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Honus Wagner Rules
06-29-2007, 01:01 PM
I've always like the idea of a best of a best-of-nine World Series. Now before some of you have a knee jerk "the best of seven is tradition" reaction remember that the original World Series in 1903 was a best-of-nine affair as were the 1919-21 World Series.


Best-of-9 Series? Boras has Selig's ear

Wednesday, June 27, 2007

By BOB KLAPISCH
RECORD COLUMNIST


If you think Major League Baseball isn't sweating out the possibility of another Yankees-less World Series, you haven't been paying attention to the Fall Classic's TV ratings in the past two years. Worse than bad, they're historically bad, which is one reason Bud Selig already has started a mini-revolution.

This year's Series will begin Tuesday, Oct. 24, with the promise of an afternoon start on Saturday (Game 3) and a travel day on Oct. 30 (Monday). That means potentially more viewers on the weekend, and no head-to-head competition with "Monday Night Football,'' even if it pushes the Series into November.

But is that enough? Not according to Scott Boras, the super agent who, if nothing else, has proven he can maximize dollar value. With America having gone to sleep on the White Sox and Astros in 2005 and further ignoring the Tigers and Cardinals last October, Boras recently proposed turning the Series into a best-of-nine contest, with the first two games played at a neutral site.

That way, the entire industry could turn the Fall Classic into a bustling convention – not unlike the Super Bowl, which has become America's favorite TV sports event. By comparison, the World Series continues to suffer from its hurry-up, hastily thrown-together agenda, a victim of the league championship's unpredictability.

"Corporate America can't embrace [the World Series]; they don't know where the games are being played," Boras said by telephone recently. "People can't say, 'I'll see you at the World Series.' This way, we have a plan for it."

Under Boras' revamping – explained in a letter sent to MLB's headquarters – Game 1 would be played on a Saturday in a warm-weather city, where there's a low probability of rain or even snow. The night before, he said, would be like "the Oscars" where players from both teams would be introduced and feted before a national TV audience. But the event wouldn't be just for pennant winners; everyone would be there, including the game's biggest stars, along with the networks and the advertisers.

"There'd be interaction between players and management, the interaction between players and corporations would increase, the boundaries would be removed," Boras said. "The Super Bowl does that, although it's a terrible event."

The agent's proposal apparently has caught the commissioner's attention. Selig wrote back to say he was indeed interested. Boras, whose comments on the matter appear in Commerce magazine, will take the revolution one step further in championing a best-of-nine Series.

The extended format might outrage purists, but Boras is quick to point out there's a precedent here: The World Series was indeed a best-of-nine in 1903, the year of its inception, when the Boston Americans defeated the Pittsburgh Pirates, five games to three.

To those who say the baseball season is long enough, Boras counters: After so many games, shouldn't the champion be determined by the best possible measuring stick? A best-of-nine would require the excellence of three starting pitchers, not just two, which would favor teams with the deepest staffs.

Call it a fool's dream, but Boras nevertheless has hit on the industry's most troubling revenue problem: Fox has Series broadcasting rights through 2013, but how much longer will the network allow itself to bleed if no one's watching the premier event?

Thanks to revenue sharing and the luxury tax, baseball has moved closer than ever to NFL-like parity, marginalizing the Yankees. Apparently, that's failed to excite the TV audience.

Last year's Series drew the lowest ratings ever – 10.1 with a 17 percent share. The Astros-White Sox matchup in 2005 was only slightly less awful, 11.1 and 19. The last time the Series had more than a 25 percent share was in 1999 when, you guessed it, the Yankees were in the middle of their golden era. The share fell to 21 in 2000 during the Subway Series, but spiked to 25 in 2001, in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.

The Yankees got a 25 share in 2003, as did the Red Sox in 2004, ending The Curse in a four-game sweep of the Cardinals. But Fox has taken a huge financial hit as second-tier teams have prevailed the past two years. It's not much of a stretch to assume the network is praying for the Yankees to somehow win the wild card -- or at least hitch a ride through October with the Mets.

