What does the team do with McGowan next year-#7 reliever, waive, or trade?

[flying27]

Since his performances thus bar, plus the fact the teams rotation is locked for next year as-Halladay, Burnett, FA #3, Chacin, and Marcum, make it clear McGowan wont be in the rotation next year, and with all the key positions in the bullpen filled up when Ryan returns next year(and maybe League)he would only be a #7 reliever there, and with his being out of options, what will the team do with him. These are their only options:

1)dump him in bullpen as 7th reliever, basically hiding him where he barely pitches, but keeping him on the team to avoid waivers.

2)trade him.

3)try sending him down on waivers and hoping he clears

[PJ-34]

I chose trade him because well I belived in him to do well this year because he seemed ready and once again he screws up and has an ERA over 6.00, that's just stupid, trade him!!!

[Westlake]

Sounds like a poll I saw not too long ago on another forum. Im guessing you're the same person.

[Chris from NY]

Chris' vote = Other.

[PJ-34]

Well do you want to tell us what that other posability is?

[Westlake]

Other: He is good enough to make the team and stays there.

[Big_Mac]

i'm not even going to answer this thread.

[flying27]

Other: He is good enough to make the team and stays there.

In that case you vote for the they keeping as the 7th reliever to avoid waivers option.

[Westlake]

In that case you vote for the they keeping as the 7th reliever to avoid waivers option.

Nope. I don't think they will "dump" him there.

[flying27]

Nope. I don't think they will "dump" him there.

Then he will be traded or waived. Which is it?

[Reed Johnson]

Then he will be traded or waived. Which is it?

Guy, some people think of Macgowan in higher regards then you. You obviously have no idea on anything about baseball and obviously this guy thinks Macgowan will be something more then a '7th' reliever....

[flying27]

It is impossible for McGowan to be more then a 7th reliever on this team next year since he has not shown he can handle starting at the MLB level. I was hoping he would show that he could, but he is showing that he cant. His stats suck big time since coming up, he panics under any any pressure, and he has basically a 4 inning wall, once he hits the 5th and beyond it is big trouble. So he cant be a starter on this team. On top of that the starting rotation is already set for next year:

Halladay
Burnett
FA #3 starter
Chacin
Marcum

So there isnt a spot for anyone else. Out of the bullpen you have:

Ryan(returning)
Accardo
Janssen(assuming he stays there)
Downs
League(if he recovers)

So the most he could be out of the bullpen on this team next year is a spare guy, a guy who just comes in for mop up duty.

[PJ-34]

I'd hate to say it but I agree with Flying27. This was suposed to be his yer to step up and he's done everything but that, once again he has an ERA over 7 like he has the past 2 years and Reed; don't say you think highly of him if you don't even know how to spell his name.

[Chris from NY]

Ummm..... We all have terrible spelling and grammar. That is just the nature of the internet. The average person nowadays is poorly trained in the ways of the English language. That much is a fact. Now it would be nice if we could get back to being Blue Jays fans here. Too many people are being driven away from this board.


Now on to more important matters. McGowan pitched a tremendous game tonight against the Yankees. The only way I can describe him tonight is with the word electric. He had all his pitches worling for him, and seemed to be in control of himself for most of the night. The only time he seemed to unravel was with 2 out in the 8th. He seemed so amped up that he tried to field that grounder himself instead of letting Johnny Mac take it. After that, he had some trouble with his pitches. It's safe to say though, that more of the McGowan we saw for most of tonight, and less of the other McGowan will be very beneficial for the Blue Jays.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Folks, keep those personal squabbles out of the public forums. Further cooperation is appreciated.

[flying27]

McGowan pitched well but totally fell apart when he was close to closing out the 8th inning. That turned a tremendous start into merely a pretty good one. Even when he does well he manages to goof up I am sorry to say.

[Reed Johnson]

McGowan pitched well but totally fell apart when he was close to closing out the 8th inning. That turned a tremendous start into merely a pretty good one. Even when he does well he manages to goof up I am sorry to say.

Oh my God. He threw 115 pitches at that point, it is Gibbons fault for not taking McGowan out.....

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I love McGowan. He tends to walk alot of guys when he nibbles, but more and more (as we have seen) he's trusting his stuff. That's when he gets K's. Personally, I think he'll be fine to start next season. Another season in the bullpen wouldn't hurt, but his services will most likely be required in the rotation. I think he'll be a solid #4.

[Chris from NY]

McGowan has looked better each time out this year and is getting very close to where he needs to be. The most important thing for him right now is to just pitch his game and not be worried about losing a job the next time he screws up.


He threw 115 pitches at that point, it is Gibbons fault for not taking McGowan out.....

I don't fault Gibbons for leaving him in. It was a 7 run game and he only needed something like 6 pitches to get through the inning previous.

[Big_Mac]

one thing i have noticed about mcgowan this year is he is becoming more and more comfertable with his off-speed stuff and he is not relying on his blazing fastball all the time anymore. he pitched well on monday and i hope he continues the success.

[Chris from NY]

He probably never had to learn how to use the off speed stuff. That tends to happen sometimes to hard throwing young pitchers. They're always able to aoverpower minore league hitters and when they come to the majors, they're high 90's fastball doesn't mean anything to the hitters. The off-speed should have been the first priority after his Tommy John sugery.

