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Mission27
06-15-2007, 08:11 AM
This ESPN.com article by Mark Kreidler today caught my attention

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kreidler_mark&id=2904348&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

If Bud Selig isn't careful -- and at this point, it feels safe to say he sure isn't -- he is going to accomplish a thing previously thought implausible: get people swinging back over to Barry Bonds' side of the whole deal.

Selig's unofficial, rumored future prosecution of Jason Giambi (It was leaked! The threatened punishment was leaked!) is the latest turn in Major League Baseball's bipolar approach to a problem it never showed a sincere interest in solving when it was at its height. And the unintended side effect is that, with each new catfight, it is Selig himself who looks smaller amid the hissing.

Suspension or no suspension, Jason Giambi can't help the Yankees right now anyway because he's on the disabled list.
Frankly, that's the bad news. Whatever you make of Selig, the diminution of the commissioner's office is ultimately defeating to everyone, even the long-suffering ticket buyers. The sport is not served. The search for the real killers -- whoops, that's the drive to rid the sport of cheaters -- goes nowhere.

Giambi? He couldn't be less urgent in this story, which is what makes Selig's determination to force him to speak with former Sen. George Mitchell so baffling. It's completely unnecessary at this point, first of all; Giambi already has said enough for the public record to indicate that, yes, he buffed up a few years back with the aid of steroids and that, yes, he was by no means alone.

Giambi also was using at a time when steroids weren't specifically banned by MLB, which wasn't for a moment interested in taking down the renaissance of the industry as fueled by massive homers delivered by hulking superstars. Otherwise, Jose Canseco's claims -- made what seems like eons ago, now -- of far-reaching steroid use wouldn't have been summarily dismissed as the egocentric rantings of the class clown.

Canseco may not have been completely right, but, upon further review, he looks to have landed close enough to the truth. The 1998 home run chase of Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa portended it; the reporting surrounding Bonds bold-faced it. Giambi has, at this point, done little more than semi-confirm the obvious. Yet Selig and his cronies hold out, waiting for Mitchell to deliver to them "official" substantiation of what they already know, and basically threatening Giambi for his reluctance at being the guy who supplies it.

Anyone who could spend time with Selig would have no trouble coming away convinced of Selig's genuine love for the game and of his desire to put things right -- all of which makes it sadder still, the way this thing is going. It's as if the commissioner either deliberately avoids solid advice or indulges his naivete at all the worst moments. Going after Giambi, one of the only people involved in the entire scandal who has even hinted at genuine remorse, is self-serving in the extreme, and in the end it'll backfire like nobody's business. You don't have to support Giambi, or even particularly like him, to understand the hypocrisy at work against him.

Listen to Selig not long ago: "Discipline for wrongdoing is important. But it is also important to create an environment so players can feel free to honestly and completely cooperate with this important investigation."

Whoa. That's some kind of environment being created at MLB right now.

Whatever Giambi did, he did most of it before 2002, when the first anti-doping policy in the sport was cobbled together. Before that, the only real performance-enhancement edict was a 1991 statement by then-commissioner Fay Vincent that steroids were not allowed in the game. But Vincent never negotiated terms of a doping policy with the players union, the "rule" thus was deliberately never tested, life went on, and pretty soon baseballs started flying out of ballparks at alarming rates, with fan-invigorating results.

You know the rest.

And what has all this to do with Bonds? Nothing, and of course everything. If Selig tries to suspend Giambi for not speaking with Mitchell (and Giambi's agent hasn't ruled out the player talking, but rather is working for a compromise), then what's to stop the commish from going after Bonds on the same grounds? And under what circumstances would Bonds find himself open to speaking with Mitchell as part of a non-federal, not-legally-binding investigation?

The feds themselves are pursuing Bonds not on simple substance-use charges but rather for perjury and tax evasion -- and, for the record, at this point they've still delivered nothing in the way of an indictment. Bonds, meanwhile, is free to broodingly stalk Hank Aaron's home run record the way he took down Roger Maris, Babe Ruth, Sosa and McGwire in 2001.

That was before MLB had a doping policy, for those keeping score. Good luck getting anyone to talk about it now.

RubeBaker
06-15-2007, 09:06 AM
After watching what Giambi is going through, and facing punishment for something he did years ago, why would anyone want to admit to anything? Especailly since at the time the players did it, it was not illegal.

Baseball is acting like a fireman who lights a house on fire, then tries to make itself look like a hero by putting it out himself. They are wasting so much money on what is little more than an expensive witch hunt.

Instead of looking to punish players for something that had no penalty 4-5 years ago, they need to be offering amnesty. They need to be saying, "The players screwed up, the owners screwed up, the commissioner screwed up, we're sorry. What was done was done, and right now our focus is on cleaning up what's going on right now." They should not be threatening to take away contracts or records. MLB is wasting their time on something we won't ever know the whole truth about anyway.

Dalkowski110
06-15-2007, 11:14 AM
It's just occured to me that, if Giambi's suspension goes through, this is one of the worst things Selig could possibly do for baseball. Ever. But not for merely looking stupid. Hear me out. Imagine the following events happening...
-Bud Selig suspends Jason Giambi for failure to cooperate.
-The MLBPA appeals, but somehow loses because of a bad arbitrator.
-The MLBPA goes into panic mode. They could care less about Bonds, seeing as he dropped out the MLBPA, but they know they have steroiders and ex-steroiders as members. I think they'd try another strike on the scale of the 1994 strike.

