Ozzie actually asked to be ejected?!

[sds416]

According to umpire Joe West, who was the crew chief in yesterday's Cubs vs. Sox game, Guillen actually asked to be ejected from the game. According to West, he did not curse or do anything else that would have gotten him run, but he asked West to eject him.

I've been around baseball all my life, but I have never seen a manager ask an umpire to eject him quite that way. He basically quit on his team, but didn't have the guts to do it himself. Kudo's to Joe West for having the guts to tell his team that their manager is a gutless scumbag.

People can scratch their heads all they want about what is wrong with the Sox, and they can have a fire sale and rebuild again, but they will be no better than they are today until they fire their manager and get someone who actually knows how to manage a team instead of some wise ass drama queen.

I know they are just 2 years removed from a World Series win, but you can chalk that one up to every player on their roster having a career year, and a bit of luck. They won in spite of their manager, not because of him.

[Lucifer]

Drama Queen is a perfect phrase to describe him

[mwb]

Most of the time, the players make the manager look good when they win & not the other way around.

[Ytown Tribe fan]

Worked for Gene Hackman in "Hoosiers".

[Ubiquitous]

How did Ozzie quit on his team? Joe West if anything told the world that Ozzie asked to be ejected to protect himself not to highlite anything about Ozzie.

[sds416]

How did Ozzie quit on his team? Joe West if anything told the world that Ozzie asked to be ejected to protect himself not to highlite anything about Ozzie.

Face it, its the same as walking out on your team. This is actually slightly less honorable than that, if you can imagine that. He didn't have the guts to just walk out of the dugout and back to his office, he had someone else throw him out to spare him the inevitable questions that would have come up had he done it himself.

[Lucifer]

To protect himself? How does getting ejected protect himself?

[Ubiquitous]

To protect himself? How does getting ejected protect himself?

The pronoun refers to Joe West not Ozzie.

[Ubiquitous]

Face it, its the same as walking out on your team. This is actually slightly less honorable than that, if you can imagine that. He didn't have the guts to just walk out of the dugout and back to his office, he had someone else throw him out to spare him the inevitable questions that would have come up had he done it himself.


Huh? So you are saying that had Joe West not ejected him he would have left the dugout anyway?

[Lucifer]

Well, that makes a lot more sense! :blush:

[ARISTOCRAT]

There is nothing dishonorable about asking to get tossed from a game. He isn't quitting on his team. Many a managers have gone out and asked to get thrown out, it doesn't happen that often, but this isn't the first time and it isn't the last time.

[Wade8813]

I was going to say what Aristorcat said. I've heard that often managers go out there and pretend to chew out an umpire, just to get their team fired up. Also, players often want to get in an ump's face, but if a coach does it, that's often enough to keep the player relatively calm, and the manager would rather he get ejected than the player.

[MyDogSparty]

How did Ozzie quit on his team? Joe West if anything told the world that Ozzie asked to be ejected to protect himself not to highlite anything about Ozzie.

What is Joe West protecting himself from?

[Ubiquitous]

A confusing and controversial call. So instead of the world thinking that Ozzie got ejected because the stubborn umps wouldn't make a mistake they now know that he got ejected because he wanted to be ejected.

[Lucifer]

So going out there to fight the call isn't enough? Unless you get ejected? And it's better to get kicked out and not have a manager on the bench?

[redlegsfan21]

I don't think I would want to watch the Sox if I was Ozzie. "Mr. Umpire, please give me a reason not to watch this team."

[slugger33]

Well Ozzie is one of the best managers in the game today. He has a horrible team to work with. I would want to be ejected too.

[Bench 5]

Sometimes managers go out to argue a call knowing that the ump made the right call. And sometimes when your team is down in the dumps, managers go out to argue a call for the purpose of getting kicked out and getting their team charged up. I have heard other managers tell the ump the same thing. I just wish Ozzie got his money's worth for the effort.

I would still take Ozzie over just about any manager in the game.

This year is toast but the Sox will be back in black next year. :mad:

[Knick9]

If all else fails, Ozzie, tell the umpire a lame joke. That's an obvious way to get ejected. [/sarcastic]

Seriously, what a fall to rock bottom the ChiSox have had. Was it not only 2 years ago they were the toast of MLB? I expected them to compete for a longer time, but rebuilding is now the way to go, in my opinion.

[MyDogSparty]

A confusing and controversial call. So instead of the world thinking that Ozzie got ejected because the stubborn umps wouldn't make a mistake they now know that he got ejected because he wanted to be ejected.

So what? I don't really care if the umps were protecting themselves for the reason you stated (if that's even true). The point was that he asked to be ejected. Some people could interpret that as giving up on the team.

[Padday]

I frankly believe that the reaction that some people have given to this seems to be premature and blowing the situation way out of proportion.

First off, no coach ever wants to be ejected.

Second if he does he most likely has a pretty good reason. Because he's given up on his team seems like the stupidest one in the book and there are definitely far better ways of expressing that anyway.

Third, we don't actually know the exact circumstances at the time other than that he was protesting a call that was worth protesting. We don't know what was said in that conversation or what was going through the minds of of those involved.

Just one more thing. Are you definitely sure you didn't hear this wrong. He may have meant the he was asking to be ejected by the way he was arguing rather than how you stated.

[Ubiquitous]

So what?

Then why ask?

