View Full Version : If the season ended today
Lin_Kuei_Fighter
06-26-2007, 04:59 PM
Who would be MVP?
I'd say Ken Griffey Jr. and A-Rod
John Shoemaker
06-26-2007, 05:34 PM
I agree with your choices.
rdonahue
06-26-2007, 05:37 PM
I think Ordonez has been more valuable to the Tigers. They're in first place and the Yankees aren't. Rodriguez has been slightly better but it's the MVP not MOP (most outstanding player)
They are great players but can't we do better than a player whose team is in last place & another player whose team would be out of the playoffs.
ARISTOCRAT
06-26-2007, 05:45 PM
Ordonez definitely for the AL. Maybe Peavy for the NL.
Charger567
06-26-2007, 05:46 PM
I'd go with A-Rod, with Ordonez close behind.
For NL, not sure who agrees, but Prince Fielder.
rdonahue
06-26-2007, 05:47 PM
I don't know about Peavy. Penny is putting together a pretty good season. Entering today I'd say Haren is more of an MVP than Peavy although he's having (by his standards) an awful game today - 3ER through 6 so far.
538280
06-26-2007, 06:19 PM
Definitely not Griffey in the NL. Griffey isn't a good outfielder at this point in his career and he's hardly the best hitter in the NL with a 145 OPS+. Besides that he's missed 8 games already this year. I might go with Miguel Cabrera. Cabrera is a solid but not great fielder. He's 2nd in the NL with a 168 OPS+, and has about 60 more PA than the #1 guy, Barry Bonds, and is a better defensive player than Bonds is at this point in his career, though from what I've seen of Bonds he really isn't bad on defense. He's still an extremely smart outifelder like he's always been who knows how to play the ball and get a jump on it, but certainly his speed is not much at this point. I'd still take Cabrera though.
Lin_Kuei_Fighter
06-26-2007, 08:27 PM
Cabrera has an argument. But how is Prince Fielder better than Ken Griffey Jr.?
EdmondsFan#1
06-26-2007, 08:40 PM
NL: Prince Fielder
AL: Alex Rodriguez
But how is Prince Fielder better than Ken Griffey Jr.?
Better OPS+, better SLG%, more HR's, more RBI's, more hits, more runs, more XBH's, and only a slightly lower BA.
Even though Griffey plays OFer, and has by far the better defense, most people don't really seem to look at defense when voting for MVP for some reason. But, Griffey isn't exactly what he once was at OFer either, he hasn't won a gold glove in 8 years...
natsnsoxfan
06-26-2007, 09:27 PM
NL Prince Fielder
AL Magglio Ordonez
Who would be MVP?
I'd say Ken Griffey Jr. and A-Rod
Griffey? Are you serious? He's having a "good" year considering what he was capable of in his younger days. He doesn't even play on a winning team. And his numbers aren't even that much far off from his teammate, Adam Dunn. FYI, Griffey doesn't play centerfield anymore. He plays rightfield.
Cabrera is in MVP consideration every year, but Marlins isn't a team that is going anywhere this year or the next. He's basically Pujols with less HR's.
My pick for the NL is Prince Fielder. He has a chance to put up what Ryan Howard did last year, which earned Howard an MVP.
A-Rod is an easy pick for the AL, but I wouldn't give it to him. If you take him out of that lineup, the Yanks still have some good hitters. Their problem is pitching. If they could stop the other team, A-Rod wouldn't need to hit a HR every time he's up in the 9th.
My pick for the AL is Magglio Ordonez.
kearns643
06-27-2007, 04:12 AM
Who would be MVP?
I'd say Ken Griffey Jr. and A-Rod
I'd say Ordonez in AL and too early for the NL..but I don't see Griffey in the head lights right now.
KCGHOST
06-27-2007, 07:02 AM
I would pick Arod over Ordonez by a nose, but it is very close.
The NL is a mess, but Griffey isn't even in the picture (though he is having a good year). Utley, Fielder, Cabrera, etc., are all bunched together.
Lucifer
06-27-2007, 07:20 AM
ARod
Prince
538280
06-27-2007, 08:32 AM
Prince Fielder is becoming like the new "face" of a rejuvenated Brewers team, but it's hard for me to see how he is better than Miguel Cabrera. Cabrera is just as good a hitter with a 168 OPS+ which is actually higher than Prince's, and Miguel Cabrera plays third base and at least as well as Prince plays 1B, and 3B of course is a much more important defensive position.
Captain Cold Nose
06-27-2007, 08:43 AM
Prince Fielder is becoming like the new "face" of a rejuvenated Brewers team, but it's hard for me to see how he is better than Miguel Cabrera. Cabrera is just as good a hitter with a 168 OPS+ which is actually higher than Prince's, and Miguel Cabrera plays third base and at least as well as Prince plays 1B, and 3B of course is a much more important defensive position.
Milwaukee is in first place. As far as the voters go, that probably gives him the edge.
