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Lucifer
06-29-2007, 09:12 AM
The following is an ESPN.com article.


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Three thousand hits.

All of them without ever changing teams, caps or zip codes.

Three thousand hits.

Most of them while toiling as a second baseman -- a position not known for its plethora of 3,000-Hit Club members.

Three thousand hits.

Craig Biggio.

That feat. That name. Now linked forever.

Maybe it didn't take that 3,000th hit Thursday night -- that seventh-inning single off Colorado's brand-new human trivia answer, Aaron Cook -- to make most of America realize that Craig Biggio is an all-time great.

Maybe it didn't take those five hits he got Thursday -- on a night when he became the first player in history to paint a five-hit masterpiece in the game in which he got his 3,000th hit -- to make the inhabitants of this planet comprehend that this fellow is a no-doubt-about-it Hall of Famer.

But why do we have that feeling that about 97 percent of the non-Texans in our audience only came to that realization about two weeks ago?


AP Photo/Pat Sullivan

Craig Biggio, who had a night to remember with five hits in his 3,000-hit game, is congratulated by former teammate Jeff Bagwell.
There just seems to be something about this guy that makes him semi-invisible to humans who don't speak with a drawl. So this day -- the day of Craig Biggio's 3,000th hit -- just fit right into the fabric of a way-too-peaceful career.
Never in the history of baseball had we seen one man hit his 500th home run and another man get his 3,000th hit on the same day.

Heck, only twice before (Ernie Banks-Hank Aaron in 1970, Tony Gwynn-Wade Boggs-Mark McGwire in 1999) had we witnessed both of those magic numbers arrive in the same week.

But it figured that when it did happen, it would happen on the day Craig Biggio got No. 3,000.

When Frank Thomas made his 500th trot, it was lunch time. So Thomas had all day to bask in his glory.

But by the time Craig Biggio's game ended, it was midnight in the East. So only the insomniacs were awake enough to digest the true meaning of this man and his moment. Figures.

It isn't easy to sneak up on that 3,000-Hit Club, you know. With the last few men to join that group before Biggio -- Rafael Palmeiro, Rickey Henderson, Cal Ripken, Boggs -- we saw them coming 500 hits away.

But come on now. Admit it. You never even noticed Biggio was on that precipice until he got to, like, 2,976.

Maybe it's because he's been hanging out in Houston all these years, playing beneath the headline-generating shadows of Jeff Bagwell, Roger Clemens, Roy Oswalt, Andy Pettitte, Billy Wagner, Lance Berkman, Brad Lidge and a parade of higher-profile luminaries that stretch all the way back to the days of Mike Scott and Nolan Ryan.

Maybe it's because he wasn't loud enough. Or controversial enough.

Maybe it's because he wasn't a .338 hitter like Gwynn. Or a 504-homer guy like Eddie Murray.

Maybe it's because he forgot to play in 2,632 games in a row like Ripken. Maybe it's because he forgot to win a batting title (or eight) like Gwynn.

Maybe it's because he not only forgot to become a Yankee, he never played one game against the Yankees in October.

Heck, he never even filed for free agency in the last dozen years of his career, let alone tried to use the Yankees to squeeze a few million more bucks out of the Astros.

But now his secret is out. That'll happen to a guy when he starts hanging out in the old 3,000-Hit Clubhouse. Now we know what we've been watching all these years.



You know, you're just out there playing. You're not even thinking about stuff like this. And then you find yourself thrown in with all these icons of the game, and it's a great feeling.
--Craig Biggio

In case you hadn't noticed, everybody around Biggio on the all-time hits list, the all-time runs-scored list, the all-time doubles list and the all-time extra-base-hits list is a Hall of Famer.

In case you hadn't noticed, only two other men in the history of this sport ever got 3,000 hits while spending most of their career at second base -- Eddie Collins and Nap Lajoie. Which means the last time a second base legend did anything like this, Calvin Coolidge was president.

