OOTP.

[-Kyle-]

Does "OK" mean you want to join?

And yes, i'll probably be using OOTP.

yep :waving

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

Is it too late to join? If not I would love to participate.

[Westlake]

Is it too late to join? If not I would love to participate.

You're in.

[The Splendid Splinter]

so what are all of the rules we have to go by? is there a salary cap on the team? how many players are we drafting? DH or no?

i like to know all the rules before we start the draft...

[Westlake]

so what are all of the rules we have to go by? is there a salary cap on the team? how many players are we drafting? DH or no?

i like to know all the rules before we start the draft...

100 Million salary cap. If you go over during the draft, you must bring it down either by trade or an outright release before we start the sim.

We will draft a 22 man roster.

I was thinking we could have two 6 team leagues... one DH and one not. UNLESS everyone is ok with going one way or another. Im fine with or without it. But usually you dont have everyone siding with the same one.

We arent drafting players by who has had the best career (Greg Maddux will not be better than Johan Santana) and we are not drafting certain years. If anyone needs a reference point -- a Current Player Fantasy Draft was run in the past, and has its on subforum. You can go in there and see how that went if you need to.

We are just waiting for 1 more person to join and we are good to go.

Evan

[Erik Bedard]

Are prospects allowed? Or is it just a one-season sim?

BTW, Evan, this is probably the best roster pack to use (http://files.filefront.com/CFhb+v30zip/;8029553;;/fileinfo.html). It contains all players, majors and minors, and the ratings are not just one guy's opinions, it has been worked on by about ten different people. Also, I think OOTP 2007 allows you to delete leagues, which should make things easier than I had it with OOTP 2006.

[Westlake]

Are prospects allowed? Or is it just a one-season sim?

BTW, Evan, this is probably the best roster pack to use (http://files.filefront.com/CFhb+v30zip/;8029553;;/fileinfo.html). It contains all players, majors and minors, and the ratings are not just one guy's opinions, it has been worked on by about ten different people. Also, I think OOTP 2007 allows you to delete leagues, which should make things easier than I had it with OOTP 2006.

Thanks Dan.

I wanted to use prospects, since i was planning on 3 seasons -- but I dont want the draft to take months.

[Wade8813]

I'm willing to play, but I need some clarification.

We're not picking career, and not picking best years. What are we picking? This season's stats? Next season? Their third best season based on Warp1? A random season?

[JordanDL3891]

i'm guessing basicly how the players are performing currently, as in right now. This season and some of last season.

[Westlake]

I'm willing to play, but I need some clarification.

We're not picking career, and not picking best years. What are we picking? This season's stats? Next season? Their third best season based on Warp1? A random season?

Like I said earlier, you are picking the player he is now. We'll use ratings that these players are given in the program -- which I think is comprised by this year and last years stats. In other words, pick the team you would want to field TODAY.

[JordanDL3891]

whats the draft order?

[Erik Bedard]

The best way to do it is to assign each person a random number, then send it privately to someone else, then have a third person get a number sequence from random.org and post it here.

[Westlake]

We still need one more person to join before we determine a draft order.

[Dodgerfan1]

I'm just rolling with it. I'm still not even sure how to play. But it'll come to me. :nod:

[JordanDL3891]

The best way to do it is to assign each person a random number, then send it privately to someone else, then have a third person get a number sequence from random.org and post it here.

that is exactly what I was thinking, though I was also wondering if westlake had anything in mind.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'm getting the order of the draft right now.

what i did was... put each of us in order as you see it in the first post 1-12 with 12th spot still empty. then i asked my friend to randomly order the number 1-12. he doesnt know who is what number. then i told him who is what numbers and he wrote it down. now he got a friend to do the same thing and use random.org after he got the names wrote down. then he told my friend and he just told me. you can use this if you want or not.

it goes like this....


DisgruntledMarinerFan
ChrisLDuncan
Williamsburg
12th spot
Westlake
JeffFrancouer7
JordanDL3891
Kyle
Ronnie5
DodgerFan1
TheSplendidSplinter
Erik Bedard

[JordanDL3891]

I'm getting the order of the draft right now.

what i did was... put each of us in order as you see it in the first post 1-12 with 12th spot still empty. then i asked my friend to randomly order the number 1-12. he doesnt know who is what number. then i told him who is what numbers and he wrote it down. now he got a friend to do the same thing and use random.org after he got the names wrote down. then he told my friend and he just told me. you can use this if you want or not.

it goes like this....


DisgruntledMarinerFan
ChrisLDuncan
Williamsburg
12th spot
Westlake
JeffFrancouer7
JordanDL3891
Kyle
Ronnie5
DodgerFan1
TheSplendidSplinter
Erik Bedard

wow you went ahead and did the order? I didn't know your name was westlake.

[Westlake]

wow you went ahead and did the order? I didn't know your name was westlake.

Its ok, he said we could use it or not. Didnt tell us to use it, asked us.

I believe him, so that's what we will use. We just need that 12th person to join.

[JordanDL3891]

yea, i'm not aginst that order or anything, just it was just thrown in, and this being your thing I thought you would compile and order.

Is the draft going to snake around? like on the 1st round the teams will draft from 1st to 12th and then 12th to 1st in the 2nd round?

[Westlake]

yea, i'm not aginst that order or anything, just it was just thrown in, and this being your thing I thought you would compile and order.

Yeah I got ya.

On second thought... I'd like to find the 12th person before we determine the order, if that's ok. Thanks for the effort Splendid Splinter. SS, have you spoken to TFAM lately? He might want to join.

[The Splendid Splinter]

it's cool, no problem. just thought it would speed things up. you can you that order that i have right now to start off if you want. its already random at the moment instead of how the order is in the first post.

TFAM doesnt come here anymore so he wont join and i have another friend thats too busy to join.

[JordanDL3891]

it's cool, no problem. just thought it would speed things up. you can you that order that i have right now to start off if you want. its already random at the moment instead of how the order is in the first post.

TFAM doesnt come here anymore so he wont join and i have another friend thats too busy to join.

I agree, the order in the 1st post is just a list of how the people have joined. I was not aginst your order to use that list as the order.

[Wade8813]

We are just waiting for 1 more person to join and we are good to go.

I'm willing to play...

We still need one more person to join before we determine a draft order.

I'm still willing to play... :waving :laugh

[Erik Bedard]

Thanks Dan.

I wanted to use prospects, since i was planning on 3 seasons -- but I dont want the draft to take months.

A way to avoid this would be to have prospects count in the 22 players, as some have fairly high overall ratings already, and could start in the majors.

[JordanDL3891]

A way to avoid this would be to have prospects count in the 22 players, as some have fairly high overall ratings already, and could start in the majors.


