Starters who have failed this season

[Zagi-CRO]

They have failed this season.
Contreras, Willis and Zito have dissapointed me.
What' your opinion ? Do you agree with me ?
Please, choose 3 starters or name some new starter as dissapointment !?

[sharrock]

Schilling and Pettite have ERAs below AL average. How can that possibly be a failure?

Zito is easily the biggest failure this year. People were shocked at the contract and now the Giants are stuck with it. Sabean gets hailed as a great GM by many, but I don't see it.

[Dodgerfan1]

For me, it's Jason Schmidt, hands down. If you are talking pitchers who have simply been underachieving instead of injured, I'd have to go with Zito, as he is the most grossly overpaid player in baseball. Arguably, in baseball history. There's still time left for him to turn it around somewhat, but he's certainly been a major bust thus far. Not as bad as Schmidt, though.

[Zagi-CRO]

Schilling and Pettite have ERAs below AL average. How can that possibly be a failure?


Schilling's stat:

2001 22-6 2.98
2002 23-7 3.23
2003 8-9 2.95
2004 21-6 3.26
2005 8-8 5.69
2006 15-7 3.97
2007 6-5 4.31

I still believe Schilling could be better this year.

Pettite is, I think, the Yankees starter No.1. And when an ace has 8-7 and 4.00 ERA - he has failed, isn't he ?

2001 15-10 3.99
2002 13-5 3.27
2003 21-8 4.02
2004 6-4 3.90
2005 17- 9 2.39
2006 14-13 4.20
2007 8-7 4.00

[sharrock]

Schilling's stat:

2001 22-6 2.98
2002 23-7 3.23
2003 8-9 2.95
2004 21-6 3.26
2005 8-8 5.69
2006 15-7 3.97
2007 6-5 4.31


I still believe Schilling could be more better this year.

Yes, he could be 'more better'. But to say he is a failure is simply not true. His wins are down due to injury(missed seven weeks) and his ERA is higher than his career numbers. But he has not failed.

Schmidt looks done. Too boad because the Dodgers would have had a nice contract for him if healthy. I guess the lesson is to beware the older pitcher.

[Erik Bedard]

Trachsel actually improved over last year. Why is he on this poll?

[Zagi-CRO]

Trachsel actually improved over last year. Why is he on this poll?

Trachsel improved ? Have you an explanation about his stats ?
Let see:

2001 11-13 4.46
2002 11-11 3.37
2003 16-10 3.78
2004 12-13 4.00
2005 1 - 4 4.14
2006 15-8 4.97
2007 5-7 4.88

Ok, he improved ERA 4.88 vs. 4.97.
All the starters are on this poll simply because it's only my choice.
I am not unmistakable!

P.S.
Yes, he could be 'more better'.
:nod: 'more better' is a mismatch...'better',ok.... :nod:
S obzirom koliko sam i kako govorio engleski... ovo je super!

[BoofBonser26]

Okay, what the heck is Boof Bonser's name doing on this list? In 18 starts last year, he had an ERA of 4.22 (ERA+ 106). In 23 starts this year he has an ERA of 4.63 (ERA+ 95). That doesn't make him anywhere close to a "failed" starter, I don't think! Probably exactly what was expected to happen.

[Westlake]

Who cares if someone is "on the poll"? Not every answer to a poll question is supposed to be correct. If you disagree, don't vote for him!

I voted for

Zito
Willis
Contreras
Santana

[downstairs]

Contreras.

Actually, pretty much every Sox pitcher other than Buehrle.

[Old Sweater]

Who cares if someone is "on the poll"? Not every answer to a poll question is supposed to be correct.


When you change your mind on this matter?

[Westlake]

When you change your mind on this matter?

If you're alluding to the poll you made earlier this year, this is most certainly not the same thing. There is nothing leading about his choices.

[RubeBaker]

What no Jeff Weaver on here? He was my pick for other. The other 2 I picked were Willis and Colon.

