The Bitter Rivals Thread

[Mattingly]

Thankfully, only 1 game. After one of the Hawiian delegates made it "New York Yankees Day" in Hawaii (from the RNC in NYC), the Yanks get smacked around like this.

After all the Yankee haters have their field day, I'd just like to get things back to normal again.

[KenFougere]

:noidea - What's George Steinbrenner going to say after his Yankees are handed the worst defeat in franchise history, a 22-0 pasting at the hands of the lowly Indians? - :ughh


:laugh

[KenFougere]

It's Shrinking! Now only . . .


3½

[ElHalo]

Well, at least we know one thing for certain: The Yankees have the best starting pitcher in the AL East. Sox have more starting depth, but our aces beats your ace (can you believe that this is actually true in reference to a guy who may be aproaching 50?... I noticed that the papers have stopped saying he's "listed at 34" and just call him 38 now, but I'm almost positive that even that is at least 5 years too young for him, possibly more... And he's the best starting pitcher in the AL.

And we're paying him less than we're paying Steve Karsay or Travis Lee to not play, and less than we're paying Jason Giambi for every WEEK he sits out.

There's luck, and then there's Mystique and Aura...

[DownUnderDodger]

Saw a t-shirt being worn by a mean looking guy, who looked like a trucker, at today's Bosox v Angels game. It read:

I don't BRAKE for YANKEES fans

There are no doubt many funny t-shirts and banners sledging rival teams but I don't see too many and this one gave me a giggle. :laugh

[mojorisin71]

Well, at least we know one thing for certain: The Yankees have the best starting pitcher in the AL East. Sox have more starting depth, but our aces beats your ace (can you believe that this is actually true in reference to a guy who may be aproaching 50?... I noticed that the papers have stopped saying he's "listed at 34" and just call him 38 now, but I'm almost positive that even that is at least 5 years too young for him, possibly more... And he's the best starting pitcher in the AL.

And we're paying him less than we're paying Steve Karsay or Travis Lee to not play, and less than we're paying Jason Giambi for every WEEK he sits out.

There's luck, and then there's Mystique and Aura...

I wonder who's older, El Duque or Julio Franco? Franco is listed as 46, but he looks like he could be my grandfather.

[KenFougere]

There's luck, and then there's Mystique and Aura...

Much like their lead, that's wearing a little thin lately . . . Don't you think? - :cool:

[trosmok]

:noidea - What's George Steinbrenner going to say after his Yankees are handed the worst defeat in franchise history, a 22-0 pasting at the hands of the lowly Indians? - :ughh


:laugh

"Manager Joe Torre said he got a vote of support from owner George Steinbrenner after Tuesday's 22-0 loss to Cleveland. He said 'Keep your chin up.' Torre said. 'There is that side of him. When you get beat up like that, he's supportive.'" from USA Today, Sept.2,2004 ;)

[Mattingly]

Much like their lead, that's wearing a little thin lately . . . Don't you think? - :cool:
Hey, Ken, me thinks you've just won the AL East Division! Yeah, Beantown!

Whoops, it's only September 3rd. Never mind! :D ;) :p

[KenFougere]

Hey, Ken, me thinks you've just won the AL East Division! Yeah, Beantown!

Well, not just yet . . . It'll take another two or three weeks.
But I am glad to see that you've come around to accepting the inevitable!


{I'm proud of you . . . } - :clapping

[J W]

speaking of a waning division lead...

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20040903_BAL@NYY

A 3-1 loss? Ouch guys.

And Kevin Brown broke his hand "punching something in the clubhouse"?

:laugh :laugh :laugh

I do not like injury smack, but if that's the truth, I'm not going to feel sorry for him. He just doesn't know how to keep himself healthy. As a matter of fact, I'm going to make another thread off this.

[KenFougere]

American League East

W L Pct GB
Yankees 83 51 .619 --
Red Sox 80 53 .602 2.5







This season is beginning to resemble a mirror image of 1978 -- when the Yankees dropped to fourth place and trailed the Red Sox by 14 games after play on July 19, then rebounded to win the AL East in a one-game playoff -- except the roles have been reversed. Who takes first this year will likely come down to the wire: New York and Boston have a pair of three-game series left, at Yankee Stadium from Sept. 17-19 and at Fenway Park from Sept. 24-26. - :rolleyes:

[Mattingly]

Well, not just yet . . . It'll take another two or three weeks.
But I am glad to see that you've come around to accepting the inevitable!


{I'm proud of you . . . } - :clapping
Hey, Ken, so as to save you some time for next March or April, I'll just type in what you'll inevitably post:

THIS IS OUR YEAR!

Lemme know when you win the division, 'kay? :D ;) :p :laugh :gt

[KenFougere]

Hey, Ken, so as to save you some time for next March or April, I'll just type in what you'll inevitably post:

THIS IS OUR YEAR!

Lemme know when you win the division, 'kay? :D ;) :p :laugh :gt

Oh don't worry, I will! - :D


(In the meantime . . . go punch a wall.) - :laugh

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

The Red Sox - Yankees rivalry is the most bitter rivalry by far.

(Actually I don't know why this rivalry started, because it was already there before Babe Ruth moved to the Yankees.)

But the Brooklyn Dodgers - Yankees rivalry is close behind.

[Mattingly]

Oh don't worry, I will! - :D


(In the meantime . . . go punch a wall.) - :laugh
Don't forget, when BoSox fans say "THIS IS OUR YEAR", it's only after another losing year. If they'd finally won, then they wouldn't need "a year", since "the year" indicates when they'd likely finally win it all.

Now then, why do I have to ek-splain :D this to a Beantowner?

[DODGER DEB]

The Red Sox - Yankees rivalry is the most bitter rivalry by far.

(Actually I don't know why this rivalry started, because it was already there before Babe Ruth moved to the Yankees.)

But the Brooklyn Dodgers - Yankees rivalry is close behind.


Actually, yankees rule, the BROOKLYN DODGERS/NY GIANTS rivalry tops even the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry, as the #1 rivalry ever in Baseball.

WE lived through it, so I know of what I speak!

c.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Actually, yankees rule, the BROOKLYN DODGERS/NY GIANTS rivalry tops even the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry, as the #1 rivalry ever in Baseball.

WE lived through it, so I know of what I speak!

c.

So you really did see the Dodgers win the 1955 World Series? All I know about the Brooklyn Dodgers is from a history book about MLB. You have been there. Wow.

I can't imagine how it feels to see your favorite team move away. It must have been the most disappointing experience in your life!

[DODGER DEB]

So you really did see the Dodgers win the 1955 World Series? All I know about the Brooklyn Dodgers is from a history book about MLB. You have been there. Wow.

I can't imagine how it feels to see your favorite team move away. It must have been the most disappointing experience in your life!


YES, yankees rule, I was at Game 7 to see OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS WIN OUR 1955 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, against one of OUR bitter rivals, the Yankees! It was Tuesday, October 4, 1955 at 3:43PM at Yankee Stadium. It was the most incredible day I ever lived through!

WE will be celebrating the 50th Anniversary of OUR 1955 World Championship next year on the weekend of October 4, 2005, with a HUGE EVENT. WE will be bringing OUR Players and familes back to BROOKLYN. WE will be holding a PRESS CONFERENCE this Thursday, September 9th, with the official announcement. Look for it in the Press/Media following the Press Conference. You can also learn more details on OUR FORUM, under the thread "HOW SHOULD WE CELEBRATE OUR 1955 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP". :dance

As for OUR DODGERS being taken away from US for pure greed :evil.....disappointing is NOT the word I would use.......try DEVASTATING! WE still feel that PAIN to this day...and probably always will!

c.

[bleachercreature11]

theres only one rivalry, and thats the yankees and the red sox. THE only rivalry in baseball, all other confrontations are rendered meaningless by this RIVALRY.

[Mattingly]

theres only one rivalry, and thats the yankees and the red sox. THE only rivalry in baseball, all other confrontations are rendered meaningless by this RIVALRY.
You may wish to respect Dodger Deb's a bit more. If you'd read that she's been at a 1955 game, when added to her wealth of information and honesty, I would think she'd know of what she speaks.

[shlevine42]

theres only one rivalry, and thats the yankees and the red sox. THE only rivalry in baseball, all other confrontations are rendered meaningless by this RIVALRY.

It amazes me how someone who has probably just purchased his first pack of razor blades can speak with such authority and certainty, and with either total ignorance of, or disregard for what is generally acknowledged to be THE MOST INTENSE RIVALRY IN ALL OF SPORTS.

I realize the Dodgers-Giants rivalry began before you were born, bleachercreature11, but if you've come to this Board to learn a bit about the game, then you would do well to show some respect for history. And for your elders.

DodgerDeb is but one of many fans who lived through the Dodgers-Giants wars (yes, that's what they were). Check out the relevant threads on the Brooklyn Dodgers Forum to learn what a real rivalry was like...from the fans who witnessed it.

[mojorisin71]

It amazes me how someone who has probably just purchased his first pack of razor blades can speak with such authority and certainty, and with either total ignorance of, or disregard for what is generally acknowledged to be THE MOST INTENSE RIVALRY IN ALL OF SPORTS.

I realize the Dodgers-Giants rivalry began before you were born, bleachercreature11, but if you've come to this Board to learn a bit about the game, then you would do well to show some respect for history. And for your elders.

DodgerDeb is but one of many fans who lived through the Dodgers-Giants wars (yes, that's what they were). Check out the relevant threads on the Brooklyn Dodgers Forum to learn what a real rivalry was like...from the fans who witnessed it.

From what I read on this site (the ONLY reliable Brooklyn Dodgers site online), the Dodgers and Giants hated each other to the death. The West Coast version of the rivalry (sorry if it offends the Brooklynites) is not as intense, but go to Dodger Stadium and ask the average pseudo-fan about who they hate the most and they are automatically programmed to say "the San Francisco Giants." On the West Coast, it is mostly NorCal versus SoCal, but nowhere is it on the same level (or depth) as the Brooklyn Dodgers vs. New York Giants rivalry.

This is the reason why I love this site. We have eyewitnesses to history here. Beat that, MLB.com.

[mojorisin71]

So you really did see the Dodgers win the 1955 World Series? All I know about the Brooklyn Dodgers is from a history book about MLB. You have been there. Wow.

I can't imagine how it feels to see your favorite team move away. It must have been the most disappointing experience in your life!

Welcome to BBF, yankees rule, the only site on the Internet that unites Brooklyn Dodger fans and they talk about the good old days at Ebbets Field. This is the only site where Red Sox fans and Yankees fans are at peace with each other (except when Boston wins and New York loses). AND this is the only site where we have MATURE baseball fans instead of trash-talking 12-year-olds who find ways to go around the profanity censor.

As for the Brooklyn Dodgers moving away, I can't say I feel their pain, but I go to Dodgers games regularly, and I have been trying to find more about their history before O'Malley moved them to LA. And that I may not offend them, I simply refer to them as "the LA team" in their presence.

[Mattingly]

yankeesrule11, since per your profile, you're 20 years old, I would suggest understanding that there were several other baseball teams in the past. If you click on the home page for baseball-fever.com, you'll see near the bottom the "Teams of Yesteryear" forums, of which the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers are subforums, amongst other teams.

Dodger Deb is the Moderator of the Brooklyn forum, and shlevine42 is a very quality, knowledgeable and well-learned student of the game, also a long-time Brooklyn Dodgers fan. Please feel free to visit those and other forums for existing threads, and ask questions about the teams as they were back then.

As per BBF protocol, we're all neighbors around here, and this thread specifically is where the folks discuss *PEACEFULLY* the various rivalries around baseball. For the elder citizens here, learning from them is quite acceptable for the younger members, and even highly recommended by this Mod.

Ken and myself are the usual suspects in slinging the zingers (and some "chin music" mud) :D ;) :p, but we're always respectful to one another. Please feel free to join into this discussion with that in mind. There's lots to learn and plenty to enjoy! :)

Thanks. :)

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken! I'll be seeing you from the beginning of next season to the end. Yup, it'll start in the Bronx and end in Little Fenway! ;) :D

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/09/02/you_can_start_thinking_about_yankees_for_05/

[DODGER DEB]

yankeesrule11, since per your profile, you're 20 years old, I would suggest understanding that there were several other baseball teams in the past. If you click on the home page for baseball-fever.com, you'll see near the bottom the "Teams of Yesteryear" forums, of which the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers are subforums, amongst other teams.