But it's also true the Yankees' renaissance can't last forever; more and more, it appears Fox won't even get the benefit of one playoff round with the Yankees. Whether the Mets can replace the Bombers as the team America loves to hate -- and watch -- remains to be seen. But Boras says baseball doesn't necessarily have to suffer because of it.

"Sports, particularly baseball, is like a four-hour drama with fresh information and outcomes every night. It could be put on TV for 50 times what it's worth now," he said. "The great thing in baseball is, at any moment, the worst team can beat the best team, and that happens at least 30 percent of the time."

So why has the postseason become so unwatchable? Put it this way: The problem is serious enough that Selig is listening to a radical idea that, somehow, isn't all that crazy.

geezer
06-29-2007, 01:06 PM
I think that 7 is just it, 9 game is too much for me, MHO.

eric_p
06-29-2007, 01:06 PM
pipe the F down

Captain Cold Nose
06-29-2007, 01:27 PM
A 9-game series will all but ensure November baseball. If the scheduling actually had some semblance to audience attaraction, sure, you can't have enough baseball. But with the way things are now, and declining ratings, why have two more games hardly anyone will be able to see from start to finish? Something needs to be streamlined before they expand.

redlegsfan21
06-29-2007, 01:59 PM
I just had an amazing idea. How about some better announcers.

Shocking idea, isn't it.

Somebody isn't going to watch idiots talk when they could be learning how police handle a crime scene or watch giagantic explosions. To be honest, I rather watch curling for 8 hours than listen to McCarver for 1 minute.

maximum jack
06-29-2007, 02:03 PM
I just had an amazing idea. How about some better announcers.

Shocking idea, isn't it.

Somebody isn't going to watch idiots talk when they could be learning how police handle a crime scene or watch giagantic explosions. To be honest, I rather watch curling for 8 hours than listen to McCarver for 1 minute.

Sports announcers are pretty bad across the board though-- in all sports. My favorites? Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen, miles ahead of the competition.

MyDogSparty
06-29-2007, 08:04 PM
HWR, you get my vote for a 9 game World Series as long as

1. you shorten the regular season so that the World Series always starts on October 1st

2. you agree to league re-alignment of the entire league based on geography (I know it's unrelated but I thought I'd add it to the deal anyway. :think: )

redlegsfan21
06-29-2007, 09:12 PM
Sports announcers are pretty bad across the board though-- in all sports. My favorites? Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen, miles ahead of the competition.

Thom Brennaman and Joe Girardi are certainly better than Buck and McCarver though.

cosmo34
06-30-2007, 12:24 AM
I just had an amazing idea. How about some better announcers.

Shocking idea, isn't it.

Somebody isn't going to watch idiots talk when they could be learning how police handle a crime scene or watch giagantic explosions. To be honest, I rather watch curling for 8 hours than listen to McCarver for 1 minute.


Bravo. :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

ChrisLDuncan
06-30-2007, 02:44 AM
Don't networks have enough problems getting people to watch seven games? Here's what Fox should do. Make sure Kris Benson somehow finds a way to get on a World Series roster, then make sure his wife is wearing something very revealing and focus the camera on her always, that way people will tune in. I know some people are going to whine, but face it sex sells. The World Series last year I think got worse ratings than some episodes of Grey's Anatomy...not sure though.

RubeBaker
06-30-2007, 08:06 AM
What the hell is Boras thinking? Instead of a 7 game series with horrible ratings, we'll have 9 games with horrible ratings? I'm not against the idea, but baseball has to fix the quality before they quantity.

My idea: If they do go head-to-head with MNF, why not try out an afternoon game? They could start at 4 oclock in the afternoon and still be done in plenty of time. I think fans would love to see an afternoon game, especially the younger kids who are normally in bed by the third inning. Selig will probably have his head too far up his ass and actually thnk MLB can compete with MNF, so it probably won't happen.

