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Excellent PowerPoint presentation that provides testing procedures for baseball/softball players. Also includes standardized norms--in other words, where you rank for your age and position--for the following items:
body composition, flexibilty, strength, vertical jump, speed, throwing velocity, and bat speed.
http://falcon.tamucc.edu/~fspaniol/NSCA/2007%20NSCA%20SSTC%2001052007%20Final%20-%20Spaniol.pdf
Jake Patterson
08-23-2007, 04:34 PM
Excellent PowerPoint presentation that provides testing procedures for baseball/softball players. Also includes standardized norms--in other words, where you rank for your age and position--for the following items:
body composition, flexibilty, strength, vertical jump, speed, throwing velocity, and bat speed.
http://falcon.tamucc.edu/~fspaniol/NSCA/2007%20NSCA%20SSTC%2001052007%20Final%20-%20Spaniol.pdf
I like the throwing velocity slide. If accurate it would shed some light on how fast everyone feels the average HS'er throws.
Yes, it would be interesting to see how they accumulated the numbers. I will ask the author......
Jake Patterson
08-23-2007, 06:07 PM
Yes, it would be interesting to see how they accumulated the numbers. I will ask the author......
I would be very interested. I feel they are pretty accurate and what many people think about average speed is over-rated. Few can throw 80's and higher.
At the D3 colleges I coached at, it was rare to have a pitcher who threw above 82-83 on a consistent basis.
I'll let ya know what I find out on their data.
Here is the response from the author. By the way, the literature that he refers to is referenced at the end of the PowerPoint presentation.
All the youth, high school, and college data was collected over the past ten years by me and/or my research assistants. The professional data was collected by me or was provided to me by professional baseball organizations. Some of the data has been published in the literature and we are continuing to submit data for future publication. The numbers to which you refer are valid and reliable. As you know, most parents (and some players) have a tendency to overestimate the skills of their kids:-) Go figure!
Ricky
08-24-2007, 10:38 AM
that is pretty cool... looks accurate to me.... it all makes sense at least
Ricky
08-24-2007, 11:03 AM
check this out...
don't really match up real well...especially velocity and bat speed...
http://www.webball.com/cms/page1522.cfm
Those #'s from WebBall are from "coach's submissions," not independent research like the link I posted. Coach's submissions can vary from the "true" data.
scorekeeper
08-24-2007, 02:58 PM
Those #'s from WebBall are from "coach's submissions," not independent research like the link I posted. Coach's submissions can vary from the "true" data.
That doesn’t mean all coach submissions are inflated purposely! However, what does common sense tell anyone about the likelihood of coaches submitting data of the same validity as what the other data purports to be?
And which coaches are more likely to submit something. Would it be coaches who have only “bad” or “normal” players? Do you suppose “all” coaches would submit the data from “all” players?
With technology leaping ahead like it does, look for data collection and the validity of that data to improve significantly in the next decade. And with it, there will be a lot of “bubbles” burst. ;)
Jake Patterson
08-24-2007, 05:45 PM
check this out...
don't really match up real well...especially velocity and bat speed...
http://www.webball.com/cms/page1522.cfm
Based on my experience the numbers on Webball indicate the Best and not the average.
kylebee
08-24-2007, 11:34 PM
At the D3 colleges I coached at, it was rare to have a pitcher who threw above 82-83 on a consistent basis.
I'll let ya know what I find out on their data.
Really? The D3 school I played for had the ace in the mid-high 80's with everyone else sitting 82-85.
Really? The D3 school I played for had the ace in the mid-high 80's with everyone else sitting 82-85.
It was about the same with us. We always had one or two guys who could throw high 80's, but they were never very dependable. For example, they were wild, had arm trouble, got kicked outta school, etc. Most of our guys were like your team--could reach 85, but on a consistent basis, again I would say they were 82-83. I loved coaching D3, but it was tough getting kids to buy into a year-round program in order to improve continually. Too many guys came in as freshman with promising careers, but they were never any better by their senior year. Lack of effort over the summer is a big detriment at D3 level.