Dodger Deb is the Moderator of the Brooklyn forum, and shlevine42 is a very quality, knowledgeable and well-learned student of the game, also a long-time Brooklyn Dodgers fan. Please feel free to visit those and other forums for existing threads, and ask questions about the teams as they were back then.

As per BBF protocol, we're all neighbors around here, and this thread specifically is where the folks discuss *PEACEFULLY* the various rivalries around baseball. For the elder citizens here, learning from them is quite acceptable for the younger members, and even highly recommended by this Mod.

Ken and myself are the usual suspects in slinging the zingers (and some "chin music" mud) :D ;) :p, but we're always respectful to one another. Please feel free to join into this discussion with that in mind. There's lots to learn and plenty to enjoy! :)

Thanks. :)



Bleachercreature11, YOU would do well to heed the good advice from Mattingly, shlevine, and the others who are attempting to steer YOU in the "knowledgeable" direction. YOU could learn much about the game of Baseball on BBF, and its long and wonderful history, by listening to what is being said, or has been discussed, and then joining in by adding your voice in an opinion or a question.

I agree that the Red Sox/Yankee rivalry is presently at the top of the "hit parade", but it doesn't hold a candle to the #1 rivalry in Baseball, or perhaps more correctly described as "WAR" by shlevine, the rivalry between the BROOKLYN DODGERS/NEW YORK GIANTS. NOTHING has come close to touching it....and I am not sure anything ever will. Those of US who were there, either at OUR EBBETS FIELD or at the Polo Grounds, can attest to how UGLY it really got. Being in the same city WE lived with it every day!

BTW, thanks, guys, for all your kind words.

c.

[Mattingly]

Dodger Deb, the words are always well-deserved, especially due to the amount of knowledge you Brooklyn fans have imparted upon me of a game I love so much, and in a city and borough I consider so dear!

The good thing about baseball is that it's very similar to life: you can learn more by listening than by talking, and getting schooled by your elders who've been there before and know what to look for ain't such a bad thing!

Now then, Dodger Deb, since we can always tell a Brooklyn girl, can we ever tell her much? :D ;) :p :laugh

[DODGER DEB]

Dodger Deb, the words are always well-deserved, especially due to the amount of knowledge you Brooklyn fans have imparted upon me of a game I love so much, and in a city and borough I consider so dear!

The good thing about baseball is that it's very similar to life: you can learn more by listening than by talking, and getting schooled by your elders who've been there before and know what to look for ain't such a bad thing!

Now then, Dodger Deb, since we can always tell a Brooklyn girl, can we tell her much? :D ;) :p :laugh


Well, Matt, there is a very famous Shortstop that would tell you......"NO"! ;)

c.

[Mattingly]

:laugh :D :p :laugh That was my play on words for your "You can always tell a Brooklyn girl, but you can't tell her much", to those not familiar. :)

Oh well, there's a parade going on in *BROOKLYN* today by Eastern Parkway. I'll bring my camera, but gotta get 1 hour of sleep first. :eek:

Seeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :)

BTW, Pee Wee said "No" to what? I'm missing something here (which wouldn't be unusual in my case). ;) :D

[J W]

I would like to elaborate on the growing Orioles-Devil Rays rivalry, in which the O's have proudly taken a one game lead in the all-time series!

First, um...

. . .

oh, never mind.

[prof93]

There is little question that the Redsox-Yankee Rivalry has been in the past and is today a heated one. How many times have we all witnessed the RedSox failing down the stretch to their hated Rivals....the Bronx Bombers.


That being said, the Brookyln-New York Battles were absolute "warfare". A battle not only for NL supremecy, but for borough bragging rites. Those battles often decided who won the NL in the late 40's thru the 50's. Records didn't matter, the Dodgers and the Giants didn't just want to win those games, they wanted to leave little doubt who the better team was.

A student of the game may be forgiven for not knowing of this rivalry, but a student of baseball history cannot be for such a gross oversight.

[KenFougere]

This has nothing to do with the baseball team on the field . . .
:evil - but, trying to squeeze a forfeit from MLB because the Devil Rays needed to stay home to protect their families during hurricane Frances was pretty low, then to demand reimbursement for the hot dogs & soda provided for the fans is as petty as you can get! - :ughh

[KenFougere]

Red Sox play the Yank way / Pitch & catch way into race (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/229683p-197271c.html)

[KenFougere]

This is getting scarry . . .

So far (8th inn) in the 3 game sweep of Oakland, we've outscored the A's 23-4 . . . :clapping - :rolleyes:

Pedro hasn't given up an earned run in his last 20 innings . . .

[KenFougere]

Seriously though . . . Who is the "Ace" of your staff? - :noidea - :confused: - :cool: (http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20040910_NYY@BAL)


(Because I can't tell who it is and I thought you might know.)

[Mattingly]

El Duque and Moose.

[KenFougere]

El Duque and Moose.


Moose . . . now he's the one with the 9w & 9L record, right? - :confused: - :noidea

[ElHalo]

Seriously though . . . Who is the "Ace" of your staff? - :noidea - :confused: - :cool: (http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20040910_NYY@BAL)


(Because I can't tell who it is and I thought you might know.)


Um... unlike the Red Sox, the Yankees have the best starting pitcher in baseball right now.

Orlando "Say Hello to my Little Friend" Hernandez is absolutely gang busters right now... this seems like the kind of story Disney would make a movie about if anybody knew El Duque's real age.

You throw up Pedro, we throw up a junk baller who couldn't top 90 falling out of an airplane and who still strikes out more than a batter an inning... I'm happy with our chances.

Seriously... add up all the arm angles and speed changes, and I'm pretty sure El Duque's got at least 80 completely different pitches working for him right now. Good Luck!

:waving :waving :waving



although the rest of our rotation leaves something to be desired... :rolleyes:

[ElHalo]

The Yankees have El Duque. Really all I care about.

That 2.49 ERA is looking mighty nice right about now.



See you in October!

:waving :waving :waving

(If you make it...)

[Mattingly]

Moose . . . now he's the one with the 9w & 9L record, right? - :confused: - :noidea
Go to the bottom of his game log and see his last 2 starts: 7.0 IP, 2 ER; 8.0 IP, 1 ER. Ace enuff fer ya?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=4715

Check out Lieber's last 2: 7.0, 0 ER; 6.2, 2 ER. Sounds like a few back-to-back consecutive starts to me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=5235

You Yankee bashers need to realize that if the SP (which would be Lieber) gets lit up early, it strains the pen tremendously, both f/that game and other games. Rookie Halsey got lit up, then so did Vazquez. That's why Sturtze was needed in the prior game, then Loaiza of all people, was needed in the other game. Had Esteban been brought in before more damage was done, we might've had a fighting chance to win that game. However, I'll still give credit to the Orioles for winning it.

[BoSox Rule]

We'll put Pedro out there, and you'll put out the Duke. Pedro's better, but just to make sure:

The Major League leader in Wins.

[Mattingly]

BoSox Rule, you, Ken and every single Yankee hater, sigs & avs next week and the one afterwards!

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken, by next Monday, I'll have to shrink-wrap this to an av just your size:



:D :laugh :gt :waving :dance

[Mattingly]

Calling all Beantowners, calling all Beantowners. It's that time again. Which time is it? Howdee Doodie time? Nooooooo, kiddies, not this time!

M-I-C ... K-E-Y ...

Y? Becuz we're gonna rock and roll all over you in da Bronx, that's why!

Yo, Ken, shall I count you in? Or would 'umz be cluckin' like one of Frank Perdue's finest?

You're gonna be fried, died and put aside like the Colonel's wings!

Now then, you and BoSox Rule are both invited to the party. However, you'll have to find your own way home, but at least you'll both be "properly attired"!
:D ;) :p :laugh :gt :waving

[DODGER DEB]

Calling all Beantowners, calling all Beantowners. It's that time again. Which time is it? Howdee Doodie time? Nooooooo!

M-I-C ... K-E-Y ...

Y? Becuz we're gonna rock and roll all over you in da Bronx, that's why!

Yo, Ken, shall I count you in? Or would 'umz be cluckin' like one of Frank Perdue's finest?

You're gonna be fried, died and put aside like the Colonel's wings!

Now then, you and BoSox Rule are both invited to the party. However, you'll have to find your own way home, but at least you'll both be "properly attired"!
:D ;) :p :laugh :gt :waving


I am sure most BEANTOWNERS can navigate their way around "DA BRONX"....but, should they need help, not to worry, BEANTOWNERS, I AM HERE, READY and ABLE, to HELP ALL of YOU!!!! :waving

As for the rest of your comments, MATT, aren't YOU getting a little ahead of yourself?:p :rolleyes: ;)


KEEP on BELIEVING............

GO SOX!!!

c.

[Mattingly]

Deb, you double-posted, so I deleted the 2nd one. 'kay?

Oh no! Dodger Deb is here to save the day! :eek:

So watcha gonna do? Make me wear a byoodeeful Brooklyn av & 10/4/55 sig? :D ;)

Still, my word to Beantowners: Watcha all gonna do when Yankee domination since NINETEEN TWENTY-THREE reins supreme and runs wild all over you?!
:waving :gt :p

[Pedro Cerrano]

As a Ranger fan I used to say I love beating Seattle and New York the most. With the Yanks knocking us out of the playoffs in 96, 98 & 99. Though recently I have no beef with the Yanks or the M's. I guess it changes from year to year because Texas really has no rival. Interleague play has made a Rangers/Astros series interesting but this is still not a true rivalry. This season Ive looked forward to playing Oakland and Anaheim the most. This chair incident (though the As players had nothing to do with it) with Oakland and the Adam Kennedy/Gerald Laird incident earlier in the year has really made me dislike both of those teams way more than Seattle or New York. My wife and I also went to a Yankee game in June, plus we are moving to New York City next July so my hatred for the Yanks is turning into a simple dislike.

[trosmok]

That three and half game lead is looking mighty slim, particularly because the Red Sox are as hot as dime pistols. I don't watch many AL games, but the only NL broadcast in my area is Braves v. Fish, so I will only occasionally see what the Marlins are doing to fall more than three behind the Cubs tonight. Can't wait to see what the Yankees are going to do with the return of Giambi, and where Williams and Lofton will fit in as a result.

[ElHalo]

I'm not worried about the Yanks tonight. El Duque vs. Bronson Arroyo... tomorrow, we got Lieber and Lowe. I'll be sweating that one a bit more.

But as hot as the Red Sox have been, surprise surprise... the Yanks have been just as hot the last couple weeks.

L10:
Boston: 7-3
NYY: 8-2

And as far as Giambi goes... he might not play. If I was Torre, I wouldn't play him this series at all. I'd rather have Ruben Sierra in the lineup. Giambi really has been looking like he should just call it a year (if not a career...).

[Mattingly]

That three and half game lead is looking mighty slim, particularly because the Red Sox are as hot as dime pistols. I don't watch many AL games, but the only NL broadcast in my area is Braves v. Fish, so I will only occasionally see what the Marlins are doing to fall more than three behind the Cubs tonight. Can't wait to see what the Yankees are going to do with the return of Giambi, and where Williams and Lofton will fit in as a result.
So which games do you mostly watch if not many AL games and Braves-Fish is the only one you're watching? You picking this up on TBS?

Giambi = DH. This cuts it thin, since Sheffield also DHs when he's aching (or less so than usual). Bernie also DHs. Lofton is our CF, and alternate RF at times (mostly when Jeter has gotten hurt).

[trosmok]

Espn will broadcast the bitter rivals game, and sadly, TBS is the only other game tonight. Espn2 will likely have yet another college football game, FoxSports won't show the Cubs v. Reds, they've got Wisconson v. Arizona football on. The way things are looking, rain could wash out one of my few Friday nights off, they already postponed the Mets at Pirates because of the deluge. :(

[DODGER DEB]

Well, EVERYONE, are WE going to follow the GAME TONIGHT on this thread, or Matt, do you plan on opening a new one just for this game?? :noidea :waving

Tell, tell....

c.