But don't forget, Scott Boras is the biggest AGENT in MLB. A longer WS means more revenue for players, which means a bigger WS purse for each player, and therefor a bigger cut for their agents. Yeah, he knows how to maximize dollar value, especially for himself.

John Shoemaker
06-30-2007, 08:23 AM
If we are going to expand the post season by 2 games I would rather see the division series be best 4 of 7 and keep the world series the way it is.

VTSoxFan
06-30-2007, 09:41 AM
"Corporate America can't embrace [the World Series]...

"There'd be interaction between players and management, the interaction between players and corporations would increase..."

To blazes with the corporations. Baseball has already been contorted enough into a corporate and media mold (see EPSN's coverage -- specifically, lengthening time between innings so they can slip in one more commercial -- and FOX's programming tie-ins, and the infamous Spiderman fiasco, etc etc.). Just let the players play the game.

Next think you know, Boras will propose baseball uniforms stuck all over with logos, like NASCAR outfits. And Selig will nod and say, "golly, Scott, that's a great idea!"

Moving the Series to a different network with competent announcers would help, too.

ChrisLDuncan
06-30-2007, 10:00 AM
What the hell is Boras thinking? Instead of a 7 game series with horrible ratings, we'll have 9 games with horrible ratings? I'm not against the idea, but baseball has to fix the quality before they quantity.

My idea: If they do go head-to-head with MNF, why not try out an afternoon game? They could start at 4 oclock in the afternoon and still be done in plenty of time. I think fans would love to see an afternoon game, especially the younger kids who are normally in bed by the third inning. Selig will probably have his head too far up his ass and actually thnk MLB can compete with MNF, so it probably won't happen.

But don't forget, Scott Boras is the biggest AGENT in MLB. A longer WS means more revenue for players, which means a bigger WS purse for each player, and therefor a bigger cut for their agents. Yeah, he knows how to maximize dollar value, especially for himself.

I mean they really can't do much about the "quality" because the way it is if mediocore players get hot and catch fire they make the world series. It's not as fun to watch some no-name player as opposed to future HoFers.

SamtheBravesFan
06-30-2007, 10:02 AM
I mean they really can't do much about the "quality" because the way it is if mediocore players get hot and catch fire they make the world series. It's not as fun to watch some no-name player as opposed to future HoFers.

It isn't as fun to not watch your favorite team either. I guess that's the way it is with championships. Those who care about the bottom line hope and pray that it's a Yankees vs. Dodgers every year.

EDIT: Dodgers would bring in more people than just a Subway Series

ChrisLDuncan
06-30-2007, 10:21 AM
It isn't as fun to not watch your favorite team either. I guess that's the way it is with championships. Those who care about the bottom line hope and pray that it's a Yankees vs. Dodgers every year.

EDIT: Dodgers would bring in more people than just a Subway Series

Ehh...I dunno people in Queens are a strange brew ;) But I do think an LA team would bring both coasts to the TV set.

BeatEmBucs
06-30-2007, 12:42 PM
Those ratings aren't that bad, of course they weren't what they were years ago, but that's because of cable, and 100+ other channels people could watch. It seems baseball is in a "catch 22" as far as the World Series goes in the sense that they moved games at night in the 70's to make more ad $$ then they would in the daytime. Now games start at a ridiculously late 8:30 eastern, but a "happy hour" like 5:30 in the west. If they went back to the good old days, would people watch if the game started at 1:30 pacific/4:30 Eastern? I think they would, but starting the game at that time apparently doesn't generate ad revenue like "prime time" does. This idea isn't that good. I think they should have at least 2 afternoon games in the World Series. IMO games 2 and 5 since that would mean both teams would host at least 1 game. Keep it at 7, there's a reason MLB did away with the 9 game series after 1921. As for an "oscars" type event...MLB already has it with the All Star game. Just watch next week as all the players, as well as celebs, converge on San Francisco.

Honus Wagner Rules
06-30-2007, 12:51 PM
According to the OP Game 3 of this year's World Series will be an afternoon game! I believe this will be the first afternoon World Series game since 1987.

