Why nobody likes the First Baseman? [Archive]

Jake Patterson

07-11-2007, 08:34 PM

OK I thought I knew alot about the game, but not the answer to this question.

When did the tradition of throwing the ball to third after a K start and why is the first basman not involved in throwing the ball around?

Maxx

07-11-2007, 08:39 PM

We always included the 1st baseman in high school......I guess we were just different.

Go Cardinals

07-11-2007, 09:27 PM

We always included the 1st baseman in high school......I guess we were just different.

On my team, after the throw down, whoever caught the ball at 2nd throws it to the other middle infeidler.... then we throw it to the 3rd basemen who is close to the pitcher..... then we throw it to the firstbasemen ( whos is 15 ft) from the pitcher, then the 1st basemen throws it to the pitcher..... we only do this when I am playing first, because I get upset if I don't get the ball!

cosmo34

07-11-2007, 09:29 PM

Because 1st Baseman are like offensive lineman. Do alot of the dirty work making everyone else look good, but receive no respect for it.

Williamsburg2599

07-11-2007, 09:43 PM

Because 1st Baseman are like offensive lineman. Do alot of the dirty work making everyone else look good, but receive no respect for it.

Couldn't agree more.

BatSpinner

07-11-2007, 10:30 PM

I've played there for a long time, and if someone even looks at me to throw it, I'll point to another infielder.

There was even one instance where the pitcher caught a comebacker and turned and tossed it to me to start it around the infield. I poliety backed away from the throw, let it hit the ground, jogged after it and threw it back to him. Everyone on the diamond knew what I was doing except our guy. I guess that's why we only let them catch comebacker and nothing else above 15 feet.

cubsphill

07-11-2007, 11:23 PM

its like how catchers throw down to 2b after warm ups. catchers dont throw to 1b on a steal attempt.

3RDBASE

07-12-2007, 01:30 AM

In addition, 1st baseman's have extra work + mislead they're throwing mechanics by throwing grounders to the rest of the infielders in between innings... :shrug:

adamsowell

07-12-2007, 03:32 AM

every infielder throws to the 1st baseman just about everytime they get a ground ball during the game

1stbase gets plenty of love

Drill

07-12-2007, 05:54 AM

Because 1st Baseman are like offensive lineman. Do alot of the dirty work making everyone else look good, but receive no respect for it.

Just like the catchers, he gets no respect either, but>>>>>

The 1st basemen only made it to first where at least the catcher made it to home. Jake I see your reasoning and I do feel sorry for the first basemen.

respectfully yours,

drill

P.S.
Its the coaches fault because the first basemen has no balls.

Jake Patterson

07-12-2007, 07:00 AM

Just like the catchers, he gets no respect either, but>>>>>
The 1st basemen only made it to first where at least the catcher made it to home. Jake I see your reasoning and I do feel sorry for the first basemen.
respectfully yours,
drill
P.S.
Its the coaches fault because the first basemen has no balls.

I don't feel bad for him I am just wondering when it started and why? The pros have been doing it for eons. Maybe it's a protecting the pitcher thing??? HG any thoughts??
Jake

bluezebra

07-12-2007, 09:21 AM

I don't feel bad for him I am just wondering when it started and why? The pros have been doing it for eons. Maybe it's a protecting the pitcher thing??? HG any thoughts??
Jake

How does not throwing to F3 protect the pitcher?

Bob

Jake Patterson

07-12-2007, 09:49 AM

How does not throwing to F3 protect the pitcher?

Bob
Not sure - just looking for a possible reason. The pros have been doing it for years. Just trying to find out why and when it started.
Jake

Ursa Major

07-12-2007, 01:02 PM

Williamsburg2599

07-12-2007, 01:05 PM

My suspicion is that it's just to give a chance for the fielders to loosen up their arm and other throwing apparatus in the middle of the inning. The first baseman is less in need of that kind of workout, because with no one on base (which is the only time the ball is thrown around), there's very little chance he'll be throwing the ball in the near future.

Well, the original reason to "throw it around" is from the olden days when they used 3-4 baseballs a game. They used to throw it around to scuff the ball up for the pitcher. Not sure why they would skip the 1Bmen though.

KCGHOST

07-12-2007, 01:22 PM

It doesn't make sense to skip the 1B's. As Krukie says they are the best athletes on the field.:happy:

Brian McKenna

07-12-2007, 01:44 PM

Well, the original reason to "throw it around" is from the olden days when they used 3-4 baseballs a game. They used to throw it around to scuff the ball up for the pitcher. Not sure why they would skip the 1Bmen though.

Not just to scuff it up but mainly to sully it.

Baseball gLove

07-12-2007, 04:23 PM

It's because they are slow and have a hard enough time catching balls thrown directly at them. Why let the other team know how bad the 1st baseman really is ?:D

The Kid

07-12-2007, 04:52 PM

Couldn't agree more.

I ditto Eric. First basemen are the "playmakers" in baseball.

StanTheMan

07-12-2007, 05:24 PM

My suspicion is that it's just to give a chance for the fielders to loosen up their arm and other throwing apparatus in the middle of the inning. The first baseman is less in need of that kind of workout, because with no one on base (which is the only time the ball is thrown around), there's very little chance he'll be throwing the ball in the near future.

EXACTLY.... and his arm is plenty warmed up because he just threw 5-10 grounders to his infielders before the inning..... he thrown the ball back to the pitcher on pickoff throws, etc.

