Son wants input on his Swing

[Rebel_11_Dad]

Take a look at my son's current swing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZJkZXJH4g0

Vs.

His swing about one year ago:
http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=45364&highlight=nick%27s+swing

Any comments would be appreciated. He's 14.

[kylebee]

There's a noticeable pause between his front foot loading and triggering his hands. Why is this?

[Rebel_11_Dad]

That's probably not the best idea to post this clip. Could have picked a full speed clip. Basically he was working on loading and putting everything together. It's obviously more fluid when in a game of BP.

[Mark H]

I'd like to see a game swing I could watch frame by frame.

[BoardMember]

Can't see the original swing but this one has a nice foundation. Love to see him hitting with a wooden stick.

In this "no-stride" sequence I'd like to see him gain some hip-cock and negetive move by rotating/lifting the heal of his plant foot outward similar to Pujols, so he can work on separating the upper/lower load and get off his backside.

http://photos.imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro/APujols2005STL_G5HR_FView.gif

I'd also get his elbow up behind his top hand just a bit more to help with separation.

Overall, good foundation...........


Take a look at my son's current swing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZJkZXJH4g0

Vs.

His swing about one year ago:
http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=45364&highlight=nick%27s+swing

Any comments would be appreciated. He's 14.

[Whitesoxnut]

I think, and probably others do here too, that its not good policy to make swing decisions with your kid based on internet viewing of one swing by people you dont even know. Thats no insult to anyone, its just common sense. Yes, there are people here who know what they are talking about but people to post poor video of swings.

My kids pro keeps me in the Loop of everything hes having my son doing with his swing. In fact he depends on my to tell him whats going on with it, both in practice when the Pro is pitching, and during game times and hitting sessions with me.

Get your boy to a pro hitting clinic and get involved with his swing. Posting one fast motion video, obviously that's not how he swings, aint going to cut it. It looks to me like hes not loading at all.

[BoardMember]

And with that said, I would seriously consider what I said........:nod:

I think, and probably others do here too, that its not good policy to make swing decisions with your kid based on internet viewing of one swing by people you dont even know. Thats no insult to anyone, its just common sense. Yes, there are people here who know what they are talking about but people to post poor video of swings.

My kids pro keeps me in the Loop of everything hes having my son doing with his swing. In fact he depends on my to tell him whats going on with it, both in practice when the Pro is pitching, and during game times and hitting sessions with me.

Get your boy to a pro hitting clinic and get involved with his swing. Posting one fast motion video, obviously that's not how he swings, aint going to cut it. It looks to me like hes not loading at all.

[Kevin G]

I think, and probably others do here too, that its not good policy to make swing decisions with your kid based on internet viewing of one swing by people you dont even know. Thats no insult to anyone, its just common sense. Yes, there are people here who know what they are talking about but people to post poor video of swings.

My kids pro keeps me in the Loop of everything hes having my son doing with his swing. In fact he depends on my to tell him whats going on with it, both in practice when the Pro is pitching, and during game times and hitting sessions with me.

Get your boy to a pro hitting clinic and get involved with his swing. Posting one fast motion video, obviously that's not how he swings, aint going to cut it. It looks to me like hes not loading at all.



As a percentage of total input I'll take what info you recieve by the serious teachers here and elsewhere on the net (and more importantly links to a great wealth of info supporting their positions) to what you will get from major leaguers.

You do have to wade through some nonsense, but it's incumbent on you to educate yourself enough to do some quality sifting.

I'm 0 for 3 on MLB'ers..... good luck to you though.

[Whitesoxnut]

As a percentage of total input I'll take what info you recieve by the serious teachers here and elsewhere on the net (and more importantly links to a great wealth of info supporting their positions) to what you will get from major leaguers.

You do have to wade through some nonsense, but it's incumbent on you to educate yourself enough to do some quality sifting.

I'm 0 for 3 on MLB'ers..... good luck to you though.

I dont know what Major Leaguers you are talking about. When I say "Pro" I mean a Pro hitting coach.


The problem arises not with the teachers but with the medium and the lack of information. You cant look at short swing clips on the internet and hope to correct years of bad habits posting in a forum.

Only hands on coaching will do that.

[hiddengem]

I think, and probably others do here too, that its not good policy to make swing decisions with your kid based on internet viewing of one swing by people you dont even know. Thats no insult to anyone, its just common sense. Yes, there are people here who know what they are talking about but people to post poor video of swings.

My kids pro keeps me in the Loop of everything hes having my son doing with his swing. In fact he depends on my to tell him whats going on with it, both in practice when the Pro is pitching, and during game times and hitting sessions with me.

Get your boy to a pro hitting clinic and get involved with his swing. Posting one fast motion video, obviously that's not how he swings, aint going to cut it. It looks to me like hes not loading at all.


Who is your "pro" coach and what is his core hitting philosophy?

[Kevin G]

I dont know what Major Leaguers you are talking about. When I say "Pro" I mean a Pro hitting coach.


The problem arises not with the teachers but with the medium and the lack of information. You cant look at short swing clips on the internet and hope to correct years of bad habits posting in a forum.

Only hands on coaching will do that.