Williamsburg2599
06-30-2007, 12:55 PM
According to the OP Game 3 of this year's World Series will be an afternoon game! I believe this will be the first afternoon World Series game since 1987.

Sweet! Can't wait to watch the Sox in the afternoon. :D

scootermojo
06-30-2007, 03:14 PM
boras needs to book a room in the Beatdown Motel...he's an arrogant meathead.

best-of-seven is just right...even if it was a best-of-nine originally and for a couple of other seasons...not that i'm against change but it's become a tradition and that it is one thing i think that should not be "tweaked".

talk about trying to draw blood from a stone!

scootermojo
06-30-2007, 03:20 PM
Sports announcers are pretty bad across the board though-- in all sports. My favorites? Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen, miles ahead of the competition.

you gotta hear mike lange do play by play for the pittsburgh penguins...fantastic!!! of course, some knucklehead at FSN pittsburgh decided to fire him and then rehire him for radio only...nobody around here was happy with that!

i've always liked miller and morgan on espn, too.

redlegsfan21
06-30-2007, 07:29 PM
You know, I was listening to the Reds broadcast (not anymore, Narron just went to the bullpen) but Marty and Thom were talking about the fact that there would be a big festival like an awards show that would take place on the Friday. Then the HOF announcements would be on that Saturday before the first game. I think those two ideas would be great for the game. After hearing the entire idea, it seems that it is a great idea. The one thing I would like is Sunday day games. The 9 game series does seem long and if a city that bids for the Neutral Site ends up with a team in the World Series, that seems like a disaster so there needs to be a back up plan there. I also believe that if it could be made that they could enlarge Doubleday Field, that it would be a great place to play baseball for the World Series (except for the cold and relative nowhereness of Cooperstown).

Ytown Tribe fan
06-30-2007, 08:04 PM
Boras is pretty much a scumbag.

Williamsburg2599
06-30-2007, 08:24 PM
You know, I was listening to the Reds broadcast (not anymore, Narron just went to the bullpen) but Marty and Thom were talking about the fact that there would be a big festival like an awards show that would take place on the Friday. Then the HOF announcements would be on that Saturday before the first game. I think those two ideas would be great for the game. After hearing the entire idea, it seems that it is a great idea. The one thing I would like is Sunday day games. The 9 game series does seem long and if a city that bids for the Neutral Site ends up with a team in the World Series, that seems like a disaster so there needs to be a back up plan there. I also believe that if it could be made that they could enlarge Doubleday Field, that it would be a great place to play baseball for the World Series (except for the cold and relative nowhereness of Cooperstown).

And the fact that WASN'T where baseball was created, but eh, that's another topic....

redlegsfan21
06-30-2007, 08:43 PM
And the fact that WASN'T where baseball was created, but eh, that's another topic....

But it's still home of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Even though baseball wasn't created there, it's still one of the most sacred grounds in baseball.

Zito75
06-30-2007, 11:40 PM
I just had an amazing idea. How about some better announcers.

Shocking idea, isn't it.

Somebody isn't going to watch idiots talk when they could be learning how police handle a crime scene or watch giagantic explosions. To be honest, I rather watch curling for 8 hours than listen to McCarver for 1 minute.

Agreed... And hey, we do watch curling when it's on.

Back to the topic, do you all think the "casual fan" can stay interested for 9 games? I sure as heck don't think so. Personally I think the idea is absurd. The series should also be kept at the home fields of the respective teams- not thrown off to Tokyo, Mexico City or Las Vegas. That defeats the whole purpose of going to regular season games and supporting your team.

swingman24
07-01-2007, 09:26 AM
The only way MLB should go to 9 game Series is if they shortened the reg. season back to say 154. Otherwise the season would be just too long. I do not like the idea of a neutral site either. If your team makes it to the World Series would you not want it to be in their home park as much as possible. However having said that I love the idea of having a pre-game ceremony before Game 1 and announce the MVP's,Cy Young's, and ROTY. I hate waiting so long to find out who won those. By the way,would love to see World Series day games again.