The Bitter Rivals Thread

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
Yeah, right. You and I both know that Shiggy is "under-payed". But Shiggy doesn't know that. Don't go putting ideas in his head. :laugh

Only a fool wouldn't want a reliever like Shiggy, so by that, you aren't a fool Mattingly. :D This season he has an ERA so low you need a microscope to see it. 0.62??? Is that even a real number??? That sounds like Mo Rivera's ERA in October.

*Waves $5m contract in front of Shiggy, tells him how much more yen his could earn.*

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
That sounds like Mo Rivera's ERA in October.

*Waves $5m contract in front of Shiggy, tells him how much more yen his could earn.*

You know that Shiggy probably has a better grasp of English and American Economics than most Americans right? When he was in Anaheim, he wrote a book showing Japanese Business men how to survive in America.

The sad thing is you could probably get Gillick to trade Shiggy. :( I want a good GM.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
You know that Shiggy probably has a better grasp of English and American Economics than most Americans right? When he was in Anaheim, he wrote a book showing Japanese Business men how to survive in America.

The sad thing is you could probably get Gillick to trade Shiggy. :( I want a good GM. I'm curious as to how Shiggy knows about surviving in America. I mean, he's making much more than the average businessman, so it would be relative easy to survive, wouldn't it? I mean, if you're an entrepreneur, aren't you always looking for new business prospects and opportunities? As a jock, Shiggy's already got his money guaranteed, even if he gets sick, is out for the season.

If Gillick would let Shiggy go, I'll take him, and let the "How could he?" cries go out. He really deserves in the $5m range, as he's a strong setup man. I guess the Yanks pay more than others, since Gagne makes $550,000, which is about the same that Zito makes, whereas Steve Karsay, our setupman on the post-surgery DL, makes $5m.

Man, we've gotta sign some of these guys on the cheap.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
I'm curious as to how Shiggy knows about surviving in America. I mean, he's making much more than the average businessman, so it would be relative easy to survive, wouldn't it? I mean, if you're an entrepreneur, aren't you always looking for new business prospects and opportunities? As a jock, Shiggy's already got his money guaranteed, even if he gets sick, is out for the season.

If Gillick would let Shiggy go, I'll take him, and let the "How could he?" cries go out. He really deserves in the $5m range, as he's a strong setup man. I guess the Yanks pay more than others, since Gagne makes $550,000, which is about the same that Zito makes, whereas Steve Karsay, our setupman on the post-surgery DL, makes $5m.

Man, we've gotta sign some of these guys on the cheap.

How about this for ya Mattingly: The M's starting rotation, which is considered one of the best in the game this season, makes only about 2 million more than what the Yanks spend on Mussina alone. If you want Freddy, you can have him. You guys shouldn't mind spending 7 million for him. :D

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
How about this for ya Mattingly: The M's starting rotation, which is considered one of the best in the game this season, makes only about 2 million more than what the Yanks spend on Mussina alone. If you want Freddy, you can have him. You guys shouldn't mind spending 7 million for him. :D Teams with smaller payrolls pay less. Mussina's not the only one in that range. Didn't the Dodgers' Kevin Brown set the yardstick deeper with his $105m contract?

I'll take Moose over Freddy anyday, since he's had a more consistent past few seasons. I'd say that Boomer, at 12-4 and about a 4 ERA, is better than Freddy also, and he's got a bad back, is about 39.

Man, can you guys at least beat Boston? Pedro's not out there, win the game.

[drillerman]

ITS GETTING DEEP IN HERE! BETTER GET MY BOOTS.:laugh :laugh

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Teams with smaller payrolls pay less. Mussina's not the only one in that range. Didn't the Dodgers' Kevin Brown set the yardstick deeper with his $105m contract?

I'll take Moose over Freddy anyday, since he's had a more consistent past few seasons. I'd say that Boomer, at 12-4 and about a 4 ERA, is better than Freddy also, and he's got a bad back, is about 39.

Man, can you guys at least beat Boston? Pedro's not out there, win the game.

I think Freddy has a drug problem personally.

Anyway, I know that Mussina isn't the only one. I was using to compare salaries. Now, you said "Teams with smaller payrolls pay less", but the M's have the 5th largest pay roll in baseball. Granted, it's no where near that of the Yankees, Dodgers, or Red Sox, it's still not very small.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
I think Freddy has a drug problem personally.

Anyway, I know that Mussina isn't the only one. I was using to compare salaries. Now, you said "Teams with smaller payrolls pay less", but the M's have the 5th largest pay roll in baseball. Granted, it's no where near that of the Yankees, Dodgers, or Red Sox, it's still not very small. It could be lots of things. Has he had drug problems in the past?

Yeah, you'll never get the same out of TB than you would out of the others. Anaheim's was half of the Yanks' last season, and Oakland was half of Anaheim's, and they all contended.

Anyway, please win the game. I've gotta go for tonight. See ya!

[YankeeMan]

I do believe something must be done about baseball's finances. But it must cut both ways:

Read Fair Ball by Bob Costas -- that's the plan I support.

Further, my contention is the BoSux have the money but the owner would rather have it in his pocket than on the field.

Kinda like Harry Frazee.

[tearforamariner]

The M's might have lost tonight, but it was for a good cause. Boston pulls dead even with Oakland in the WC race, and pulls within 6 games of New York for the East Division Title. Is New York getting a taste of what the Orioles can do? :D

[Hammerin Hank]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
How can you mis-spell Ichiro?

How ironic it is when the word "mis-spell" is misspelled.

[drillerman]

rotflmao:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

[KenFougere]

ESPN.com: Baseball

Friday, August 22, 2003
Boss puts aside rivalry with Red Sox

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Associated Press

BOSTON -- New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner set aside his rivalry with the Red Sox on Friday to make a $10,000 donation to the Jimmy Fund, the longtime Boston charity that works with children with cancer.


"I certainly like the Jimmy Fund and all it stands for," Steinbrenner said in a phone call to WEEI-AM, which held an all-day radiothon that had raised $1Million by 12:00am.


Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck pledged $50,000. Baseball commissioner Bud Selig also called in, pledging $20,000. Red Sox manager Grady Little chipped in $3,000.


The second annual Jimmy Fund radiothon began with a $150-per-person "Breakfast with the Bosses," which was attended by the owners of all four Boston sports teams. Red Sox players Tim Wakefield, Johnny Damon and Scott Sauerbeck were the guests at a $200 lunch; cocktails with old-timers such as Luis Tiant and John Havlicek were $250.


Wakefield, who lost a grandfather and grandmother to cancer, said the donation from Steinbrenner initially surprised him.


"I think it's a wonderful thing that George would actually go out of his way to support an organization with such a rivalry," he said.


Tiant, a retired Red Sox pitcher, lost his father to cancer in 1976. He said the Jimmy Fund is a way to reach out to children who also suffer.


"It's not easy," he said. "You suffer a lot. It's a sickness that's very bad."


Steinbrenner and Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein were in positive spirits to celebrate the fund despite the historic rivalry between their teams.


The Yankees' boss made his donation in honor of Ken Coleman, the longtime Red Sox announcer who died Thursday at age 78. The two were once neighbors in Ohio before they moved to the East Coast.


Steinbrenner, who had just learned of Coleman's death on Friday, called the late announcer a "prince of a fellow."


A funeral service will be held for him Monday morning in Plymouth, Mass. His family has requested that donations be made to the Jimmy Fund.


The Jimmy Fund was established in 1948 to support cancer research at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. It has been the primary charity for the Red Sox since 1953, maintaining a close tie with players from Ted Williams to Trot Nixon.


The fund raised $37.8 million in 2003.

[Mattingly]

Ken, I see that you've reprinted the article I'd posted in the BoSox forum. I was wondering whether to post it here (Current Events) or not. If here, I would've posted it as a separate article, but I guess it makes more sense to post in this thread.

Oh well, welcome back as a BoSux fan, and when your team chokes in another 2-3 weeks, I can rag on you. It's always nice to have another victim (errrr, BoSox fan) to tolerate my smack!
:D :laugh :waving :gt

TFAM, George will always get his man, and yes, price will surely be no object this time! BTW, one good sig deserves another.

[RedSoxFanAtic]

wow.
jeff suppan actually won a game.

and mulder could be out for the year

go sox!

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by RedSoxFanAtic
wow.
jeff suppan actually won a game.

and mulder could be out for the year

go sox! Well, would ya mind making up your mind? Are you "in" or are you "out"? Ahhhh, I thought you'd given up on 2003. :p :D

[KenFougere]

Kim can't do the job, it's as simple as that.

Williamson should be moved up to closer ASAP!!!

[BC498]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Kim can't do the job, it's as simple as that.

Well I could have told you that. :p

Buck up Ken, it is Ron Guidry day. Ahh what a great season 1978 was, wouldn't you say?

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by BC498
Well I could have told you that. :p

Buck up Ken, it is Ron Guidry day. Ahh what a great season 1978 was, wouldn't you say? Do you hang out with YankeeMan much? :rolleyes:

[tearforamariner]

You guys just got lucky. Melvin was ejected. Other wise, We would've gotten Shiggy with it in the 10th.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
You guys just got lucky. Melvin was ejected. Other wise, We would've gotten Shiggy with it in the 10th.

Will somebody please tell me what the hell a 'Shiggy' is? :confused:

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Ken, I see that you've reprinted the article I'd posted in the BoSox forum. I was wondering whether to post it here (Current Events) or not. If here, I would've posted it as a separate article, but I guess it makes more sense to post in this thread.


Sorry, I didn't even think to look to see if it was already posted...

[KenFougere]

Kevin Millar hit a game-winning double off the glove of leaping center fielder Mike Cameron with two outs in the 10th inning, sending the Boston Red Sox over the Seattle Mariners 7-6 Saturday.

Boston won its third in a row and sent the AL West-leading Mariners to their season-high fourth straight loss and a change of team colors for TFA Mariner this week looks likely...

Flashback: July 4th Fireworks at Yankee Stadium . . .

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Will somebody please tell me what the hell a 'Shiggy' is? :confused:

Shigetoshi Hasegawa. Perhaps the best closer in the AL this season. His save record is 13/13, with an ERA of 0.76. His WHIP is 0.94 and his BAA is .215. That's after 59.1 IP.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Do you hang out with YankeeMan much? :rolleyes: Don't be silly. If it gets close, Goose and Bucky *bleeping* Dent will also get their days. Who better to show up to give Beantown good luck?

Hey, Mookie and Buckner are still around, even if my highly *reliable* friend (and I don't mean Tommy Henreich) isn't.

[YankeeMan]

From my "summer home." Pic added 'cause Ken (and other BoSux fans) like lots o' pictures....

And it's one of Ken's favorite places!

[ricucity]

Is that the site of every Red Sox's fans' dreams? I think it is! :p

[drillerman]

yeap.:laugh

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
From my "summer home." Pic added 'cause Ken (and other BoSux fans) like lots o' pictures....

And it's one of Ken's favorite places!


Yeh, Shea's a nice place to see a game...:waving

[drillerman]

rotflmao.:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Yeh, Shea's a nice place to see a game...:waving

Yeah, like game 6 of the World Series... (http://www.baseballreference.com/postseason/1986_WS.shtml)

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Yeah, like game 6 of the World Series... (http://www.baseballreference.com/postseason/1986_WS.shtml) I'm not even gonna click on that link...

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
I'm not even gonna click on that link...

ROFLMAO!

You've become wise to my tricks...

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
ROFLMAO!

You've become wise to my tricks...
With many scars ... does wisdom come.

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken, this one's for you:

History of the World Series - 1986 (http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/worldseries/1986.html)

An unbelievable half-inning capped by a hard-to-fathom at-bat, the last of the 10th forever will be a source of exhilaration for New York Mets fans and devastation for Boston Red Sox followers. The Red Sox, ahead three games to two in the Series after lefthander Bruce Hurst's 4-2 triumph in Game 5, had broken a 3-3 tie in the sixth game when Dave Henderson led off the top of the 10th with a home run against Rick Aguilera. Boston then increased its lead to 5-3 later in the inning as Wade Boggs doubled and Marty Barrett singled him home.

Red Sox reliever Calvin Schiraldi, who had entered the game in the eighth and promptly yielded the run that tied the contest at 3-3, retired the Mets' first two batters in the 10th, Wally Backman and Keith Hernandez, on fly balls. Boston was within one out of its first Series crown since 1918, when Babe Ruth pitched the Beantowners to two victories over the Chicago Cubs.

Gary Carter then kept the Mets' faint hopes alive by rapping a single on a 2-1 pitch and Kevin Mitchell, batting for Aguilera, followed with a one-strike base hit.

Schiraldi proceeded to get a no-ball, two-strike count on New York's Ray Knight. One more strike and the Boston Red Sox would be World Series champions. Knight managed to make contact, though, and looped a single to center field. Carter scored from second, reducing the Mets' deficit to 5-4, and Mitchell moved on to third. Bob Stanley took over for Schiraldi at this point. Then came the at-bat.