[Centerfielder2]

According to umpire Joe West, who was the crew chief in yesterday's Cubs vs. Sox game, Guillen actually asked to be ejected from the game. According to West, he did not curse or do anything else that would have gotten him run, but he asked West to eject him.

I've been around baseball all my life, but I have never seen a manager ask an umpire to eject him quite that way. He basically quit on his team, but didn't have the guts to do it himself. Kudo's to Joe West for having the guts to tell his team that their manager is a gutless scumbag.

People can scratch their heads all they want about what is wrong with the Sox, and they can have a fire sale and rebuild again, but they will be no better than they are today until they fire their manager and get someone who actually knows how to manage a team instead of some wise ass drama queen.

I know they are just 2 years removed from a World Series win, but you can chalk that one up to every player on their roster having a career year, and a bit of luck. They won in spite of their manager, not because of him.

Ha i dont blame him just will result bad for him

I believe Earl Weaver did this once and he was a pretty good manger

[Dirt Dog]

Worked for Gene Hackman in "Hoosiers".

When I heard about Ozzie asking to get thrown out, my first image was that of Norman Dale. :D

[MyDogSparty]

Then why ask?

I asked because in your earlier post you replied to the thread originator with...

How did Ozzie quit on his team? Joe West if anything told the world that Ozzie asked to be ejected to protect himself not to highlite anything about Ozzie.

...as if ump's reason (for telling people Ozzie requested the ejection) was proof that the originator of this thread inaccurately thought Ozzie quit on his team. I failed to see the connection and I was hoping you had a reason for linking the umps motives to the thread originator's explanation of Ozzie's actions.

[Ubiquitous]

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Kudo's to Joe West for having the guts to tell his team that their manager is a gutless scumbag.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The above quote is just one point of misconstruing what actually happened. Just par for the course for the original post, actually.

How's this, how about actually getting the facts of the matter before spouting off with you think happened?

[MyDogSparty]

How's this, how about actually getting the facts of the matter before spouting off with you think happened?

I doubt most on this board would have a problem with that. However, unless you know the facts and are willing to share them then I fail to see how your post is any different than the "spouting off" you disdain.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I doubt most on this board would have a problem with that. However, unless you know the facts and are willing to share them then I fail to see how your post is any different than the "spouting off" you disdain.

If he had simply posted what he said, based out of an article, that would have been fine. But that's one thing this site tries to do that makes it above blogs. Random opinions about actual events are not encouraged if the actual facts don't back them up. There was no actual indication Joe West called Ozzie Guillen a scumbag. There was no actual indication Ozzie Guillen quit on his team. Accusations of such nature without verification is akin to slander, and that is not something we want spread here.

[MyDogSparty]

If he had simply posted what he said, based out of an article, that would have been fine. But that's one thing this site tries to do that makes it above blogs. Random opinions about actual events are not encouraged if the actual facts don't back them up. There was no actual indication Joe West called Ozzie Guillen a scumbag. There was no actual indication Ozzie Guillen quit on his team. Accusations of such nature without verification is akin to slander, and that is not something we want spread here.

I find so many problems with that statement it's laughable :laugh and not worth continuing in a conversation because it only ends badly.

[Lucifer]

I agree ^^^^^^^

[Captain Cold Nose]

I find so many problems with that statement it's laughable :laugh and not worth continuing in a conversation because it only ends badly.

If you have an issue, you're more than welcome to take it to PM. If you have problems with me, as a moderator, I'd like to hear them.

[skeletor]

If he had simply posted what he said, based out of an article, that would have been fine. But that's one thing this site tries to do that makes it above blogs. Random opinions about actual events are not encouraged if the actual facts don't back them up. There was no actual indication Joe West called Ozzie Guillen a scumbag. There was no actual indication Ozzie Guillen quit on his team. Accusations of such nature without verification is akin to slander, and that is not something we want spread here.

amen to that.....in any event, has been a troublesome year for the ChiSox.

the question being..will Ozzy make it to the end of the season, before ownerships cans him ?

[Monarchs29]

Some of you may remember an fellow by the name of Ron Luciano. He was an AL umpire in the '70's and '80's.

Anyway. Luciano wrote some books, more accurately, he told his stories to an author David Fisher, who put it all together for him. The titles of the books are "The Umpire Strikes Back"; "The Umpire Strikes Back, Strike Two", or maybe it's just "Strike Two"; The Fall of the Roman Umpire; and "Baseball Lite". See also "Planet of the Umps", by Ken Kaiser and David Fisher.

For a real insiders look at the world of umpiring in MLB in that era, you should have a read. If you can find them. All the books have a great deal of info about some of the managers, coaches, players and other umpires from that period.

And yes, some managers actually did ask to be ejected. If I remember one story correctly, one manager, when asked to be run was told by Luciano; " If I gotta stay, so are you...".

And, oh yeah. You'll bust a gut laughing at the various stories and anecdotes. I know I did.

Luciano's books are published by Bantam Books,, Kaiser's by St. Martin's Paperbacks. Your local library may have them, or check with your local bookstore. They may not have them, but they may be able to order them for you.

[steveironcity]

Worked for Gene Hackman in "Hoosiers".


Norman dale- Throw me out of the game
Ref- What?
Norman Dale (paraphrasing) Thorw me out or ill throw a fit!
Ref- Well, im sure you have you reasons, Your outta here!!!