Question, why 22 and not 25 :shrug:

[Wade8813]

So, I looked at mlb4u.com. Is there any way to look up players based on salary? I don't want to have to look up each player individually to see what their salary is - that's WAY too much work. Also, is there somewhere that gives me the salary in simple terms? Ichiro's contract description on that site looks like:

4-Year worth 44M- + poss. 1.25M in bonuses over contract- + receives a 6M signing bonus- will make 5M in 2004 then 11M in 2005, 2006 and 2007- + during first three years, he would earn bonuses of 50K for 400PA, and 100K each for 500 and 600 plate appearances- + In 2007, he would get 100K for 400PA and 200K each for 500 and 600 PA- + receives housing allowances of 28K in 2004, 29K in 2005, 30K in 2006 and 31K in 2007- + receives an interpreter, personal trainer, ground transportation during spring training and the regular season- + receives four round-trip first-class plane tickets from Japan to Seattle twice every year- + later signed 5-year contract EXTENSION worth $90M thru 2012 season on 7/13/07- + he receives a $5M signing bonus and salaries of $17M each year in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012- + each year $5M of his salary is deferred at 5.5% interest, thus lowering the deal's average annual present-day value to $16.1M- + the $25M in deferred salaries will be paid out in annual installments each January 30 beginning with the first year of his retirement from MLB until at least 2032- + as part of the deal he receives a $32K housing allowance in 2008, $33K in 2009, $34K in 2010, $35K in 2011 and $36K in 2012- + as part of the deal, he receives a new jeep or Mercedes SUV from the team- + he recveives four first-class round trip tickets from Japan to Seattle each year for his family- + he receives a personal trainer and an interpreter- + BONUSES he has received: 50K bonus for 2004 All-Star selection, 50K for 2004 Gold Glove, 50K for 2005 All-Star selection, $50K for 2006 Gold Glove, $50K for 2007 All-Star selection and I'm not entirely sure what it is I just read, much less which parts count towards the cap. If a player gets extra money based on PA, does that mean that if I take that player, and he later gets that many PA, that might push me over the cap? If a contract gives different amounts for different years (as many do), do I just use the average? Or do I use his '06 numbers for '06, and '07 numbers for '07?:crazy

[JordanDL3891]

if you have a fast computer, it's not bad, I did it with my BBFTG team, took me 30-45 min.

[Wade8813]

if you have a fast computer, it's not bad, I did it with my BBFTG team, took me 30-45 min.
Did you look up each individual player to find their salaries? Because I'd probably want to look up at least a dozen players at each position. Plus, if I end up with only a little bit of salary left at the end of the draft, I'd probably want to look up players that only fall within a certain salary range, and I don't know if you can do that with this site.

[JordanDL3891]

no only like 20

but you get an idea, like I wouldn't go and take a-rod if I had a top 5 draft pic do to his 25 mil contract. Like general stuff like that. Try to pick young great guys at 1st who you know have low or minimual contracts.

[Westlake]

I'm still willing to play... :waving :laugh

Alright. I just didnt want to add you yet because you sounded like you wanted to find out how it worked before you joined.

Alright, it's complete.

I did the whole shindig Splendid Splinter did, and this is our draft order...


1.Williamsburg
2. Ronnie5
3. Erik Bedard
4. Westlake
5. Wade
6. Splendid Splinter
7. Kyle
8. DisgruntledMarinerFan
9. ChrisLDuncan
10. Jeff Francouer7
11. DodgerFan1
12. JordanDL3891

[Westlake]

and I'm not entirely sure what it is I just read, much less which parts count towards the cap. If a player gets extra money based on PA, does that mean that if I take that player, and he later gets that many PA, that might push me over the cap? If a contract gives different amounts for different years (as many do), do I just use the average? Or do I use his '06 numbers for '06, and '07 numbers for '07?:crazy

No.. none of that extra money incentive stuff.

And I would recommend using the average of the 4 seasons, if everyone is OK with that.

[The Splendid Splinter]

No.. none of that extra money incentive stuff.

And I would recommend using the average of the 4 seasons, if everyone is OK with that.

last 4 seasons? is this for the salary or the ratings or what?

[Westlake]

last 4 seasons? is this for the salary or the ratings or what?

He asked what to use for salary... and I said to just average out the seasons. Say Michael Young has a 5 year - 55 mil deal -- dont worry about it being backloaded or whatever, his salary is 11 mil.

[Wade8813]

Alright, good to know


I have a couple more questions:
Since we're using the stats for last year and this year, what do we do if the contracts for those two years are drastically different? Do we average the two? Just use the one for this year? Just use the higher one? Just the lower one?

Also, what do we do if mlb4u doesn't list a salary for the player? It only seems to be for players with a couple years or less in the majors - should we just assume they get about the minimum?

Are we doing 4 man or 5 man rotations?

Lastly, what are we allowing for positional interchangeability? Can SS play 2B? Can 2B play SS? Can CF play all OF positions? Can LFers and RFers play either position?

[Erik Bedard]

It's up to Westlake, but for position eligibility, OOTP allows anyone to play anywhere, even if they're unrated (for example, in the last CPFD, one team had Craig Monroe playing SS for a few games while Tejada and Crosby were injured).

[JordanDL3891]

Question, why 22 and not 25


anyone know?

and will the draft snake around?

[Dodgerfan1]

anyone know?

and will the draft snake around?

Wasn't it already established that we are doing a reverse-pick draft? Is that what you mean by snake around? I'm picking tenth in the first round, which means I pick third in the second round. That's my understanding.

[JordanDL3891]

yea just noticed that and I had pressed edit to delete it before your post but my comp was lagging. Now I will just lead it do to your post.

Thanks anyways.

Very suprised David Ortiz went 1st.

[Westlake]

Alright, good to know


I have a couple more questions:
Since we're using the stats for last year and this year, what do we do if the contracts for those two years are drastically different? Do we average the two? Just use the one for this year? Just use the higher one? Just the lower one?

Also, what do we do if mlb4u doesn't list a salary for the player? It only seems to be for players with a couple years or less in the majors - should we just assume they get about the minimum?

Are we doing 4 man or 5 man rotations?

Lastly, what are we allowing for positional interchangeability? Can SS play 2B? Can 2B play SS? Can CF play all OF positions? Can LFers and RFers play either position?

We are using their contracts from this year. But if they are in the middle of a long contract, you average out the years.

Check baseball-reference.com, if it isnt there, and they have less than 6 years MLB service, assume they make the minimum.

You can put 13 people in your rotation if you like.

Yes. To all of your position questions. But that's where the Yes' end.

[Erik Bedard]

It's probably too late to implement it now, but I just had an idea. What if each team had one or two "franchise players" who didn't count against the cap?

[Westlake]

It's probably too late to implement it now, but I just had an idea. What if each team had one or two "franchise players" who didn't count against the cap?

It would be too late to implement that now. Sorry.

[Dodgerfan1]

Check baseball-reference.com, if it isnt there, and they have less than 6 years MLB service, assume they make the minimum.

I may be blind, but baseball-reference.com only shows salaries for the players up to 2006.

[Westlake]

I may be blind, but baseball-reference.com only shows salaries for the players up to 2006.

You're right. I just figured they would have updated that by now.

[Westlake]

Question, why 22 and not 25 :shrug:

Maybe 22 on the roster, and then 3 prospects?

[Dodgerfan1]

Guys, I don't mean to be difficult, but this is the first time I've done this league. I don't follow the minor leagues closely at all. Is there a good website I can go to and check out some prospects, if this is the direction in which we are heading?

[Westlake]

Guys, I don't mean to be difficult, but this is the first time I've done this league. I don't follow the minor leagues closely at all. Is there a good website I can go to and check out some prospects, if this is the direction in which we are heading?

www.baseballamerica.com

I dont really think prospects are necessary to do well in this league. They COULD help in the upcoming years, but you're not going to need them.