Stanley and Mets outfielder Mookie Wilson waged a l0-pitch battle as a frenzied Shea Stadium crowd looked on. Wilson fouled off a 2-1 pitch, bringing Boston within one strike of the Series title for the second time. Mookie then fouled off the next delivery. And the next as well. The Red Sox were oh-so-close.

Stanley's seventh pitch to Wilson was wild, with Mitchell racing home with the game-tying run and Knight advancing to second base. With the count 3-2, Wilson fouled a pitch back. Then he hit a foul ball past third.

Wilson, having hit four fouls off Stanley when the Red Sox's big righthander was one strike from wrapping up this Series, slapped a full-count offering to first baseman Bill Buckner. The grounder somehow got through Buckner's legs, and Knight bolted home on the error. New York, time and again getting extended life, had won, 6-5, and deadlocked the 1986 fall classic.

No one could quite believe what had just unfolded. One thing seemed certain: It would be extremely difficult for Manager John McNamara's Red Sox to rebound from such a crushing setback. While they had shown their mettle in the American League Championship Series -- one strike from elimination in the fifth game, the Red Sox roared back to win the playoffs in seven games -- the Sox had to come to grips with a stunningly painful situation.

The Red Sox needed time to get themselves back together mentally. And they received an unexpected boost in this regard when Game 7 was postponed 24 hours because of rain.

With Hurst seeking his third victory of the Series (besides winning Game 5, he was a 1-0 victor in Game 1), the Red Sox clipped Ron Darling for three second-inning runs in the climactic game when Dwight Evans and Rich Gedman belted back-to-back homers and Boggs delivered an RBI single. Hurst protected the 3O lead until the sixth when New York tied the game on Hernandez's bases-loaded single that scored Lee Mazzilli and Wilson and Carter's looper to right that brought Backman around.

Schiraldi came in to pitch the seventh, and Knight greeted him with a tie-breaking homer. Before the inning was over, Rafael Santana had stroked a run-scoring single and Hernandez had hit a sacrifice fly. The Mets were on top, 6-3.

Boston, shut down in the middle innings by Sid Fernandez, threatened to tie the contest in the eighth as Evans ripped a two-run, no-out double off Roger McDowell. But Jesse Orosco came on and got Gedman to line out, Henderson to strike out and pinch-hitter Don Baylor to bounce out to shortstop Santana.

New York, winner of 108 games, expanded its lead from 6-5 to 8-5 in the last of the eighth when Darryl Strawberry cracked a long homer and Orosco slapped a single up the middle through a drawn-in infield. Orosco then went out and disposed of the Red Sox 1-2-3 in the ninth, and the New York Mets -- 21 1/2-game winners in the 1986 National League East race and heavy World Series favorites -- were the champions everyone expected them to be.

Considering the way the Series began and New York's status with Carter approaching the plate in the 10th inning of Game 6, what everyone expected to happen took considerable time in unfolding. Hurst, with last-inning help from Schiraldi, had set down Manager Dave Johnson's club in Game 1 at New York and Boston belted Mets ace Dwight Gooden en route to a 9-3 second-game victory that featured homers by Henderson and Evans.

New York lefthander Bob Ojeda, acquired from the Red Sox after the 1985 season in an eight-player trade that sent Schiraldi from the Mets to Boston, pitched five-hit ball over seven innings in Game 3 at Fenway Park and the National Leaguers broke through with a 7-1 victory. Lenny Dykstra led off the game with a homer off Dennis "Oil Can" Boyd, and the Mets collected three more runs in the first inning, two scoring on designated hitter Danny Heep's single. (The '86 fall classic was the first under which revised designated-hitter rules were implemented for the Series; now, instead of the designated hitter being used throughout the Series in alternating years, the DH would be employed yearly in games played at the American League participant's park.)

Carter, who had driven home three runs in the third game, collected three more RBIs in the Mets' Series-squaring 6-2 victory in Game 4. He broke a scoreless tie with a two-run homer in the fourth off Al Nipper and smacked a bases-empty shot in the eighth off Steve Crawford. Dykstra connected with a man aboard in the seventh, also off Crawford, as his drive to right field deflected off Evans' glove and sailed over the wall. Winning pitcher Darling walked six batters in a seven-inning effort, but he allowed only four hits and no runs.

Hurst's fifth-game victory, against Gooden, thrust Boston back into the Series lead and set up a Roger Clemens-vs.-Ojeda pitching matchup in Game 6. Clemens was coming off a spectacular season, one in which he had compiled a 24-4 record and set a major-league mark with 20 strikeouts in a nine-inning game. In Game 2 against the Mets, he had gone against Gooden in a ballyhooed duel but lasted only 4 1/3 innings in a Red Sox romp that Crawford wound up winning.

The hard-throwing Clemens left with a 3-2 lead in Game 6 but, of course, did not get the decision in one of the most talked-about games in Series history. As it turned out, neither he nor fireballer Gooden (0-2 against the Sox) won a game in this classic.

The failure of Clemens and Gooden to excel in the Series drew considerable attention. So did Barrett's record-tying 13 hits. And then there was the fact that the Mets became only the second team in World Series history to lose the first two games at home and rally for the championship.

But when it comes to drawing attention, it would be difficult to match what transpired in the last half of the 10th inning in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series.

Rod Serling couldn't have written a better script.

[drillerman]

lol here we go again.:laugh :laugh

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Hey, Ken, this one's for you:

History of the World Series - 1986 (http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/worldseries/1986.html)

An unbelievable half-inning capped by a hard-to-fathom at-bat, the last of the 10th forever will be a source of exhilaration for New York Mets fans and devastation for Boston Red Sox followers. The Red Sox, ahead three games to two in the Series after lefthander Bruce Hurst's 4-2 triumph in Game 5, had broken a 3-3 tie in the sixth game when Dave Henderson led off the top of the 10th with a home run against Rick Aguilera. Boston then increased its lead to 5-3 later in the inning as Wade Boggs doubled and Marty Barrett singled him home.

Red Sox reliever Calvin Schiraldi, who had entered the game in the eighth and promptly yielded the run that tied the contest at 3-3, retired the Mets' first two batters in the 10th, Wally Backman and Keith Hernandez, on fly balls. Boston was within one out of its first Series crown since 1918, when Babe Ruth pitched the Beantowners to two victories over the Chicago Cubs.

Gary Carter then kept the Mets' faint hopes alive by rapping a single on a 2-1 pitch and Kevin Mitchell, batting for Aguilera, followed with a one-strike base hit.

Schiraldi proceeded to get a no-ball, two-strike count on New York's Ray Knight. One more strike and the Boston Red Sox would be World Series champions. Knight managed to make contact, though, and looped a single to center field. Carter scored from second, reducing the Mets' deficit to 5-4, and Mitchell moved on to third. Bob Stanley took over for Schiraldi at this point. Then came the at-bat.

Stanley and Mets outfielder Mookie Wilson waged a l0-pitch battle as a frenzied Shea Stadium crowd looked on. Wilson fouled off a 2-1 pitch, bringing Boston within one strike of the Series title for the second time. Mookie then fouled off the next delivery. And the next as well. The Red Sox were oh-so-close.

Stanley's seventh pitch to Wilson was wild, with Mitchell racing home with the game-tying run and Knight advancing to second base. With the count 3-2, Wilson fouled a pitch back. Then he hit a foul ball past third.

Wilson, having hit four fouls off Stanley when the Red Sox's big righthander was one strike from wrapping up this Series, slapped a full-count offering to first baseman Bill Buckner. The grounder somehow got through Buckner's legs, and Knight bolted home on the error. New York, time and again getting extended life, had won, 6-5, and deadlocked the 1986 fall classic.

No one could quite believe what had just unfolded. One thing seemed certain: It would be extremely difficult for Manager John McNamara's Red Sox to rebound from such a crushing setback. While they had shown their mettle in the American League Championship Series -- one strike from elimination in the fifth game, the Red Sox roared back to win the playoffs in seven games -- the Sox had to come to grips with a stunningly painful situation.

The Red Sox needed time to get themselves back together mentally. And they received an unexpected boost in this regard when Game 7 was postponed 24 hours because of rain.

With Hurst seeking his third victory of the Series (besides winning Game 5, he was a 1-0 victor in Game 1), the Red Sox clipped Ron Darling for three second-inning runs in the climactic game when Dwight Evans and Rich Gedman belted back-to-back homers and Boggs delivered an RBI single. Hurst protected the 3O lead until the sixth when New York tied the game on Hernandez's bases-loaded single that scored Lee Mazzilli and Wilson and Carter's looper to right that brought Backman around.

Schiraldi came in to pitch the seventh, and Knight greeted him with a tie-breaking homer. Before the inning was over, Rafael Santana had stroked a run-scoring single and Hernandez had hit a sacrifice fly. The Mets were on top, 6-3.

Boston, shut down in the middle innings by Sid Fernandez, threatened to tie the contest in the eighth as Evans ripped a two-run, no-out double off Roger McDowell. But Jesse Orosco came on and got Gedman to line out, Henderson to strike out and pinch-hitter Don Baylor to bounce out to shortstop Santana.

New York, winner of 108 games, expanded its lead from 6-5 to 8-5 in the last of the eighth when Darryl Strawberry cracked a long homer and Orosco slapped a single up the middle through a drawn-in infield. Orosco then went out and disposed of the Red Sox 1-2-3 in the ninth, and the New York Mets -- 21 1/2-game winners in the 1986 National League East race and heavy World Series favorites -- were the champions everyone expected them to be.

Considering the way the Series began and New York's status with Carter approaching the plate in the 10th inning of Game 6, what everyone expected to happen took considerable time in unfolding. Hurst, with last-inning help from Schiraldi, had set down Manager Dave Johnson's club in Game 1 at New York and Boston belted Mets ace Dwight Gooden en route to a 9-3 second-game victory that featured homers by Henderson and Evans.

New York lefthander Bob Ojeda, acquired from the Red Sox after the 1985 season in an eight-player trade that sent Schiraldi from the Mets to Boston, pitched five-hit ball over seven innings in Game 3 at Fenway Park and the National Leaguers broke through with a 7-1 victory. Lenny Dykstra led off the game with a homer off Dennis "Oil Can" Boyd, and the Mets collected three more runs in the first inning, two scoring on designated hitter Danny Heep's single. (The '86 fall classic was the first under which revised designated-hitter rules were implemented for the Series; now, instead of the designated hitter being used throughout the Series in alternating years, the DH would be employed yearly in games played at the American League participant's park.)

Carter, who had driven home three runs in the third game, collected three more RBIs in the Mets' Series-squaring 6-2 victory in Game 4. He broke a scoreless tie with a two-run homer in the fourth off Al Nipper and smacked a bases-empty shot in the eighth off Steve Crawford. Dykstra connected with a man aboard in the seventh, also off Crawford, as his drive to right field deflected off Evans' glove and sailed over the wall. Winning pitcher Darling walked six batters in a seven-inning effort, but he allowed only four hits and no runs.

Hurst's fifth-game victory, against Gooden, thrust Boston back into the Series lead and set up a Roger Clemens-vs.-Ojeda pitching matchup in Game 6. Clemens was coming off a spectacular season, one in which he had compiled a 24-4 record and set a major-league mark with 20 strikeouts in a nine-inning game. In Game 2 against the Mets, he had gone against Gooden in a ballyhooed duel but lasted only 4 1/3 innings in a Red Sox romp that Crawford wound up winning.

The hard-throwing Clemens left with a 3-2 lead in Game 6 but, of course, did not get the decision in one of the most talked-about games in Series history. As it turned out, neither he nor fireballer Gooden (0-2 against the Sox) won a game in this classic.

The failure of Clemens and Gooden to excel in the Series drew considerable attention. So did Barrett's record-tying 13 hits. And then there was the fact that the Mets became only the second team in World Series history to lose the first two games at home and rally for the championship.

But when it comes to drawing attention, it would be difficult to match what transpired in the last half of the 10th inning in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series.

Rod Serling couldn't have written a better script.

I know you pasted this but I really wished you had to type this whole thing out yourself...

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by drillerman
lol here we go again.:laugh :laugh Hey, I just got off the phone with George, and he's decided to put Mookie in the newly created Yankee HOF. Hey, no use letting such a great error and all go to waste.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
I know you pasted this but I really wished you had to type this whole thing out yourself... THUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU RED SUX CHOKE!

Now then, does that summarize everything quite nicely? Hey, you guys are only another game 7 away from another messed up winter. It's been 17 years, and it should happen soon, but just not this year. We've gotta win a few first.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Hey, I just got off the phone with George, and he's decided to put Mookie in the newly created Yankee HOF. Hey, no use letting such a great error and all go to waste. Put him in the HOF?
I wouldn't be surprised if George didn't sign him & suit him up with the rest of his gezzers...