I mean ex major league grandpa had my son hitting down on the ball.... not swinging down to contact, but chopping down through contact .... 0 for one

I mean ex major league all star who after 6 weeks of lessons with my son, not only didn't help him.... but in fact hurt him. Never used video. Never analyzed his swing... just started pushing his swing for life like a late night infomercial....0 for two

I'll throw in the great Rogers Hornsby, although there are more, who emphatically told my father inlaw that if he could time his swing so that he made contact at the exact moment his stride toe hit the ground , he would hit .500! Think about that, horsby hit .400 I think 5 or 6 times and I wouldn't let him near my son..... 0 for 3 cheers.

[Whitesoxnut]

Who is your "pro" coach and what is his core hitting philosophy?

What is your name and what team do you play on?

I mean ex major league grandpa had my son hitting down on the ball.... not swinging down to contact, but chopping down through contact .... 0 for one

I mean ex major league all star who after 6 weeks of lessons with my son, not only didn't help him.... but in fact hurt him. Never used video. Never analyzed his swing... just started pushing his swing for life like a late night infomercial....0 for two

I'll throw in the great Rogers Hornsby, although there are more, who emphatically told my father inlaw that if he could time his swing so that he made contact at the exact moment his stride toe hit the ground , he would hit .500! Think about that, horsby hit .400 I think 5 or 6 times and I wouldn't let him near my son..... 0 for 3 cheers.

I still dont get your point. Or are you actually saying advice from strangers on the internet, based on one clip of video, is better then hands on instruction at a Professional hitting clinic?

Ive seen very little video here that is even usefull. Most people dont even post the entire swing sequence.

"Any" advice has to be sifted thru. In this "no-stride" sequence I'd like to see him gain some hip-cock and negetive move by rotating/lifting the heal of his plant foot outward similar to Pujols, so he can work on separating the upper/lower load and get off his backside.

Maybe Rebel himself can say if this is good advice or not, or, if he even knows what your talking about. It sounds, and looks, to me like Rebel has wasted a year and should have gone to a hitting clinic instead.

[hiddengem]

What is your name and what team do you play on?


You already know the answer to that question, don't act dumb..now, do you care to answer my question?

[Kevin G]

I still dont get your point. Or are you actually saying advice from strangers on the internet, based on one clip of video, is better then hands on instruction at a Professional hitting clinic?

In a word... yes

Ex professsionals figured out "how to do it".

How to teach it is a whole different thing.

Again I've learned a tremendous amount in the last year and a half on my own starting here... haven't gotten much good from the horses' mouth.....sadly

[Jake Patterson]

I think, and probably others do here too, that its not good policy to make swing decisions with your kid based on internet viewing of one swing by people you dont even know. Thats no insult to anyone, its just common sense. Yes, there are people here who know what they are talking about but people to post poor video of swings.

My kids pro keeps me in the Loop of everything hes having my son doing with his swing. In fact he depends on my to tell him whats going on with it, both in practice when the Pro is pitching, and during game times and hitting sessions with me.

Get your boy to a pro hitting clinic and get involved with his swing. Posting one fast motion video, obviously that's not how he swings, aint going to cut it. It looks to me like hes not loading at all.

Could not disagree more... Two reasons:
1. Some of the best advice I have seen in the game in my 40 years, especially hitting, has been found here by the better hitting coaches. Again you need to know where to look and who to listen to.

2. Some of the WORSE teachers of the game are "professional" hitters with a batting cage. The measure of a good coach is not how well he played, but how well he can teach. Several here teach very well.

Simply take what you hear and compare it against what the very best are doing.

[Jake Patterson]

Again I've learned a tremendous amount in the last year and a half on my own starting here... haven't gotten much good from the horses' mouth.....sadly

The horses' mouths here are mostly horses asses. Not many can help, but they have no problem taking that $75.00 per hour while booking 5 additional lessons.

[wogdoggy]

What i see...he is a bug squisher,never gets off his back foot..his swing in my opinion has to much "wait" involved..it doesnt flow its too "mechanical" and choppy.never could view his swing from a year ago..

[Drill]

He has the bucket on the wrong side which causes his stance to be to wide.


drill




I think, and probably others do here too, that its not good policy to make swing decisions with your kid based on internet viewing of one swing by people you dont even know. Thats no insult to anyone, its just common sense. Yes, there are people here who know what they are talking about but people to post poor video of swings.

My kids pro keeps me in the Loop of everything hes having my son doing with his swing. In fact he depends on my to tell him whats going on with it, both in practice when the Pro is pitching, and during game times and hitting sessions with me.

Get your boy to a pro hitting clinic and get involved with his swing. Posting one fast motion video, obviously that's not how he swings, aint going to cut it. It looks to me like hes not loading at all.

[Rebel_11_Dad]

There will be no real fundamental decisions to change his swing based on what he reads here but it might give him ideas on what to work on.

I picked a clip of him practicing in the backyard. Not a game swing. I'll get a few of him in a game situation and you can take another look if you want.

I have not figured out how to save the clip in slow motion. If you have any ideas that would help let me know.