[flying27]

I would like to see them put McGowan in the pen as the teams 7th reliever. If they are intent on keeping him with the Jays it is best to get him used to his 2008-beyond role with the team. Bring him into games only in blowouts with a completely safe/not the slightest chance you feel of losing the lead or in blowout losses that you feel there isnt the slightest of slightest chances of getting back into. Basically the garbage reliever. If he is to stay with the team that is the role it will be, someone who pitches about 3 innings a month out of the bullpen. So get his accustomed to that role now, rather then wasting his time in a place he has no future with this team-the rotation.

[Chris from NY]

So that would be like saying, for example, a Left Fielder who would most certainly be a DH in the majors shiould be a DH in A ball as opposed to playing the outfield? I don't but that at all. Can't you just admit that McGowan is starting to turn out and is better than you ever gave him credit for?

[flying27]

So that would be like saying, for example, a Left Fielder who would most certainly be a DH in the majors shiould be a DH in A ball as opposed to playing the outfield? I don't but that at all.

Most times no since at that early a point it is wrong to put limitations on what they can do, no matter what seems highly likely or unlikely. However if they are to the point it is completely certain that the only way that player can play for you on your major league team, anytime in the forseeable future, is at the DH position, then yes I would have them play DH and not outfield/left field/whatever at the A, AA, or AAA level. Absolutely.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Except for the fact that McGowan has shown that he can pitch effectively at the MLB level. See his last start for proof.

I'm done talking about this whole McGowan issue on here. It's obvious that you're just trying to stir things up, because you honestly have no argument. I still (somewhat) respect your positon, but I will no longer discuss it as it is a complete waste of my time.

[Tinyballer]

A start doesn't make a career, but one would have to be retarded not to see the progress Mcgowan is making. In his past several starts he has always been good for the majority of the innings and have one inning of collapse now as you can see if he can minimize that one inning of collapse he could be effective. He will stay in the majors and be a solid starter. Our true #3.

[TheK]

I'd agree with others, its way too early to give up on McGowan. The stuff is there, he just needs an opportunity to see if he can harnass it. Lets face it, the season is basically lost when it comes to making the playoffs, so let's give him a full year to work things out.

Side Note: With that, the Jays need to get Thigpen up to get some MLB at-bats.

[PJ-34]

I agree with Thigpen coming up but the playoffs aren't completely out of the question. In 2005 the Astros were 15-30 and ended up in the world seriers, the Jays were 2 games below .500 in 45 games, if the Astros can do it, the Jays can, the Wild Card is wide open. About Thigpen, I think he is ready to be in the bigs, he is 23 years old, he is batting .305 with 3 homers and 15 RBI.

[Chris from NY]

I think ol' pork chops performance in this game is enough the change even the most cynical detractor's opinion a little bit.And if anyon'es opinion of McGowan is the same now as it was in the past, they have clearly not watched the last couple of starts.

[Chris from NY]

I have one more thing to add:

If McGowan is in the majors before 2011, for more then 2 weeks, I will eat my computer.

Link (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=579399&postcount=8)

[PJ-34]

What seasonings would you like???

[Big_Mac]

ahh, totally forgot about that.

maybe that means he can't post here anymore.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I know I said that I wasn't gonna comment, but this is too good.



Here are some fries to go with that main course.

[Chris from NY]

I usually try to keep my emoticon use to a minimum, but here goes: :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

[Big_Mac]

haha you guys crack me up sometimes.

[starkeeper]

Just curious as to the whereabouts of the McGowan hater who single handedly ruined this forum. I wonder what he changed his name to. All I know of is that I am sure glad that Todd has been able to shut him up.

[tyberesk]

McGowan looked good today...carrying a no hitter into the 9th and finished off with a 1 hitter.

[PJ-34]

Just curious as to the whereabouts of the McGowan hater who single handedly ruined this forum. I wonder what he changed his name to. All I know of is that I am sure glad that Todd has been able to shut him up.

Amen to that. What a start for McGowan, I was at my cabin and listening to it in my car and was on my toes the whole time. The fans went nuts and oh boy I wish he would have gotten that 1, 2, 3.

[Chris from NY]

I would have loved to have been able to watch this game. Stupid having to work and all that. Good for McGowan and good for the Jays!

[jays07]

Amen to that. What a start for McGowan, I was at my cabin and listening to it in my car and was on my toes the whole time. The fans went nuts and oh boy I wish he would have gotten that 1, 2, 3.

you were in your car, but on your toes the whole time? you must have a big car ;) hahah..

but yes, heck of a start for mcgowan, glad to see him get the club back to .500 :gt

[PJ-34]

you were in your car, but on your toes the whole time? you must have a big car ;) hahah..


How did know someone was going to say that? It was the only thing I could think of.:crazy

[Chris from NY]

How did know someone was going to say that? It was the only thing I could think of.:crazy
It's simple; We're jerks.

[PJ-34]

:clapping :laugh

[Big_Mac]

wow, i have never been more into and excited in a baseball game than the mcgowan no-no. i was driving back from fargo and was listen on my favorite toy, the xm radio. those 8th and 9th innings i felt like i was on the mound. great job dustin.