[Mattingly]

Exhibit A

How to take care of wayward Beantowners





pahk a few into the rf bleachahs

[Mattingly]

Well, EVERYONE, are WE going to follow the GAME TONIGHT on this thread, or Matt, do you plan on opening a new one just for this game?? :noidea :waving

Tell, tell....

c.I'd prefer a new thread, weather permitting. Feel free to start it. :)

We've had game threads here before after the Yanks got blown out 22-zip, so a new thread would be great. I happen to enjoy this thread to discuss stuff related to the various rivalries (or wars!) :D ;) in baseball, not a specific game.

BTW, did you see that I'd deleted (but not physically removed) your duplicate thread?

[DODGER DEB]

I'd prefer a new thread, weather permitting. Feel free to start it. :)

We've had game threads here before after the Yanks got blown out 22-zip, so a new thread would be great. I happen to enjoy this thread to discuss stuff related to the various rivalries (or wars!) :D ;) in baseball, not a specific game.

BTW, did you see that I'd deleted (but not physically removed) your duplicate thread?


I did, and thank you, Matt.

I must have hit submit twice and didn't even realize it.

It does look like the game might make it tonight according to the latest weather forecast, about 10 minutes ago.

c.

[Mattingly]

You're quite welcome, Deb.

weather.com: http://www.weather.com/weather/local/10451?lswe=10451&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared

ny1.com (NYC cable channel): http://www.ny1.com/Weather/index.html (heavy rain expected)

nytimes.com: http://www.nytimes.com/weather/ (Thundershowers expected)

[Mattingly]

[KenFougere]

The Yankees have El Duque. Really all I care about.

That 2.49 ERA is looking mighty nice right about now.



See you in October!

:waving :waving :waving

(If you make it...)
He did look good but it's a shame he wilted in the rain . . .

[KenFougere]

Exhibit A

How to take care of wayward Beantowners





pahk a few into the rf bleachahs

:rolleyes: - I do want to thank you for the hospitality and don't bother straining your neck looking behind you...soon you'll only have to look in front of you to see us :laugh . . . We're enjoying ourselves . . .

[DODGER DEB]

YES!!!!!!

c.

[Mattingly]

:rolleyes: - I do want to thank you for the hospitality and don't bother straining your neck looking behind you...soon you'll only have to look in front of you to see us :laugh . . . We're enjoying ourselves . . .
Where were you for avs & sigs time? Hiding under the couch? C'mon, man, you know the routine. I call you out, you say that we've got a bet. Yadda, yadda.

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken, jut got back in from hearing about how invincible Pedro is. Do I have to wear that Bahstunned av and sig? Pedro killed us, didn't he? Moose folded like a lawn chair bought at a flea market, didn't he?

[BC498]

Don't you just love what happens when the weather turns from summer to fall? :dance

Now once the Yanks finish the job in Fenway I'll feel much better. As long as Lofton is not in center that is.

[KenFougere]

Hey, Ken, jut got back in from hearing about how invincible Pedro is. Do I have to wear that Bahstunned av and sig? Pedro killed us, didn't he? Moose folded like a lawn chair bought at a flea market, didn't he?

You didn't hear that from me, did you?
Moose did pitch a good game and Pedro didn't. In both cases, their perfomances were definately the exception to the rule . . . :lookitup - Just like any season before, this year, your Moose can only dream of having Pedro's numbers. 'Enough said? - :cool:

[KenFougere]

Don't you just love what happens when the weather turns from summer to fall? :dance

Now once the Yanks finish the job in Fenway I'll feel much better. As long as Lofton is not in center that is.

First of all...the results next weekend in Boston will be totally different . . . bet on it...I'm gonna! - :cool:

BTW: Why did Lofton pull back from that fly ball anyway? - :noidea

[Mattingly]

First of all...the results next weekend in Boston will be totally different . . . bet on it...I'm gonna! - :cool:

BTW: Why did Lofton pull back from that fly ball anyway? - :noidea
Sometimes my boys do strange things. Like the last ALCS, when Sori didn't try scoring from 3B on a sac fly to noose-armed Caveman.

That lack of effort got Lofton booted from the series, as he should've expected. He should've charged full-tilt, since he'd said all along he was a CFer. If it gets past you, at least make an effort of it.

[Mattingly]

You didn't hear that from me, did you?
Moose did pitch a good game and Pedro didn't. In both cases, their perfomances were definately the exception to the rule . . . :lookitup - Just like any season before, this year, your Moose can only dream of having Pedro's numbers. 'Enough said? - :cool:
I'll get out the butane burner and turn the torch on.

[KenFougere]

Sometimes my boys do strange things. Like the last ALCS, when Sori didn't try scoring from 3B on a sac fly to noose-armed Caveman.

That lack of effort got Lofton booted from the series, as he should've expected. He should've charged full-tilt, since he'd said all along he was a CFer. If it gets past you, at least make an effort of it.

But the funny thing was that it wasn't even a semi-line drive...it was a pop up! No way that could get by you, if anything it might of just stuck in the mud with all the rain that day! - :laugh

[Mattingly]

But the funny thing was that it wasn't even a semi-line drive...it was a pop up! No way that could get by you, if anything it might of just stuck in the mud with all the rain that day! - :laugh I can see Demon (errrrrrrr, I'd meant Caveman) making that catch then doing a single somersault. This guy calls himself a CF, played RF last night because he's got an arm (unlike Bernie), and can't make that catch?! :rolleyes: :o :(

I remember in the ALDS 2002, Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuul Mondesi (per his "rollcall" at YS) let one drop which cost us a few runs.

OK, Ken, you're on re the bet. Avs and sigs, the regular sig you're using and the regular one I've used re the 1927 Yanks.

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken, I found your new screensaver:

[Mattingly]

Anyone know what the exact pitch matchups are this weekend at Fenway?

In the meanwhile, Ken and BoSox Rule, here's something to keep you two happy:


:D ;) :p :gt :laugh

[SoxSon]

Friday:
Pedro vs. Mussina
Saturday:
Wakefield vs. Vasquez
Sunday:
Schilling vs. Loaiza

[Mattingly]

Thanks for the weekend matchups, SoxSon.

BTW, due to my extreme generosity :D ;), it's now two-for-1 night here. I'll bet two of you Beantowners that we'll win. I win (which I will), both of you wear my sigs and avs for a week. You win, I wear yours for a week apiece. C'mon, it's an easy bet, isn't it? You believe in your Sawx, don'tcha?

[ElHalo]

I'm hopeful for the Vazquez/Wakefield matchup tonight, but that Schilling/Loiaza matchup tomorrow is BRUTAL. Why is Loiaza starting? Can't Sturtze or Halsey start? Doesn't Torre realize that the Staten Island Yankees have starters that are better than Loiaza?

The Yankees magic number is 4. Meaning that if they sweep these next two games, they clinch the division. And...

If the playoffs started today, the Yanks would host the A's, who would be throwing an ineffective Barry Zito and a fading Mark Mulder at us to go along with their no offense... and the BoSox would be facing the Twinkies, at the Metrodome, who could throw Johan Santana out for 2 games in a 5 game series.

I'm fairly happy right now. If we win today, I'll be ecstatic.

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken, I may have to learn to sire better children, but ...
:D ;) :p :laugh :gt :waving

[Mattingly]

EH: Brown may start on Sunday, rather than Loaiza. If Loaiza, I say bring Moose back. (j/k (just kidding))

[ElHalo]

EH: Brown may start on Sunday, rather than Loaiza. If Loaiza, I say bring Moose back. (j/k (just kidding))

Honestly, I'd rather see Jim Kaat come down out of the announcer's booth and start than Esteban Loiaza. I can't remember a Yankee pitcher I had as little faith in as Loiaza. And that's hard to do, because we've had Gabe White and Felix Heredia just THIS year.

[Mattingly]

Honestly, I'd rather see Jim Kaat come down out of the announcer's booth and start than Esteban Loiaza. I can't remember a Yankee pitcher I had as little faith in as Loiaza. And that's hard to do, because we've had Gabe White and Felix Heredia just THIS year.I was about to say, "If it were against Bronson Arroyo, I wouldn't mind", but then again, Arroyo did outpitch Lowe and Pedro last weekend.

Loaiza's finally turned in a decent performance in his last outing (see that thread in the NYY forum), but it cries for "*ENCORE*", but this obviously isn't the time or the place to see if that was a fluke or not. I'll take Brown, knowing that Sturtze can go 3+ good innings, even if Brown can only work 3 or 4 innings.

As to Sunday's game, "In Joe I Trust".

[mojorisin71]

Meanwhile in San Francisco, the Giants and Dodgers are engaged in a 5-5 dogfight. The crowd at SBC is disgusted at the fact that Barry walked 4 times in the game, but the Dodgers, whom many had given up for dead after losing 2 out of 3 to San Diego, aren't going quietly. No fights or any incidents outside SBC Park have been reported...yet.

[Mattingly]

Kevin Brown and Curt Schilling go for all the marbles tomorrow.

[SoxSon]

Mattingly--
Where do you see Brown for Sunday? I'm still getting info that Loaiza's on the mound. Oh, and by the way, I guess I'm your Daddy for Saturday night, huh?

P.S. Have you noticed that I never responded to your bet? I figured that if I just stayed real quiet like, and didn't even respond...oh, shoot! ;)

[Mattingly]

Mattingly--
Where do you see Brown for Sunday? I'm still getting info that Loaiza's on the mound. Oh, and by the way, I guess I'm your Daddy for Saturday night, huh?

P.S. Have you noticed that I never responded to your bet? I figured that if I just stayed real quiet like, and didn't even respond...oh, shoot! ;)It was said on the YES network. They'd said that he'd passed w/flying colors some test in which he had to do fielding. It wasn't just, "Well, can he at least catch the ball", but he did great fielding.

I don't know about how well he'll pitch after some time off, but I've heard about some special glove being made for him.

It must be some MLB requirement that a pitcher must wear a glove, since even one-handed pitcher Jim Abbott (southpaw) threw a no-hitter and placed the lefty mitt on the stubb of his right arm, which was severed/amputated or whatever above the elbow. He then caught the ball w/his left pitching hand.

I'll fill everyone in on details as they come in. In the meanwhile, if you're up late, check yankees.com, nydailynews.com, nypost.com or other Yankees sites. If not, I'll do the shlepwork. :)

As to being my Daddy, nope. I don't know if Pedro was joking or not, but he seemed frustrated about his inability to get the win. I don't know why he tries doing it all by himself, since 7 IP is plenty. Who knows?

As to the bet, it's a rubber match, so it's still open. Please reply before 7pm ET and you're in. Just don't edit that post.

[Mattingly]

SoxSon, here's your link to Brown pitching on Sunday: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1888702

BOSTON -- Kevin Brown will return to the New York Yankees' rotation Sunday to start the series finale against the Boston Red Sox.

[SoxSon]

Well, I'm just not a betting man...my grandmother would roll over in her grave if I bet with a Yankee fan. :laugh
I actually was making fun of Pedro for that comment about "Daddy," though it's safe to say we did serve you guys with a good old-fashioned whoopin' on Saturday. Not that I'm bragging, given the run differential last weekend.
I actually found the info on Brown immediately after posting...Loaiza was still scheduled on several sites, but it was just starting to change.
As far as today (Sunday) goes, I'm not sure it's for "all the marbles." While I'd love to win, I believe the division is lost to us anyway. Also, does New York realize that with our win last night, we've beat you in the season series? In that respect, we got the marbles already! And because of that, I'm willing to let you guys have the division this year, how's that sound? :D

[BoSox Rule]

I'll take your bet Mattingly. Brown will pitch 4 innings max, and we all know how many Schilling is going to pitch.

Guys, we all know Pedro Martinez is not dumb. He is getting in each and every New York Yankees' head.

EDIT- I know you said 7PM last night, but the game hasn't started yet. If you don't reply by the first pitch in like 5 minutes ( :laugh only 5 minutes) the bets off I guess.

[Mattingly]

Sorry, BoSox Rule, you posted after the scheduled 1st pitch, which was 2:05pm ET. I'll just have to wear Ken's choice of av and regular sig.
:D ;) :p :gt :laugh :waving

[KenFougere]

Sorry, BoSox Rule, you posted after the scheduled 1st pitch, which was 2:05pm ET. I'll just have to wear Ken's choice of av and regular sig.
:D ;) :p :gt :laugh :waving

:waving - Hi ya Matt! - :dance

Well history tells us that Y O U certainly know the routine . . .

