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rdonahue
06-12-2007, 11:00 PM
So John Kruck on Baseball Tonight thinks Justin Verlander has a good shot at tying Johnny Vander Meer's record of 2 consecutive no-hitters. I don't, but how close do you think he will get?
TonyStarks
06-12-2007, 11:35 PM
John Kruk should stick to making jokes. Not making predictions or trying to make any real baseball analysis.
My 2cents.
TheDatch
06-12-2007, 11:42 PM
seriously, wtf...
about which pitcher who threw a no hitter could you say: there is absolutely no chance of him throwing a no-hitter his next outing? I mean come on...if you're good, you're good.
He's got a shot, because he's a good pitcher...that's all there is to it IMO
rdonahue
06-12-2007, 11:45 PM
Normally when a guy throws a no-hitter people joke that he's only 1 shy of the record but the way Kruck was talking about it on Baseball Tonight he made it sound like there was at least a 50% chance of him throwing another 1 Sunday. He even suggested that he might get a few more.
I'd love to see him do it since I'm a Tigers fan, but come on. There's basically no chance. I think he'll get out of the first inning though to make it a little more dramatic.
Richmond Hill Phoenix
06-12-2007, 11:55 PM
Who cares? He isn't gonna throw two in a row, and it likely won't be dramatic at all. I'll say he gets hit off of in the first inning.
tigers527
06-13-2007, 12:11 AM
Well, to humor the thought a little further....Verlanders next start will be against the Phillies, on Sunday 6-17th.....
....my question, is it fair for the Phillies lead off to bunt his way on? (or are you not allowed to break up back-to-back no hitters with a bunt?)
Since we're talking about the back-to-back no-nos......When can we mention Orel and the consecutive scoreless......so far I think Justin has at least 9.....whats that 45 to go?
rdonahue
06-13-2007, 12:17 AM
He's got more than 9 innings of scoreless baseball:
His last start he went 7 shutout innings. Before that he had a bad game (and lost) but he did get 3 straight outs in the 5th after a HR.
He's at 17 innings so far - watch out Orel!
Normally when a guy throws a no-hitter people joke that he's only 1 shy of the record but the way Kruck was talking about it on Baseball Tonight he made it sound like there was at least a 50% chance of him throwing another 1 Sunday. He even suggested that he might get a few more.
I'd love to see him do it since I'm a Tigers fan, but come on. There's basically no chance. I think he'll get out of the first inning though to make it a little more dramatic.
Kruk seems to say things every now and then which, to be honest, remind me of the type of things that people who know literally nothing about baseball say because they simply aren't accustomed to what is and what isn't realistic in the baseball world. You know what I mean; you'll be talking with someone who has only been watching baseball for a month or so, or who claims to be a fan but obviously never watches, and he'll say something completely stupid like this thing Kruk said. But you can basically just let it go, because after all, if he just saw a guy throw a no-hitter and didn't realize how rare no-hitters are, he might plausibly think the guy's a threat to do it again next time out. But Kruk says things like this an alarming amount, despite playing in the major leagues for 10 years and being a paid baseball analyst on ESPN. Pitchers just don't throw 2 or even 3 consecutive no-hitters... it just doesn't happen, and Kruk should (does) know this. His unwillingness to let even the slightest amount of rational thought rein in his childish impulse to gush about Verlander is astonishing.
"Randy Johnson will win 30 games for the Yankees in 2005" comes to mind, as well. If a guy wins 20 games for a lousy offense, and then goes to a team with a good offense, of course a person who doesn't realize pitchers just don't win 30 any more might blurt that prediction out one day at the office and embarrass himself a little. But John Kruk? Come on, John, I mean, I know thinking is hard, but for your own sake, if you're out there somewhere, if you can hear me, please, stop embarrassing yourself.
Captain Cold Nose
06-13-2007, 05:35 AM
Vander Meer always said the type of pitcher who could throw back-to-back no-no's would be the kind of guy who strikes out a lot of batters. Could Verlander? Sure, he's got as much chance as anyone else who had thrown a no-hitter the last 60-odd years, maybe more with the heat he throws.
It's just something to keep the conversation going, to fill airtime, where silence is the worst thing you could have. No one should take what Kruk said seriously.
hudsonharden
06-13-2007, 08:11 AM
When was the last hit he gave up in his last start. That is, how many consecutive no-hit innings does he have going into his next start?
slugger33
06-13-2007, 08:28 AM
The Phillies have a good offense, but so do the Brewers. I want him to get it, but I think maybe Howard or Burrell will hit one out on him.
KCGHOST
06-13-2007, 08:30 AM
Nobody has a better chance than Verlander to pitch back-to-back no-hitters, but then no one else has thrown a no-hitter in his last game. I have no idea what inning he will give a hit up in, but the odds are very long against him hurling another no-no.