We need to get a consensus on how we are going to do this.... 25 man rosters? 22 man rosters?

I've decided you can use the prospects that have at least 1 major league at bat or 1 game pitched -- but no one who has not made it to the majors BEFORE Sept 1st.

[Erik Bedard]

Maybe 22 on the roster, and then 3 prospects?

I like that idea.

[The Splendid Splinter]

We are using their contracts from this year. But if they are in the middle of a long contract, you average out the years.

Check baseball-reference.com, if it isnt there, and they have less than 6 years MLB service, assume they make the minimum.

just wondering... what if a guy you want just signed a contract extension this year? do you still just use this year salary or what the extension averages out? cuz i pick utley... he's due for 4.5 mil this year but his extension is 7/85 which would be just barely over 12... hes in his first year of it so he's not in the middle.

[Westlake]

just wondering... what if a guy you want just signed a contract extension this year? do you still just use this year salary or what the extension averages out? cuz i pick utley... he's due for 4.5 mil this year but his extension is 7/85 which would be just barely over 12... hes in his first year of it so he's not in the middle.

Its whatever he is making THIS year. Because than after the first season, everyones payroll is going to balloon up and its going to be a mess.

[Wade8813]

I was wondering the same thing. Also, mlb4u.com sometimes says they got a contract that supersedes their old one. I would guess that a contract extension means that the contract becomes the new number after the first one is over, and that if it supersedes the old one, you replace the old numbers. (BTW, mlb4u doesn't say anything about Utley having a contract extension).


Also, what's the minimum number of games to qualify at a position? Is it different for catchers?

[The Splendid Splinter]

(BTW, mlb4u doesn't say anything about Utley having a contract extension).

it's on like the first line on mlb4u. i just checked.

[Wade8813]

signed 7-year deal worth $85M thru 2013 season on 1/21/07- + he receives a $2M signing bonus and salaries of $4.5M in 2007, $7.5M in 2008, $11M in 2009 and $15M each year in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013- It lists 7 years @ $85m, but nothing else. The $4.5M for this year is part of the 7y/85M, it's just backloaded. So his contract is a little over 12 million a year

[Windy City Fan]

If anyone drops out, I'd love to grab a spot in this.

[Westlake]

If anyone drops out, I'd love to grab a spot in this.

I'll PM you if anyone does.

[Dodgerfan1]

I'll PM you if anyone does.

Evan, as I mentioned, Windy City Fan would get more out of this than I would at this time. I'm just too busy and won't be around a computer for a couple of days, so Windy City Fan is taking my place. Thanks for the invite to play! It looks like fun, now that I think I actually understand the rules!! Thanks for understanding.

DF1.

[Windy City Fan]

Glad to step into the mix, guys. I look forward to a competitive draft.

[AznInvasion]

I would of joined but the last one wasn't very fun after the draft that is. Anyway I'm pretty surprised at the picks so far. I didn't know Chris Young made 500k. He could be a great bargain. I picked Chris Young in the other CPFDL in the late rounds as a steal.

[Wade8813]

Yeah, I figured he wouldn't last very long this time, what with leading the Majors in ERA and all....

[The Splendid Splinter]

It lists 7 years @ $85m, but nothing else. The $4.5M for this year is part of the 7y/85M, it's just backloaded. So his contract is a little over 12 million a year


yes i know that but Westlake is just making it only this year salary counts. not the average of the contract. at least thats what he said in his response to my post about it.

[JordanDL3891]

Jordan, Peavy was taken earlier, but Mags is still fine.

Dang i'm stupid about peavy. I thought he was picked, looked back and he wasn't! but thats because I didn't notice do to -kyle-'s screen name being so small, I skiped right over it :laugh ok h.o

[Wade8813]

When he said we only use the contracts from this year, he was talking about something else. If a player had a contract for $3 million last year, and a different contract for $8 million this year, we would only use the contract for this year, even though the sim uses last year's stats as well.

However, he also specifically said to average out backloaded contracts.

We are using their contracts from this year. But if they are in the middle of a long contract, you average out the years.

[Wade8813]

We seem to have a couple contract issues getting mixed up, and we should sort them out before people make more picks, so people don't end up with players they don't really want, because their contracts are bigger than they thought (or people pass on players they would have taken, if they'd know their contracts were so small).

WCF picked Sizemore, but put down a drastically different salary than I think he gets.

The same applies with TSS and his pick of Utley.

[The Splendid Splinter]

just wondering... what if a guy you want just signed a contract extension this year? do you still just use this year salary or what the extension averages out? cuz i pick utley... he's due for 4.5 mil this year but his extension is 7/85 which would be just barely over 12... hes in his first year of it so he's not in the middle.

Its whatever he is making THIS year. Because than after the first season, everyones payroll is going to balloon up and its going to be a mess.

so he was talking about something else here? or was he answering to my question here? not that it wouldn't have mattered. i still would've got Utley whether he's worth 4.5 or 12+ mil.

as for utley, it's kinda was an extension, but also a contract. he skipped his arbitration years for the contract, but he extended his stay for another 5 years i think after his last arbitration year wouldve been.

[Wade8813]

I believe what he was saying was that even though we use the stats from 2 years for a player, we use whatever contract they are currently under. This would only affect anyone who signed a new contract this year.


And I would recommend using the average of the 4 seasons, if everyone is OK with that. (The four seasons refers to Ichiro's 4 year contract for $44 million). So you take the average, and ignore the fact that most contracts are backloaded.

Unless what he was saying to you was rescinding his earlier comments. In which case, I'm gonna be putting in a ridiculous amount of research (on top of the already too much research I've done for this) finding out who's contract is backloaded the best

[Erik Bedard]

Are trades allowed? If so, Jordan, I offer you Johan Santana for Erik Bedard.

[Windy City Fan]

Sizemore's salary according to ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=7256

[Wade8813]

Right, but I'm pretty sure we're supposed to average out their contracts, if they're backloaded.

Also, we're supposed to use mlb4u.com, which actually lists him at $750K if we don't average it.

[AznInvasion]

Yeah, I figured he wouldn't last very long this time, what with leading the Majors in ERA and all....

Ya this year greatly affects Chris Young's value. I actually drafted Chris B. Young in the rookie draft. :) We used the same rules basically as this one. We had to watch the salary and stuff too. Our budget might of been 120M though I can't recall.

[Westlake]

I believe what he was saying was that even though we use the stats from 2 years for a player, we use whatever contract they are currently under. This would only affect anyone who signed a new contract this year.

(The four seasons refers to Ichiro's 4 year contract for $44 million). So you take the average, and ignore the fact that most contracts are backloaded.

Unless what he was saying to you was rescinding his earlier comments. In which case, I'm gonna be putting in a ridiculous amount of research (on top of the already too much research I've done for this) finding out who's contract is backloaded the best

Sorry I didnt see these posts earlier. We are averaging out a contract if they are in the middle of a mutli-year deal.

Are trades allowed? If so, Jordan, I offer you Johan Santana for Erik Bedard.

Id rather wait til the draft is over for trades, but if enough people want to trade during, i'll consider it.

Right, but I'm pretty sure we're supposed to average out their contracts, if they're backloaded.