[drillerman]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Hey, I just got off the phone with George, and he's decided to put Mookie in the newly created Yankee HOF. Hey, no use letting such a great error and all go to waste.

oh of course not.:laugh :laugh :laugh

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Put him in the HOF?
I wouldn't be surprised if George didn't sign him & suit him up with the rest of his gezzers... Doesn't matter, just tell Pedro to promise to drill the Babe once more and we could put Bob "Mr Baseball" Uecker as our DH out there!

All I know is that if you scratch and claw your way to this October, one of our geezers will be defeating you badly! Care to guess which one?

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by drillerman
oh of course not.:laugh :laugh :laugh It was a great Yankee moment, even if didn't involve the Yanks. Hey, the Babe was involved, so I guess that was a great Yankee moment!

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Doesn't matter, just tell Pedro to promise to drill the Babe once more and we could put Bob "Mr Baseball" Uecker as our DH out there!

All I know is that if you scratch and claw your way to this October, one of our geezers will be defeating you badly! Care to guess which one?

We handle Clemens in the playoffs just fine.
We've done OK vs Wells too this year.

Orosco? I don't think so...:rolleyes:

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
We handle Clemens in the playoffs just fine.
We've done OK vs Wells too this year.

Orosco? I don't think so...:rolleyes: Yes, but Little Pedro may not be there this time. Gee, I'm wondering if his Little Cuff is feeling bad? He may just not be able to contribute this October.

We'll have Rocket, Moose, Andy and hopefully, Contreras, who pitched 7 innings in a 7-0 Yankee win tonight. Gee, not bad, eh?

I'm so glad that your guys watched us smack Baltimore around. Did I mention that Oakland won 17-2 today? Awwwww, ain't that too bad.
:laugh :D :p :gt

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Yes, but Little Pedro may not be there this time. Gee, I'm wondering if his Little Cuff is feeling bad? He may just not be able to contribute this October.

"Little Pedro"?

Little Pedro has the flew. He'll be just fine, so don't be worrying about facing him just yet, as you obviously are, he'll strike-out another 17 Yankees next time...OK?
:p

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
"Little Pedro"?

Little Pedro has the flew. He'll be just fine, so don't be worrying about facing him just yet, as you obviously are, he'll strike-out another 17 Yankees next time...OK?
:p He's not Little? Looks like it to me, pal.

When Pedro K's 17 Yanks again, let me know. Wasn't that in 1999 at Yankee Stadium? That must've been his best years, 4 years ago. Right now, I think that Fossum's having to do his dirty work for him.

[YankeeMan]

MATTINGLY -- Now I admire your veracity but we need to work on your delivery...

You have to remember a few things:

Most BoSux fans can't read -- at the risk of sounding redundant -- they're retarded.* So you wanna be short and sweet. So instead of "In game 6 of the 1986 World Series <blah-blah-blah>" break it down in terms that are instantly understood by all. <see pic below>



*Let me appologize in advance to all illiterate and retarded people everywhere -- it's just a joke -- I don't mean to imply that retards/illterates are BoSux fans. I know most of you "special needs" people are smarter than that. ;)

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
MATTINGLY -- Now I admire your veracity but we need to work on your delivery...

You have to remember a few things:

Most BoSox fans can't read -- at the risk of sounding redundant -- they're retarded.* So you wanna be short and sweet. So instead of "In game 6 of the 1986 World Series <blah-blah-blah>" break it down in terms that are instantly understood by all. <see pic below>



*Let me apologize in advance to all illiterate and retarded people everywhere -- it's just a joke -- I don't mean to imply that retards/illiterates are BoSox fans. I know most of you "special needs" people are smarter than that. ;) As a Red Sox fan being both, illiterate and retarded, I find your statement judgemental and a bit on the offensive side...:rolleyes:

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
As a Red Sox fan being both, illiterate and retarded, I find your statement judgemental and a bit on the offensive side...:rolleyes:

Ya' see what I'm talking about Mattingly? ;)

LOL.


This is my 869th post. -- Reminds me of an address:
869 River Ave, The Bronx, NY 10451

[drillerman]

Originally posted by KenFougere
As a Red Sox fan being both, illiterate and retarded, I find your statement judgemental and a bit on the offensive side...:rolleyes:
ROTFLMAO:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

[RedSoxFanAtic]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Well, would ya mind making up your mind? Are you "in" or are you "out"? Ahhhh, I thought you'd given up on 2003. :p :D

I already told you, I'll conyinue to root for them and hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I've lost hope that they'll be legitimate contenders for the title this year. Doesn't make me a bad fan, just realistic, and doesn't mean I can't be happy when they have some success. Fact is, I'm really really dissapointed with the way this team has played in the past 6 weeks.
they showed great improvement, and I think the mgt is trying hard, but i just think they still have too many weaknesses and problems to put it all together. Ah well, what can you do?

I'll watch when I can and I'll pull for them, but I fear they'll not go far this year. I'd still like to see them make the playoffs - that would at least be fun.

[KenFougere]

Did you guys see Yaz's incredible catch on opening day at Yankee Stadium 1967? It saved the pitcher's( first game ) no-hitter in the 9th.
They showed the tape during tonight's game on ESPN. What an amazing catch! AND it was against New York too... :D

[NickG]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Did you guys see Yaz's incredible catch on opening day at Yankee Stadium 1967? It saved the pitcher's( first game ) no-hitter in the 9th.
They showed the tape during tonight's game on ESPN. What an amazing catch! AND it was against New York too... :D

A Boston Red Sox highlight film?

Must have been pretty short...

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Did you guys see Yaz's incredible catch on opening day at Yankee Stadium 1967? It saved the pitcher's( first game ) no-hitter in the 9th.
They showed the tape during tonight's game on ESPN. What an amazing catch! AND it was against New York too... :D

Yep, seen it. Catch of Tresh's drive. 2 hitters later (2 out in bottom of the 9th) Elston Howard breaks up Rohr's no-hit bid (9 IP, 0 R, 2 K, 5 BB and only 1 hit.)

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Yep, seen it. Catch of Tresh's drive. 2 hitters later (2 out in bottom of the 9th) Elston Howard breaks up Rohr's no-hit bid (9 IP, 0 R, 2 K, 5 BB and only 1 hit.)


How ironic, considering where he {E. Howard} ended up later in the season... :rolleyes:

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
MATTINGLY -- Now I admire your veracity but we need to work on your delivery...

You have to remember a few things:

Most BoSux fans can't read -- at the risk of sounding redundant -- they're retarded.* So you wanna be short and sweet. So instead of "In game 6 of the 1986 World Series <blah-blah-blah>" break it down in terms that are instantly understood by all. <see pic below>


*Let me appologize in advance to all illiterate and retarded people everywhere -- it's just a joke -- I don't mean to imply that retards/illterates are BoSux fans. I know most of you "special needs" people are smarter than that. ;) Well, could the average BoSux fan actually read and understand this? With the exception of Ken, I mean. Hmmmm, can he even understand this then? I guess we'll have to go to a higher source?

Yankee fans, anyone? :D :p ;) :laugh

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by RedSoxFanAtic
I already told you, I'll conyinue to root for them and hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I've lost hope that they'll be legitimate contenders for the title this year. Doesn't make me a bad fan, just realistic, and doesn't mean I can't be happy when they have some success. Fact is, I'm really really dissapointed with the way this team has played in the past 6 weeks.
they showed great improvement, and I think the mgt is trying hard, but i just think they still have too many weaknesses and problems to put it all together. Ah well, what can you do?

I'll watch when I can and I'll pull for them, but I fear they'll not go far this year. I'd still like to see them make the playoffs - that would at least be fun. That's fine. I guess that in the end, if Seattle doesn't do you guys in, then we'll have to. Either way, it could be fun!

Mmmmmmm, pass the popcorn, please! :D :) :laugh

[tearforamariner]

That's a horrid sig line Mattingly.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
How ironic, considering where he {E. Howard} ended up later in the season... :rolleyes: Yeah, got traded to Beantown, then was on the *losing* end of the 1967 WS, whereas Roger Maris was on the *winning* end of it, so I guess which club you go to depends upon whether you're a winner or a loserboy. I think that somebody on this thread has a tape of that event, but I'm not sure who? :D :p

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/chronology/1955MAY.stm#day7 (from 1955)

Saturday, May 7th
IN THE NEWS: Backed by Elston Howard's first ML homer, and Mickey Mantle's tie breaker to dead CF in the 8th, the visiting Yanks overpower the Red Sox, 9–6. The Yanks spot Boston a 5–0 lead before roaring back with three in the 9th.

New York Yankees 9, Boston Red Sox 6 at Fenway Park

[Hammerin Hank]

How about Sammy in pinstripes too for next season? He's past his prime now and will only be going downhill. You guys did make offers for him a couple years ago.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
That's a horrid sig line Mattingly. Pot to kettle: you calling me black?

Who's that? Johnny Pesky? I don't recognize him offhand. Hey, couldn't you at least wait until Pedro smacks you guys around once more before coming up with that godawful sig? I mean, Little Pedro just came off the doctor induced DL, so why not?

Oh, I hope you guys can at least do us some kind of favors, since losing to Beantown this late in the season is crazy. I think we'll have to do the job ourselves next time.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
How about Sammy in pinstripes too for next season? He's past his prime now and will only be going downhill. You guys did make offers for him a couple years ago. No way, we've already had our share of past their prime players. The Reds tried passing off Junior onto us, but we wouldn't bite. We might as well take Albert Belle off Baltimore's hands in that case.

For RF in 2004, I expect Juan Rivera platooning with Karim Garcia, both of whom have strong arms and decent bats, play the corner spots. Until Bernie's ready to hang em up in a few years, I don't see any overpriced or overhyped corner OF coming our way soon.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Pot to kettle: you calling me black?

Who's that? Johnny Pesky? I don't recognize him offhand. Hey, couldn't you at least wait until Pedro smacks you guys around once more before coming up with that godawful sig? I mean, Little Pedro just came off the doctor induced DL, so why not?

Oh, I hope you guys can at least do us some kind of favors, since losing to Beantown this late in the season is crazy. I think we'll have to do the job ourselves next time.

Don't let Ken hear you not recognize Yaz.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Ya' see what I'm talking about Mattingly? ;)

LOL.

This is my 869th post. -- Reminds me of an address:
869 River Ave, The Bronx, NY 10451
Hey, Ken's the real standup guy who handles all of our mess. He's good, since who else would deal with us like this?

Yankee Stadium has an address? I thought it was just "161st St and River Ave". In fact, I once delivered something there (refunds from the last ALCS games :(), and the countergirl asked if UPS would recognize that address. I reminded her that if any UPS driver didn't know where Yankee Stadium was, he should be fired.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
Don't let Ken hear you not recognize Yaz. Oh, that's him? I'd offered to dig up a picture of Teddy before when I lost, but he insisted upon a regular av here. Must've made an exception.

I've seen Teddy countless times, but I almost never see any pictures of Yaz. Does he hide out or something why he's not so publicly visible? Every picture Ken shows of him shows his back and #8.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Oh, that's him? I'd offered to dig up a picture of Teddy before when I lost, but he insisted upon a regular av here. Must've made an exception.

I've seen Teddy countless times, but I almost never see any pictures of Yaz. Does he hide out or something why he's not so publicly visible? Every picture Ken shows of him shows his back and #8.

I asked if I could wear Yaz and he said Sure. I have no idea why you don't see Yaz more often in the public eye. He was an incredible player. Maybe Ken can help us out with that one.

[Hammerin Hank]

I was wondering why exactly you ditched the old Mariner avatar.

[Zito75]

Dear Boston,

Thanks for beating the M's again. You can have the Wild Card, we'll take the WEST.

Kindest Regards,

Oakland

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Pot to kettle: you calling me black?

Who's that? Johnny Pesky? Excuse me? The year the pic was taken, the player you see just won his 1st AL batting title...

Oh, I hope you guys can at least do us some kind of favors, since losing to Beantown this late in the season is crazy. I think we'll have to do the job ourselves next time.
Looking forward to it...alot!

Our starters are in a groove and our bats are alive and well again, especially the middle of the order. Oh ya, really looking forward to it . . .

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
I was wondering why exactly you ditched the old Mariner avatar.

Still wondering?

[Hammerin Hank]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
Still wondering?

Is he some sort of personal idol of yours? I know that the Red Sox are your second favorite team, correct?

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
I asked if I could wear Yaz and he said Sure. I have no idea why you don't see Yaz more often in the public eye. He was an incredible player. Maybe Ken can help us out with that one. I have a tape of him from ESPN Classic, but his face isn't as recognizable as others like Teddy, Babe, Gehrig, Willie, Hank or Stan the Man. In fact, I recognize Buckner's face more than Yaz'.

Does Yaz get out in public? He doesn't even have a clear picture of himself on his own website.

www.yaz8.com

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
Is he some sort of personal idol of yours? I know that the Red Sox are your second favorite team, correct?

Lost a bet to Ken. And Yaz actually is an Idol of mine

[Hammerin Hank]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
Lost a bet to Ken. And Yaz actually is an Idol of mine


Ahh, the wagers thread. I'd get involved in there but I don't want to risk losing my avatar and have to wear one of some player or team I dislike.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Looking forward to it...alot!