I'm not saying Cabrera is not as good, I think he's a better player at this point and time. But you have to remember what the award is and who's voting for it.
Mariano_Rivera
06-27-2007, 09:19 AM
A-Rod is an easy pick for the AL, but I wouldn't give it to him. If you take him out of that lineup, the Yanks still have some good hitters. Their problem is pitching. If they could stop the other team, A-Rod wouldn't need to hit a HR every time he's up in the 9th.
My pick for the AL is Magglio Ordonez.
That's nowhere close to being true.
The Yankees bullpen and offense have seemingly been the problem. Their are only two other hitters on the Yankees actually hitting. Posada and Jeter. The pitching is not the problem.
Lucifer
06-27-2007, 09:28 AM
Well^, the bullpen is. But theres no doubt we're dead without ARod
DodgerBlue8188
06-27-2007, 10:00 AM
If James Loney had started in April like he was supposed to. He would be a candidate :gt
TheDatch
06-27-2007, 10:12 AM
as people have said before, there is no denying A-rod is the best player in the league right now. If you go by that for MVP, then he's it, no question.
But the yankees are in 3rd place! Clearly, he's not "valuable" enough to get them into the playoffs. Sure, without a-rod the yankees would be like 3-80 or whatever, but still, his value to the team is useless unless they make the playoffs, IMO
Lin_Kuei_Fighter
06-27-2007, 04:14 PM
I don't look at homers and RBI, but rather BA/OBP/SLG
And, Griffey has a case. Believe it or not.
redlegsfan21
06-27-2007, 04:41 PM
Griffey doesn't have a case because
A. He's on the worst team in baseball
B. He plays in the Reds, a team with no attention (We had the pitching leader in wins and Ks but no Cy Young Votes)
C. The team he's on has 29 wins
D. That same team has 48 losses
In summary, if the team was better, Griffey would probably win.
I don't look at homers and RBI, but rather BA/OBP/SLG
And, Griffey has a case. Believe it or not.
No he doesn't. What numbers are you looking at? Griffey is at .295/.385/.586 and Dunn is at .271/.362/.569. Griffey tops Dunn is each category, but the difference isn't siginificant to make him more valuable.
Lin_Kuei_Fighter
06-27-2007, 05:45 PM
Teams mean nothing. A-Rod won MVP in 2003 for a last place team.
And Griffey has some nice numbers.
But- if that's the way you look at it, if Griffey was traded to a contender- would he have a chance?
Rose4theHall
06-27-2007, 06:52 PM
NL Prince Fielder
AL Magglio Ordonez
Finally sensible picks.
Griffey Jr plays on the worst team in mlb, if he left that team there would be no difference to their place.
Rose4theHall
06-27-2007, 06:54 PM
Teams mean nothing. A-Rod won MVP in 2003 for a last place team.
There were no other real contenders that year. Do you honestly think Griffey is more valuable to his team than Prince Fielder?
redlegsfan21
06-27-2007, 07:17 PM
Teams mean nothing. A-Rod won MVP in 2003 for a last place team.
And Griffey has some nice numbers.
But- if that's the way you look at it, if Griffey was traded to a contender- would he have a chance?
You have to remember that ARod wasn't on a last place team in the way I'm looking at it. He just finished last in the division, not in all of baseball. Griffey probably won't be traded due to the fact that he is the only interesting thing about the Reds except for the radio booth. I'm sure the Reds will want to sell tickets (they're giving away free gasoline now) and Griff is the only thing that I like to see down there. I also believe that Bob Castellini wants Ken Griffey to hit his 600th HR as a Red and the owner tops everyone. But to answer your question, I think he would win it.
redlegsfan21
06-30-2007, 07:45 PM
Both announcers for the Reds Marty and Thom Brennaman agree that David Weathers is the MVP of the Reds and to be honest, I have to agree with them because the way the bullpen is in Cinci, if Weathers wasn't there, the Reds would probably be following the '62 Mets and '03 Tigers.
Back-to-Back-to-Back
06-30-2007, 10:52 PM
NL: Prince Fielder?
2-...?
3-...?
AL: Vladimir Guerrero
2-Alex Rodriguez
3-Magglio Odonez
swingman24
07-01-2007, 08:38 AM
Look Griffey is my fav player,as I'm sure most of you can tell,but he is not even close to being the MVP of the N.L. He is having a somewhat old school Junior-like season but it's not that great. Cabrera is a great hitter,probably better overall than Fielder but Fielder is on a first place team,so I will go with Prince on this one. In the A.L. I have to go with Ordonez over A-Rod because he is on a better team,as of now.
gotigers54
07-01-2007, 12:14 PM
Magglio or A-Rod I'd be happy in the AL but, in the NL I'd go with Prince Fielder becuase has Fielder leads the NL in HR, 2nd in RBI's (Behind by 1) and is in 5th for runs scored. (All stats from NL)