Also, we're supposed to use mlb4u.com, which actually lists him at $750K if we don't average it.

Correct. Please use mlb4u.com, and like was stated before, average out seasons if they are in a multi year contract.

I'm thinking about making the cap a little higher because of this -- maybe 110 million.

[AznInvasion]

I recommend this website. The info is usually the same but a whole lot easier to read on this one.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

[Wade8813]

What are the requirements for AB/IP/G/whatever?

[JordanDL3891]

Are trades allowed? If so, Jordan, I offer you Johan Santana for Erik Bedard.

crap, i'm sorry I can't, because I just got Magglio who is 15mil a year, I don't want to take another huge contract so soon. (10 mil from Santana)

[Wade8813]

I just had an idea, if Westlake approves it - it could make things more realistic, and maybe add a fun twist to things.

We could let players make deals with their cash. For instance, if someone gave $10 million plus their next pick for Reyes, or something. Whoever did that would go down to $90 million max salary (and pick up Reyes contract), and the other person would have a $110 million maximum.

[JordanDL3891]

i'd do that if I could, Santana and 10mil for Bedard.

[Wade8813]

of course, Westlake as the commish might have to nix that trade in the interest of keeping things fair, since Santana + 10 mill is >>>> than Bedard.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm not giving you Santana and paying his salary, not even for Bedard. But I've got an idea of who I'll take with my next pick, and maybe you'll be interested in him.

[JordanDL3891]

who? Derek Jeter? Alex Rodriguez? :laugh


I bet Roger Clemens :D

[AznInvasion]

When we do the average salary do you want the average of the whole contract or start from 2007 on?

[Westlake]

What are the requirements for AB/IP/G/whatever?

For what?

When we do the average salary do you want the average of the whole contract or start from 2007 on?

Whole contract.

[AznInvasion]

For what?



Whole contract.

Yep that's what I thought I was just making sure. Thanks for quick reply too.

[Westlake]

Yep that's what I thought I was just making sure. Thanks for quick reply too.

No problem. 1st day of class so I just sit on my computer while the professor babbles all day long.

[Wade8813]

For what? Everything. What's the minimum for us to pick them, what's the minimum to qualify at a position, what's the minimum for SP, what's the minimum for bullpen, etc.

[Westlake]

Everything. What's the minimum for us to pick them, what's the minimum to qualify at a position, what's the minimum for SP, what's the minimum for bullpen, etc.

You can put any pitcher as a starter. Doesnt matter to me.

You can pick anyone that has played in a major league game this or last year.

I'd say the player has to play at least half the time at the position you are putting him at. But of course, you can do the whole SS can play 2B thing, and CF can play RF and LF too.

[Wade8813]

Wait, anyone that's played A GAME? So, I could have someone in my startging lineup who has basically no playing time ever? What stats would the sim be based off of, in that case? They don't have anything really for this year or last year, so how will we sim them?

Also, it seems weird that we can have someone who's played 5 games in the majors be our CFer, but someone who's been in the majors for 80 games, but only played 20 at CF, can't be the CFer.

[Westlake]

Wait, anyone that's played A GAME? So, I could have someone in my startging lineup who has basically no playing time ever? What stats would the sim be based off of, in that case? They don't have anything really for this year or last year, so how will we sim them?

Also, it seems weird that we can have someone who's played 5 games in the majors be our CFer, but someone who's been in the majors for 80 games, but only played 20 at CF, can't be the CFer.

Yes, A GAME. I have no idea what the sim stats would be based off, but that's the risk you take by playing someone who has played 1 game.

Well, weird as it may seem, that's the way we are going to do it. I want players to be playing where they do the majority of time. If a guy has come up and played 5 games at CF and none anywhere, more than likely, he's a CFer. That's all I care about.

I'll make exceptions for people that make compelling cases for players to play another position. But not something like "He can play there" -- He has to have at least played there before for me to consider it.

You draft players at your own risk.

[AznInvasion]

I have a question about bonuses. Which ones do we need to include and I made a note for Holliday about his 25k bonus for 2007 all star appearance. I'll add it in asap if need be. I couldn't find a contract for a few players...they only had a signing bonus. Do we just use that bonus as the contract? Or League Minimum?

[Westlake]

I have a question about bonuses. Which ones do we need to include and I made a note for Holliday about his 25k bonus for 2007 all star appearance. I'll add it in asap if need be. I couldn't find a contract for a few players...they only had a signing bonus. Do we just use that bonus as the contract? Or League Minimum?

No bonuses. Alone or in contracts. You dont need to add anything. If you cant find the contract for a specific player on mlb4u.com, let me know, and i can let you use another source.

[Erik Bedard]

:dance :dance :dance :dance :dance

I'm really, really happy that I got both Braun and Lincecum. Two guys making the minimum should help alleviate the stress of Santana's huge contract.

[AznInvasion]

:dance :dance :dance :dance :dance

I'm really, really happy that I got both Braun and Lincecum. Two guys making the minimum should help alleviate the stress of Santana's huge contract.

I never did find Lincecum's salary. :) Also are options averaged into contracts? Do we just use the club option number if it is a option year?

[Westlake]

I never did find Lincecum's salary. :) Also are options averaged into contracts? Do we just use the club option number if it is a option year?

Nope. Dont use the options unless the player is actually in the option. If he is, use only that year.

[AznInvasion]

Ok that's my last salary question I swear. hehe

[Westlake]

Ok that's my last salary question I swear. hehe

Use ESPN.com if the salary isnt listed on mlb4u.com

Also... Im thinking of either letting people trade players along with cash as was suggested earlier, OR adding another 10 million to the cap. What does everyone think?

note: Im not going to allow the trading of draft picks, but you can trade players starting now.

[AznInvasion]

Use ESPN.com if the salary isnt listed on mlb4u.com

Also... Im thinking of either letting people trade players along with cash as was suggested earlier, OR adding another 10 million to the cap. What does everyone think?

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

This one is the best site! After that I'll use mlb4u.com and ESPN.com

[Westlake]

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

This one is the best site! After that I'll use mlb4u.com and ESPN.com

OK. But if any of the contracts on that site are different that what is listed on mlb4u, i'll have to ask you to change it.

[AznInvasion]

OK. But if any of the contracts on that site are different that what is listed on mlb4u, i'll have to ask you to change it.

That's fine by me. I'll check both sites then before picking my person. Most of the info has been the same though. I've yet to find a major difference.

[Wade8813]

Y'know, if you're checking mlb4u anyway, it would be easier to just use it, instead of checking both...

[Westlake]

Haha, I love your team name Ronnie.

[JordanDL3891]

can a mod sticky the alpha list?

[-Kyle-]

Yes, A GAME. I have no idea what the sim stats would be based off, but that's the risk you take by playing someone who has played 1 game.

Well, weird as it may seem, that's the way we are going to do it. I want players to be playing where they do the majority of time. If a guy has come up and played 5 games at CF and none anywhere, more than likely, he's a CFer. That's all I care about.

I'll make exceptions for people that make compelling cases for players to play another position. But not something like "He can play there" -- He has to have at least played there before for me to consider it.

You draft players at your own risk.


Heres an idea, how about if the player plays a certain amount of games this season, thats all he can play during the next season? With minor subjective adjusts to injuries and rookies and whatnot.