Our starters are in a groove and our bats are alive and well again, especially the middle of the order. Oh ya, really looking forward to it . . .

Ken it was an honor losing to the Red Sox. We have maintained our lead in the West, and your boys move forward.

[Hammerin Hank]

But a five-game losing streak for the M's. Ouch! You're losing ground fast you know, even though the A's are an injured team.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
Ahh, the wagers thread. I'd get involved in there but I don't want to risk losing my avatar and have to wear one of some player or team I dislike.

I was in a real groove. First the M's sweep the Tigers and Racosun has to wear an M's av for a week. Than the M's take the Yankees down, and Mattingly had to wear a sigline and an M's av for a week. But the M's lost to the Red Sox. :( Actually, I might keep Yaz as my av after this.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
But a five-game losing streak for the M's. Ouch! You're losing ground fast you know, even though the A's are an injured team.

Shaddup :D. Just kidding. The M's will bounce back.

[Hammerin Hank]

The M's are lucky to be in the position they're in. Even if something dreadful happens and they lose the division lead, they still have an exellent shot at the WC.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Looking forward to it...alot!

Our starters are in a groove and our bats are alive and well again, especially the middle of the order. Oh ya, really looking forward to it . . . Lowe's still inconsistent, Suppan only had about 1 decent start, and your pen's been getting lit just like ours. In the end, we have Mo, you have Kim, and I'll put my bets on a healthy and rested Mo.

Make me an offer in the "wager" thread, since we play this weekend. You would look so great wearing a Yankee sig (like YM's) and the av I'm presently sporting. Hey, he used to pitch for you guys, didn't he? He even helped you win it all in NINETEEN EIGHTEEN!

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
Ken it was an honor losing to the Red Sox. We have maintained our lead in the West, and your boys move forward. How could it be an honor losing to the Red Sox? I hate losing any series, and since Pedro is up next, you guys seriously face the business end of the big broom!

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
I asked if I could wear Yaz and he said Sure. I have no idea why you don't see Yaz more often in the public eye. He was an incredible player. Maybe Ken can help us out with that one.
Since his retirement he lives in Boca' He's an avid fisherman and golfer and loves his privacy. He comes to Fenway a couple of times a year. He'll do special assignments for the Sox when asked, like scout a prospect...



Here's the best Yaz face pic I have...

[Hammerin Hank]

I'm sure we could change that with a little photoshop editing. Black out a tooth or two and add a mustache and what not.:laugh

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
I'm sure we could change that with a little photoshop editing. Black out a tooth or two and add a mustache and what not.:laugh
Blaspheme! :evil :evil :evil

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Yeah, got traded to Beantown, then was on the *losing* end of the 1967 WS, whereas Roger Maris was on the *winning* end of it, so I guess which club you go to depends upon whether you're a winner or a loserboy. I think that somebody on this thread has a tape of that event, but I'm not sure who? :D :p

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/chronology/1955MAY.stm#day7 (from 1955)

Saturday, May 7th
IN THE NEWS: Backed by Elston Howard's first ML homer, and Mickey Mantle's tie breaker to dead CF in the 8th, the visiting Yanks overpower the Red Sox, 9–6. The Yanks spot Boston a 5–0 lead before roaring back with three in the 9th.

New York Yankees 9, Boston Red Sox 6 at Fenway Park

It's "Current" events...

[Hammerin Hank]

Oh, calm down! It's not like I would actually go up to him in person and start drawing on his face with a sharpie!

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Oh, that's him? I'd offered to dig up a picture of Teddy before when I lost, but he insisted upon a regular av here. Must've made an exception.

Because...


He's not a Yankee-man! :laugh

[RedSoxFanAtic]

Originally posted by Zito75
Dear Boston,

Thanks for beating the M's again. You can have the Wild Card, we'll take the WEST.

Kindest Regards,

Oakland


Dear Oakland,

Thanks for losing Mulder for the season and for Zito not being any good this year. Make the playoffs all you want, your not going anywhere anways.

Sincerly,
Boston

[Captain Cold Nose]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
Oh, calm down! It's not like I would actually go up to him in person and start drawing on his face with a sharpie!

Like you could.

[BoSox Rule]

Dear New York,

I hate you all.

Love,
BoSox Rule

[BC498]

Dear Boston,

Love you too. Thanks for the franchise's foundation and Fenway. Need bigger seats, pitching. It's only an 85 year drought.


Love Always,
BC498

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by BC498
Dear Boston,

Love you too. Thanks for the franchise's foundation and Fenway. Need bigger seats, pitching. It's only an 85 year drought.


Love Always,
BC498 Now Now . .

[KenFougere]

David Ortiz is

H O T !

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule
Dear New York,

I hate you all.

Love,
BoSox Rule

Dear Boston,

We know and we don't care.

Love,

-NYY

[ricucity]

My English teacher asked today if anyone was a Yankees fan. I raised my hand, and she said, "I hate you already. You should drop out of this class. The only thing I hate more than Yankees fans are...well, no one. If you EVER wear Yankees apparel, you will be thrown out of this class."

I am going to wear my Yankees shirt tomorrow. Stupid Red Sox fans. But she is hot and I have to deal with her for 20 weeks, so I might as well come to class with the latest box scores for the BoSux. I get extra credit for naming sports stars. :)

[KenFougere]

Pedro still unbeaten against the Mariners, completes the 4 game sweep... ;)

TFAM: Does a sweep mean two weeks? I forget... :D

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
It's "Current" events... Yeah, I'll excuse you for avoiding the past if it hasn't been particularly nice to you. Hey, it's been great to us!

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule
Dear New York,

I hate you all.

Love,
BoSox Rule You hate us and you've gained ground on us recently? I figure you must know what the inevitable September results will be, right? Hee, hee! :D :p :laugh

[Mattingly]

Dear Seattle,

Thanks for failing to win the 3rd game, since you knew in advance Pedro wasn't going to ruin his rep. Enjoy your country clubbing, and make sure you see Tiger and everyone down there. In the meanwhile, at least cheer on the Yanks, since you've done us no favors this 4-game series.

Thank you.

Regards,

Da Bronx

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by KenFougere
[B]Since his retirement he lives in Boca' He's an avid fisherman and golfer and loves his privacy. He comes to Fenway a couple of times a year. He'll do special assignments for the Sox when asked, like scout a prospect...




Here's one that I found at the Hall of Fame website I really like:

[Mattingly]

TFAM, thanks for that last pic. I'd been embarrassed not knowing what Yaz looked like, despite having seen a gazillion pics of Teddy and even Spaceman.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
TFAM, thanks for that last pic. I'd been embarrassed not knowing what Yaz looked like, despite having seen a gazillion pics of Teddy and even Spaceman.

No problem. So, did everyone enjoy tonight's game? :D Yankees get SLAUGHTERED, Boston loses, and the M's win. Now if only Oakland would lose today. You know, those are some pesky birds flying out of Baltimore. If they take two from the A's in this series, they will have either won or split series with each of the Top 4 teams in the AL (NY, Seattle, Boston, and Oakland).

[drillerman]

and meanwhile in the rather stagnent N.L. Central not much has happened since the last time we checked houstons still leading by 1/2 game over the cubbies.

[Hammerin Hank]

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
No problem. So, did everyone enjoy tonight's game? :D Yankees get SLAUGHTERED, Boston loses, and the M's win. Now if only Oakland would lose today. You know, those are some pesky birds flying out of Baltimore. If they take two from the A's in this series, they will have either won or split series with each of the Top 4 teams in the AL (NY, Seattle, Boston, and Oakland). Had the Yanks won, it would've been a miserable day at Ken's house. Just think, their two WC opponents would've taken a step up, they'd have lost a game in the standings, and even after sweeping Seattle, they still lose ground.

Oh well, I'll have to ask Roger and the dead wood to cooperate next time. :mad: :o

[SoxRule21]

It wasn't Roger, the Yanks just ran into the best pitcher in the A.L. LOAIZA

[KenFougere]

Red Sox come from behind & take it ; 6-3..... :cool:

[drillerman]

yeah go red sox win the wild card then win the world series.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by SoxRule21
It wasn't Roger, the Yanks just ran into the best pitcher in the A.L. LOAIZA Roger's mother's dying. I'll give all the credit in the world to Loaiza, but Roger's not usually that bad. I'm hoping he gets even a little bit of slack from that stinker game.

Besides, if you don't give Roger any slack, I'll say it was all your fault and you're to blame. :D :p :laugh

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by drillerman
yeah go red sox win the wild card then win the world series. Yes, but who plays 1B in game 6? Who holds the ball? Who watches the opponent's HR over the green monster? How does it so unmercifully end in game 7?

Inquiring baseball minds want to know! :D ;) :laugh

[YankeeMan]

Well, it's that time again boyz -n- girlz. Yanks vs. BoSux starting tommarow night in Fenway.

[drillerman]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Yes, but who plays 1B in game 6? Who holds the ball? Who watches the opponent's HR over the green monster? How does it so unmercifully end in game 7?

Inquiring baseball minds want to know! :D ;) :laugh

well i'm sure buckner would come out of retirement to play 1B.
:laugh ;) :D

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Well, it's that time again boyz -n- girlz. Yanks vs. BoSux starting tommarow night in Fenway.

Will it be a repeat of the last time the two teams met YankeeMan? :D

[YankeeMan]

Nope. I think the Yanks take 2 of 3 from the BoSux this time around.

[KenFougere]

OK...
How much did it cost George to not face Mark Buehrle and instead face a rookie that walks batters for a living?
NY was very lucky to squeak a win out yesterday. After the first inning gift they managed only 4 hits for the rest of the game. If Chicago's starter was a major league pitcher instead of the human walkathon, they probably would have lost.
Well, at least Mussina out of the weekend series...
I'm looking for at least 2 of 3 in both remaining series with New York . . .


A third of an inning - FOUR WALKS . . .

[YankeeMan]

Series to date:

[Mattingly]

It Couldn't Get Better Than 1978 - Thrilling playoff perfectly capped stunning season (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-comeback293433135aug29,0,97799.story?coll=ny-sports-utility)

By Bob Herzog
STAFF WRITER

August 29, 2003

For five months, the 1978 baseball season sizzled like a lit fuse, burning with intensity until the timer was tripped at Fenway Park in Boston on Sept. 7. That's when the real Yankee fireworks began.

Today, the Red Sox will try to create some history of their own as they start a three-game series with the Yankees.

Twenty-five years ago, the Yankees began a four-day offensive display so awesome that it still lives in infamy in New England lore. Say the words Boston Massacre on any street from Cambridge to the Cape and not many people will mistake the reference for the prelude to the Revolutionary War.

"Everyone looked at that series as an opportunity to get back into the race," Willie Randolph, the Yankees' second baseman in 1978, recalled of a set of circumstances so symmetrical they seemed predetermined: First-place Boston led the second-place Yankees by four games entering a four-game series at Fenway. "The guys were embarrassed by how we had played up to that point and this was an opportunity we could not pass up."

The embarrassment was derived from another set of circumstances that was anything but symmetrical. "Dysfunctional" doesn't begin to describe what went on that season.

Cantankerous, heavy-drinking manager Billy Martin called slugger Reggie Jackson a liar and referred to owner George Steinbrenner as convicted ... in the same sentence. He was forced to resign the next day, but a few days later, Martin was introduced to the Stadium crowd on Oldtimers Day as the Yankees' manager for two seasons hence.

Jackson defied Martin's orders that season by bunting with two strikes, earning a five-game suspension. Reliever Sparky Lyle, the Cy Young winner in 1977, repeatedly asked to be traded after being demoted to the setup role by the acquisition of free agent Rich Gossage. There were clubhouse cliques with open disdain for one another. No wonder the players welcomed a late-summer newspaper strike that ceased publication of the Times, Daily News and Post.

"It got really, really quiet around here [without so many reporters] and that really helped us," Randolph said. "For the first time all year, we could come to the ballpark and just focus on the game."

Such was the tattered state of the Yankees in mid-summer that on July 18 they trailed the Red Sox by 14 games. A couple of days later, Steinbrenner ripped his team in a memorable pregame clubhouse address.

Jackson said it is what he remembers most from all that transpired in that bizarre season. "George came into the clubhouse and said, 'I'm going to back up the truck and get rid of all of you guys, everybody, if we don't get it turned around,' " Jackson recalled. "It was an unbelievable tirade. Whether that motivated us or not, I don't know. I think it made us mad. George yelled at us. Told us we were terrible, that he was going to break up the club and that nobody was above being traded."

It became clear that with all the Yankees' inner turmoil, some key injuries and the fact that the Red Sox were 51-19 after 70 games, it was going to take a miracle to accomplish their goal of successfully defending their 1977 world championship. But the Yankees flourished under Martin's replacement, Bob Lemon, and his laid-back style. "I think when Lemon came in and brought that calm hand, he basically said, 'I'm not going to do anything. I'm just going to let them play and sit here and watch,' " Jackson said.