Public opinion on steroids (not this forum, just public opinion) is something like 60%-70% of fans being strongly against them. If the MLBPA were to strike (basically their only choice, if you think of it), the public won't blame Selig; they'll blame the MLBPA and stop watching baseball, just like in 1994. Except this time, instead of blaming everyone for being prima donnas, they'll blame 'em all for being steroided-out freaks.

The returning audience for the 2008 season would be even tinier than that of the 1995 season. Baseball will have lost even more of its fan base. You'd also get more replacement players, innocents shunned by the MLBPA and ignored by Selig, just like in '94. Just my two cents, and yes, I realize this probably won't happen...

natsnsoxfan
06-15-2007, 11:35 AM
After watching what Giambi is going through, and facing punishment for something he did years ago, why would anyone want to admit to anything? Especailly since at the time the players did it, it was not illegal.

Baseball is acting like a fireman who lights a house on fire, then tries to make itself look like a hero by putting it out himself. They are wasting so much money on what is little more than an expensive witch hunt.

Instead of looking to punish players for something that had no penalty 4-5 years ago, they need to be offering amnesty. They need to be saying, "The players screwed up, the owners screwed up, the commissioner screwed up, we're sorry. What was done was done, and right now our focus is on cleaning up what's going on right now." They should not be threatening to take away contracts or records. MLB is wasting their time on something we won't ever know the whole truth about anyway.

They're not trying to suspend him for the 'roids. They're trying to suspend him for refusing to cooperate with the George Mitchell investigation.

Williamsburg2599
06-15-2007, 12:14 PM
They're not trying to suspend him for the 'roids. They're trying to suspend him for refusing to cooperate with the George Mitchell investigation.

And they're not asking him to snitch on his teammates, they are only asking him about his own usage.

ChrisLDuncan
06-15-2007, 12:28 PM
And they're not asking him to snitch on his teammates, they are only asking him about his own usage.

I'm sorry, but do you know Senator Mitchell? Or are you reading something I'm not? :noidea

YankeeDJW
06-15-2007, 03:19 PM
Yeah, suspend the one guy who actually seems to regret doing it and has basically admitted it's wrong. Great idea, Bud! This would lower my opinion of Selig but it's already at rock bottom anyway.

ARISTOCRAT
06-15-2007, 03:25 PM
It's just occured to me that, if Giambi's suspension goes through, this is one of the worst things Selig could possibly do for baseball. Ever. But not for merely looking stupid. Hear me out. Imagine the following events happening...
-Bud Selig suspends Jason Giambi for failure to cooperate.
-The MLBPA appeals, but somehow loses because of a bad arbitrator.
-The MLBPA goes into panic mode. They could care less about Bonds, seeing as he dropped out the MLBPA, but they know they have steroiders and ex-steroiders as members. I think they'd try another strike on the scale of the 1994 strike.

Public opinion on steroids (not this forum, just public opinion) is something like 60%-70% of fans being strongly against them. If the MLBPA were to strike (basically their only choice, if you think of it), the public won't blame Selig; they'll blame the MLBPA and stop watching baseball, just like in 1994. Except this time, instead of blaming everyone for being prima donnas, they'll blame 'em all for being steroided-out freaks.

The returning audience for the 2008 season would be even tinier than that of the 1995 season. Baseball will have lost even more of its fan base. You'd also get more replacement players, innocents shunned by the MLBPA and ignored by Selig, just like in '94. Just my two cents, and yes, I realize this probably won't happen...

I think it would go the other way this time. The fans would understand after the Giambi suspension that the players have to protect themselves, and that doesn't mean that every player in the strike did steroids, but they are a union. The fans would be behind the players on this strike and would return in better numbers than the last strike because the steroid era would conclude.

Dalkowski110
06-16-2007, 10:04 PM
"The fans would be behind the players on this strike and would return in better numbers than the last strike because the steroid era would conclude."

No...I must be totally missing your point, but absolutely fail to see the logic of it. It would be a signal of the steroid era not only continuing, but also the "good" players protecting the "bad" ones...also, pro-union sentiment is down from the strike era. I think a CNN/SI poll that asked if the MLBPA was doing a good job on handling steroids and just its tenure since Selig came in actually got a lower rating than Bud Selig himself (both were in the 20% range, and it was only marginal, though)! The MLBPA has infuriated and alienated many fans by its basically blacklisting the replacement players, hiking up salaries for sluggers, and now will be hiking it up for starting pitchers. It even managed to enrage baseball card collectors by essentially destroying the concept of the rookie card and video gamers by choosing gaming companies who aren't necessarily the best, but just pander to the MLBPA's wishes. The public will not view one side as good and one side as bad. They'll view both sides as terrible.

Williamsburg2599
06-16-2007, 10:30 PM
I'm sorry, but do you know Senator Mitchell? Or are you reading something I'm not? :noidea

What I heard on ESPN, but I'll try to find a source...