[Wade8813]

Utility players might be hurt by that rule.

[Westlake]

Use ESPN.com if the salary isnt listed on mlb4u.com

Also... Im thinking of either letting people trade players along with cash as was suggested earlier, OR adding another 10 million to the cap. What does everyone think?

note: Im not going to allow the trading of draft picks, but you can trade players starting now.

No one answered my question. Im going to make a decision, but id rather have some feedback from you all on it first.

[Wade8813]

I'd prefer trading players and cash. It makes it more realistic, since teams do cash transactions all the time. Also, it's not a big deal in this case, but I think it's better not to change rules such as the salary cap part way through, unless there's an unexpected reason to, which there isn't. And $100 million is a more round sum anyway (which doesn't matter whatsoever, but it just feels a little more neat and concise).

Besides, you just want an extra 10 million because you picked A-Rod...

[AznInvasion]

I'm gonna agree with Wade on this one. Plus 100M makes things a little harder for us. I enjoy the challenge.

[JordanDL3891]

I'm gonna agree with Wade on this one. Plus 100M makes things a little harder for us. I enjoy the challenge.

I would like to keep the cap at 100mil too, because then putting the team together is like putting a puzzle together.

[Westlake]

I'd prefer trading players and cash. It makes it more realistic, since teams do cash transactions all the time. Also, it's not a big deal in this case, but I think it's better not to change rules such as the salary cap part way through, unless there's an unexpected reason to, which there isn't. And $100 million is a more round sum anyway (which doesn't matter whatsoever, but it just feels a little more neat and concise).

Besides, you just want an extra 10 million because you picked A-Rod...

If I really wanted it because of that, I would have just done it and not asked for opinions. But thanks for pretty much accusing me of cheating, Wade.

I'm gonna agree with Wade on this one. Plus 100M makes things a little harder for us. I enjoy the challenge.

I would like to keep the cap at 100mil too, because then putting the team together is like putting a puzzle together.

Since you all are the only ones to respond, i'll keep it there. You can trade cash.

[Wade8813]

If I really wanted it because of that, I would have just done it and not asked for opinions. But thanks for pretty much accusing me of cheating, Wade. I apologize. That was my fault completely. I meant to put in an emoticon, to show I was joking, but then didn't find the one I was looking for. I never had any intention of seriously implying you were cheating.

Besides, if you were going to cheat, you would have just done given everyone the extra $10 million without letting us vote on it... :)

[-Kyle-]

So does Upton play CF? That's where he played majority of the season. His career has been mostly 3b, and he has played a large amout at 2b this year, where I would prefer to have him.

[Erik Bedard]

Can I change my pick if nobody picks before I change it? Also, will there be a lightning round at any time?

[-Kyle-]

Can I change my pick if nobody picks before I change it? Also, will there be a lightning round at any time?

No one will really know if you do. I wouldn't really care.

[Wade8813]

Well, anyone who saw his pick would know - and since Jordan responded, he obviously saw it. But it's not a big deal, IMO.

A lightning round sounds great (although I'm covering for DMF because he's gone until Wednesday. We'll be in contact, but it's limited, so he'd probably prefer it if we waited until he was back). We were going quite quickly at first, but it's slowed down since then.

[Westlake]

So does Upton play CF? That's where he played majority of the season. His career has been mostly 3b, and he has played a large amout at 2b this year, where I would prefer to have him.

Can I change my pick if nobody picks before I change it? Also, will there be a lightning round at any time?

You can have Upton at 2nd base.

You can change it. Maybe we can do a lightning round soon. We'll wait for DMF and Ronnie (who is still waiting for regular internet acess).

[Erik Bedard]

I'm assuming Papelbon was your guy regardless of who I took, and I changed it to Pedroia.

BTW, my team salary is 11.4M... and Santana makes 10M of that.

[Wade8813]

I'm still frustrated that Braun wasn't on MLB.com until after you picked him. When you picked him, I didn't know who he was, and typed him in, and the pitcher showed up, and not the one that actually matters... :mad: :rant: :evil

[JordanDL3891]

I'm assuming Papelbon was your guy regardless of who I took, and I changed it to Pedroia.

BTW, my team salary is 11.4M... and Santana makes 10M of that.

dang... I wanted Pedroia

[Erik Bedard]

I'm still frustrated that Braun wasn't on MLB.com until after you picked him. When you picked him, I didn't know who he was, and typed him in, and the pitcher showed up, and not the one that actually matters... :mad: :rant: :evil

Last year I had to use MLB.com as well, but this year BR started updating in-season. Sean Forman is a god. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Wade8813]

I looked at baseball-reference (I assume that's what you mean by BR), but I wasn't able to find any leaderboards for this year, or sortable lists of players on each team. What did you do?

[Westlake]

I'm assuming Papelbon was your guy regardless of who I took, and I changed it to Pedroia.

BTW, my team salary is 11.4M... and Santana makes 10M of that.

It was actually between Papelbon and Pedroia for me, but I was fine with either one.

[Erik Bedard]

I looked at baseball-reference (I assume that's what you mean by BR), but I wasn't able to find any leaderboards for this year, or sortable lists of players on each team. What did you do?

When searching for a player, just click on the "AL" or "NL" next to his team name, and it should take you to the league index, Then use the Expanded Leaderboards link to take you to the leaderboards (or just scroll down for quick use).

MLB.com is more in-depth, though.

[-Kyle-]

I still see 6 players or so who I'd really want for the next round.

[Westlake]

Kyle, Jake Peavy's salary is 3.625 Million.

[-Kyle-]

Gotcha, thanks

[ChrisLDuncan]

No one answered my question. Im going to make a decision, but id rather have some feedback from you all on it first.

Ehhh, I'm fine with both. Although, I would have made different picks knowing otherwise...maybe a compromise we can schedule a lightning round for four rounds (and re do the picks) and make the cap higher.

[Wade8813]

HECK NO! I don't want to start all over again in this draft.

[The Splendid Splinter]

is this gonna be 22 rounds or 25 or 22 players and 3 prospects?

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

maybe a compromise we can schedule a lightning round for four rounds (and re do the picks) and make the cap higher.

Are You kidding???!!!! I for one am not OK with that Idea. Infact I go so far to say that I would rather quit the draft altogether than go along with what would essentially restart the draft.
Just my two cents on the issue.

[Wade8813]

The draft will include CURRENT players, and a season will be simmed after the draft is completed and a week has gone by for trades and such. After that season has gone by, I can post the results and stats, then everyone can trade or add/drop players if they wish, then we can run another season. I figure we can do this for 3 seasons. We can also have a vote on who has the best team before we run the first sim.

I just thought of something rather important - will the 2nd and 3rd seasons have the players be the same? Or will they age?

[The Splendid Splinter]

I just thought of something rather important - will the 2nd and 3rd seasons have the players be the same? Or will they age?

well i hope they age... makes it more realistic and probably the stats would change more than if they stayed the same... and does somebody know how many rounds we're doing? i dont think we have set that in stone yet.