[Old Sweater]

If you're alluding to the poll you made earlier this year, this is most certainly not the same thing. There is nothing leading about his choices.

Nope, not that one. It was the one you said I answered wrong. About runs or rbi's.

[holyroman]

jason jennings
woody williams

[Westlake]

Nope, not that one. It was the one you said I answered wrong. About runs or rbi's.

That's not even close to the same thing either. Here I am saying that there is nothing wrong with having different choices on a poll, and there you openly answered the poll question in your opinion, and then picked something else for no apparent reason. Where is the similarity?

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I went with Zito (for obvious reasons), Ervin Santana and Anthony Reyes. Santana was supposed to be pretty good, and he ended up in AAA. Anthony Reyes certainly had some sort of expectations to live up to after last year's WS, and losing ten straight decisions certainly didn't so it.

[rdonahue]

How about Jeremy Bonderman? He had a good W-L record for a while and was undefeated for quite some time. His other numbers were never that great and he's really been bad lately.

There's all this talk about what a great pitcher he is and people were saying he'd have a breakout year this season but apparently not. His ERA is over 4.50 at the moment. His ERA has gone down each year of his career (4.08 last year) but it'll be tough for him to continue that trend. He's still never won 15 games despite playing for a great team the last 2 years (although the last few weeks might suggest otherwise).

[Blackout]

Pettite is, I think, the Yankees starter No.1. And when an ace has 8-7 and 4.00 ERA - he has failed, isn't he ?

2001 15-10 3.99
2002 13-5 3.27
2003 21-8 4.02
2004 6-4 3.90
2005 17- 9 2.39
2006 14-13 4.20
2007 8-7 4.00


You, I think, have never heard of Wang

[Wade8813]

Jeff Weaver and Horacio Ramirez are definite failures on the Mariners. Felix Hernandez isn't a failure, but he's been a little disappointing (although some of that was due to his injury, I believe).

Other than that, I voted for Zito and Willis; and Jason Schmidt under Other.

[Erik Bedard]

You, I think, have never heard of Wang

Wang hasn't been all that great either. But neither he nor Pettitte have "failed".

[Westlake]

Wang hasn't been all that great either. But neither he nor Pettitte have "failed".

Wang = Derek Lowe Jr.

[catbox_9]

How about Jeremy Bonderman? He had a good W-L record for a while and was undefeated for quite some time. His other numbers were never that great and he's really been bad lately.

There's all this talk about what a great pitcher he is and people were saying he'd have a breakout year this season but apparently not. His ERA is over 4.50 at the moment. His ERA has gone down each year of his career (4.08 last year) but it'll be tough for him to continue that trend. He's still never won 15 games despite playing for a great team the last 2 years (although the last few weeks might suggest otherwise).

I think you've got a point here...

[natsnsoxfan]

Santana, Willis, Colon.

[THE OX]

As a Brewers fan, I have been greatly disappointed by Jeff Suppan, our $42 million dollar investment. Getting even 6 creditable innings out of him the last 2 months or so has proved to be a rare occasion.......

[SamtheBravesFan]

The biggest abject failure this season is Mark Redman, hands down.

[cardsfanatic]

Eh, I know it was an injury but Carpenter's season (or lack of one) really put a dagger in my heart. While his being healthy and pitching wouldn't help our anemic offense... at least we'd have one arm in the rotation we could bank on. And in an ultra week NL Central that could be the rub.

[Erik Bedard]

Wang = Derek Lowe Jr.

Almost. Not nearly as good, though. I highly doubt that Wang will have any years to match Lowe's '02, '99, or '00.

[Erik Bedard]

The biggest abject failure this season is Mark Redman, hands down.

Ouch. From an All-Star (yes, I know) to a 36 ERA+.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Ouch. From an All-Star (yes, I know) to a 36 ERA+.

Calling Mark Redman an All-Star is like calling Kwame Brown the greatest #1 draft pick ever; it just ain't true.