Please use my {and your} favorite 'Red Sox' avatar . . .
and my Yastrzemski & Williams sig.

We enjoyed having you up here this weekend and hope you had a nice time!
See you again in October . . . :D - ;)

[Mattingly]

PM me, Ken.

I'll dig up the thing about the bet where you and TFAM said the Yanks would never win the division.

[BoSox Rule]

Sorry, BoSox Rule, you posted after the scheduled 1st pitch, which was 2:05pm ET. I'll just have to wear Ken's choice of av and regular sig.
:D ;) :p :gt :laugh :waving

It's too late now, but I didn't post after the first pitch. The BBF clock is 10 minutes fast.

[Mattingly]

Yeah, but I got you on a technicality.

-- Sneaky Yankee fan ;) :D :p

[KenFougere]

PM me, Ken.

I'll dig up the thing about the bet where you and TFAM said the Yanks would never win the division.

Oh, that's ok. Don't bother yourself.
I don't want you to go out of your way for something so trivial . . . ;) - :o

[Mattingly]

Doesn't matter. You'll have to wear my smack sig & av all winter long. Make sure you keep your laptop powered up if/when we meet up in the ALCS. Just make sure you get there, buddy boy! :D ;)

[KenFougere]

Doesn't matter. You'll have to wear my smack sig & av all winter long. Make sure you keep your laptop powered up if/when we meet up in the ALCS. Just make sure you get there, buddy boy! :D ;)


As a matter of fact, I just installed 256 additional RAM on the laptop . . . - :cool:

[Mattingly]

As a matter of fact, I just installed 256 additional RAM on the laptop . . . - :cool:
Make sure you also install a soundcard and some heavy duty woofers on the speakers. When I say, "THUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU YANKEES WIN!", it'll be at the top of my lungs and I want you to hear it nice and crystal clear. Tell it to all of your buddies when crying over your chowda!

Oh geez, the only "B" guy we've got left is Kevin Brown. Oh well, he'll have to take you guys out in October. Not much help tonight, obviously.

[KenFougere]

Make sure you also install a soundcard and some heavy duty woofers on the speakers. When I say, "THUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU YANKEES WIN!", it'll be at the top of my lungs and I want you to hear it nice and crystal clear. Tell it to all of your buddies when crying over your chowda!

That's what I like most about you New Yorkers . . .

Your humility. - :cool:

Oh geez, the only "B" guy we've got left is Kevin Brown. Oh well, he'll have to take you guys out in October. Not much help tonight, obviously.

With starters like Brown today, it's gonna be tuff for the Yanks in a short playoff series . . . - :p

[Mattingly]

I'll have Jeter pahk one into the Monstah for ya. I'll make sure it makes its way to Bahstunned Hahbah! :)

BTW, what's with this "Buckminster Hotel" thing? I think on ESPN or YES, they'd said that's played a big role in some curse. Then Buckey Dent, Buckner. It was heavy emphasis on "Buck". Then something about one game played on some Yankee network. The details are extremely fuzzy, as I didn't catch much.

You know anything of this?

[KenFougere]

I'll have Jeter pahk one into the Monstah for ya. I'll make sure it makes its way to Bahstunned Hahbah! :)

BTW, what's with this "Buckminster Hotel" thing? I think on ESPN or YES, they'd said that's played a big role in some curse. Then Buckey Dent, Buckner. It was heavy emphasis on "Buck". Then something about one game played on some Yankee network. The details are extremely fuzzy, as I didn't catch much.

You know anything of this?
Not a clue. Was it in print too or just on TV? - :confused:

[KenFougere]

I'll have Jeter pahk one into the Monstah for ya. :)

Into the monster?
As long as it's not over it, that's fine with me! - :D - ;)

[Mattingly]

Not a clue. Was it in print too or just on TV? - :confused: TV. Happened when I was doing my laundry, then getting lunch. It was on YES.

[mojorisin71]

Meanwhile, on the West Coast, the Dodgers have taken two out of three from the Giants in San Francisco, after everyone had given them up for dead (Sportsline ran a beautiful article saying why the Dodgers weren't going to win the division against the red-hot Giants.) Anyway, LA ends its final roadtrip 2½ games ahead of SF and it may just come down to the last day of the season. How's THAT for a "bitter rivalry"?

[Mattingly]

Meanwhile, on the West Coast, the Dodgers have taken two out of three from the Giants in San Francisco, after everyone had given them up for dead (Sportsline ran a beautiful article saying why the Dodgers weren't going to win the division against the red-hot Giants.) Anyway, LA ends its final roadtrip 2½ games ahead of SF and it may just come down to the last day of the season. How's THAT for a "bitter rivalry"?If there's a one-game playoff, make sure it's played in California. Right now, we'll have to get Jeter to "pahk one over the Monstah".

[mojorisin71]

If there's a one-game playoff, make sure it's played in California. Right now, we'll have to get Jeter to "pahk one over the Monstah".

Silly me, I thought this was the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry thread. :noidea

The one-game playoff will be played in San Francisco, if necessary. No reports of violence outside SBC Park anyway. But Dodger fans are crazier in LA, so that's why I'm going to go to next weekend's games with some kevlar or something.

[KenFougere]

CBS Sportsline - A.L. Playoff Positioning (http://sportsline.com/mlb/powerrankings)

[Mattingly]

Silly me, I thought this was the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry thread. :noidea

The one-game playoff will be played in San Francisco, if necessary. No reports of violence outside SBC Park anyway. But Dodger fans are crazier in LA, so that's why I'm going to go to next weekend's games with some kevlar or something.
Nahhhhh, just borrow some of Barry's armor. After that, you can just wear one of those helmets, body armor and an armored horse, then call yourself Sir Lancelot. You'll be protected. :D ;)

Well, it's mostly Red Sox/Yankees. Of course, it's about all rivalries. However, the two east coast teams seem to garner the most attention of the current clubs in this category. Ken and I try doing our share! :)

[Mattingly]

CBS Sportsline - A.L. Playoff Positioning (http://sportsline.com/mlb/powerrankings)



But Ken, I thought there was no curse? Shall it be reversed or did it never exist? You Beantowners gotta stick w/one answer. One reply by sign, another that "there's no tooth fairies either". C'mon, make up your minds, dude! :)

[KenFougere]

But Ken, I thought there was no curse? Shall it be reversed or did it never exist? You Beantowners gotta stick w/one answer. One reply by sign, another that "there's no tooth fairies either". C'mon, make up your minds, dude! :)

I wanted to buy something for a friend.
But what can you get for someone who thinks he knows . . .
I mean, has everything?


- Then it came to me! -


To my New York buddy (http://www.cursereverse.com/YankeeConversionPackage.htm )

[Mattingly]

Ahhhhhhhh, so you people *DO* believe in the curse, eh? Isn't that why Babe's grand-daughter was at Fenway in the '99 ALCS? How'd that one work out, anyway?

Ken's statement at the next of October:

:grouchy MFy's!

Ken's statement next March and April:

THIS IS OUR YEAR!

In case you'd forgotten, I'll have to explain Beantown-speak to a resident Beantowner: "this is our year" comes automatically after another *LOSERBOY* season, as always.

86 years and counting. Get used to it, if you haven't already!
:D ;) :p :laugh :gt

Hiya, Ken! :waving

[ElHalo]

Wow. Pedro giving up 4 earned in the first two innings against the D-RAYS? Can it be that Petey Pablo has lost his magic mojo juice? I guess we'll see come October.

See ya there! :waving

[Mattingly]

Reminder: no politics, please. :)

[Mattingly]

Ken and TFAM:

You both know you bet me, so please go to baberuth.com and pick an av. Thanks.

Yanks clinch the division on Bernie's 2-run jack.

[Mattingly]

E v e r y - M a n - F o r - H i m s e l f ?



46 Andy Pettitte 21
22 Roger Clemens 17
33 David Wells 15
18 Jeff Weaver 7
-60 wins


Wow, that's alot to make up . . . :rolleyes:

But now with Tony Clark's (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7515) bat in the line up, you'll hardly notice those 60 wins lost from your starting rotation . . .

If he helps you like he did us, we're in BIG trouble!!!! :rolleyes:
From 1/1/2004 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=6638&page=104&pp=25), post #2599.

[ElHalo]

Actually, Tony Clark helped us out just fine.

And who needs Jason Giambi, or, say, pitching, when you've got Jeter-ARod-Sheffield-Matsui-Posada staring you in the face?

You realize that the entire decade of the 1980's saw two seasons by individual players who went .300/.400/.500 with 100 R, 100 RBI, and 30 HR (one by George Brett, one by Dewey Evans)? We've got an outside chance of having two of them this year (Sheff and Matsui... ok, very outside, but still).

[Mattingly]

Ken, please report for sigs & av duty! :waving

[KenFougere]

2 Straight? - :cool:

[Mattingly]

Ken, we only needed 2 guys to give quality performances for us. We've got Moose, Lieber, Vazquez, Brown. El Duque will be in the pen, just like Derek "bLowe".

You've got Schilling, Arroyo and perhaps Wake. I dunno about Pedro.

Anyway, I hereby challenge any Minnesota fan worth his or her salt to a wager you cannot refuse:

2 weeks minimum, av and smack sig!

Any takers?

[Ontarioguy]

I'm no Twins fan but wuth the demise of my Expos, I need a little incentive. jumping on the bandwagon and a little wager would go a long way in an effeort to keep me interested in Baseball.

In the AL I'm cheering for Boston. As for the NL not really sure, anyone but Atlanta...

[Mattingly]

Ontarioguy, we've been great friends here. I can't humanely ask a fan of a team which has just been forced to relocate to wear my av, so I'd prefer not to bet you. Other fans, yes, but not you, please. :)

I'm glad you can keep your chin up and enjoy such a beautiful game. Very sad to see this happen to your team and I hope that you find a team you enjoy, if a specific team at all.

Thanks. :)

[Ontarioguy]

Thanks for the kind words Mattingly. :waving

Believe it or not there is an outside (Very outside) chance that I put on the Yankees hat. :eek: :crazy As far as I know the only other team which I can get there games on the radio during the daytime are the Yanks from Lake Placid. For me to be able to follow a team I need to be able to hear all their games. I get Lots of signals at night once the sun sets but that's ony in the late innings and you really can't follow a team on 3-4 innings of night ball.

Unless I can find either a local Mets or Red Sox affiliate I may be relegated to the Yanks.

But until next year I'm still hating on them :p ;)

[Mattingly]

Ontarioguy, we're all neighbors around here, so you're quite welcome. :)

Hope to see you stick around a whole lot longer. All fans are important, and you and your fellow Montreal Expos fans are no exception to this! :)

As to listening to the NY teams, the Mets are on WFAN (http://www.wfan.com), 660AM. They're also on Fox (this season just ended, anyway), FSNY (or your local affiliate), MSG and WPIX.

The Yanks are on WCBS (http://www.wcbs880.com/), 880AM, as well as YES, ESPN, CBS, FOX.

I don't know what radio reception would be like from Canada, but you can certainly try, especially if you've got a good AM antenna. Lots of team forums here, so feel free to pop yourself into any of these and ask how the game's going. Never know, you could be a roving (and raving) fan from Canada wishing well and history lessons to interested fans out there. :D ;)

[Mattingly]

Uhmmmm, Ken should be "properly attired" in some real clothing by tomorrow. :)

[Mattingly]

Still no takers? Big matchup in 15 or 20 minutes and no fans of Minnesota wish to bet avs & sigs f/two weeks or more?

[KenFougere]

Ken and TFAM:

You both know you bet me, so please go to baberuth.com and pick an av. Thanks.

Yanks clinch the division on Bernie's 2-run jack.

You know Matt, I sort of remember the bet being 'which team goes further in the playoffs' instead of the regular season standings . . .
{I could be wrong, but I'm just not so sure . . . - :confused: }

[insanefishpossay]

Still no takers? Big matchup in 15 or 20 minutes and no fans of Minnesota wish to bet avs & sigs f/two weeks or more?

Bah, I don't normally read this thread, as it's usually Red Sox vs. Yankees.

I'll take you up on your offer.... if you're still up to it after tonights game, that is. ;)

[Mattingly]

You know Matt, I sort of remember the bet being 'which team goes further in the playoffs' instead of the regular season standings . . .
{I could be wrong, but I'm just not so sure . . . - :confused: }
I remember after Boston got Schilling and Rocket, Pettitte, Boomer all left, I still said the Yanks would win the AL East. Yourself and TFAM said that this was the easiest bet they'd ever win.