"Lemon was the guy," Randolph said. "He didn't even know the names of the guys. He'd just call everyone 'Meat.' 'Hey, Meat, how you doing? Way to go, Meat.' We just went out and played our game. That was very instrumental in us getting a nice little focus, a little groove leading up to the Boston Massacre."

By the time they arrived at Fenway Park for that fateful four-game series, the Yankees had demonstrated that they not only believed in miracles, they believed in each other. "Boston was playing tremendous baseball. All we were trying to do was keep track of how many games we had left against them," said Chris Chambliss, the Yankees' first baseman in 1978. "There were a lot of them after July, when we were 14 games out. [Nine of the 15 scheduled games with Boston were played in August and September.] We were counting the games left against them because we felt that's how we could make up ground. We had that kind of confidence."

The Yankees won 12 of 16 from mid-July to early August to trim the lead to seven, but they lost both games in New York to the Red Sox, blowing a big chance to gain additional ground.

Still, Boston heard footsteps. "I don't think that we were ever 14 games better than the Yankees. We just got on a hot streak [early] and they were playing poorly," said Don Zimmer, the Boston manager in 1978. "I knew they were better than that. I don't think the club I had was ever overconfident to where they thought they had something won. I don't think anybody - especially when it's the Yankees chasing you - thought it was over."

The Yankees finally caught the Sox in stunning fashion in the Boston Massacre. The game scores were 15-3, 13-2, 7-0 and 7-4. That's four wins, 42 runs and 67 hits for the Yankees; zero wins, nine runs and 21 hits for Boston. With 20 games left, both teams were 86-56.

"What do good teams do when they've got their backs up against the wall?" Randolph said. "They come out fighting. We just kept attacking, attacking. We were very relentless. That was a proud group of guys, very professional, guys who really wanted to defend their championship. We took it personally; we had a chip on our shoulders, and until someone knocked it off, we weren't going to give it up."

Lou Piniella, the Yankees' rightfielder/DH in '78, still beams at the memory of a mission accomplished. "You fall behind 14 ballgames and a lot of teams would have packed it in. Well, this team didn't. It had confidence in itself," Piniella said. "It was a special group of players. A team that in the clubhouse didn't always get along so well, but when the umpire said 'Play ball,' played awfully well on the field. For us to be world champions, we had to beat Boston five straight times in their own ballpark [counting the playoff game], and that's exactly what happened."

The sweep stunned the Sox. "How can a team get 30-something games over .500 in July, then in September see its pitching, hitting and fielding all fall apart at the same time?" Boston catcher Carlton Fisk wondered.

NBC announcer Tony Kubek wryly commented during the series, "This is the first time I've seen a first-place team chasing a second-place team." And Newsday columnist Joe Gergen wrote after the third game, "The Yankees are a game behind and drawing away."

But after the laughter subsided, the Red Sox turned serious. Though they lost two out of three in New York the following weekend, they did not surrender. "Everybody said the Red Sox choked, but I hate that word in sports," Zimmer said. "You hear it all the time. When the Yankees went ahead by 3½ games, a lot of people said, 'The Red Sox are gone.' It looked pretty bad, no doubt about it. Then we started playing well again and we came back. The last eight games were phenomenal. They had a one-game lead on us. Every day we had to win 'cause they would win. Then finally on the last day, Rick Waits [of Cleveland] beat them and we won [behind Luis Tiant] and wound up in the one-game playoff."

The Red Sox had survived a massacre, but they were doomed to experience further torment. The one-game playoff on Oct. 2 at Fenway Park matched two teams with 99-63 records but with far different heritages. The Bucky Dent Game, as those same fans from Cambridge to the Cape refer to the Yankees' 5-4 division-clinching victory with loathing and despair, simply followed the path of history of the two teams since Babe Ruth was traded from Boston to New York before the 1920 season. The Red Sox come close; the Yankees prevail in the end.

"A guy steps up and hits the game-winning home run, the odds were probably a thousand to one that he'd do that," Lyle said of light-hitting teammate Dent. "But that's what the Yankees were about. Somebody always found a way."

Lyle offered a fascinating take on the Yankees-Red Sox playoff game: He said the Yankees welcomed, not feared, a tie after 162 games. "Even when we saw we were going to catch them, everybody on that team wanted that one-game playoff," Lyle said. "Well, I can't speak for every guy, but a lot of them just felt that this would not be the way to finish that season, by either of us winning by a game and knocking the other one out of there. The one-game playoff was really the culmination; it was the best thing that could have happened that year. Settle the damn thing once and for all."

Twenty-five years later, Red Sox Nation still has a score to settle.

Where They Stood

1978 American League East standings after games of July 18:

Team W L Avg. GB

Boston 62 28 .688 --- Milwaukee 53 37 .589 9

Baltimore 51 42 .548 12½

Yankees 48 42 .533 14

1978 AL East standings after games of Oct. 1:

Yankees 99 63 .611 --- Boston 99 63 .611 --- Milwaukee 93 69 .574 6

Baltimore 90 71 .559 8½
Copyright © 2003, Newsday, Inc.

[YankeeMan]

from ESPN.com


Stealing signs? That's 'RIDICULOUS'
If the Sox weren't laughing after the four-game sweep of the Mariners, they are now. The Mariners on Aug. 25 implied the Sox had stolen signs at Fenway Park over the weekend, the Boston Herald reported Aug. 27. "That's ridiculous," Kevin Millar told the Herald. "Put it in big, bold letters: RIDICULOUS. Give credit where credit is due and admit you're facing a good offensive team." According to the Herald, one Sox executive laughed at the quotes and said: "Good, it means we're in their heads and that will only help us if we see them in the first round (of the playoffs)."

I don't believe they are... but I'll be watching them closely... ;)

[YankeeMan]

You don't have to steal the signs if our pitcher can't find the strike zone!

[KenFougere]

:D :waving :)

[YankeeMan]

Oh yeah...?!
Here's one!

[YankeeMan]

Since BoSux fans probably don't read the NY Daily News (www.nydailynews), thought I'd post this article...


These Sox not laboring over curse
By ROGER RUBIN
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

BOSTON - Yankees fans have heard this all before. The Red Sox mount an August threat and there comes a collective cry from the North: "This year things will different." Meanwhile the tally over the past 84 years has grown to 26 World Series titles for the Yanks and none for the Sox.
But what if this year is different?

Certainly this edition of the Red Sox is unlike any of the recent ones. Their nonchalance regarding this weekend's series with the Yanks says they are loose. Their penchant for making comebacks says they are resilient. And their insistence that the playoff picture won't be clear until the season's final week says their resolve is steely.

"We're right in it and we're going now, playing good ball," said first baseman Kevin Millar. "We're prepared for this to go right to the last weekend of the season.

"We're done worrying about the other teams. We're just going to worry about ourselves. We win games, the rest takes care of itself. Division or wild card, it doesn't make a difference."

Eight days ago, the Sox went through the type of crisis that might have sent them sliding in other years. The bullpen blew two late-game leads against Oakland in devastating losses. Those put the Sox 71/2 games behind the Yanks in the AL East and twogames back of the A's for the wild card. Pessimism, fueled by the history of late season failures, mounted outside the clubhouse.

But not inside. The Red Sox responded by reeling off six wins in seven games including a four-game sweep of the Mariners and Wednesday night's toppling of Toronto and Cy Young favorite Roy Halladay. "It's a good clubhouse with no quit in it," Millar said.

They're 4-1/2 games back of the Yanks. They're even with the Mariners for the wild card. And they're rolling.

"We could ask for better (circumstances), but we're not going to get that now," manager Grady Little said. "We have stepped up all season when the schedule got a little tough on us and the competition got a little tough and I look for that to happen again . . . but we know nothing is going to come easy."

"A lot of the players on this team are the same as last year, but there is a different feeling in here," center fielder Johnny Damon says. "There is a greater feeling of self-confidence. We don't let losing a game or two take hold of us."

Boston's 45 home wins lead the AL and its .291 team batting average is 11 points better than second-place Toronto. Plus the Sox are getting career years from plenty of players.

Jason Varitek has career highs in home runs (22) and RBI (79); Bill Mueller is second in the AL in average (.327) and has career highs in home runs (16) and RBI (67); Millar has a career best in home runs (22); and David Ortiz has bests in home runs (21) and RBI (75).

In addition to the self-confidence, Damon said fatigue won't be the stretch-drive factor it was in last year's fade from contention. The weak bench of Tony Clark, Rickey Henderson, Carlos Baerga and Jose Offerman forced Little to overwork position players. But Little uses Ortiz, Damian Jackson, David McCarty and Gabe Kapler often.

"Not being tired can make a huge difference at this time of year," Damon said.

But perhaps the biggest thing the Sox have going for them is a new attitude, especially about the Yankees. In years past, the club might be hanging all its hopes on a series like the one starting tonight and a shot to maybe get within a half-game by Labor Day.

"When we start thinking a game against the Yankees is more important than any other game, that's when we get into trouble," Ortiz said. "We win because we play loose and thinking like that stops you from playing loose."

Is this the year?
Naaah.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Oh yeah...?!
Here's one!


C U R R E N T !

C U R R E N T !

C U R R E N T !


--------------- 2 0 0 3 ---------------


{Have your parents write it down for you...}

[KenFougere]

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E

Yankees 2 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 0

Boston 3 0 0 4 1 2 0 0 10 14 0

[YankeeMan]

The BoSux streak of futility is still current!

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Since BoSux fans probably don't read the NY Daily News (www.nydailynews), thought I'd post this article...


Is this the year?
Naaah.

Just for you to mention this.....
Speaks volumes . . . :waving

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
The BoSux streak of futility is still current! October 1, 1978
is not 'current' for most of us . . .:rolleyes:

[YankeeMan]

Funny, I don't remember the BoSux winning the World Series?

So the streak is still current.

It's just a matter of "how are they gonna choke this time?"

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Funny, I don't remember the BoSux winning the World Series?

So the streak is still current.

It's just a matter of "how are they gonna choke this time?"
We weren't the team who coughed up a fur ball tonight! :laugh

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
We weren't the team who coughed up a fur ball tonight! :laugh

Nor are you in first place.

[drillerman]

HUH the spankees and redsox are playing wow. How Dare they compete with college football:D. nah I'm just messing around however it is good to see Football Back.

[YankeeMan]

For your own saftey... Please do not get in between the antagonists.

[drillerman]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
For your own saftey... Please do not get in between the antagonists.
you forgot to read the sign that says please keep your hands and feet inside the ride for your own safety.:D
but college footballs back YM you gotta be excited.

[YankeeMan]

What is this footbol that you speak of...?

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
What is this footbol that you speak of...?

What can beat the Cougars and the Huskies?

[YankeeMan]

Wolverines!

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Wolverines!

You guys got lucky in last year's season opener.

[YankeeMan]

Anywho, back to baseball -- before that Moderator (Yankee something or another) gets in here...

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Anywho, back to baseball -- before that Moderator (Yankee something or another) gets in here...

I know, that dude is a total dictator :laugh. Anyway, wasn't that game aginst the BoSox just a little embarrassing for you guys?

[RedSoxFanAtic]

there's an article on the espn website with david wells, torre & stottlemyre all arguing publicly with each other over wells' recent performances.

looks like those yanks are starting to get a little hot under the collar :)

hope they don't get too CHOKED up!


too funny!

[tearforamariner]

THE MARINERS WIN THE MARINERS WIN

[Zito75]

THE MARINERS GOT LUCKY
THE MARINERS GOT LUCKY
THE MARNIERS GOT LUCKY

PS...

A's WIN!

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by drillerman
UNLV BEATS TOLEDO.
LMAO

Drillerman, clean out your inbox.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Series to date:

I'm sorry, you must of forgotten to update this... ;)

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Nor are you in first place.
N o t - y e t . . .

But consider this...
at this time last week we were 7 1/2 games behind you.
In one week we've managed to cut 4 games off that lead! Not too bad for a team that "Sux"...


I know that it's way to soon to even think this and I know you'll take this in the spirit in which it's given . . . :rolleyes:
The Yankees don't seem confident right now and are vulnerable and I know you must see it to..
The pitching strength you once enjoyed has diminished and I'm not being a wise ass when I say NY's hitting has diminished even more than the pitching, especially at Yankee Stadium. You must of noticed it. Click the link below to see my point...
We may not win it all this season but I don't think the Yankees will either.
They're hitting worse since I checked these stats last month...

Click below-

Boston-New York Home Batting Stats. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/statistics?stat=teambat&league=al&sortColumn=avg&season=2&year=2003&split=33)


Derek Jeter stirikes out to end the game against the Boston Red Sox. The Red Sox won, 10-5.

[YankeeMan]

But half the games are played on the road -- which draws a different picture:

Road Stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/statistics?stat=teambat&league=al&sortColumn=avg&season=2&year=2003&split=34)

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere

I know that it's way to soon to even think this and I know you'll take this in the spirit in which it's given . . . :rolleyes:
The Yankees don't seem confident right now and are vulnerable and I know you must see it to..
The pitching strength you once enjoyed has diminished and I'm not being a wise ass when I say NY's hitting has diminished even more than the pitching, especially at Yankee Stadium. You must of noticed it. Click the link below to see my point...
We may not win it all this season but I don't think the Yankees will either.