He doesn't need an extra touch on the ball, and throw to keep his arm loose... he gets the ball third most already (after pitcher and catcher)

Baseball gLove

07-12-2007, 05:28 PM

I ditto Eric. First basemen are the "playmakers" in baseball.

I have a ss/pitcher and his catcher that both disagree with you.

Williamsburg2599

07-12-2007, 07:16 PM

I have a ss/pitcher and his catcher that both disagree with you.

I feeling the SS will change his mind after a crappy throw in the dirt is scooped by the 1Bmen.

Drill

07-12-2007, 09:32 PM

It's because they are slow and have a hard enough time catching balls thrown directly at them. Why let the other team know how bad the 1st baseman really is ?:D

That would be funny make a great play and throw it around the horn, than throw one in the dirt to the first basemen. First basemen gets the ball as noted above and throws the scuffed ball to the pitcher. grin:)

Blue would get an attitude I would think after about the second scuffed up ball.

for kicks and grins,

drill

TG Coach

07-12-2007, 09:51 PM

I feeling the SS will change his mind after a crappy throw in the dirt is scooped by the 1Bmen.

When did scooping a throw in the dirt become difficult?

Baseball gLove

07-12-2007, 11:34 PM

I feeling the SS will change his mind after a crappy throw in the dirt is scooped by the 1Bmen.

The SS scoops piss rockets hit within 35 feet of him to either side, the 1st baseman should be able to scoop a ball thrown within an arm's reach of him.

Francoeurstein

07-12-2007, 11:44 PM

Because 1st Baseman are like offensive lineman. Do alot of the dirty work making everyone else look good, but receive no respect for it.

Amen Im a 1B.

cosmo34

07-12-2007, 11:47 PM

The SS scoops piss rockets hit within 35 feet of him to either side, the 1st baseman should be able to scoop a ball thrown within an arm's reach of him.

35 feet? If it's a "piss rocket" 35 feet away he's not getting to it.

Baseball gLove

07-13-2007, 02:09 AM

35 feet? If it's a "piss rocket" 35 feet away he's not getting to it.

35 feet meaning his range side to side on 90 foot bases with the batter 130 feet away, because he plays deep in the hole. Scooped means it's a ground ball / skimmer. He has stopped a lot of hard hits up the middle even beyond the 2nd base bag, meaning he stopped hits more than 35 feet to his left side.

As a pitcher, he's caught piss rockets hit from about 55 feet away to save himself from bodily harm.

cosmo34

07-13-2007, 12:08 PM

Scooped means it's a ground ball / skimmer.

Really? I thought scooped meant catching a routine fly ball.

Still, a hard hit "piss rocket" that is 35 feet away, no one is getting to. Maybe you and I have different opinions of what a hard hit ball is.

Are you bragging about what your son/friend/somebody can do? I'm speaking hypothetically. Fact is, I've never seen anyone get to a "real" hard hit ball 35 feet away from them on the infield.

I think you got your feathers all ruffled from someones "1st basemen are the best athletes on the field-John Kruk" comment. I think he was joking and need to calm down.

Jesse

07-13-2007, 10:23 PM

Someone already said it but the 1st baseman handles the ball more than anyone else on the field after the pitcher and catcher. The whole "throw the ball around the field" routine is for the purpose of keeping the infield loose and warmed up. No need to include 1B since he's involved on almost every infield play. The pitcher and catcher don't get included either. The way I see it, it's more a show of respect than the other way around. 1B doesn't need to throw around like the other guys do.

The real question is, why doesn't the outfield get to be in on it? You guys are all worried about 1B, but no one even considers the outfield. Talk about getting no respect. :rant:

Drill

07-14-2007, 02:01 AM

The real question is, why doesn't the outfield get to be in on it? :

Because they are busy throwing the beer bottle back.

J-MAC

07-15-2007, 08:24 PM

On the baseball team that we play on after a k is goes from catcher to 3rd to 2nd to short to second to third to pitcher.

Jake Patterson

07-16-2007, 10:15 AM

MY ORIGINAL POINT WAS....

We only have to watch a pro game to see the way in which the ball is thrown around the infield and for the most part it is all done the same.

At some point in the game's history someone, somewhere figured out that the pattern used today made sense. I am trying to figure out who that was and why? I would suspect it goes back to the 1800's, but really have no idea. Games clips from the 30's and 40's show they were doing it then.

Jake

beisbolcrazy22

07-16-2007, 07:14 PM

If the SS was any good at his position, he wouldnt be throwing it in the dirt in the first place. 1B rule...

Williamsburg2599

07-16-2007, 07:18 PM

-Kyle-

07-16-2007, 08:03 PM

As a infielder (non-first basemen), I love having a competent 1st basemen that will catch almost any throw to him.

Tanner

07-16-2007, 09:36 PM

Because 1st Baseman are like offensive lineman. Do alot of the dirty work making everyone else look good, but receive no respect for it.

QFT

I feeling the SS will change his mind after a crappy throw in the dirt is scooped by the 1Bmen.

Or the 1st baseman accidently pulls his foot on a perfectly good throw:p

When did scooping a throw in the dirt become difficult?

Good question

35 feet meaning his range side to side on 90 foot bases with the batter 130 feet away, because he plays deep in the hole. Scooped means it's a ground ball / skimmer. He has stopped a lot of hard hits up the middle even beyond the 2nd base bag, meaning he stopped hits more than 35 feet to his left side.

As a pitcher, he's caught piss rockets hit from about 55 feet away to save himself from bodily harm.

Lol at "piss rocket"