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Erik Bedard
08-06-2007, 07:38 AM
Project Description

Here's how it'll work: We will take the list of players currently in the Cooperstown Hall of Fame, as well as the 23 first candidates elected in the Hall of Corrections, which, by my count, numbers 250, and divide it up into "tiers". For example, the very best of the very best would be on the first tier, the next group on the next one, the next group on the next one down, and so on.

Election Format

I will provide a list of ten randomly selected Hall of Famers. The electorate (you guys) will then rate each player on a scale of 1 to 10 based on his Hall worthiness, with one being a total mistake and ten being a no-brainer. The average rating will determine the tier to which each player is assigned. Players with a rating above 9 will be placed on the first tier, 7-9 on the second tier, 5-7 on the third tier, 3-5 on the fourth tier, and below 3 on the fifth tier.

Other Notes


Voting on all ten players on the ballot, while strongly encouraged, is not mandatory.
Voting will last one week.
The ten members of each week's ballot will be randomly selected by me.
Anyone who wishes to help should PM me.


We should end up with something like this when finished:

10's: 2-4%
9's: 4-6%
8's: 6-9%
7's: 12-17%
6's: 12-17%
5's: 10-15%
4's: 10-15%
3's: 9-13%
2's: 8-12%
1's: 6-9%

You can also try and think of it like this:

10 - In the pantheon of greats
9 - Knocking on the pantheon door
8 - First ballot lock
7 - First ballot possible
6 - Solid choice, no debate
5 - Solid choice with some dissenters
4 - Debatable, you would put them in
3 - Debatable, you would not put them in
2 - Clearly not hall material
1 - What were they thinking?

(thanks to CubNZ for the above scale)

So far, the tiers consist of:

Tier 1: Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Cap Anson, Joe Morgan, Willie Mays, Stan Musial, Mike Schmidt, Josh Gibson**, Lefty Grove, Jimmie Foxx

Tier 2: Steve Carlton, Carl Hubbell, Eddie Murray, Charlie Gehringer, Harmon Killebrew, Tony Gwynn, Bob Feller, Reggie Jackson, Dan Brouthers, Pop Lloyd**, Nolan Ryan, Gaylord Perry, Warren Spahn, Kid Nichols, Eddie Mathews, Johnny Bench

Tier 3: John Clarkson, Juan Marichal, Ed Walsh, Paul Hines*, Hal Newhouser, Lefty Gomez, Willard Brown**, Lou Boudreau, Chuck Klein, Bobby Grich*, Bill Terry, Billy Williams, Goose Goslin, Hilton Smith**, Rube Waddell, Frankie Frisch, Fred Clarke, Bill Dickey, Bid McPhee, Pie Traynor, Dale Murphy*

Tier 4: Nellie Fox, Wes Ferrell*, Sherry Magee*, Lou Brock, Joe Gordon*, Leon Day**, Chief Bender, Heinie Manush, Red Ruffing, Rollie Fingers, Joe McGinnity, Ted Lyons, Ernie Lombardi, Alan Trammell*, Red Schoendienst, Edd Roush, Sam Rice, Earle Combs, Rabbit Maranville, Louis Santop**, Burleigh Grimes

Tier 5: Tony Lazzeri, Jesse Haines, Ray Schalk, Rick Ferrell, Rube Marquard, Judy Johnson**, Kiki Cuyler, Travis Jackson, Joe Tinker

This election will conclude on Friday, August 10th. The balloting will be on the following ten players, determined randomly by me:

Roger Connor
Jim O'Rourke
Rich Gossage*
Sam Thompson
Cy Young
Tris Speaker
Lou Brock
Vic Willis
George Davis
Cristobal Torriente**

dgarza
08-06-2007, 10:28 AM
Roger Connor - 8
Jim O'Rourke - 7
Rich Gossage - 4
Sam Thompson - 8
Cy Young - 10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 5
Vic Willis - 4
George Davis - 4
Cristobal Torriente - ?

PVNICK
08-06-2007, 10:58 AM
Roger Connor - 8
Jim O'Rourke - 4
Rich Gossage - 6
Sam Thompson - 6
Cy Young - 10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 7
Vic Willis - 3
George Davis - 7
Cristobal Torriente - 3 (but really I know little about him)

MadHatter
08-06-2007, 11:29 AM
Roger Connor - 6
Jim O'Rourke - 3
Rich Gossage - 5
Sam Thompson - 5
Cy Young - 10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 7
Vic Willis - 4
George Davis - 4
Cristobal Torriente - 6

Captain Cold Nose
08-06-2007, 01:40 PM
Roger Connor - 6
Jim O'Rourke - 5
Rich Gossage - 7
Sam Thompson - 6
Cy Young - 10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 5
Vic Willis - 4
George Davis - 6
Cristobal Torriente - 6

STLCards2
08-06-2007, 04:00 PM
Roger Connor - 7
Jim O'Rourke - 5
Rich Gossage - 5
Sam Thompson - 6
Cy Young -10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock (my heart tells me "5", but my mind tells me "4")
Vic Willis - 5
George Davis - 6
Christobal Torriente - 7

Westlake
08-06-2007, 04:08 PM
Roger Connor - 9
Jim O'Rourke - 5
Rich Gossage* - 6
Sam Thompson - 8
Cy Young - 10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 4
Vic Willis - 4
George Davis - 7 (why is he getting 4's?)
Cristobal Torriente** - 6

538280
08-06-2007, 06:50 PM
Roger Connor 8
Jim O'Rourke 4
Rich Gossage* 6
Sam Thompson 5
Cy Young 9
Tris Speaker 9
Lou Brock 5
Vic Willis 3
George Davis 6
Cristobal Torriente** 6

Erik Bedard
08-10-2007, 06:51 AM
Roger Connor - 8
Jim O'Rourke - 6
Rich Gossage - 6
Sam Thompson - 5
Cy Young - 9
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 3
Vic Willis - 2
George Davis - 7
Cristobal Torriente - 5

Westlake
08-10-2007, 11:28 AM
Is Cy Young really getting 9s?

DoubleX
08-10-2007, 01:14 PM
Roger Connor - 7
Jim O'Rourke - 5
Rich Gossage* - 5
Sam Thompson - 5
Cy Young - 10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 5
Vic Willis - 4
George Davis - 6
Cristobal Torriente - 6

downstairs
08-10-2007, 02:15 PM
Is Cy Young really getting 9s?

He has zero Cy Youngs and could never win 40 in a season! Middle-of-the road.

Erik Bedard
08-12-2007, 10:19 PM
I've decided to switch the voting cycle from Fridays to Mondays. So, the results are in.

Roger Connor - 7
Jim O'Rourke - 5^
Rich Gossage - 6^
Sam Thompson - 6
Cy Young - 10
Tris Speaker - 10
Lou Brock - 5
Vic Willis - 4^
George Davis - 5
Cristobal Torriente - 6^

I must say, some of these seem too low for me. George Davis is certainly better than a 5. Or at least I thought he was. Jim O'Rourke is a 19th-century star who IMO deserves a much closer look than he's been given.

Election 10 will be up later this morning.