E1
I'll admit it -- the Yankees are playing terribly. And over the last several seasons, the September record has been less than great. All good news for Boston fans.

But it's not the hitting -- it's the lousy fielding and crappy starting pitching that has me concerned.

The Yankees are setup for an early post-season exit, if they get to the post-season at all.
:hp

3-0 Boston after 1 inning.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by RedSoxFanAtic
there's an article on the espn website with david wells, torre & stottlemyre all arguing publicly with each other over wells' recent performances.

looks like those yanks are starting to get a little hot under the collar :)

hope they don't get too CHOKED up!


too funny! Reggie, Thurman, Billy, George. Graig, All argued, all earned the title "Bronx Zoo". Gee, I wonder if they won anything in 1978.

*kicks RSFA back off the burning ship*

Don't forget, you've got Pedro, but we've got Enrique Wilson ... and Nick Johnson.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by Zito75
THE MARINERS GOT LUCKY
THE MARINERS GOT LUCKY
THE MARNIERS GOT LUCKY

PS...

A's WIN! You tell him, Zito! I'll try my best to have my guys beat Boston also.

[Mattingly]

If the Yanks pull this one off, I'll be such a happy camper, it'll be off the scale.

[YankeeMan]

It was an ugly win but it was a win!

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
It was an ugly win but it was a win! Ugly my foot. We held on just enough to prevent Pedro from getting an ND.

Hey, Boston fans! This ain't Seattle you're playing, so no win for Pedro tonight, just the loss.

:D :gt :p :waving

[YankeeMan]

I pride myself on being objective -- this was not a pretty win today.

The bullpen almost gave it away!

I want to see good defense and solid pitching from start to finish. Not "flashes."

At least the bats roared to life and Pettitte had a quality start.


Tommarow's game:

[Mattingly]

Very true, YM, you are objective, and it was an ugly win. However, we got the most beautiful thing in sight:

W: Andy Pettitte (17-7); L: Pedro Martinez (10-4); S: Mariano Rivera (30)

[YankeeMan]

Yeah, that is pretty -- isn't it Ken?

Ken? Where's Ken?

ROFLMAO!

[tearforamariner]

MARINERS WIN AGAIN! Total Domination, our offense is back. :D

[YankeeMan]

The "Red Sox Nation" Has been awfully quiet tonight.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
MARINERS WIN AGAIN! Total Domination, our offense is back. :D No fair, Jose Contreras beat the O's also, and we gave up no runs then (7-0). Your score was 13-1.

Did you happen to take note that a certain pitcher only lasted 4 innings yesterday against the Yanks, then was taken out forcibly? Did you happen to notice that his first name was Pedro? Just a thought.
:D :p :) :laugh

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
The "Red Sox Nation" Has been awfully quiet tonight. Pssssssssssst, don't tell nobody, but George just "bought" himself another win yesterday. In fact, he even put bonuses in everybody's check that if you take out Pedro early so he could get only the loss or the ND, they'd get a bigger one the next day. Andy got the win, Pedro got the loss and Mo got the save (however ugly), so there's a double bonus, this one in dirty green ca$h!

It's all a conspiracy that Selig needs to look into, and besides, it's beddy by time in New England. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
:gt :D :p :laugh

[Mattingly]

Sorry to do this to you, Boston fans *crosses fingers*, but ya had your big hopes on Mr Automatic held so high, I guess that those two dominating games against Seattle must've taken something out of the tank. Now we'll have to see what *our* Roger Clemens has tonight, and what Tim Wakefield does.

Don't worry, it's all good, all in fun. Now if I were being evil, I'd just mention that Posada had 2 jacks, 3 RBI while Varitek was 0 for 4, and that the quartet of Nick Johnson, Enrique Wilson, Jorge Posada and Derek Jeter did some damage yesterday. However, I'm not evil, so in celebration of Saturday afternoon:

Pettitte earns 17th victory, ties AL leaders (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=230830102)

BOSTON (AP) -- Nick Johnson and Jorge Posada wouldn't let the New York Yankees' bullpen give the game away.

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.

Pettitte outlasted the fatigued Red Sox ace Saturday and led the Yankees to a 10-7 victory over Boston, surviving early trouble to move into a tie for the league lead with his 17th win. New York extended its lead in the AL East to 4{ games.

"This could be the biggest game of the year," Yankees manager Joe Torre said.

<snip>

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Pettitte (17-7) outpitches Pedro as Yanks survive 10-7 (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20030830_NYY@BOS)

Aug. 30, 2003
SportsLine.com wire reports

BOSTON -- Nick Johnson and Jorge Posada wouldn't let the New York Yankees' bullpen give the game away.

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.

Pettitte outlasted the fatigued Red Sox ace Saturday and led the Yankees to a 10-7 victory over Boston, surviving early trouble to move into a tie for the league lead with his 17th win. New York extended its lead in the AL East to 4½ games.

<snip>

[Biggerin]

yeesh matingly, calm down a little bit, you're getting a little obnoxious.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
No fair, Jose Contreras beat the O's also, and we gave up no runs then (7-0). Your score was 13-1.

Did you happen to take note that a certain pitcher only lasted 4 innings yesterday against the Yanks, then was taken out forcibly? Did you happen to notice that his first name was Pedro? Just a thought.
:D :p :) :laugh

I did notice it Mattingly, and I appreciate you allowing the M's to take the lead in the WC race over Boston. :D

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
But half the games are played on the road -- which draws a different picture:

Road Stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/statistics?stat=teambat&league=al&sortColumn=avg&season=2&year=2003&split=34)



No, not even close!


Home - Bos +67 pts.

Red Sox - .325

Yankees - .258

- - - - - - - - - - -

Road - NY +19 pts.

Yankees - .278

Red Sox - .259

New York plays 81 games at Yankee Stadium. Name another ballpark where they play 81 games? _:rolleyes:

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Sorry to do this to you, Boston fans *crosses fingers*, but ya had your big hopes on Mr Automatic held so high, I guess that those two dominating games against Seattle must've taken something out of the tank. Now we'll have to see what *our* Roger Clemens has tonight, and what Tim Wakefield does.

Don't worry, it's all good, all in fun. Now if I were being evil, I'd just mention that Posada had 2 jacks, 3 RBI while Varitek was 0 for 4, and that the quartet of Nick Johnson, Enrique Wilson, Jorge Posada and Derek Jeter did some damage yesterday. However, I'm not evil, so in celebration of Saturday afternoon:

Pettitte earns 17th victory, ties AL leaders (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=230830102)

BOSTON (AP) -- Nick Johnson and Jorge Posada wouldn't let the New York Yankees' bullpen give the game away.

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.

Pettitte outlasted the fatigued Red Sox ace Saturday and led the Yankees to a 10-7 victory over Boston, surviving early trouble to move into a tie for the league lead with his 17th win. New York extended its lead in the AL East to 4{ games.

"This could be the biggest game of the year," Yankees manager Joe Torre said.

<snip>

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Pettitte (17-7) outpitches Pedro as Yanks survive 10-7 (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20030830_NYY@BOS)

Aug. 30, 2003
SportsLine.com wire reports

BOSTON -- Nick Johnson and Jorge Posada wouldn't let the New York Yankees' bullpen give the game away.

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.

Pettitte outlasted the fatigued Red Sox ace Saturday and led the Yankees to a 10-7 victory over Boston, surviving early trouble to move into a tie for the league lead with his 17th win. New York extended its lead in the AL East to 4½ games.

<snip> The guy was bed-ridden on intravenous in the hospital for 5 days...
Oh ya, you really got him good!

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.

[Hammerin Hank]

Andy Petite is no longer the leader in wins. Some Sox pitcher is now. The White Sox, not the wrong Sox.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by Biggerin
yeesh matingly, calm down a little bit, you're getting a little obnoxious. OK, I'll try. Just got a little excited, that's all. :D

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
The guy was bed-ridden on intravenous in the hospital for 5 days...
Oh ya, you really got him good!

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.
OK, I'll accept that. Hope he feels better. :)

[YankeeMan]

Standing O and a curtain call for Roger from the fans. Nice.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
I did notice it Mattingly, and I appreciate you allowing the M's to take the lead in the WC race over Boston. :D Any time, buddy. *Shake hands*

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by Hammerin Hank
Andy Petite is no longer the leader in wins. Some Sox pitcher is now. The White Sox, not the wrong Sox. I'll accept that. I hope he doesn't do *too* well in October though. :D :p

[Mattingly]

YM, very true, a very classy ovation and applause from the Fenway home crowd for Roger today!

[YankeeMan]

Because Casey (No-mah) has struck out.

[Mattingly]

5.5 GB. Gee, I wonder if someone should be happening along about now. Hmm, I wonder who it could possibly be?

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Because Casey (No-mah) has struck out. Meanwhile, Nellie seemed to be on Theo's payroll out there. He needs to calm down, since he's getting almost as bad as Benitez right now.

At least Gabe White showed me something, as he needs to be trusted some more. Hopefully, he's not the only one out there who's good.

Oh well, at least our big star from the farm beat theirs.

[Biggerin]

bah, horrible defense killed us today.

Oh well... as it stands now, the yanks need one more win to take the season series, so we'll just have to sweep ya next time :)

[tearforamariner]

And the Mariners sweep the O's. :D

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by Biggerin
bah, horrible defense killed us today.

Oh well... as it stands now, the yanks need one more win to take the season series, so we'll just have to sweep ya next time :) I actually didn't come into this feeling we could win. Strange admission, despite my bravado, but your bats haven't cooled off much, and against Oakland and Seattle, they'd heated up again.

What were the bad defensive plays made by Boston? With Damon out, I think that Gabe Kapler in LF wasn't so hot. Most of the infield looked good, even turning a Giambi single into a DP. We couldn't catch any breaks, what with some GRD would've scored a runner had it been a regular double, then Bernie missed a HR by a few feet, and Jeter got hurt sliding home.

I didn't memorize the game, but it seemed that Clemens mostly didn't allow the big hits, and keeping Ortiz from getting the doubles was monster.

I'm trying to find out, why was a big hitter like Mueller batting leadoff? I thought the high OBP/high walk types bat leadoff, not sluggers.

Either way, lots of drama, like a prize title fight, and like Saturday's, things got very dangerous in the end for Nelson and Mariano. Varitek's and Nomar's last AB really scared me, so I'm happy it worked out.

We'll see how everyone's feeling in the final series at Evil Empire Headquarters (your term). :D :p ;) :laugh

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
And the Mariners sweep the O's. :D M's win, A's win, Yankees win, and Boston loses. Awwwwwwwwww! :D :p

[YankeeMan]

Mattingly -- the Red Sox made 3 critical errors today. But Clemens is the reason they lost. Good pitching does beat good hitting.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Mattingly -- the Red Sox made 3 critical errors today. But Clemens is the reason they lost. Good pitching does beat good hitting. It seems my mind goes blank after a good game, as to the details. Anyway, it's been said that in sports, the winner isn't necessarily the best, but the loser is generally the one who's made the last mistake.

Let's see now:

NY YANKEES 5TH
-Top of the 5th inning
-D Jeter singled to right center, D Jeter to second on error by second baseman T Walker.
-N Johnson singled to right, D Jeter scored.
-J Giambi grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, N Johnson out at second.
-B Williams walked.
-H Matsui safe at second on error by center fielder G Kapler, B Williams scored.
-J Posada struck out swinging.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In this 1st error, I believe the ball was overthrown (no photographic memory here, so please remind me), and Jeter ended up scoring. This 2nd error would've been the 3rd out, but Bernie scored here.



NY YANKEES 7TH
-Top of the 7th inning
-D Jeter singled to left.
-S Sauerbeck relieved T Wakefield.
-A Soriano ran for D Jeter.
-N Johnson hit by pitch, A Soriano to second.
-J Giambi struck out swinging.
-A Soriano to third, N Johnson to second on wild pitch by S Sauerbeck.
-B Williams intentionally walked.
-H Matsui grounded into fielder's choice to first, A Soriano out at home, N Johnson to third, B Williams to second, N Johnson and B Williams scored, H Matsui to second on throwing error by catcher D Mi
-J Posada walked.
-B Kim relieved S Sauerbeck.
-A Boone singled to center, H Matsui scored, J Posada to second.
-J Rivera grounded into fielder's choice to second, A Boone out at second.

3 runs, 2 hits, 1 error
NY Yankees 8, Boston 2
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In this one, now I remember, there was a 3-6-3 play and the catcher overthrew the ball, as Matsui was going along the 1B line, and the throw was a little wide. The throw was in time, but hard for the 1B to handle.

Yeah, Biggerin was right, there were a few costly errors today.