I don't remember having bet on who goes further into the playoffs. That's a separate bet I don't remember having ever made.

[Mattingly]

Bah, I don't normally read this thread, as it's usually Red Sox vs. Yankees.

I'll take you up on your offer.... if you're still up to it after tonights game, that is. ;)Nope. One thing about a bet is the mystery of the outcome, and the evenness of the score. If it were 1-1 or 2-2 in the series, I'd strongly consider your offer. Down 1-zip, especially your having posted after the game's over, I can't really consider this.

If the Yanks win tomorrow, I'll consider your offer *ONLY* if you post this before Game 3 starts and don't edit your post before the start of said Game 3.

I'd let it be known before the lineups were made that I would be betting, but I'll wait until we're no longer at a disadvantage to accept this offer.

[KenFougere]

All-in-all, not a bad first day starting the playoffs.

Wouldn't you agree, Matt?


:o - :ughh - Ouch. I just checked the scoreboard . . . Sorry about that! - ;)

[Mattingly]

*BONK!*

Ken, you guys weren't facing Santana, we were. Not at his finest, and we blew lots of scoring opportunities. 5 double plays is atrocious, but we'll have to snap out of it and Lieber's start is a must-win.

Moose = 7.0 IP, 2 ER, 2.57 ERA (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20041005_MIN@NYY); Schilling = 6.2 IP, 2 ER, 2.70 ERA (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20041005_BOS@ANA). I'll take a fine Game 1 effort, even if outpitched. :)

[KenFougere]

Pedro makes it 2 down, 1 to go.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

All-in-all, not a bad first day starting the playoffs.

Wouldn't you agree, Matt?


:o - :ughh - Ouch. I just checked the scoreboard . . . Sorry about that! - ;)




Hello Kenfougere,

Did you already see my offer to bet? What do you think about it? Do you dare?

[drillerman]

and as Oklahoma/Texas are bitter rivals.

[insanefishpossay]

Nope. One thing about a bet is the mystery of the outcome, and the evenness of the score. If it were 1-1 or 2-2 in the series, I'd strongly consider your offer. Down 1-zip, especially your having posted after the game's over, I can't really consider this.

If the Yanks win tomorrow, I'll consider your offer *ONLY* if you post this before Game 3 starts and don't edit your post before the start of said Game 3.

I'd let it be known before the lineups were made that I would be betting, but I'll wait until we're no longer at a disadvantage to accept this offer.

Thanks to very poor managing by Ron Gardenhire, the series is now tied 1-1.

Still about 2 and a half hours before Game 3 begins. I'm still up for the bet if you are.

[Mattingly]

Thanks to very poor managing by Ron Gardenhire, the series is now tied 1-1.

Still about 2 and a half hours before Game 3 begins. I'm still up for the bet if you are.I was going to post about a bet, but I can't do that in good conscience, especially w/my Yanks up 3-1 in the score.

Let's just say that if it's a final game 5, it's automatic that we should vote.

Sorry about today, and you did post before gametime, but I was drenched in work. My bad. :o :(

[Mattingly]

As mentioned in the Boston forum, congratulations Boston Red Sox on sweeping the ALDS, their first postseason sweep since 1975 of the A's.

[MudvilleMike]

Thanks to very poor managing by Ron Gardenhire, the series is now tied 1-1.



I still can't believe it. He out-Gradied Grady by a mile.

[KenFougere]

S W E P T !

[Sandman]

[ElHalo]

One more for another "matchup for the ages." As I recall, we did pretty well against Schilling and Pedro this year... hopefully, we can either beat Johan on short rest (which I'm not holding my breath for), or blow out Radke on short rest back in Da Bronx (much more likely).

And maybe, just maybe... I'll get an early Halloween present, and El Duque's arm will no longer be tired.

[Mattingly]

Thanks to very poor managing by Ron Gardenhire, the series is now tied 1-1.

Still about 2 and a half hours before Game 3 begins. I'm still up for the bet if you are.My apologies if I'd forgotten about it. In the Brooklyn forum, there's a thread about which team would you vote for. I'd bet long-time Dodger fan, Jackie42 that if the Yanks lost the pennant, I'd wear his current av of a smiling Jackie Robinson. If the Yanks won the pennant, he'd wear my current av of a smiling Lou Gehrig. All bets are until the 1st game of the regular season. :eek:

So right now, all bets are off. I'll have to depend upon ElHalo and Yankee Mike to do the rest of the betting for me. If the Yanks manage to go to the WS, then I'd be free to bet.

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken, get on the bus--to da Bronx!

[MudvilleMike]

Hey, Ken, get on the bus--to da Bronx!

I'm really not sure I'm up for this. Oh, boy.

[Mattingly]

I'm already spoken for re betting avs & sigs. See the thread in the Brooklyn forum re who they're rooting for in the postseason.

Now then, would some of you Red Sox and Yankee fans put some avs & sigs on the table? Yourself, SoxSon, and you too, VT, all of you should bet.

ElHalo, Gaijin, dgarza, c'mon, let's put some wagers on the table and up the ante sky high, folks! Don't let this opportunity go to waste! :)

[ElHalo]

All right... Sox win, two weeks of BoSox sigs and avs of your choice. Any Red Sox fans that want to take it?

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken, I was just rummaging through my garage and found this rare item! How do you like it?


:D ;) :p :gt :laugh

[Foolmaster]

what a horrible picture.

do you guys realize this thread is 137 pages long? thats rather a lot.

[ElHalo]

Mattingly, awesome picture.

As to the thread being long... yeah, it's gone on for years.

[Mattingly]

what a horrible picture.

do you guys realize this thread is 137 pages long? thats rather a lot.Oh, I thought it was a lovely bit of artwork.

As to this thread, it's where fans of various teams razz each other quite a bit. It seems that it's mostly the AL East division leaders who do this, but then again, that just may be accurate.

Everybody has fun here so please enjoy. :) :waving :dance

[BoSox Rule]

If the Yankees are Pedro's daddy then Red Sox are Mariano Rivera's daddy.

Look at the numbers, if you wish:
Entire Year: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_player_splits.jsp?playerID=121250&statType=2&splitSet=1&sitSplit1=vsTbos

After the AS Break: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_player_splits.jsp?playerID=121250&sitSplit1=aas&statType=2&statSet=1&splitSet=4

[ElHalo]

Well, that was then, this is the playoffs. We'll see.

Pedro's pitched three playoff games against the Yankees. Sox are 1-2 in those games. We'll see what happens.

[BoSox Rule]

This year's stats mean A WHOLE lot more than playoff games from 1 year ago, or even 1999 when Pedro shut you guys down.

[ElHalo]

This year's stats mean A WHOLE lot more than playoff games from 1 year ago, or even 1999 when Pedro shut you guys down.

Uh, no, not really. Cause this is the playoffs. And playoffs are a whole different world. A world in which, I might add, Mariano has an 0.71 career ERA in 101 2/3 IP.

[BoSox Rule]

Uh, no, not really. Cause this is the playoffs. And playoffs are a whole different world. A world in which, I might add, Mariano has an 0.71 career ERA in 101 2/3 IP.

That is such a flawed logic.

What a player did 5 years ago, 10 years ago, or even 1 year ago, has no bearing what so ever on a series that hasn't even started yet.

[ElHalo]

That is such a flawed logic.

What a player did 5 years ago, 10 years ago, or even 1 year ago, has no bearing what so ever on a series that hasn't even started yet.

I saw you say in another thread that you're only 15 years old, so I'll lay off a bit, but this certainly isn't true.

By the way... want to take me up on the sigs and avs bet?

[BoSox Rule]

I saw you say in another thread that you're only 15 years old, so I'll lay off a bit, but this certainly isn't true.

By the way... want to take me up on the sigs and avs bet?

No, don't lay off. Tell me how what a player has done in the past has anything to do with now. Because if that were true, Pedro would still be the best pitcher in baseball without question.

I don't care about the bet, though, I'll do it.

[ElHalo]

I don't care about the bet, though, I'll do it.


Ok, it's a bet then.

As to the rest... you'll see.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Now the Yankees have reached the ALCS, it kind of disappoints me that none of the Red Sox fans have congratulated the (in their eyes good) Yankee fans.

It might have happened on a PM of course, but I haven't seen anything on these forums.

Of course I know their disliking of the Yankees, but I'm still a bit disappointed.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[MudvilleMike]

Uh, no, not really. Cause this is the playoffs. And playoffs are a whole different world. A world in which, I might add, Mariano has an 0.71 career ERA in 101 2/3 IP.

I'm with BoSox Rule on this one. Rivera's playoff stats from years ago aren't very meaningful with regards to how well he'll do in the 2004 ALCS.

[MudvilleMike]

Now the Yankees have reached the ALCS, it kind of disappoints me that none of the Red Sox fans have congratulated the (in their eyes good) Yankee fans.

It might have happened on a PM of course, but I haven't seen anything on these forums.

Of course I know their disliking of the Yankees, but I'm still a bit disappointed.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Congratulate a Yankee fan???? You must be joking.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Congratulate a Yankee fan???? You must be joking.

Even on NYYfans.com there were Yankee fans congratulating Red Sox fans when the swept the Angels. And I think they are way more fanatic than the Yankee fans overhere.

But it seems you will never learn. Poor guy.

[Mattingly]

Congratulate a Yankee fan???? You must be joking.Why not? I did it for you guys on your forum. One-way street?

I can confirm that on nyyfans.com, the premiere independently-run Yankee board, that many Yankee fans congratulated the Red Sox fans on their team making the ALCS.

You folks should try a simple "congrats" sometime. Wouldn't hurt. :)

[BoSox Rule]

Why not? I did it for you guys on your forum. One-way street?

I can confirm that on nyyfans.com, the premiere independently-run Yankee board, that many Yankee fans congratulated the Red Sox fans on their team making the ALCS.

You folks should try a simple "congrats" sometime. Wouldn't hurt. :)

Oh well, I say why congratulate? We all knew it was going to come down to these two teams in the AL, except El Halo who I think predicted early exits for both teams.

[KenFougere]

Hey, Ken, I was just rummaging through my garage and found this rare item! How do you like it?


:D ;) :p :gt :laugh

You should put it where it belongs . . . In the garbage. - :cool:

[KenFougere]

Now the Yankees have reached the ALCS, it kind of disappoints me that none of the Red Sox fans have congratulated the (in their eyes good) Yankee fans.

It might have happened on a PM of course, but I haven't seen anything on these forums.

Of course I know their disliking of the Yankees, but I'm still a bit disappointed.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


Everything up to Tuesday was merely a tune-up.
Let's hold the congrats for the new American League Champions.

Ok. Check the Yankee forum . . .

[KenFougere]

1 9 Straight!


:clapping

[BoSox Rule]

1 9 Straight!


:clapping





:gt :clapping :gt :clapping

[KenFougere]

:gt :clapping :gt :clapping


Nice pic ! - :D

[BoSox Rule]

Nice pic ! - :D

You haven't seen anything yet. :D :gt

(don't look now, but here come somes Yankee fans with ring pictures...:D)

[SoxSon]

I'm already spoken for re betting avs & sigs. See the thread in the Brooklyn forum re who they're rooting for in the postseason.

Now then, would some of you Red Sox and Yankee fans put some avs & sigs on the table? Yourself, SoxSon, and you too, VT, all of you should bet.

ElHalo, Gaijin, dgarza, c'mon, let's put some wagers on the table and up the ante sky high, folks! Don't let this opportunity go to waste! :)

Mattingly--
Ok...we're betting on the pennant, then? Not some "who's leading after 5" kind of bet? I'll take it, Mattingly. You know I don't look too good in pinstripes, so I'm crossing my fingers. Then again, you've already been wearing red lately, haven't you? ;) VT, come one, let's do it...why not?
Oh, and by the way, congratulations Yankees on making it to the ALCS. :p

[ElHalo]

Mattingly--
Ok...we're betting on the pennant, then? Not some "who's leading after 5" kind of bet? I'll take it, Mattingly. You know I don't look too good in pinstripes, so I'm crossing my fingers. Then again, you've already been wearing red lately, haven't you? ;) VT, come one, let's do it...why not?
Oh, and by the way, congratulations Yankees on making it to the ALCS. :p

Actually, Mattingly had to back out of the bet because of a pre-existing bet on this very subject that he had with some Dodgers fans. But I'd be more than willing to take the bet up.