[YankeeDJW]

Do Carl Pavano or Kerry Wood qualify?

[ElHalo]

Almost. Not nearly as good, though. I highly doubt that Wang will have any years to match Lowe's '02, '99, or '00.

Hm. In '99 and '00 he was a closer, so you can't really count that. And in '02 he was amazing; far better than he was any other year, and I never expect Wang to match that. But outside of that, Wang's a better pitcher in an average Wang year than Lowe's ever been in an average Lowe year. He got shellacked in his last outting and raised his ERA from 3.45 to 3.94, but he's a legitimate ace normally... he has a tendancy to get shelled from time to time, when he allows walks (since guys are always putting the ball in play on him, having guys on base lets people get runs across), but he's a legitimate number one starter. If you watch the guy pitch, he's really just a great, great pitcher.

[hudsonharden]

Barry Zito is far and above the biggest baseball, let alone pitching, disappointment this season. I'm personally hoping this is but a hiccup in his thus far stellar pitching career.

[Imapotato]

They have failed this season.
Contreras, Willis and Zito have dissapointed me.
What' your opinion ? Do you agree with me ?
Please, choose 3 starters or name some new starter as dissapointment !?

I agree with Zito

Contreras is like every older pitcher...its a crap shoot of whether this is the year they decline

Willis I think will lower his ERA to low 4.00's which is what he is

[NYMets523]

Zito, then Willis at 2nd.

[Seattle1]

What no Jeff Weaver on here? He was my pick for other.

Me too, Weaver was ridiculously bad at the beginning of the year. Just surreal. Ironically though, he just pitched his second complete game shutout of the year today! I don't think any other MLB pitcher has done that this year. He has really improved lately. Maybe he'll even even-up his record before the season's over (he's 4-10 now).

:clapping

[ElHalo]

Ironically though, he just pitched his second complete game shutout of the year today! I don't think any other MLB pitcher has done that this year.

Brandon Webb.

[Seattle1]

Brandon Webb.


Aha! So there has been another to do it.

[NYMets523]

There's one thing Webb hasn't done; give up 6 runs and record only one out.

[Old Sweater]

Okay, what the heck is Boof Bonser's name doing on this list? In 18 starts last year, he had an ERA of 4.22 (ERA+ 106). In 23 starts this year he has an ERA of 4.63 (ERA+ 95). That doesn't make him anywhere close to a "failed" starter, I don't think! Probably exactly what was expected to happen.

Well he sure hasn't done that good lately.

Boof Bonser (5-9) gave up five runs, nine hits and four walks over 5 2-3 innings. The right-hander is 0-7 with a 5.37 ERA in his last 11 starts since beating the Washington Nationals 6-3 on June 10, and is the first Minnesota pitcher to go winless in 11 consecutive starts since LaTroy Hawkins in 1998

[Zagi-CRO]

You, I think, have never heard of Wang

Wang Woo-Tang-Klan? No, who is he? :laugh

The winners:

1. Zito 35 points
2. Contreras 24
3. Willis 23

[BoofBonser26]

Well he sure hasn't done that good lately.
Oh, I'm not arguing that at all. I'm just asking who seriously expected anything that a #4 or #5 starter's numbers.

[Sweet Lou]

Do Carl Pavano or Kerry Wood qualify?Except that Kerry Wood hasn't surprised anyone, expect the Cubs front office...:crossfingers: :pray:

They need to wake up. :yawn: :coffee

I don't want to hear Wood's name or Prior's name next year. It's gone on far too long. :thumbsdown: :rant: :grouchy

Lou

[Sweet Lou]

What no Jeff Weaver on here? He was my pick for other. The other 2 I picked were Willis and Colon.I picked Jeff Weaver as well, although I don't think expectations were high for him. I was really glad about his shutout yesterday, he needed a boost. :clapping

Lou

[Zagi-CRO]

Willis is 0-9 with a 5.14 ERA in 13 starts since his last win.
Is he the winner ?