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by Mattingly
M's win, A's win, Yankees win, and Boston loses. Awwwwwwwwww! :D :p

Thank you again Yankees. M's extend their lead in the WC race. By the way, this is the 1,800 post on this thread.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
Thank you again Yankees. M's extend their lead in the WC race. By the way, this is the 1,800 post on this thread. *Runs to delete one of my old threads, then claims #1,800 for myself* :D :p :laugh :gt

[YankeeMan]

Somedays more than others...

Two-four-six-eight...

Who do we appreciate?

Red Sox
...RED SOX!
Yay!
:eek: :D :laugh :waving :gt

[Mattingly]

I see that Ken's received the sig. As so as he puts on the same av as I'm sporting, he'll be fully and properly attired.

Oh well, it's getting later in the season, so we all know who pulls away at that time, now don't we?

Hold up, isn't he supposted to wear the "No No Nanette" av? Did you PM that to him?

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Somedays more than others...

Two-four-six-eight...

Who do we appreciate?

Red Sox
...RED SOX!
Yay!
:eek: :D :laugh :waving :gt
GOOD FOR YOU!
{You're counting by TWO!}:laugh

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere

GOOD FOR YOU!
{You're counting by TWO!}:laugh 2x13=26. Yeah, I'd say he's counting in twos.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
2x13=26. Yeah, I'd say he's counting in twos.
Umm...Sorry, no. 2 'X' 13 = 26
That's called, M U L T I P L I C A T I O N.

{Maybe you'll learn about that next year} ;)

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by KenFougere

Umm...Sorry, no.
That's called, M U L T I P L I C A T I O N.

{Maybe you'll learn about that next year} ;)

Hey Ken, I get to change back now, right?

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by tearforamariner
Hey Ken, I get to change back now, right?

No problem, buddy.:)

[tearforamariner]

Ah, much better. :D

[Zito75]

9 wins in a row for Oakland? I'll drink to that!!!

[YankeeMan]

ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1607098)
Overcoming September Deficits
By Mark Kelly
ESPN Research

The largest division deficits overcome at any point in September to make the postseason:

1978 New York Yankees: 6½ games back on Sept. 2.
1995 Seattle Mariners: 6 games back on Sept. 8.
1973 New York Mets: 5½ games back on Sept. 6.
1969 New York Mets: 5 games back on Sept. 4.
1974 Baltimore Orioles: 5 games back on Sept. 2.


1978 New York Yankees
In what was probably the most memorable September deficit overcome, the Yankees trailed the Red Sox by 6½ games on Sept. 2. After winning five of their first seven games in September, the Yankees traveled to division-leading Boston with their deficit cut to four games.

The Yankees swept the four-game series, known as "Boston Massacre," outscoring the Red Sox 42-9 to move into a first-place tie. After taking two of three from the Red Sox the following weekend at Yankee Stadium, the Yankees had a 2½-game lead in the division.

The Sox went 11-2 over the last 13 games to pull even with the Yankees on the last day of the season. After 162 games, the two teams were tied with a 99-63 record.

They met in a one-game playoff at Fenway Park to decide the division winner. In what is now known as "The Bucky Dent Game," the beleaguered Yankees shortstop gave the Yankees a 3-2 lead with a three-run home run in the seventh inning off former Yankee Mike Torrez. Trailing 5-4 going into the ninth, the Red Sox put the tying run on third before Goose Gossage got Carl Yastrzemski to pop out, giving the Yankees their third straight AL East division championship.


1995 Seattle Mariners
"Refuse to lose" was the rally cry as Seattle fans watched the Mariners rally from six games back on Sept. 8 to win the AL West. The Mariners then won 16 of their last 19 games to take a two-game lead over the Angels, who went 8-11 over the same stretch. Needing to win just one of their final two games at Texas, the Mariners lost both games, while the Angels won their final two games in Anaheim against the A's to force a one-game playoff. Leading 1-0 heading into the bottom of the seventh inning, the Mariners scored eight runs over the last two innings to win their first division title. Randy Johnson struck out 12 in a complete game.

1973 New York Mets
On Sept. 6, the Mets stood in fourth place -- 5½ games behind the first place St. Louis Cardinals. The Mets went 16-6 the rest of the way, including a 10-3 record against the three teams in front of them. Perhaps the fate of the NL East was decided on Sept. 20 against the Pirates at Shea Stadium. In a tie game in the top of the 13th inning, Pittsburgh's Jerry Augustine hit a long fly ball that appeared to be a two-run homer. The ball amazingly hit off the top of the wall, as left fielder Cleon Jones caught the carom and threw home to nail Richie Zisk at the plate. The Mets won the game in the bottom of the inning and moved into first place for good the next day.

1974 Baltimore Orioles
The Orioles rallied from a five-game deficit on Sept. 2 to win the AL East. Trailing the Yankees by 1½ games on Sept. 13, the Orioles went 16-2 the rest of way to win the division by two games. Their two defeats: a 1-0 shutout loss by Gaylord Perry, and a 6-5 extra-inning loss in which the Orioles blew a four-run ninth-inning lead to the Red Sox at Fenway. Perhaps Baltimore's most memorable win in the span was a 17-inning 1-0 win over the Brewers which saw starters Jim Palmer and Jim Colborn throw 12 and 13 shutout innings, respectively. Bobby Grich scored the game-winning run on a fielder's choice by Bob Oliver.

1969 New York Mets
The "Miracle Mets" were five games behind the NL East-leading Chicago Cubs on Sept. 4. Five days later, the Mets completed a two-game sweep of the Cubs at Shea Stadium. The highlight of the game was a black cat running in front of the Cubs' dugout. After defeating the Expos 3-2 in the first game of a doubleheader on Sept. 10, the Mets vaulted into first place for the first time in their history. On Sept. 24, Gary Gentry threw a four-hit shutout against the Cardinals as the Mets wrapped up their first division title in team history, completing a stretch in which they went 19-5 and the Cubs went 6-14.

Bonus race ... 1972 AL East
On Sept. 1, the Baltimore Orioles led the division by 1½ games ahead of the Tigers and Yankees and two games ahead of the Red Sox. On Sept. 4, a half game separated the four teams. Each team spent time in first place, but no team had more than a 1½-game lead.

From Sept. 1 until Sept. 28, no more than four games separated the four teams. After a 3-2 extra-inning loss to to the Yankees (Roy White homered to win the game in the 12th inning), the Tigers fell 1½ games behind the first-place Red Sox. The Tigers then swept a three-game series vs. Milwaukee, setting up a season ending three-game set at Tiger Stadium to determine the AL East champion.

In the first game of the series, Al Kaline's first-inning home run off Jack Curtis sparked the Tigers and a Luis Aparicio baserunning blunder cost the Red Sox an early run. Mickey Lolich pitched a masterful six-hit complete game, striking out 15 Red Sox batters. The Tigers' 4-1 win gave them a half-game lead over the Sox with two games remaining. In the second game of the series, the Tigers received another strong pitching performance, this time from Woody Fryman, who only allowed one unearned run over 7 2/3 innings. Kaline again starred for the Tigers collecting two hits and scoring the go-ahead run in the seventh inning on a Carl Yastrzemski error. The Tigers wrapped up their first AL East division title.

The Red Sox would go on the win the series finale, 4-1 on a Marty Pattin four-hitter, leaving them a half game out. It's interesting to note that a players' strike wiped out the first week of the season. Major League Baseball decided not to reschedule any games, but to just go with the remaining schedule ignoring the fact that teams played a different number of games. This played a major factor in the AL East, as the Red Sox played one less game than the Tigers and finished a half-game back. (The Tigers played 156 games, Red Sox 155).

Mark Kelly is a ESPN researcher. He can be reached at mark.kelly@espn.com

On a side note: The Yankees have never given up a six game (or better) lead up at any point in the season. They've had more than a six game lead this season.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
On a side note: The Yankees have never given up a six game (or better) lead up at any point in the season. They've h a d more than a six game lead this season.

[YankeeMan]

They still lead the division. By 4.5 games to be exact -- 5 in the loss column.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
They still lead the division. By 4.5 games to be exact -- 5 in the loss column. P l e n t y

of baseball still to be played...;)

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
P l e n t y

of baseball still to be played...;)

Yeah, I hear there's gonna' be a few games in Da' Bronx this weekend.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Yeah, I hear there's gonna' be a few games in Da' Bronx this weekend. Yup, and I hope they continue their
hot-home-hitting! ;)

[YankeeMan]

That won't matter if the Yankees pitch well.

Yankees home: .258 BA -- 84 HR -- 302 RBI -- 316 Runs
Boston away: .260 BA -- 104 HR -- 347 RBI -- 357 Runs

...a slight advantage in the hitting numbers to Boston.

But the Yankees are about pitching...

Yankees home: 4.29 ERA -- 310 Runs -- 290 Earned
Boston away: 4.97 ERA -- 356 Runs -- 327 Earned

...a slight advantage in the pitching numbers to the Yankees.

Which is more important? We'll find out together this weekend!

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
That won't matter if the Yankees pitch well.

Yankees home: .258 BA -- 84 HR -- 302 RBI -- 316 Runs
Boston away: .260 BA -- 104 HR -- 347 RBI -- 357 Runs

...a slight advantage in the hitting numbers to Boston.

But the Yankees are about pitching...

Yankees home: 4.29 ERA -- 310 Runs -- 290 Earned
Boston away: 4.97 ERA -- 356 Runs -- 327 Earned

...a slight advantage in the pitching numbers to the Yankees.

Which is more important? We'll find out together this weekend!


Speaking of pitching, what's the match-ups look like? ;)

[BC498]

Without checking the schedule I think it goes;

game 1 Pettitte vs. Pedro
game 2 Clemens vs. Wakefield
game 3 Wells vs. Ponson

[VTSoxFan]

Unless there's a trade in the works that I haven't heard about, I think that would be Suppan, not Ponson.

[NickG]

Originally posted by BC498
Without checking the schedule I think it goes;

game 1 Pettitte vs. Pedro
game 2 Clemens vs. Wakefield
game 3 Wells vs. Ponson

Ponson went to the Giants.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere


Speaking of pitching, what's the match-ups look like? ;) I think that espn has one thing, while sportsline has another. Before Thursday, I doubt anything can be confirmed, even if they don't change.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere

Umm...Sorry, no. 2 'X' 13 = 26
That's called, M U L T I P L I C A T I O N.

{Maybe you'll learn about that next year} ;) I use spreadsheets a few times, and it would actually be "2*13=26" in that lingo.

When I use "x", that's just generic, since "2x" simply means double, and "3x" means triple. I've never worried about capitalizing the "x" into "X" much. In addition, if I don't use spaces, I won't have any of the formula spread from one line to the next, so it works nice.

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by Mattingly
I think that espn has one thing, while sportsline has another. Before Thursday, I doubt anything can be confirmed, even if they don't change.

Pettitte, Clemens, Wells would be "in-turn" on the pitching match-up for Fri, Sat, Sun.

I must admit tho -- I'm not entirely familiar with the Red Sox pitching rotation. Ken?

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Pettitte, Clemens, Wells would be "in-turn" on the pitching match-up for Fri, Sat, Sun.

I must admit tho -- I'm not entirely familiar with the Red Sox pitching rotation. Ken?
I'm not fraternizing with the enemy!
{I don't live at the Ritz Carlton...:rolleyes: }

[KenFougere]

. . . for Grady Little to realize Kim is not a closer?
One run game??? Let's see what happens.

It must be cold out...because Hell just froze over. We win it with two hits - both solo shots. :eek: :o

[SoxRule21]

That game pissed me off. They had so many chances and they blew it. Im expecting much better results tomorow. 2 hits and boston wins.

[YankeeMan]

Tough game to lose -- great game if you won.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Tough game to lose -- great game if you won.
I just came up with a good one re: baseball games. Ready - "Good pitching beats good hitting"

{Just thought of it}_:p

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by SoxRule21
That game pissed me off. They had so many chances and they blew it. Im expecting much better results tomorow. 2 hits and boston wins. I think you guys had corner runners, 1 out, then someone did a GIDP. No wonder they call it the pitcher's best friend.

If the guy couldn't hit, he should've tried a sac fly. Even a strikeout would've kept the rally going.

After you guys went rampant on my guys, you can't beat the other Sox? :rolleyes: :p

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere

I just came up with a good one re: baseball games. Ready - "Good pitching beats good hitting"

{Just thought of it}_:p Please come up with something "interesting" for this baseball fact:

Yanks lose 2 of 3 to ChiSox.

Yanks (the better team) take 2 of 3 from BoSox.

ChiSox beat BoSox

Hopefully, they'll win the next 2, so at least I'll feel comfy ... in more ways than one, I'll tell you.

[YankeeMan]

Noticed this in another thread... Thought I could mention it in here so Ken doesn't miss it.

HBO Website (http://www.hbo.com/bambino/)

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Noticed this in another thread... Thought I could mention it in here so Ken doesn't miss it.