[Wade8813]

Of course, aging them gives us the problem that old players will become useless, but we won't have information on future rookies, since they haven't played in the majors yet. Guesses based on stats from the minors are limited at best. We'll lose more players than we'll gain.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Of course, aging them gives us the problem that old players will become useless, but we won't have information on future rookies, since they haven't played in the majors yet. Guesses based on stats from the minors are limited at best. We'll lose more players than we'll gain.

yeah... well does OOTP improves or decline ratings cuz of performance and age? and wouldnt they have ratings on the guys who just playing this year or prospects in the minors? and again... whos really gonna draft someone older than say 38? well i know im not.

[Westlake]

This is 3 consecutive years, so if you draft someone like Curt Schilling, you're taking the risk that he may be useless by the 3rd year.

[Erik Bedard]

Here's what I know about OOTP (Evan, feel free to correct any inaccuracies):

The game does not come pre-loaded with players. Numerous MLB roster sets can be downloaded for free, however. The most accurate of these is probably the CubbyFan23 set, which includes ALL players, majors and minors (I haven't tested it out myself, but that's what it's been in previous versions. All players are given overall and potential ratings, overall based on stats, and potential based on a whole bunch of people looking at it and making adjustments. Players get better and worse with age, at a rate defined by the person who creates the roster pack using options from the game.

[Wade8813]

Man, I wish I'd paid attention to that sooner... :dismay:

I've always gotten the impression that getting half way accurate ratings on players based on time in the minors is next to impossible. It's obvious that some won't be any good in the majors, and there's a few standouts that will probably do pretty well in the majors. But there's always those can't miss players that end up never getting anywhere. And even of those that make it, it's hard to have any idea if they'll be decent, or if they'll be amazing.

But if that's all we have to work with...

[Wade8813]

Hey Williamsburg, you have Ortiz listed as 6.5 million, but mlb4u says he got a new contract for 12.5 million a year.

+ later signed 4-year EXTENSION worth 52M thru 2010 on 4/10/06- + the deal supersedes option for 2007 and includes a Team Option for 2011 worth 12.5M or no buyout- + he receives a 2M signing bonus payable in 3 installments in 2006 and salaries of 12.5M each year in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010


Also, just an FYI for everyone - the ML minimum is $380,000.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061024&content_id=1722211&vkey=ps2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[Williamsburg2599]

Hey Williamsburg, you have Ortiz listed as 6.5 million, but mlb4u says he got a new contract for 12.5 million a year.




Also, just an FYI for everyone - the ML minimum is $380,000.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061024&content_id=1722211&vkey=ps2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Alright, thanks. Is there an easier way to figure out there contract $? It's hard to weed through the jumbled paragraphs about it on Mlb4u.com

[Wade8813]

There are some other sites you can use - although since mlb4u is the site we're officially using, any discrepancies means we go by the info on mlb4u.

[Westlake]

Alright, thanks. Is there an easier way to figure out there contract $? It's hard to weed through the jumbled paragraphs about it on Mlb4u.com

You can PM me any questions about certain players. Ive gotten pretty good about finding the actual number.

[Wade8813]

Does the sim adjust for ballpark?

[Westlake]

Does the sim adjust for ballpark?

Honestly, I dont know. Dan?

[Erik Bedard]

When making ratings? I'm not sure. I think it does, but not a huge adjustment.

[AznInvasion]

I almost took Wang on 4 separate occasions (rounds 5-8) but I couldn't pull the trigger. Good pick and I knew he wouldn't last after that. Hey you might want to consider a smaller picture also. That thing is huge!

[ChrisLDuncan]

I almost took Wang on 4 separate occasions (rounds 5-8) but I couldn't pull the trigger. Good pick and I knew he wouldn't last after that. Hey you might want to consider a smaller picture also. That thing is huge!

That's what she said ;)

On a serious note I'm suprised he lasted this long...a cheap pitcher like him I would have thought would have gone earlier

[-Kyle-]

That's what she said ;)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Westlake]

That's what she said ;)

On a serious note I'm suprised he lasted this long...a cheap pitcher like him I would have thought would have gone earlier

Thats what she said about what? Him almost taking wang on four seperate occasions, or that thing being huge? Works both ways. :nod:

[Wade8813]

Hey Westlake, since Upton qualifies at 2B, does Nick Swisher qualify at CF? Or does he not qualify anywhere, since he's sort of a utility player?

[Westlake]

Hey Westlake, since Upton qualifies at 2B, does Nick Swisher qualify at CF? Or does he not qualify anywhere, since he's sort of a utility player?

Swisher will qualify at all outfield positions and 1B.

[Erik Bedard]

Thats what she said about what? Him almost taking wang on four seperate occasions, or that thing being huge? Works both ways. :nod:

Heh. I know a great one (and it involves baseball) but I'm not sure if I should post it here.

[Wade8813]

If you have to wonder, it's probably better to just not post it...

[AznInvasion]

After the rosters are complete. How about setting up a poll in current events for people to vote for which team they like.

P.S. EB your pick doesn't surprise me! You always did like young players/prospects.

[Wade8813]

After the rosters are complete. How about setting up a poll in current events for people to vote for which team they like. Just make sure we explain the guidelines - this year and last year, simulating the next 3 years, etc.

[Westlake]

Just make sure we explain the guidelines - this year and last year, simulating the next 3 years, etc.

How are those the guidelines? Everyone asked what stats to go by and i said this and last years would probably be best, but I said you are trying to build the best team RIGHT NOW.

[Wade8813]

I misinterpreted what you said near the beginning of this thread.

Anywho, we'll still need to clarify things to them.

[AznInvasion]

Also need to make a note that I joined late...taking over for JF7. I ended up getting like 14th and 15th overall pick or something.

[Wade8813]

Except the pick order was randomly determined. You would have had that pick even if you'd joined sooner.

[Erik Bedard]

What he probably means is that JF7 missed his two picks and was dropped. So he picked way after where he normally would if he had joined at the beginning.

[Wade8813]

Oh, right...

I don't know if there's any fair way to adjust for that, though.

[AznInvasion]

What he probably means is that JF7 missed his two picks and was dropped. So he picked way after where he normally would if he had joined at the beginning.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I would of picked at the #10 and #15 spots had it been normal.

[Wade8813]

You're right, that is an unfair disadvantage. But how do you adjust for it? Do we make your team better, and take away from every team that picked between when you would have picked, and really did pick? What about the fact that had you picked someone different (a different position, esp), the entire draft might have turned out completely different, as whoever did take him would have had to take someone else, and might have taken someone at a different position, which means whoever had that person would have picked differently, plus people trying to fill a specific positions would have been affected, and someone who picked might have gone a totally different direction because the only guy they wanted early was taken, not to mention if someone felt that a bunch of people were disappearing at a position, they might have then taken someone from that position, to not get left out... (*whew!*)

did that make sense at all?

[Westlake]

Also, when we do do the polls, you will not be allowed to vote for your own team.

[AznInvasion]

Also, when we do do the polls, you will not be allowed to vote for your own team.

I mainly wanted to hear what people outside of the league thought about our teams. We can have a separate poll with only participants.

The joining late thing was a disadvantage but there's not much we can do about it. I'm not looking for any compensation because there's no way of knowing how much to adjust and what not.