So try to digest this for a moment. Craig Biggio has gotten more hits than Rogers Hornsby, more hits than Joe Morgan, more hits than Ryne Sandberg or Robbie Alomar or Red Schoendienst.

Pretty cool names.

And it's those names -- not the numbers -- that get Craig Biggio's attention.

The numbers -- they go flying by nightly, spinning like a slot machine, impossible to comprehend or take stock of. But the names? The names are tough to ignore.

"It's not a numbers thing for me," Biggio said last summer, during a conversation about all the lists he was climbing. "Oh, certain numbers will hit you. There's no doubt about that. But to me, if you don't appreciate the clientele you start finding yourself hanging with [on those lists], you're nuts.

"I passed Babe Ruth in doubles one time. Babe Ruth. That was unbelievable to me. And I passed Carl Yastrzemski. I'll never forget that one. You know, you're just out there playing. You're not even thinking about stuff like this. And then you find yourself thrown in with all these icons of the game, and it's a great feeling. So it's not the numbers, really. It's the names."

Yeah, it's the names, all right. They're the golden names of baseball. The best there ever was.

And now Craig Biggio is one of them.
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Lucifer
06-29-2007, 09:14 AM
Honestly I was one of those people who didn't realize Biggio was who he was until he hit something like 2976 or w/e it says in that article. It's odd that his name is never mentioned until he gets a milestone like 3,000. Cause he doesn't cause any controversy, hit all the homers, or play for a perennial big-market winning team.

Kudos to Craig Biggio, an absolute shoe-in for the Hall.

Cowtipper
06-29-2007, 10:58 AM
I've been tracking Biggio for a long time and since about 2700 hits, I knew he had it in him to reach 3,000, even though he is producing less and less (he may have 3,000 hits, but he's still hitting only .250 this year and he hit only .246 last year).

He has never been a very popular player though, to my surprise. For a guy who could hit for some power, steal a bunch of bases, score a bunch of runs and hit for a high average in the prime of his career, it does surprise me that he wasn't as popular as he might be right now. I guess that's what happens when you play on the same team as a guy named Bagwell, and even a guy named Berkman.

holyroman
06-29-2007, 12:27 PM
Well from my perspective he is and has been popular here in Houston, the 4th largest city in the U.S. but is he a sportscenter highlight darling. No

While his average has suffered the second half of last year and the first half of this year he still has 21 doubles 3 triples and 5 homers so far this year. I have hopes he will bring his average back up this year. he raised it from 238 to 250 last night alone.

KCGHOST
06-29-2007, 12:49 PM
Biggio has been a fine player and will be nice (not top tier) addition to the HoF.

Captain Cold Nose
06-29-2007, 12:52 PM
Until there was a realization he was putting up big time numbers, Biggio was probably best known for moving from catcher to second base to center field and not really missing a beat. While Astro pitching has long received acclaim (Ryan, Mike Scott, J.R. Richard, Don Wilson) the hitters really slipped notice until Jeff Bagwell started crushing the ball as a highly-touted prospect after coming from Boston. Biggio has probably come about 3000 hits as quiet as anybody, if not everybody, in history. Bill James loves him for the little things, having once ranked him as the 35th best player of all time. He's not so little now.

SamtheBravesFan
06-29-2007, 12:53 PM
I was aware of Biggio when I REALLY got into baseball around 1991 or so. I knew he was pretty good, and I always saw him in the playoffs with the Astros, so yeah, I was at least aware of him.

AstrosFan
06-29-2007, 01:01 PM
Biggio has been a fine player and will be nice (not top tier) addition to the HoF.

Depends on how one defines top tier. I think he's one of the top fifty players in baseball history.