HBO Website (http://www.hbo.com/bambino/)
Again, I get a warm feeling inside knowing that I have someone like you looking out for me . . . :rolleyes:

[KenFougere]

David Ortiz comes up big, again . . . ;)

[Chisox73]

You can thank our beloved manager Jerry Manuel for that one.You knew that was going to happen once Buehrle got lifted.:mad:

[Chisox73]

BOOM!

Valentin goes deep! Game tied at 4.:D

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Chisox73
BOOM!

Valentin goes deep! Game tied at 4.:D B o o m !

David Ortiz : Take Two ! !

FIVE ta FOUR - BOTTOM of the TENTH __ :waving

[Chisox73]

Hey Ken,

Would you have waved the runner home in the bottom of the 9th?

I would have in that situation.The Red Sox just beat us tonight,nothing to pick apart here.Just a real good game.

[YankeeMan]

Red Sox win.

Yanks lose.

It's cruel of Fate to tease the Bostonians like she does... We all know who's gonna' win -- see text below.
;) :p :D :gt

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Chisox73
Hey Ken,

Would you have waved the runner home in the bottom of the 9th?

I would have in that situation.The Red Sox just beat us tonight,nothing to pick apart here.Just a real good game. Well, he was out by 2-3 steps. 9th inning with less than two outs, you send him if your sure. The 3rd base coach killed it right there. Should of been 2nd & 3rd with one out.
The play wasn't even close.
Should of been held up at third...

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Well, he was out by 2-3 steps. 9th inning with less than two outs, you send him if your sure. The 3rd base coach killed it right there. Should of been 2nd & 3rd with one out.
The play wasn't even close.
Should of been held up at third...

I agree. Really bad move. Stay at third and a deep fly ball wins the game.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
The Toronto Blue Jays have changed thier logo for next year... Here's a sneak peek for 2004:
Do you believe in superstition?

NAH... Probably just coincidence?
Ya, that's ... it, yup.
:rolleyes:

[LouGehrig]

You DON'T pinch run for your best hitter in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth inning. Torre does it with Giambi and it was done tonight and cost the White Sox the game.

If Thomas were on first, and he seemed wild and upset when he was taken out and he went down the runway, not even bothering to watch the rest of the game, he NEVER would have been sent home on the hit. It would have been second and third with one out.

How about, in that situation, a SQUEEZE play? Under those conditions, with the winning run on third, you MIGHT pinch run for Thomas, but it really doesn't matter because if you squeeze it is a suicide play and if the ball is bunted safely, even Thomas would be able to score.

The fact that the runner was out by thirty feet indicates what a bad play it was, and anyone watching could see as the play was unfolding that a decent defensive sequence would get the runner by a lot. And it did.

[KenFougere]

That's Two! Can you make it Three? {Again?}

{Broom-Broom-Broom!}

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by LouGehrig
You DON'T pinch run for your best hitter in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth inning. Torre does it with Giambi and it was done tonight and cost the White Sox the game.

If Thomas were on first, and he seemed wild and upset when he was taken out and he went down the runway, not even bothering to watch the rest of the game, he NEVER would have been sent home on the hit. It would have been second and third with one out.

How about, in that situation, a SQUEEZE play? Under those conditions, with the winning run on third, you MIGHT pinch run for Thomas, but it really doesn't matter because if you squeeze it is a suicide play and if the ball is bunted safely, even Thomas would be able to score.

The fact that the runner was out by thirty feet indicates what a bad play it was, and anyone watching could see as the play was unfolding that a decent defensive sequence would get the runner by a lot. And it did. What does running have to do with hitting? Frank Thomas, at 6-5, 275, is probably the only MLB player larger than David Ortiz, who's an inch shorter and about 10 lbs lighter. Now, if he gets a single in the bottom of the 9th, why *wouldn't* you pinch run for him? Every team has a bench, and the guy running for Thomas was 210 lbs, ran very quickly.

It's the speedy utility guys who burn the rubber. The Yanks use Enrique Wilson for that, and Boston uses Damian Jackson, just as they'd used Rickey two seasons ago. That's what they're there for, to turn "runners on 1st and 2nd" to "runners on 1st and 3rd" and score even on the sac fly to LF or CF.

As to Thomas never being sent home, you think a guy that big would even have a likely chance to score? Like others, I'd fault the 3B coach for sending the runner, since despite the LF's slow throw, Nomar has a gun and is an excellent cutoff man. Not a wise idea testing his arm, to me.

Had the 3B coach not waved the windmill, he would've only had 1 out, 2 RISP, and a sac fly, squeeze play or single would've won the game. Of course, a bunt would've needed to have been well placed, since a "popup" bunt wouldn't have scored anyone, and it would've needed to have been hit where a play at home would've been nearly impossible. A GIDP would've killed that rally also.

[YankeeMan]

So how many games do the Red Sox have to win this weekend to make it a race in the AL East?

[BoSox Rule]

We are only 3.5 GB.

[YankeeMan]

I say the Red Sox have to win at least one game -- leaving Da' Bronx no more than 4.5 GB. If Boston gets swept, they'll be 6.5 games out and that's a lot of games to make up considering how much season is left.

That said, I'm sure the Boston media is thinking they gotta' take at least 2 of 3.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule
We are only 3.5 GB. That's right. It's not like you're 14.5 games out or anything. Or was that 25 years ago?

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by Mattingly
That's right. It's not like you're 14.5 games out or anything. Or was that 25 years ago?

The Yankees were only* 6.5 games out on September 2, 1978.

*It is also the largest deficit overcome to win a division (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1607098).

[tearforamariner]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
The Yankees were only* 6.5 games out on September 2, 1978.

*It is also the largest deficit overcome to win a division (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1607098).

Not by much. The 1995 M's overcame a 6 game deficit in September, and a double digit deficit going back to July.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
That's right. It's not like you're 14.5 games out or anything. Or was that 25 years ago?
2 words / 2 syl•la•bles each word. READY?

[list=1]
Cur•rent

E•vents
[/list=1]

Practice, Practice & Practice some more! :rolleyes:

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere

2 words / 2 syl•la•bles each word. READY?

[list=1]
Cur•rent

E•vents
[/list=1]

Practice, Practice & Practice some more! :rolleyes:

Did you guys here something?

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Did you guys here something? Swing & miss, perhaps?

[YankeeMan]

Tommarow is another day.

[KenFougere]

Has anyone else noticed that a certain m e m b e r has not been putting his {av & sig} where his mouth is of late?

I'm sorry, that is not true. He has backed his team when they lock horns with the mighty Tigers from Detroit.

Could it be possible that his un-wavering support & confidence in his extended family from the Bronx is buckeling from the heat they're feeling from the north that just won't seem to go away like it usually does in Septembers' past? Maybe he's sensing impending doom for the New York 'band-wagon' and wants to avoid the rush and jump off now while saying to himself . . . 'see-ya' as he un-characteristically slips, (yet again) into the glory & shadows of seasons' past..._:cool:

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Did you guys here something?
F o o t s t e p s ? __;)

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere

Has anyone else noticed that a certain m e m b e r has not been putting his {av & sig} where his mouth is of late?

I'm sorry, that is not true. He has backed his team when they lock horns with the mighty Tigers from Detroit.

Could it be possible that his un-wavering support & confidence in his extended family from the Bronx is buckeling from the heat they're feeling from the north that just won't seem to go away like it usually does in Septembers' past? Maybe he's sensing impending doom for the New York 'band-wagon' and wants to avoid the rush and jump off now while saying to himself . . . 'see-ya' as he un-characteristically slips, (yet again) into the glory & shadows of seasons' past..._:cool: Who are you referring to? I presume either YM, BC498 or myself. So, who is it?

Don't worry, Ken, you've just won yourselves the golden opportunity to take 1 out of 3 from the Yanks yesterday. Andy clearly didn't have it, and that's all you'll get. Roger will get #307 today.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Sorry to do this to you, Boston fans *crosses fingers*, but ya had your big hopes on Mr Automatic held so high, I guess that those two dominating games against Seattle must've taken something out of the tank. Now we'll have to see what *our* Roger Clemens has tonight, and what Tim Wakefield does.

Don't worry, it's all good, all in fun. Now if I were being evil, I'd just mention that Posada had 2 jacks, 3 RBI while Varitek was 0 for 4, and that the quartet of Nick Johnson, Enrique Wilson, Jorge Posada and Derek Jeter did some damage yesterday. However, I'm not evil, so in celebration of Saturday afternoon:

Pettitte earns 17th victory, ties AL leaders (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=230830102)

BOSTON (AP) -- Nick Johnson and Jorge Posada wouldn't let the New York Yankees' bullpen give the game away.

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.

Pettitte outlasted the fatigued Red Sox ace Saturday and led the Yankees to a 10-7 victory over Boston, surviving early trouble to move into a tie for the league lead with his 17th win. New York extended its lead in the AL East to 4{ games.

"This could be the biggest game of the year," Yankees manager Joe Torre said.

<snip>

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Pettitte (17-7) outpitches Pedro as Yanks survive 10-7 (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20030830_NYY@BOS)

Aug. 30, 2003
SportsLine.com wire reports

BOSTON -- Nick Johnson and Jorge Posada wouldn't let the New York Yankees' bullpen give the game away.

That's why Andy Pettitte came away with a win and Pedro Martinez didn't.

Pettitte outlasted the fatigued Red Sox ace Saturday and led the Yankees to a 10-7 victory over Boston, surviving early trouble to move into a tie for the league lead with his 17th win. New York extended its lead in the AL East to 4½ games.

<snip> [B][I][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=red]Welcome back to Earth!

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere

F o o t s t e p s ? __;) You mean the same ones we've been hearing since 1923? I guess we'll still be hearing them at the end of the season. I'm sure that Seattle and Oakland will also. Boy, you guys look so good in the rear view mirror!

BTW, that's one tall sig you've got. How come so much blank space? It's like the entire screen is taken up for a one line response. :eek:

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Welcome back to Earth! Tonight, I'll be welcoming you back to the loser's column. I'm sure it won't be something you're not already used to!
:D :p :laugh :gt

Oh yeah, put the end codes for all the colors and italics sometime, Ken! ;)

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere

Has anyone else noticed that a certain m e m b e r has not been putting his {av & sig} where his mouth is of late?

I'm sorry, that is not true. He has backed his team when they lock horns with the mighty Tigers from Detroit.

Could it be possible that his un-wavering support & confidence in his extended family from the Bronx is buckeling from the heat they're feeling from the north that just won't seem to go away like it usually does in Septembers' past? Maybe he's sensing impending doom for the New York 'band-wagon' and wants to avoid the rush and jump off now while saying to himself . . . 'see-ya' as he un-characteristically slips, (yet again) into the glory & shadows of seasons' past..._:cool:

I decided against ALL betting on baseball a few months ago.

However, I gave Racosun a re-match based on a "gentlemen's agreement." But you wouldn't know anything about that...


But if it's a wager you want:

I'll bet you that the Yankees win the World Series before the Red Sox do. Loser has to wear the winner's sig (unaltered with no text added) and team avatar for as long as the winner's team are the World Champions.
:eek:

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
I decided against ALL betting on baseball a few months ago.

However, I gave Racosun a re-match based on a "gentlemen's agreement." But you wouldn't know anything about that...


But if it's a wager you want:

I'll bet you that the Yankees win the World Series before the Red Sox do. Loser has to wear the winner's sig (unaltered with no text added) and team avatar for as long as the winner's team are the World Champions.
:eek: I guess they want to see you strip a few of your (pin)stripes off your shoulder. That would be too symbolic for them.

Hey, I'll always give Raco his due. Great guy.

For the bet that the Yanks will win before they will, that's too easy, and they'd never agree. Of course, a certain member (Ken) could always take that bet, but he'd never do that. I mean, just think, "NO, NO NANETTE" screaming from every post he'd make. Nah, he'd never go for it. You'd really need to believe in your team to do that. Right, Ken?

[SoxRule21]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
Tommarow is another day.
Not really, actually it got worse 11-0 BoSox, looks like we'll see Mattingly in the Red Sox avator.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by SoxRule21
Not really, actually it got worse 11-0 BoSox, looks like we'll see Mattingly in the Red Sox avator. Yes, I see you follow our losses closely. Man, we've gotta start winning some more. Today's game was awful.

[Hammerin Hank]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Yes, I see you follow our losses closely. Man, we've gotta start winning some more. Today's game was awful.

Yeah, it was great, wasn't it.:D

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
I decided against ALL betting on baseball a few months ago.

However, I gave Racosun a re-match based on a "gentlemen's agreement." But you wouldn't know anything about that...


But if it's a wager you want:

I'll bet you that the Yankees win the World Series before the Red Sox do. Loser has to wear the winner's sig (unaltered with no text added) and team avatar for as long as the winner's team are the World Champions.
:eek:
You're on.

[KenFougere]

2003 American League Standings

E A S T - W L PCT GB HOME ROAD RS RA STRK L10

NY Yankees 84 56 .600 --- 39-30 45-26 743 652 Lost 2 4-6

Boston 83 58 .589 1.5 46-24 37-34 862 720 Won 5 7-3


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