Two weeks worth of sigs and avs to the winner of the American League Championship Series. Already got one bet lined up. Let's take some more.

[SoxSon]

ElHalo--
Avs ok, sigs no...I don't have one now, and I don't want one. Particularly since you've got War and Peace over there.
Ok, so avs for ElHalo and me...anyone else? VT, come on!

[Mattingly]

You should put it where it belongs . . . In the garbage. - :cool: Nahhhhhhhhh, why bother? Oh, did I mention something?

DADDY'S HOME!

I'll make sure you folks enjoy lots of NFL, and *ONLY* NFL real soon--starting somewhere next week! :cool:

BTW, in this thread (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=20827), I've bet long-time Brooklyn Dodger fan, Jackie42, that if the Yanks don't win the pennant, I wear his current Jackie av; if they win the pennant, he wears my current Gehrig av. Those bets last until the 1st day of MLB baseball in April. :eek:

If anyone wishes to bet sigs only, that's fine by me.

[ElHalo]

Ok, sounds good. Avs then.

[MudvilleMike]

Even on NYYfans.com there were Yankee fans congratulating Red Sox fans when the swept the Angels. And I think they are way more fanatic than the Yankee fans overhere.

But it seems you will never learn. Poor guy.

If the Yankee plane crashes, I'll congratulate you.

I'm kidding...I think. :D

[MudvilleMike]

You folks should try a simple "congrats" sometime. Wouldn't hurt. :)

Oh, yes it would.

[ElHalo]

Oh, yes it would.

No it wouldn't. I could say Congrats and Good Luck to Boston fans with ease... and did, last night, hanging out down Bleeker Street watching the Boston fans and the Yankee fans mingle around off of Sullivan.

Doesn't hurt to like your enemy. Long as you beat them.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

If the Yankee plane crashes, I'll congratulate you.

I'm kidding...I think. :D

I'm sorry to say pal, but you are (almost) as pathetic as the fanactics on NYYfans.com.

Once again. You guys are so blinded by hatred for each other, you guys will never learn.

[Mattingly]

If the Yankee plane crashes, I'll congratulate you.

I'm kidding...I think. :D

I'm sorry to say pal, but you are (almost) as pathetic as the fanactics on NYYfans.com.

Once again. You guys are so blinded by hatred for each other, you guys will never learn.
Both of you guys/gals can take it easy now. You know, there's a simple reason why we can have a thread like this here, but not on that other board: civility between fans of other teams.

Through no fault of the excellent Admins and Mods there, many people see it as a Yankee board and thua a target to lay the smack down. That, however, wouldn't represent the majority of quality posters there. Here, we also practice civility. I seriously doubt that since there are so many Red Sox fans on a Yankee board, they could have this kind of thread. Too much mistrust. That's why we have this thread here: so that fans of both teams can openly root for their team, throw a few zingers at their opposing fans and have mutual fun in the process.

Now then, you two should stop taking the rivalry so seriously. It's not us out there on the grass, it's our boys. That said, enjoy the games and the threads. That's all you both need to do.

[SoxSon]

I agree with Mattingly...no jokes about crashing planes and no calling each other pathetic.
The only reason I hung around this particular board is because of its relative civility. I get sick of fans stretching the rivalry to ridiculous proportions. I hate to send a wake-up call to everyone, but most of the rivalry has been played up by MLB to create revenue. Not to say we exactly love each other, but I think that MLB has done its best to keep us away from actually talking about the game of baseball itself.
Of course, do what you want to do....

[ElHalo]

No man, I'll tell you, I do love Red Sox fans. There's always a few in Stan the Man's and the other bars along Riverside during playoff games. Great people.

Just because you root for different teams doesn't mean you can't be friends.

[BoSox Rule]

I like some Yankee fans too. Most of them are some of the most educated, knowledgable and smartest posters I've seen including ElHalo and yankeefan52188 at Netsports.

[Mattingly]

Ever since some Yankee-hater (who didn't even know baseball, unlike the Yankee haters here) had some "Thurman Munson Flying Lessons" kind of "joke", I've been very wary about these attempts at humor, though I don't always let on.

You folks just chill out a bit, and I'm glad that SoxSon agrees with me. There will be much more reason to root your hardest within 24 hours, so try to at least root for your team in a positive manner. Let the ones who will be fixated to the screen as a result of the showing of the Tek/A-Rod fights, open hostilities among fans and other nonsense go elsewhere.

This is a baseball forum, and in case someone hasn't realized, I happen to participate in the Red Sox forum at times, which I enjoy. Even for Fenway's 92nd b-day, I was there. Let's all keep the peace and not buy into the hyperbole. I think we're all smarter than that, so let's just demonstrate that right here, right now! :)

[KenFougere]

BTW, in this thread (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=20827), I've bet long-time Brooklyn Dodger fan, Jackie42, that if the Yanks don't win the pennant, I wear his current Jackie av; if they win the pennant, he wears my current Gehrig av. Those bets last until the 1st day of MLB baseball in April. :eek:

If anyone wishes to bet sigs only, that's fine by me.

Would you like in on this bet I have with YankeesRule? . . .

If one team WINS the WS, the loser congratulates the world champs in their sig (In team colors & nice and large) until the 2005 season starts? - :rolleyes:

[ElHalo]

Would you like in on this bet I have with YankeesRule? . . .

If one team WINS the WS, the loser congratulates the world champs in their sig (In team colors & nice and large) until the 2005 season starts? - :rolleyes:

I'll do that.

I actually like the Red Sox, for the most part. The players on that time that I dislike are mostly minor guys (Millar, who I despise; Embree; Trot Nixon; that's about it). I like the team in general and its fans.

It's just one of the central tenets of my existence that my life will never see a Red Sox WS championship. Finding out that the Sox won the series would be like finding out that they stopped making Coca Cola... wouldn't have a huge impact on my day to day existence, but would change the way I view the world on some fundamental level. Kind of off kilter.

[KenFougere]

I'll do that.
It's just one of the central tenets of my existence that my life will never see a Red Sox WS championship. Finding out that the Sox won the series would change the way I view the world on some fundamental level. Kind of off kilter.


Here's to hoping your 'world gets rocked' . . . :laugh - ;)

[BoSox Rule]

It's just one of the central tenets of my existence that my life will never see a Red Sox WS championship. Finding out that the Sox won the series would be like finding out that they stopped making Coca Cola... wouldn't have a huge impact on my day to day existence, but would change the way I view the world on some fundamental level. Kind of off kilter.

I think it is silly to think you won't see a Red Sox World Series title in your life time. I don't know how old you are but I'll say it is extremely unlikely the Red Sox will go 150-180 or even 200 years between World Series championships.

They won't even go 87 :D

[KenFougere]

I think it is silly to think you won't see a Red Sox World Series title in your life time. I don't know how old you are but I'll say it is extremely unlikely the Red Sox will go 150-180 or even 200 years between World Series championships.

They won't even go 87 :D


Please {I'm begging you}
don't give them another reason to bring up their tired & worn-out 1918 reference again . . . :ughh

[ElHalo]

I think it is silly to think you won't see a Red Sox World Series title in your life time. I don't know how old you are but I'll say it is extremely unlikely the Red Sox will go 150-180 or even 200 years between World Series championships.

They won't even go 87 :D

I'm 24.

As long as I've been alive, I've known that the Cubs and the Sox (both of them) would never, ever, ever win a WS as long as I lived. It's like knowing that the Earth will never be hit by an asteroid or knowing that the sun will never go dark... I could be wrong, but if I am, it's the end of the world anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

Some people have religion, some people have philosophy, some people have family or friends that hold up their psyche. Me? I have a core belief that the Red Sox will never get rings.

[BoSox Rule]

I'm 24.

As long as I've been alive, I've known that the Cubs and the Sox (both of them) would never, ever, ever win a WS as long as I lived. It's like knowing that the Earth will never be hit by an asteroid or knowing that the sun will never go dark... I could be wrong, but if I am, it's the end of the world anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

Some people have religion, some people have philosophy, some people have family or friends that hold up their psyche. Me? I have a core belief that the Red Sox will never get rings.

I consider you to be one of the smartest posters on this board, but that is probably the most rediculously cocky and arrogant thing a Yankee fan has ever said.

[KenFougere]

Revving up for another Big One! (http://sportsline.com/mlb/story/7785420)

[ElHalo]

I consider you to be one of the smartest posters on this board, but that is probably the most rediculously cocky and arrogant thing a Yankee fan has ever said.

Um... yeah, I guess it sounds that way. I didn't mean it to sound cocky, though. It's just kind of a superstition with me.

I mean no offense to the Sox, though. In my unbiased, realistic view, the Sox and the Yanks are the two best teams in baseball, and the Sox are probably a bit better because of their starters. In my heart of hearts, finding out that the Sox won the Series would be like finding out that there's no Santa Claus.

[KenFougere]

I consider you to be one of the smartest posters on this board, but that is probably the most rediculously cocky and arrogant thing a Yankee fan has ever said.


You don't remember YankeeMan, do you? - :rolleyes:

[bigtime39]

In my heart of hearts, finding out that the Sox won the Series would be like finding out that there's no Santa Claus.

El, if there was a Santa Claus, I'd have a winning lottery ticket in my pocket, the puppies could speak English, and the ORIOLES would be facing Boston in the ALCS! :D

[KenFougere]

- Vote: ALCS Positions - :atthepc (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=927)

[KenFougere]

El, if there was a Santa Claus, I'd have a winning lottery ticket in my pocket, the puppies could speak English, and the ORIOLES would be facing Boston in the ALCS! :D


...and the Yankees would be looking up at Toronto in the standings . . . :crazy

[west coast orange and black]

today is my birthday and i rec'd tickets for sunday's game in boston. i am excited!

as a life-long giants fan, of course i will wear red!

can anyone tell me something about section 106?

:dance :dance :dance

[KenFougere]

today is my birthday and i rec'd tickets for sunday's game in boston. i am excited!

as a life-long giants fan, of course i will wear red!

can anyone tell me something about section 106?:dance :dance :dance


I'll be more than happy to show you where our seats are . . . - :D

[KenFougere]

today is my birthday and i rec'd tickets for sunday's game in boston. i am excited!

as a life-long giants fan, of course i will wear red!

can anyone tell me something about section 106?:dance :dance :dance


I'll be more than happy to show you where our seats are . . . - :D


------>BTW, my birthday is tomorrow!

[west coast orange and black]

I'll be more than happy to show you where our seats are . . . - :D


BTW, my birthday is tomorrow!

happy birthday, man. but what does yer post mean?

[Mattingly]

Would you like in on this bet I have with YankeesRule? . . .

If one team WINS the WS, the loser congratulates the world champs in their sig (In team colors & nice and large) until the 2005 season starts? - :rolleyes: I couldn't consider this a fair bet. Reason being that if the "until 2005 season starts" is from November to April, then you'd have two Yankee fans wearing this, but if we win, we'd only have you. When I'd done the "two-for-one" thing w/yourself and someone else, it was always that if I'd lost, once one person's av/sig time had expired, I'd wear the next person's av/sig. With you, this wouldn't work.

Now if you were to revise this, so that the 5 months of off-season becomes either 2.5 months apiece *OR* 5 months apiece, then I'd consider the 2-for-1 fair.

Lemme know when you have another offer on the table. However, I'll only bet someone who posts a lot, since I'm not having my av+sig all over the place while the next person lays low.

[KenFougere]

happy birthday, man. but what does yer post mean?


It was meant as a subtle hint . . . ;) - :rolleyes:

[Mattingly]

BoSox Rule and ElHalo: knock it off and get some sleep.

Yup, it's the ornery, evil Yankee fan again, so flame away! :)

[west coast orange and black]

It was meant as a subtle hint . . . ;) - :rolleyes:

ok, i need to get hit over the head. i asked about section 106.

[Mattingly]

It was meant as a subtle hint . . . ;) - :rolleyes: He means in English, Ken. :)

You two should consider exchanging cell phone numbers, so that you can meet up at or after the game.