My family and I moved to Houston in 1988, Biggio's rookie year, so I've been a fan from the beginning. I always thought he was great, but it takes a look back to realize just how great he was.

eric_p
06-29-2007, 01:08 PM
most hilarious, anticlimactic 3000th hit ever
biggio is def. admirable but i doubt he'll get the HOF nod

Cowtipper
06-29-2007, 01:17 PM
He'll DEFINITELY get the HOF nod. Of the ten players his career statistics are most similar to (according to this similarity scores employed by Baseball-Reference.com), seven of them are in the Hall of Fame, while one of them (Roberto Alomar) is a future Hall of Famer. The other two-Lou Whitaker and Vada Pinson-were both stellar players in their own right, and (for Whitaker especially) those two have strong arguments for why they should be in the Hall of Fame as well. Just look at Biggio's raw statistics as well. He's been a great player overall. I'd like to see him reach the 300 home run plateau.

Biggio is most definitely a Hall of Famer.

Captain Cold Nose
06-29-2007, 01:19 PM
most hilarious, anticlimactic 3000th hit ever
biggio is def. admirable but i doubt he'll get the HOF nod

Based on what?

Honus Wagner Rules
06-29-2007, 01:21 PM
Here are the 18 current HoF second basemen. I did a ranking off the top of my head.

Rogers Hornsby
Joe Morgan
Eddie Collins
Charlie Gehringer
Jackie Robinson
Nap Lajoie
Rod Carew
Frankie Frisch
Ryne Sandberg
Nellie Fox
Bobby Doerr
Tony Lazzeri
Billy Herman
Red Schoendienst
Bill Mazeroski
Frank Grant
Bid McPhee
Johnny Evers


So where would Biggio go on this list?

rockin500
06-29-2007, 03:53 PM
most hilarious, anticlimactic 3000th hit ever
biggio is def. admirable but i doubt he'll get the HOF nod
unless he starts gambling on sports, he is a slamdunk no doubt about it HOFer

Honus Wagner Rules
06-29-2007, 03:59 PM
most hilarious, anticlimactic 3000th hit ever
biggio is def. admirable but i doubt he'll get the HOF nod
Is there any specific reason Biggio shouldn't the HoF nod. :shrug:

nolanryan5714
06-29-2007, 04:13 PM
most hilarious, anticlimactic 3000th hit ever
biggio is def. admirable but i doubt he'll get the HOF nod

That is a bold statement, man. Errrrr, I mean, both statements.


"Anticlimactic" as in....?

Yeah, a 5-6 night really made it most unspectacular.

A solid line drive to right center was also pretty weak.

Whatever.

AstrosFan
06-29-2007, 04:50 PM
Here are the 18 current HoF second basemen. I did a ranking off the top of my head.

Rogers Hornsby
Joe Morgan
Eddie Collins
Charlie Gehringer
Jackie Robinson
Nap Lajoie
Rod Carew
Frankie Frisch
Ryne Sandberg
Nellie Fox
Bobby Doerr
Tony Lazzeri
Billy Herman
Red Schoendienst
Bill Mazeroski
Frank Grant
Bid McPhee
Johnny Evers


So where would Biggio go on this list?

Ahead of everyone except Hornsby, Collins, Morgan, Lajoie, and maybe Robinson, depending upon how much credit Robinson gets for being diverted from baseball due to segregation.

rdonahue
06-29-2007, 07:03 PM
That is a bold statement, man. Errrrr, I mean, both statements.


"Anticlimactic" as in....?

Yeah, a 5-6 night really made it most unspectacular.

A solid line drive to right center was also pretty weak.

Whatever.

I think by anticlimactic he meant he was thrown out at second base. How many guys have made an out on their 3000th hit? I'd guess none. It was partly the coaches fault but by running hard all the way it showed the kind of guy he is. 3000 hits? So what.... you still need to play hard and that's just what he did.

SamtheBravesFan
06-29-2007, 07:56 PM
most hilarious, anticlimactic 3000th hit ever
biggio is def. admirable but i doubt he'll get the HOF nod

Wow, I'd love to hear your argument about this one. I bet it's very Rafael Palmiero pre-steroids-ish, as in "Yeah, he has a lot of stats, but he never led the league in anything important except doubles".

Oh, and by the way, I don't think you can call it anti-climactic. That would imply that people would have expected him to try to stretch it into a double.