I think, and probably others do here too, that its not good policy to make swing decisions with your kid based on internet viewing of one swing by people you dont even know. Thats no insult to anyone, its just common sense. Yes, there are people here who know what they are talking about but people to post poor video of swings.

My kids pro keeps me in the Loop of everything hes having my son doing with his swing. In fact he depends on my to tell him whats going on with it, both in practice when the Pro is pitching, and during game times and hitting sessions with me.

Get your boy to a pro hitting clinic and get involved with his swing. Posting one fast motion video, obviously that's not how he swings, aint going to cut it. It looks to me like hes not loading at all.

[Mark H]

I mean ex major league grandpa had my son hitting down on the ball.... not swinging down to contact, but chopping down through contact .... 0 for one

I mean ex major league all star who after 6 weeks of lessons with my son, not only didn't help him.... but in fact hurt him. Never used video. Never analyzed his swing... just started pushing his swing for life like a late night infomercial....0 for two

I'll throw in the great Rogers Hornsby, although there are more, who emphatically told my father inlaw that if he could time his swing so that he made contact at the exact moment his stride toe hit the ground , he would hit .500! Think about that, horsby hit .400 I think 5 or 6 times and I wouldn't let him near my son..... 0 for 3 cheers.

I think I'd buy dinner at the best restaurant in town just to hear your father in law tell stories.

[Mark H]

What i see...he is a bug squisher,never gets off his back foot..his swing in my opinion has to much "wait" involved..it doesnt flow its too "mechanical" and choppy.never could view his swing from a year ago..

Likely different in a game swing versus this drill.

[Mark H]

I have not figured out how to save the clip in slow motion. If you have any ideas that would help let me know.

If you can just save it at full speed in a format we can view in quicktime or windows media player that would be best since we can both watch it then in full speed or frame by frame. If you can't do that, email it to me and I'll see if I can't get someone to post it in that form and provide you a link you can put on here.

mark_h45@hotmail.com

[Mark H]

Hey Pal, I have no idea who you are or where you play at. Answer the question!

It's all on here somewhere if you search.

[hiddengem]

I have no idea who you are or where you play at.

I've been playing pro ball for 10yrs with time at every level and I'm currently with Texas. If you need to know more you can send me a PM...Now, back to my question..who is your pro and what is his philosphy?

[Whitesoxnut]

You already know the answer to that question, don't act dumb..now, do you care to answer my question?

I'd say your insulting comment here pretty much set the tone for our interaction. The name of my kids hitting coach, and his philosophy, are none of your business. So stop acting both dumb and demanding.

And I still have no idea who you are, could care less, and have no intention of searching for anything.

And I hope nobody, most of all a father with a kid playing ball, doesn't consider a pro hitting clinic simply based on some bad experiences posted by a name on the internet. Of course you have to find someone your comfortable with, is a good teacher, and knows what they are talking about.

Rebel you slow down the video in software. That is after you capture it. What kind of video editing software do you have? I'm assuming if you can capture to hard-drive in order to upload to you tube you have some type of video software.

And again, while you can get good advice on the internet I still dont think there is a substitute for hands on instruction at a quality hitting clinic. Best of all maybe you can post some clips of your kid hitting during a game.

[Swing Coach]

I have coached little league, varsity high school and college baseball. I played college baseball and semi-pro baseball. I thought I knew how to teach hitting until I came across this forum and realized that myself (and 90 percent) of high school, college and pro hitting instructors don't teach what really happens in a swing. Many teach the opposite. You have to listen to everybody, watch slow motion video and then come to conclusions for yourself.

I'm sure there are some good teachers out there, but the great ones are few and far between.

And thanks Jake for the quote: "He who dares to teach must never cease to learn" I have run into way too many "baseball" instructors who fail at this motto.

[hiddengem]

I'd say your insulting comment here pretty much set the tone for our interaction. The name of my kids hitting coach, and his philosophy, are none of your business. So stop acting both dumb and demanding.

And I still have no idea who you are, could care less, and have no intention of searching for anything.


Then why did you ask me if you could care less? I found your response to my question be quite sarcastic, seeing as how you respnded to my question with a smart question.

You and I have already had intereaction on other threads..I know you work in Chicago in law enforcement. I thought you knew who I was. My apologies.

[Jake Patterson]

I have coached little league, varsity high school and college baseball. I played college baseball and semi-pro baseball. I thought I knew how to teach hitting until I came across this forum and realized that myself (and 90 percent) of high school, college and pro hitting instructors don't teach what really happens in a swing. Many teach the opposite. You have to listen to everybody, watch slow motion video and then come to conclusions for yourself.

Swing I would even dare to say that a great number of "professional" swing coaches who own facilities teaching youngsters do not know what a high level swing should look like. Having run the largest all-volunteer coaches' clinic in the NE I have found only one thing to be true... What most coaches believe to be happening doesn't.

I am also with you. I did not start to really learn until I came here.

[ShawnB]

It's hard tell from clips posted on youtube. You should find a way to post clips on personal web space.

I'm going to say he's a pusher. More of a hands hitter. It seems the hand move rather far without any shoulder rotation. Then the shoulders just turn because of the swing.

Doesn't look look like an efficient swing.