[MudvilleMike]

Now then, you two should stop taking the rivalry so seriously. It's not us out there on the grass, it's our boys. That said, enjoy the games and the threads. That's all you both need to do.

After seeing the tasteless thread making fun of the deaths in Rivera's family, I can definitely see your point. As a fan of European soccer, I've seen how rivalries can go too far. I HATE HATE HATE the Yankees, but only in the baseball fantasy sense (except for Steinbrenner, I really hate that guy).

[MudvilleMike]

I agree with Mattingly...no jokes about crashing planes

Fair point. I apologize.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Both of you guys/gals can take it easy now. You know, there's a simple reason why we can have a thread like this here, but not on that other board: civility between fans of other teams.

Through no fault of the excellent Admins and Mods there, many people see it as a Yankee board and thua a target to lay the smack down. That, however, wouldn't represent the majority of quality posters there. Here, we also practice civility. I seriously doubt that since there are so many Red Sox fans on a Yankee board, they could have this kind of thread. Too much mistrust. That's why we have this thread here: so that fans of both teams can openly root for their team, throw a few zingers at their opposing fans and have mutual fun in the process.

Now then, you two should stop taking the rivalry so seriously. It's not us out there on the grass, it's our boys. That said, enjoy the games and the threads. That's all you both need to do.

Ok Mattingly, maybe you are right about calling Mudvillemike pathetic. Maybe I should not have to use that word.


I think that as a Dutchman, I stand way outside this feud between the Yankees and Red Sox. So I think I can be quite objective about it.
But I don't think it makes any sense to make jokes about planes crashing down. That's why I reacted like that. Sorry.

I respect every fan of any ballclub and I really like the way we are conversating with each other overhere (in every way better than on the other board). And as a fan it must be possible to make a joke about your opponents once in a while (like I said before: what goes around comes around), but not any sick joke.

[MudvilleMike]

Finding out that the Sox won the series would be like finding out that they stopped making Coca Cola...

Maybe you're too young to remember, but they DID stop making Coca-Cola. Seriously.

[ElHalo]

Maybe you're too young to remember, but they DID stop making Coca-Cola. Seriously.

Yeah, New Coke and all that. But the hourglass bottles still show up in vending machines.

[Mattingly]

Hey, Ken! Like Bob Barker used to say, "Come on down!"

[Mattingly]

Maybe you're too young to remember, but they DID stop making Coca-Cola. Seriously.Which Coca-Cola? There was always regular Coca-Cola, and then when in the mid-80s when Michael Jackson came out w/his Pepsi Cola commercials (which he never even drank), Coke came out w/some sweeter "New Coke" thing to try copying Pepsi.

Bad move, since tons of devoted Coke buyers liked the distinguishing "kick" and less sweetness which the two products. It's like if Burger King made their Whopper a triple-decker, like the Big Mac.

After mass hording of regular Coke (which was then heavily marked up), they brought it back, called it "Classic Coke". it was obviously one of the biggest marketing mistakes to remove this. Didn't make sense.

Now then, if there's a peaceful game tonight, will you and ElHalo be good to each other? Just curious. :)

[Mattingly]

Fair point. I apologize.Between "jokes" I'd heard on some smack board about Thurman Munson's death, then two certain California-bound airplanes departed from Boston and went straight to New York's former WTC, I can tell you that "jokes" about flying airplanes should definitely be taboo.

I accept your apology, and like I'd implied before, we're all neighbors here. We may root for different teams, want different results, but we're still neighbors. My own landlord is a Red Sox fan, and don't think that it's only Connecticut which is divided.

Annie and I chat peacefully all the time, but neither of us is changing sides. Differ at times, yes, but always civilly, never stepping on each other's toes. That's the way we insist upon doing things and I believe that should set the tone f/others to follow. It's a good thing to do.

[Mattingly]

Ok Mattingly, maybe you are right about calling Mudvillemike pathetic. Maybe I should not have to use that word.

I think that as a Dutchman, I stand way outside this feud between the Yankees and Red Sox. So I think I can be quite objective about it.
But I don't think it makes any sense to make jokes about planes crashing down. That's why I reacted like that. Sorry.

I respect every fan of any ballclub and I really like the way we are conversating with each other overhere (in every way better than on the other board). And as a fan it must be possible to make a joke about your opponents once in a while (like I said before: what goes around comes around), but not any sick joke.Nobody should be called pathetic. This is like a juice bar where fans of various teams can enjoy and discuss the game. Any name-calling quickly brings the "domino effect" where people get a little too "honest" about their feelings.

Regardless of how you feel about other teams or their fans, I only ask for a little decorum from everyone. At times I need to remind people but still, we're not strangers, and like mentioned in my last post here, we're all neighbors. Let's make the best of things in a neighborly manner. :)

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Fair point. I apologize.

Mudvillemike,

I appologize. I should not have called you pathetic.

When I read about this plane crashing, an air crash in my former hometown Amsterdam, came to my mind again.

On the 4th of October 1992 an EL AL Boeing crashed into two apartment blocks in an outskirt of Amsterdam. On that day I left for an holiday in the US.

Unknowing about tihis accident I switched on the TV when I arrived at my hotel room. When I saw the news about this accident I was stunned. You never expect things like that to happen in your country.

So maybe you understand why I reacted that way. It had nothing to do with the Yankees.

Once again I appologize for calling you pathetic.

[MudvilleMike]

Which Coca-Cola? There was always regular Coca-Cola
When New Coke (which was horrible) came out, they stopped making regular Coke. Like anything, you could find it if you really wanted it, but they stopped making it for a while.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

I couldn't consider this a fair bet. Reason being that if the "until 2005 season starts" is from November to April, then you'd have two Yankee fans wearing this, but if we win, we'd only have you. When I'd done the "two-for-one" thing w/yourself and someone else, it was always that if I'd lost, once one person's av/sig time had expired, I'd wear the next person's av/sig. With you, this wouldn't work.

Now if you were to revise this, so that the 5 months of off-season becomes either 2.5 months apiece *OR* 5 months apiece, then I'd consider the 2-for-1 fair.

Lemme know when you have another offer on the table. However, I'll only bet someone who posts a lot, since I'm not having my av+sig all over the place while the next person lays low.

I don't mind if Kenfougère would be the only Red Sox fan to wear a Yankee Av.

It's just for fun Mattingly.

By the way. What does this whole "I would call them daddy" thing mean?

My English is not good enough to understand that kind of "slang".

[MudvilleMike]

Mudvillemike,

I appologize. I should not have called you pathetic.

No problem at all! I went over the line.

How are you watching the game, btw?

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

No problem at all! I went over the line.

How are you watching the game, btw?

Actually I'm not. The game will be played when I'm asleep.

So tomorrow I will watch the highlights on MLB.com

I can only hope that Dutch tv will broadcast a summary of the game.

I want to wish all Red Sox and Yankee fans a lot of fun watching the game tonight.

GO YANKEES!!!

[MudvilleMike]

How about listening to the game on MLB radio tomorrow without finding out who won?

[Mattingly]

Oh geez, now MudvilleMike and yankees rule are getting too cozy w/each other. :eek:

START FIGHTING AGAIN, FOLKS! :D ;) :p :gt

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

How about listening to the game on MLB radio tomorrow without finding out who won?

How does that work?

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Oh geez, now MudvilleMike and yankees rule are getting too cozy w/each other. :eek:

START FIGHTING AGAIN, FOLKS! :D ;) :p :gt

Mind your own business Mattingly!! :laugh

Let me get cozy with my "friend" MudvilleMike. :laugh :laugh

[west coast orange and black]

the first time that i ever posted in this bitter rivals thread was yesterday. but now, i'm out. you guys are crazy. i can not distingish one hoot and holler from the other, one moronic hurl from the other, nor one cheap shot from the other. as my dad taught us: disengage, a passerby won't know which one is the crazy one. now, i fully expect to get ripped and to be told that i do not understand... and on that point i agree with you. never again. :laugh

[MudvilleMike]

How does that work?

I pay $20 (maybe $30, I can't remember) a year and can listen to any MLB game for the entire season including the playoffs. For just the playoffs, they have a package for $9.95.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/audio/gda/index.jsp

You can listen to a game anytime you want.

[nolanryan5714]

the first time that i ever posted in this bitter rivals thread was yesterday. but now, i'm out. you guys are crazy. i can not distingish one hoot and holler from the other, one moronic hurl from the other, nor one cheap shot from the other. as my dad taught us: disengage, a passerby won't know which one is the crazy one. now, i fully expect to get ripped and to be told that i do not understand... and on that point i agree with you. never again. :laugh

I'll second that sentiment. :laugh

:radio

[Mattingly]

the first time that i ever posted in this bitter rivals thread was yesterday. but now, i'm out. you guys are crazy. i can not distingish one hoot and holler from the other, one moronic hurl from the other, nor one cheap shot from the other. as my dad taught us: disengage, a passerby won't know which one is the crazy one. now, i fully expect to get ripped and to be told that i do not understand... and on that point i agree with you. never again. :laughYou should try the PM feature. I generally reply the same day. Tends to work wonders, last I heard. :)

[BoSox Rule]

the first time that i ever posted in this bitter rivals thread was yesterday. but now, i'm out. you guys are crazy. i can not distingish one hoot and holler from the other, one moronic hurl from the other, nor one cheap shot from the other. as my dad taught us: disengage, a passerby won't know which one is the crazy one. now, i fully expect to get ripped and to be told that i do not understand... and on that point i agree with you. never again. :laugh

:waving It's not called the Bitter Rivals Thread for nothing :D

[nolanryan5714]

You should try the PM feature. I generally reply the same day. Tends to work wonders, last I heard. :)

:)
Yes, it does.


Well, how about throwing some Cardinals' stuff my way? I'm game. :D

Look, it's as simple as this - WS, Astros vs. BoSox. Astros in 6.
What makes it wonderful is that we are two teams out to get revenge (albeit for much different reasons), as well as defy the odds of Father Time.

Watch out for the PISSED OFF ASTROS!!! :evil :laugh

[BoSox Rule]

Whoever wins the ALCS is winning the World Series.

The Cards aren't exactly as hot as they've been all year and nobody knows Roger Clemens more than the Red Sox or the Yankees.

[BC498]

You don't remember YankeeMan, do you? - :rolleyes:

In his honor I feel I should remind you that Tom Brady did fumble in that playoff game. As a result the winning mentality and momentum that helped the Patriots get their 19 wins in a row is a little tainted. ;)

Ken, do me a favor, have a great birthday but don't dig up John Burkett on three days rest and have him shut the Yanks down this year. Please :laugh

[nolanryan5714]

The Cards aren't exactly as hot as they've been all year and nobody knows Roger Clemens more than the Red Sox or the Yankees.

2 things to note:

1. Clemens isn't the only pitcher that we have. We have Roy O, and despite what some small-minded people think here, we have Brandon Backe. He's a gamer, and he's VERY hot.

2. Clemens knows those teams as well. As for that comment, I'd simply reply with one word - "likewise." :cool:

(Oh yeah, we've got 4 big killer B's on a rampage. I'd watch out for that!)

[BoSox Rule]

2 things to note:

1. Clemens isn't the only pitcher that we have. We have Roy O, and despite what some small-minded people think here, we have Brandon Backe. He's a gamer, and he's VERY hot.

2. Clemens knows those teams as well. As for that comment, I'd simply reply with one word - "likewise." :cool:

(Oh yeah, we've got 4 big killer B's on a rampage. I'd watch out for that!)


Other than the Tigers, Roger Clemens is least successfull against the Red Sox. (vs. teams he has at least 100 IP againts.)

Ortiz, Manny, Damon, Millar, Varitek> Killer B's

[nolanryan5714]

Other than the Tigers, Roger Clemens is least successfull against the Red Sox. (vs. teams he has at least 100 IP againts.)

I'm not trying to jinx my team here, but this entire season has been about defying the odds...and I wouldn't bet against them individually nor collectively now! ;)



Ortiz, Manny, Damon, Millar, Varitek> Killer B's
Bring it, I say...we'll only know once we get there.

As I said above, what a series it will be. The two hottest teams in baseball after August 15 in the WS.

It'll be incredible.

[Mattingly]

By the way. What does this whole "I would call them daddy" thing mean?

My English is not good enough to understand that kind of "slang".Pedro had said after he'd lost to the Yanks that he can't beat them, so he might as well call them daddy.