[ronnie5]

So, if a player gets a signing bonus, how does that affect their salary for that year for this sim? For instance, I was told Tim Hudson made $9 mil a year, but according to mlb4u, his contract is
"...signed 4-year EXTENSION worth 47M thru 2009 season on 3/1/05- + he receives a 10M signing bonus and salaries of 4M in 2006, 6M in 2007 and 13M in both 2008 and 2009..."
So, normally it would be simple- 47m/4 years...but does that bonus count toward his contract for this sim? Cuz if it does, that sucks and he makes a lot more than I was told...

[Erik Bedard]

His salary should be 11.75M based on that.

[Westlake]

So, if a player gets a signing bonus, how does that affect their salary for that year for this sim? For instance, I was told Tim Hudson made $9 mil a year, but according to mlb4u, his contract is
"...signed 4-year EXTENSION worth 47M thru 2009 season on 3/1/05- + he receives a 10M signing bonus and salaries of 4M in 2006, 6M in 2007 and 13M in both 2008 and 2009..."
So, normally it would be simple- 47m/4 years...but does that bonus count toward his contract for this sim? Cuz if it does, that sucks and he makes a lot more than I was told...

I dont know why mlb4u.com added his signing bonus to his contract. Its a bonus. And i've said since the beginning that bonuses dont count.

[Westlake]

His salary should be 11.75M based on that.

No. Ive said that bonuses dont count before.

[ronnie5]

No. Ive said that bonuses dont count before.

Cool, thanks for the clarification

[The Splendid Splinter]

you will also notice that Hudson had a 10 mil signing bonus so his contract is 4 yrs/37 mil., but when you add the yearly salary up, it's 36 mil. the reason is because of the buyout. so the buyout doesn't count either. it's basically a bonus at the end when they don't pick up the option.

just wanted to throw that out there too.

[Wade8813]

It's simple - the entire contract is 47 over 4 years. The entire contract includes salary, bonuses, etc. They then break it down by salary per year - so you usually have to add them up and average them to find your answer.

[ronnie5]

you will also notice that Hudson had a 10 mil signing bonus so his contract is 4 yrs/37 mil., but when you add the yearly salary up, it's 36 mil. the reason is because of the buyout. so the buyout doesn't count either. it's basically a bonus at the end when they don't pick up the option.

just wanted to throw that out there too.

Evan, so buyouts AND bonuses dont count, correct? For players like Hudson who have big contracts (and possibly bonuses and buyouts), should we add up the salaries like Splendid Splinter said if we want the EXACT number?

[Wade8813]

Right, don't count bonuses, and don't count buyouts.

[Windy City Fan]

Ah, I need to recheck my salary figures, I was including buyouts and bonuses. Another issue, I know Westlake and I have discussed, is if an extension reworks the remaining years of an existing contract. According to Westlake (correct me if I'm wrong) these reworked years do not count in figuring the average yearly salary, only the actual extension years beyond the original contract.

[Westlake]

Ah, I need to recheck my salary figures, I was including buyouts and bonuses. Another issue, I know Westlake and I have discussed, is if an extension reworks the remaining years of an existing contract. According to Westlake (correct me if I'm wrong) these reworked years do not count in figuring the average yearly salary, only the actual extension years beyond the original contract.

I dont know about this, actually. I was thinking about it the other day. Anyone want to explain to me which way would be fair? The reworked years kind of fogs things up for me.

[Windy City Fan]

Well to me if the years were reworked, they are a part of the new contract and should be included. To further add to the confusion, I've noticed a few times on mlb4u.com a new contract is not listed as an extension even though it reworked or superceded an existing contract. Plus, you have said your goal is make the salary figures represenative of the player's "market value" the reworked years are done according the market value of the player at the time the contract (or extension) was signed.

I think including reworked years is consistent with your intentions, fair, and easier (otherwise they are counted for some players and not others on mlb4u, because some are called new contracts and others are called extensions).

[Wade8813]

I think any reworked years should be included as whatever the new salary is that they came up with. This is what the player actually earned. Additionally, I think extensions should also count, but should also be averaged in with the rest of the contract, since it seems to me that they're the same contract, but continued for another year.

[Westlake]

I think you're both right on this one. Re-worked contracts should definately count.

[JordanDL3891]

who ever drafted Paul Lo Duca should have used this picture:

http://perfectpitch.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/loducabheaddevil_2.jpg

[AznInvasion]

who ever drafted Paul Lo Duca should have used this picture:

http://perfectpitch.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/loducabheaddevil_2.jpg

Someone picked LoDuca?

[-Kyle-]

I love my top three pitchers, Jake Peavy, Brad Penny, Danny Haren who have an AVERAGE era+ of 156 right now, which is better than most people's top pitcher. I also have a very good left in Tom Gorzenlanny.

[JordanDL3891]

Someone picked LoDuca?

I thought someone did, well who ever does, use that pic :laugh

[JordanDL3891]

I talked to RHP about westlakes CPFD threads, and he said he will move them into the old CPFD sub forum :clapping

I already sent him another pm with the links for each thread, so soon we will be moved to a new home.

- Jordan

[AznInvasion]

I talked to RHP about westlakes CPFD threads, and he said he will move them into the old CPFD sub forum :clapping

I already sent him another pm with the links for each thread, so soon we will be moved to a new home.

- Jordan

Cool! Nice work. We won't be confused between the old stuff and new stuff will we?

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

As you can see I took care of things this morning.

I moved the 4 current threads into their current forum, and PM'ed Sean (webmaster) to change the name of the sub-forum. I've kept a few threads from the old game locked at the bottom of the forum, so that people may view them for old time's sake, or for reference if they need to see who to pick.

If you guys need anything, let me know.

-Geoff

[Westlake]

Thanks a lot, Geoff. :)

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

You're welcome.

[-Kyle-]

So what happens to Brad Penny when his contract runs out?

[JordanDL3891]

EB, what was the old website for the old CPFD

[AznInvasion]

www.freewebs.com/cpfdl

[JordanDL3891]

www.freewebs.com/cpfdl

wow that simple?

I thought it was like /erikbedard or /eb45 or somthing like that

[AznInvasion]

wow that simple?

I thought it was like /erikbedard or /eb45 or somthing like that

Yep, it's very simple. I was actually looking at it the other day. It brought back some memories.

[Erik Bedard]

Ah, back when I was a freshman and didn't spend five hours a night on homework. Those were the days.

[JordanDL3891]

Ah, back when I was a freshman and didn't spend five hours a night on homework. Those were the days.

yea, I just finished hw :ughh


I spent a lot of my time looking at the Bronx Bombers team page on that, It was pretty creative and brought back memories. Hopefuly I will again have the best record in my league when this game starts. :cool:

[AznInvasion]

yea, I just finished hw :ughh


I spent a lot of my time looking at the Bronx Bombers team page on that, It was pretty creative and brought back memories. Hopefuly I will again have the best record in my league when this game starts. :cool:

I'm :pray: that doesn't happen again.:p I hope for better results this time.:cool:

[-Kyle-]

Ah, back when I was a freshman and didn't spend five hours a night on homework. Those were the days.

