Clemens with 400 wins?

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I just want to seee if anyone thinks that Clemens will play long enough until he gets his 400th career win. I don't think He will. Clemens would have to pitch the rest of this year, next year, and 2009.

[Williamsburg2599]

Unless he picks up the knuckleball, no way, no how.

[cbenson5]

It is unlikely, but Clemens could potentially get to 360 by the end of this year. I don't seem him averaging 20 wins per year for the next two years. he would probably need to pitch full season in 08 and 09 and then come back for a partial season in 2010. I don't see him doing that. However, I could see Maddux making a run at 400 wins.

[rdonahue]

No way. He still needs 50+ and he's nearly 45. If I had to say who was more likely to win 400 games between Clemens and a 16 year old on his HS baseball team, I'd take the 16 year old. He won't do it either, but he's still young enough to where he could.

[MudvilleMike]

I think the figure to focus on is 363 wins.

[mikeymussina35]

How is he going to get 51 wins when first of all he is 45 yrs old and he only pitches half a season every year. Plus if anything he only has 1-2 more yrs. left, I believe. :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

[Zagi-CRO]

I think his milestone is 370
2005 he had 13 w, 2006 7 w
2007 may be 10 w.

[Pine Tar]

It is unlikely, but Clemens could potentially get to 360 by the end of this year. I don't seem him averaging 20 wins per year for the next two years. he would probably need to pitch full season in 08 and 09 and then come back for a partial season in 2010. I don't see him doing that. However, I could see Maddux making a run at 400 wins.

I think Maddux is the key to all of this. I actually think that Maddux and Randy Johnson are two of the big reasons why Clemens keeps coming back (well other than the 20 mil). Clemens is so competitive that I don't think he can handle being thought of as second best of his generation...not in Ks and not in wins. Each year Maddux is picking up about 5 wins on Clemens and as long as Clemens comes back it will take Maddux about 3 more years to pass him. I actually think that is why he chose the Yankees over the Astros this year. I think he saw how many wins Randy Johnson had with them last year with a 5+ era and thought he better get the heck out of Houston where he was a 500 pitcher with a sub 3 era.

So as long as CLemens doesn't get injured, remains a servicable pitcher, and Maddux and/or Johnson keep pitching I think CLemens will keep pitching. That may take him to 400 at the end of the day.

[Brooklyn]

I think the figure to focus on is 363 wins.


I couldn't agree more, that would give him the most wins of anyone that pitched after 1930. I think that is the real attainable number. He won't get there this year, but certainly could next year. Once he gets there, though, 364 and 373 aren't that far away....

But 400, that would take about 5 more years. I can't see him winning more than 10 a year, unless he decides to pitch full time again, and I can't see him playing until 50, so I odn't see it happen.

The Yankees have 95 games left, which should give Celems 19 more starts. through his career, he has won about half his starts, so 10 more wins this year is a good guess, which would get him to 359.

[sanket]

I think this is possible. Notice for the last 6 or 7 years we've been saying that this guy is washed up but he goes out there and performs and does well. Hell, if he can, why not pitch until he's 50? 60? 70? :dance

[mikeymussina35]

I think this is possible. Notice for the last 6 or 7 years we've been saying that this guy is washed up but he goes out there and performs and does well. Hell, if he can, why not pitch until he's 50? 60? 70? :dance

Your nuts! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Williamsburg2599]

I think this is possible. Notice for the last 6 or 7 years we've been saying that this guy is washed up but he goes out there and performs and does well. Hell, if he can, why not pitch until he's 50? 60? 70? :dance

Unless he pulls a Paige it won't happen. Even if he picks up the knuckle ball and puts up Tim Wakefield like .500 pitching numbers, he won't even come close unless he pitches 'till he's a member of AARP.

[sanket]

It's a long shot but he's Roger Clemens, you never know.

[natsnsoxfan]

I was actually thinking about this the other day and I think he has a fairly decent shot at it. I think he'd be a lock for it and may have already had it if the seasons the past few years he pitched a full season. I could see him hanging on just so he can get that 400th win too, if he can get close enough in the next few years.

[Dogdaze]

I was actually thinking about this the other day and I think he has a fairly decent shot at it. I think he'd be a lock for it and may have already had it if the seasons the past few years he pitched a full season. I could see him hanging on just so he can get that 400th win too, if he can get close enough in the next few years.

While I do think it's possible, I doubt he'll make it. Mainly because I think this will be his final year. Though with the Rocket, who knows.

I suppose, if he played a few more years with a strong Yankees teams that gives him lots of run support, then yes he could reach 400.

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[Lucifer]

I couldn't agree more, that would give him the most wins of anyone that pitched after 1930. I think that is the real attainable number. He won't get there this year, but certainly could next year. Once he gets there, though, 364 and 373 aren't that far away....

But 400, that would take about 5 more years. I can't see him winning more than 10 a year, unless he decides to pitch full time again, and I can't see him playing until 50, so I odn't see it happen.

The Yankees have 95 games left, which should give Celems 19 more starts. through his career, he has won about half his starts, so 10 more wins this year is a good guess, which would get him to 359.

I completely agree.

[Brooklyn]

I was actually thinking about this the other day and I think he has a fairly decent shot at it. I think he'd be a lock for it and may have already had it if the seasons the past few years he pitched a full season. I could see him hanging on just so he can get that 400th win too, if he can get close enough in the next few years.


There is no way he's already have it if he pitched full seasons. He had 19 starts last year, meaning he missed about 13. He'll have about 20 starts this year, meaning he missed about 12. So he only missed about 25 starts over the last two years. Even if he won every one of those games, he'd only be at 374. There is no way he'd already have it.

there is also no way he'd be a lock. Even if he won all 25 of those extra starts, he'd still need to pitch well this year and next year to be even close. But more realisitically, if he'd won half those starts (which is about his career rate), he'd be sitting at 362. he'd need to finish strong this year, have a very good next year, and ptiche well into 2009 to even be close. Finally, he is pitching part years because he believes his body can't handle any more. There is no guarantee that he wouldn't have broken down in August, and may not have any more wins if he had started on time with everyone else the last two years

[Mattingly]

I couldn't agree more, that would give him the most wins of anyone that pitched after 1930. I think that is the real attainable number. He won't get there this year, but certainly could next year. Once he gets there, though, 364 and 373 aren't that far away....

But 400, that would take about 5 more years. I can't see him winning more than 10 a year, unless he decides to pitch full time again, and I can't see him playing until 50, so I odn't see it happen.

The Yankees have 95 games left, which should give Celems 19 more starts. through his career, he has won about half his starts, so 10 more wins this year is a good guess, which would get him to 359.
You mean Warren Spahn's 363? I can see him doing this, but there's no guarantee he'll even come back in 2008. If 2007 is his final season, then he should get about 10 wins (presuming the Yanks start scoring runs for him). Anyway, here's the career leaderboard for active and retired/deceased pitchers:

Link (click here (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/W_career.shtml)).