AutographCollector
06-13-2007, 08:31 AM
The Phillies have a good offense, but so do the Brewers. I want him to get it, but I think maybe Howard or Burrell will hit one out on him.
Or Utley will slap a single....
SteveNYY
06-13-2007, 08:31 AM
John Kruk should stick to making jokes. Not making predictions or trying to make any real baseball analysis.
My 2cents.
Hahahaha ive had this conversation with some of my friends.. Kruk's there for his jokes he should stop trying to analyze lol.. and im gonna say 3rd inning, randomly
yankeesfan8926
06-13-2007, 10:22 AM
I'm interested in the potential Verlander vs. Cole Hamels pitching match-up we might see. Has anybody who pitched a no hitter, in his next start, LOSE a game when the opposing pitcher had a no hitter? Jake Peavy aside, I think Hamels is one of the likeliest N.L. pitchers that could do that.
ChrisLDuncan
06-13-2007, 11:03 AM
John Kruk should stick to making jokes. Not making predictions or trying to make any real baseball analysis.
My 2cents.
He's better than Steve Phillips
SteveNYY
06-13-2007, 11:05 AM
^Because of the humor he brings to the show
Captain Cold Nose
06-13-2007, 11:19 AM
^Because of the humor he brings to the show
That, and Phillips seems to actually believe everything he says. I'll never understand the way they fawn over him. Oh, wait, they treated Buck Showalter as if he was the end-all, be all HOF manager so it really doesn't surprise me how much leverage they give Mr. One Pennant.
ChrisLDuncan
06-13-2007, 11:20 AM
Those of you with HD look at Kruk's beard...last year I saw on several occasions food crumbs stuck in his beard.
rdonahue
06-13-2007, 12:12 PM
When was the last hit he gave up in his last start. That is, how many consecutive no-hit innings does he have going into his next start?
His last start he gave up a hit to the third to last batter he faced then walked a guy then got an out. His streak is 9.1 no-hit innings. He has also not given up a hit to the last 32 batters he's faced (6 walks).
He actually hasn't given up a whole lot of hits this year: 2,3,5,4,8,7,9,6,6,5,3,8,5,0. His hits/9IP is 6.93 good enough for 3rd in the AL.
Also, his last start he went 7 shutout innings. Before that he had a bad game (and lost) but he did get 3 straight outs in the 5th after a HR.
He's at 17 innings so far.
tigers527
06-13-2007, 01:33 PM
....No real reason other then the 2 names sound so simular...Vander Meer....Verlander....I mean if you replace one name for the other, it kind of works.....so why not?
No one should take what Kruk said seriously.
Then why is he wearing a suit and appearing on TV and being given airtime to explain his inane opinions?
Captain Cold Nose
06-14-2007, 06:31 AM
Then why is he wearing a suit and appearing on TV and being given airtime to explain his inane opinions?
The Three Stooges wore suits. Jerry Lewis wears a suit. It's the uniform of the job. That doesn't make them, nor Kruk, George Will. Kruk has been little more than comic relief since his days as a player. There's so much entertainment in news nowadays, Kruk is a good talker. That's why he's there. As Dan Rather says, they're tarting it up.
rdonahue
06-19-2007, 01:25 AM
Oh yeah, for those that kept track the correct answer was the second inning. He got the win and he'd tell you (at least I'd hope so) that winning was more important than pitching a no-hitter. It turns out the voters here were correct as the 2nd inning (along with 3rd inning and another no-no) was the #1 choice.
SHOELESSJOE3
06-19-2007, 05:02 AM
So John Kruck on Baseball Tonight thinks Justin Verlander has a good shot at tying Johnny Vander Meer's record of 2 consecutive no-hitters. I don't, but how close do you think he will get?
John is an idiot on this one. Why would any sensible human being even think that a pitcher who just pitched one no-hitter "just might' toss another one in his next start...... what are the odds.
rdonahue
06-19-2007, 10:32 AM
John is an idiot on this one. Why would any sensible human being even think that a pitcher who just pitched one no-hitter "just might' toss another one in his next start...... what are the odds.
I'd say the odds are around 1/234 seeing as there have been 234 no-hitters and only once has someone pitched back-to-back no-hitters.
Captain Cold Nose
06-19-2007, 10:40 AM
I'd say the odds are around 1/234 seeing as there have been 234 no-hitters and only once has someone pitched back-to-back no-hitters.
You have to weigh it against more than just that. You take the likelihood of a no-hitter, period, to start, which is much more than 1/234, as every game pitched would be counted. Then you go from there, using the 1 out of 234 no-hitters have been duplicated by the same pitcher the next game out, as a start.
It's probably 7 figures, at least. Same as no-hitters on the same day, like Fernando and Dave Stewart, or no-hitters in back to back games in the same series, like Perry and Washburn.