Try taking an AP SS and three honor's courses, and football. :p

[Erik Bedard]

Try AP world history and FIVE honors courses, and hockey. :p

[Wade8813]

Try being in college, and having classes not start until the 24th, and when they do start, I don't have to be there until 9:30 every morning, and leave at 12:30...:waving :clapping :laugh :D :hyper: :dance :thumbsup: :happy:

[Westlake]

Haha... or not having class Monday, Wednesday or Friday! :)

[-Kyle-]

Try AP world history and FIVE honors courses, and hockey. :p

I have a four block schedule, I can't help that...:D do you take them all year round? because I have it for two terms, (til january) EXTREMLY concentrated so we have no leisure time in class and tons of hw...

My friend had it the worst, there was a point in time last year where he had two honors courses, then a tutor, then fball prac, then hockey practice so he got home at like nine every night. :o That can't be good for your body.

[Wade8813]

then fball prac, then hockey practice that's the part that isn't good for his body. The rest might not be good for his sanity...

And seriously, most people have no reason to take that hard of a class load.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Haha... or not having class Monday, Wednesday or Friday! :)

I know how that goes buddy...tough stuff. I can only get hammered four days a week!. :crazy

[The Splendid Splinter]

try having all online classes... :laugh :laugh :laugh

[Erik Bedard]

I have a four block schedule, I can't help that...:D do you take them all year round? because I have it for two terms, (til january) EXTREMLY concentrated so we have no leisure time in class and tons of hw...

My friend had it the worst, there was a point in time last year where he had two honors courses, then a tutor, then fball prac, then hockey practice so he got home at like nine every night. :o That can't be good for your body.

Eight block schedules rule. I get two free periods a day because of all my honors courses. That's when I normally do all my homework, except yesterday my evil French teacher made me take a stupid national French test during one of my frees, and I ate in the other. I did homework from about 4 to 11 PM.

But hey, at least I'm knocking about three semesters off of college.

[Windy City Fan]

I think we need an answer as to how injured players will be treated. Will people that were hurt at the start of this season start on the DL? Will players that suffered a major injury (this year or last) be more prone to injury?

[AznInvasion]

Ronnie I propose Ibanez for Duncan. I want to swap salaries.

[JordanDL3891]

Can we post our lineups in the roster thread?

[-Kyle-]

But hey, at least I'm knocking about three semesters off of college.

Yea me too, only if I pass the AP Exam (which I should). I am planning on taking 2 AP next year and not doing fball and in my senior year one ap course and fball.

[AznInvasion]

Yea me too, only if I pass the AP Exam (which I should). I am planning on taking 2 AP next year and not doing fball and in my senior year one ap course and fball.

Sounds like a good plan. I'm in college and I wish i had taken AP stuff back then!

[Wade8813]

I'm glad I didn't do AP - but I do wish I'd done Running Start...

[-Kyle-]

I'm glad I didn't do AP - but I do wish I'd done Running Start...

AP is super hard, I have 3+ homework a night soley from it.

[AznInvasion]

AP is super hard, I have 3+ homework a night soley from it.
It will be worth it...trust me!

[JordanDL3891]

Can we post our lineups in the roster thread?

??????????

[Westlake]

Why dont you just add it to your original rosters post?

[JordanDL3891]

Why dont you just add it to your original rosters post?

yea, thats what I wanted to do, but it says the thread is "only" for rosters. :cool:

[ChrisLDuncan]

Is there a "DL" option?

[Westlake]

yea, thats what I wanted to do, but it says the thread is "only" for rosters. :cool:

So, is that why you made a whole new post?

[JordanDL3891]

So, is that why you made a whole new post?

in the rosters thread? no that was by accident, I thought I was posting in this thread asking if I can post the lineups in the roster thread. After I posted it, I noticed I posted it in the wrong thread, so changed it to --deleted--

[ChrisLDuncan]

If anyone wants Berkman talk to me.

[JordanDL3891]

sry for creating discussion in the other thread which belonged in this thread.

btw, I finaly updated my salary.

[JordanDL3891]

I just noticed my next pick will be in the last round :eek: last pick actualy

[The Splendid Splinter]

If anyone wants Berkman talk to me.

just curious.... just PM me on who would you like to get for Berkman.

[ChrisLDuncan]

I am currently taking offers on all of my players, but some will come at a premium :think:

[JordanDL3891]

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[AznInvasion]

When are we gonna start simming? Spring Training?

[JordanDL3891]

When are we gonna start simming? Spring Training?

What about ballparks?

[AznInvasion]

What about ballparks?

We gotta pick those too.

[Williamsburg2599]

We gotta pick those too.

Westlake, are we doing a ballpark draft or is it first come, first serve? (I already called PetCo if it's the latter :waving)

[AznInvasion]

Westlake, are we doing a ballpark draft or is it first come, first serve? (I already called PetCo if it's the latter :waving)

I'm gonna take Safeco Park then.

[JordanDL3891]

I'm gonna take Safeco Park then.

i've already called Yankee Stadium I post 1974 (been on my post in the roster thread for the past month)

[Westlake]

No, we're having a draft for stadiums as well. Here's the randomized order (I know, i know, I wanted to do it over again when I saw I was first just so I didn't have to hear it -- but figured you guys are just going to have to trust me)

westlake
kyle
DMF
splendidsplinter
williamsburg
chrisduncan
WCF
Jordan
AznInvasion
ErikBedard
Wade
ronnie5

This wont have to officially start until Noon CT on the 30th (to make sure everyone sees this), but since i'm first i'll make my pick, and you guys can continue if you like, but no one will be skipped until the 30th.

8 HR clocks.

[Westlake]

I'll take Yankee Stadium.

[Williamsburg2599]

No, we're having a draft for stadiums as well. Here's the randomized order (I know, i know, I wanted to do it over again when I saw I was first just so I didn't have to hear it -- but figured you guys are just going to have to trust me)

westlake
kyle
DMF
splendidsplinter
williamsburg
chrisduncan
WCF
Jordan
AznInvasion
ErikBedard
Wade
ronnie5

This wont have to officially start until Noon CT on the 30th (to make sure everyone sees this), but since i'm first i'll make my pick, and you guys can continue if you like, but no one will be skipped until the 30th.

8 HR clocks.

Do the Parks have to be current, still standing but not in use (like the Astrodome or Tiger) or current, or any time period?

[Westlake]

Do the Parks have to be current, still standing but not in use (like the Astrodome or Tiger) or current, or any time period?

Current parks still used.

[JordanDL3891]

I don't have the program you are using to sim - what variables about a ballpark go into effect? I'm guessing wall height, distance from homeplate, but are there any others? Altitude? Type of grass, size of foul teritory... ect.

Aw, I was hoping the draft would snake back for the stadium draft like the old one, but it's your game - your call.

[Westlake]

I dont have the program im using for the sim either yet, so I dont know.

[AznInvasion]

I don't have the program you are using to sim - what variables about a ballpark go into effect? I'm guessing wall height, distance from homeplate, but are there any others? Altitude? Type of grass, size of foul teritory... ect.

Aw, I was hoping the draft would snake back for the stadium draft like the old one, but it's your game - your call.

Ya I would of preferred reverse order too. Now I'm gonna get stuck with a park I didn't want most likely.

[Westlake]

Ya I would of preferred reverse order too. Now I'm gonna get stuck with a park I didn't want most likely.

No, really?

It would have been reverse order if it was some non-snake draft, but since it was, I dont see the point of rewarding anybody for being on the bottom half of a snake draft.