I don't have a link.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Pedro had said after he'd lost to the Yanks that he can't beat them, so he might as well call them daddy.

I don't have a link.

I know that he said it after he lost to the Yankees.

But what is the meaning of this sentence: I call them daddy?

[Mattingly]

But what is the meaning of this sentence: I call them daddy?The question "Who's your daddy?", when used in sports, means that someone pretty much "owns you", so to speak. Just like Nixon and Piazza had Clemens' number, per their being fastball hitters and him being a fastball thrower, Pedro's saying that he's given his all and can't beat the Yanks.

It's the equivalent of an animal showing its white tail or its soft underbelly. It means pretty much, "I give up".

Capice?

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

The question "Who's your daddy?", when used in sports, means that someone pretty much "owns you", so to speak. Just like Nixon and Piazza had Clemens' number, per their being fastball hitters and him being a fastball thrower, Pedro's saying that he's given his all and can't beat the Yanks.

It's the equivalent of an animal showing its white tail or its soft underbelly. It means pretty much, "I give up".

Capice?

Si signor!

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

No comment!

[MetsFan11368]

Hey...isn't that Curt Shelling?

[nolanryan5714]

Hey...isn't that Curt Shelling?
:laugh

I'm not quite sure either.

[Mattingly]

From what I understand, Curt Schilling, who posts on both a Red Sox board and a Yankee board under the moniker "Gehrig38", committed the most cardinal of baseball pitching sins: he talked smack about the other team.

I remember that either David Cone or Doc Gooden did this some 10 or 14 years ago when the Mets were in some playoffs and one had an "as told by [player]" column for the NY Daily News, in which he'd seemingly belitted his opponents. The column was immediately pulled the next day, per the pitcher getting lit up.

I have no idea what kind of reaction he'd expected, but here's the thing: I've heard that he'd started some Game Thread on SoSH, a Red Sox board, as he'd reportedly done in the ALDS. Between this and calling out Yankee fans like this, it's like how John Rocker had shouted down to Mets fans, "I've just struck out your best hitter", with regards to fanning Piazza to end the inning.

Instead of toadying up to the crowd wishing to hear lots of player bravado, why don't people just look to get what the real prize should be? You know what that would be? *WINNING*, that's what it should be. Isn't that what this is all about? Or are people more enamored w/the "extras" re making your opponent look silly, than anything else?

Instead of showing up teams or fans of those teams, had he just played a good game, he wouldn't have had a statement to be plastered to the walls of the lockerroom. Mike Mussina's pre-game radio statements were that he'd do his best to keep the game close, and that with a pitcher of Schilling's capabilities, that's the best he could do. Coming from our ace, I'd say that's a great statement.

Had Curt wanted to quiet the Yankee crowd, all he had to do was what I and many other Yankee fans had fully expected from him: 7 innings of 1- or 2-run ball. That would surely have taken the home crowd out of the game! If you look at the Boston 7th and 8th innings, that would've won the game easily. It's only because of our big early lead, plus some clutch hitting by Bernie and Mo's stellar pitching, did we survive. Subtract 6 of the 8 runs the Yanks scored in the first 7 innings, and instead of being up 10-7, we're down 7-4 and Foulke works the bottom of the 9th. Not a pleasant possibility.

I have no problem with a player pleasing his fans. However, doing this to excess, as if to purposely embarrass a team's ever-faithful fans, isn't anything I'd consider good karma. Had Moose ever said this about the Boston crowd, I'd be unmercifully upset with him, especially if that put the game at risk, seeing how players would want to defend their fans' honor.

I only wish that Curt and the other ALCS pitchers can zip it this week. The cat's already out of the bag and is harder to put back in, once out. Let's just have a great series, preferably one w/o unnecessary players stroking fan or fan site bravado!

BTW, one more thing, Curt: there's no such thing as 55,000 New Yorkers at a Yankee-Red Sox game. About 10,000 of them are Red Sox fans, and many of the Yankee fans don't even live in New York.

[BoSox Rule]

He was joking around.

CURT SCHILLING: In 1993 we went to Atlanta and I can remember, I was pitching the next day and I was talking to Terry Mulholland, and he said the awesome thing about being a starting pitching is you have the ability to make 55,000 people shut up when you're on the road. I'm not sure I can think of any scenario more enjoyable than making 55,000 people from New York shut up. (Laughter.) But that's a challenge in this ballpark. The adrenaline, they are going to bring the adrenaline to this park, there's no question.

[Mattingly]

He was joking around.

CURT SCHILLING: In 1993 we went to Atlanta and I can remember, I was pitching the next day and I was talking to Terry Mulholland, and he said the awesome thing about being a starting pitching is you have the ability to make 55,000 people shut up when you're on the road. I'm not sure I can think of any scenario more enjoyable than making 55,000 people from New York shut up. (Laughter.) But that's a challenge in this ballpark. The adrenaline, they are going to bring the adrenaline to this park, there's no question.Not something you'd like to joke around with in the ALCS against your toughest opponent.

He was brought in to take down the Yankees. He'd kept the Yanks to 2 runs over about 7 innings in Game 7 of the 2001 WS, a game won by Randy Johnson. That's what he's there to do. Why would he jeapordize this possibility by firing up a team?

About 3 seasons ago, some rookie from Oakland, I believe, said about the Yankees, "They've had a great run". Jeter took offense to that, since the Yanks were playing poorly, had lost 2 straight, and that fired them up to win 3 to take the series. Reason? Because "They've *HAD* a great run" indicates that it would be over starting now. Surely disrespect coming from a young kid.

Moral of the story: You *NEVER* give your opponents anything to fire them up. It's like saying, "I've owned Ortiz, and I'll get him to ground into a double play if the game's on the line." What's to stop Ortiz from then smacking one into the next state? Joking or no joking, certain thing are simply never done. That this is the specific opponent he was brought on to take down, but he makes a mental error like this, I can't consider a joke. I'd consider it a lapse in judgment. That is simply *NEVER* done, in my book. *NEVER EVER EVER!*

[bigtime39]

I think the real moral of this story is "don't exude confidence when you're about to pitch against a bunch of all-star mercinaries and you've got an effin TORN TENDON IN YOUR ANKLE!" Yeesh!

[SoxSon]

Mattingly--
I'm sure Yankees players were hyped up to win, but clearly, the results last night were due to his torn right tendon. I'm sure you don't believe that they just "got to him," do you? I'd be surprised.
I agree with you about the comments...I wish everyone, players and fans, would just relax a little. That being said, here goes:

About the "who's your daddy?" line, which has certainly seen a lot of ink: It's known as self- deprecation, and I feel pretty sure that Pedro is having a good laugh at everyone taking it seriously. I'm not saying he hasn't struggled, but I think (and this is me showing a little team bias here)...I think that one of NY's biggest issues with Pedro (and he's really the only one who gets that spotlight) is that he generally demonstrates a conceit and sense of entitlement that NY feels is its own. That's why, I think, NY has gotten SO overly excited about his recent self-deprecation. It's just talk, guys...when I make a self-deprecating joke to my students in class, there's always a couple students who think I just "dissed" myself. I usually feel sad about those two.

Ok, just getting my say, that's all.

[JohnnysGhost]

Well from my corner of the Baseball Universe,It really boils down To Pedro Martinez and how well/or bad he does Tonite.This should be great baseball theatre and I hope everyone can sit back and enjoy it,whatever the results may turn out to be. :radio

[Mattingly]

Mattingly--
I'm sure Yankees players were hyped up to win, but clearly, the results last night were due to his torn right tendon. I'm sure you don't believe that they just "got to him," do you? I'd be surprised.
I agree with you about the comments...I wish everyone, players and fans, would just relax a little. That being said, here goes:I'm not sure which was *THE* factor in him giving up 6 runs in only 3 innings. Normally, I'd expect 6 runs over 2-3 *GAMES*, not innings. This is coming from a Yankee fan who, as I'd mentioned earlier, fully expected him to do 7 IP, 2 ER. Not *EXACTLY* Santana, but surely to bridge the gap to within 1 inning of Foulke.

For "getting to him", based purely on baseball, no. I do believe that his statement was a big part. Like I've emphatically said, you never ever do that kind of thing. As also mentioned, Moose had said he could only keep the game close, per Schilling's usually stellar starts. Based purely on his start in that Sunday game at Fenway, he certainly lived up to his billing as a Yankee-killer, which I'd expected. Therefore, I'd say that between his statement and the ankle (right or left?), that contributed to Tuesday's results.

About the "who's your daddy?" line, which has certainly seen a lot of ink: It's known as self- deprecation, and I feel pretty sure that Pedro is having a good laugh at everyone taking it seriously.That line came like self-deprecation to him, but many of us considered it quite serious. I figured he'd just thrown his hands up in the air. Don't get me wrong, the Yanks had tried their best, but I think that Minaya wasn't enamored w/the Yanks, so Pedro went their way. Still, for a guy of his capabilities, I wouldn't have expected this. Something like, "Yeah, they got me" was what I'd expected.

I'm not saying he hasn't struggled, but I think (and this is me showing a little team bias here)...I think that one of NY's biggest issues with Pedro (and he's really the only one who gets that spotlight) is that he generally demonstrates a conceit and sense of entitlement that NY feels is its own. That's why, I think, NY has gotten SO overly excited about his recent self-deprecation. It's just talk, guys...when I make a self-deprecating joke to my students in class, there's always a couple students who think I just "dissed" myself. I usually feel sad about those two.Actually, I don't want any pitchers in NY or anywhere else that display too much conceit. If anything, that "Daddy" comment seemed to suggest not just humility, but a sense of defeat. What is a team's co-ace saying stuff like that? A few years ago, Randy Johnson couldn't beat the Mets, but I never heard him say they were his "Daddy". I don't think it's a matter of conceit, which AFAIK, is a right he's earned. It's a matter of almost giving up, like saying you've been defeated.

As to self-deprecating jokes, I remember Robin Ventura was great with this, with his great sense of humor. Pedro's a very intelligent person, but perhaps he and I aren't on the same wavelength re humor. Perhaps someone else gets it, or enjoy it, but I thought that was a little odd.

Ok, just getting my say, that's all.Ahhhhhhhhhh, no more noise from the Beantown Peanut Gallery! *BONK!* :D ;) :p :gt :laugh

[Mattingly]

I think the real moral of this story is "don't exude confidence when you're about to pitch against a bunch of all-star mercinaries and you've got an effin TORN TENDON IN YOUR ANKLE!" Yeesh!Especially with the Yankee-hating O's fans wishing their boys were in there instead, right? :D :waving :p :dance

[bigtime39]

Especially with the Yankee-hating O's fans wishing their boys were in there instead, right? :D :waving :p :dance

My boy's aren't ready to be there...yet (and my damned html and smiles aren't working, either)!

[KenFougere]

I'm not sure which was *THE* factor in him giving up 6 runs in only 3 innings. Normally, I'd expect 6 runs over 2-3 *GAMES*, not innings. This is coming from a Yankee fan who, as I'd mentioned earlier, fully expected him to do 7 IP, 2 ER. Not *EXACTLY* Santana, but surely to bridge the gap to within 1 inning of Foulke.

For "getting to him", based purely on baseball, no. I do believe that his statement was a big part. Like I've emphatically said, you never ever do that kind of thing. As also mentioned, Moose had said he could only keep the game close, per Schilling's usually stellar starts. Based purely on his start in that Sunday game at Fenway, he certainly lived up to his billing as a Yankee-killer, which I'd expected. Therefore, I'd say that between his statement and the ankle (right or left?), that contributed to Tuesday's results


You can't be serious. His fastball was 88mph when it's usually 94-96!
In your opinion, was it his 'statement' or his injury? :noidea

{take your time . . . talk amongst' yourselves . . . } - :rolleyes:

[Mattingly]

You can't be serious. His fastball was 88mph when it's usually 94-96!
In your opinion, was it his 'statement' or his injury? :noidea

{take your time . . . talk amongst' yourselves . . . } - :rolleyes: Did I not say it was a combination of both? I never gave more weight to one rather than the other.

I'll give you that it likely was his right ankle tendon, but since ERA is a combo of pitching, defense and offense, I'd say that firing up a team would tend to add fuel to the fire.

Oh, BTW, did Pedro smack his Daddies around? I haven't watched the game tonight. ;) :p