CKL 1965 All Star voting

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--CKL owners please cast your ballot here for our 1965 All Stars. Vote for 2 players at each position, with a third wild card selection at 2 spots. Points will be 5 for first team, 3 for second and 1 for your wild cards. Vote for 8 starting pitchers; listed 1-8 (8 points for #1, 7 for #2, etc) and 4 releivers; listed 1-4. Voting closes at midnight EST on Sunday, May 6.

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C: Johnny Edwards, Jim Pagliaroni
1B: Don Mincher, Norm Cash
2B: Joe Morgan, Pete Rose
3B: Dick Allen, Harmon Killebrew
SS: Maury Wills, Zoilio Versalles
LF: Frank Robinson, Willie Horton (Leon Wagner and Willie Stargell were tough cuts)
CF: Willie Mays, Johnny Callison, Carl Yastremzski
RF: Hank Aaron, Curt Belfary, Tony Oliva
SP:
1) Jim Bunning
2) Jim Maloney
3) Sandy Koufax
4) Juan Marichal
5) Vern Law
6) Claude Osteen
7) Fred Newman
8) Joel Horlen
RP
1) Ted Abernathy
2) Stu Miller
3) Eddie Fisher
4) Hal Woodeschick

[J W]

The strength this season looks like CF, where I don't see how Mays, Yaz and Callison can't be left off. Mays has 22x putouts, Yaz is errorless, and Callison's defensive stats are very good considering he's out of position. 2B is also strong with Morgan, Rose and Rojas leading the way.

I struggled with my last OFer like Mark did, but Wagner has no range in the OF and Oliva gets the homer nod over Stargell. I was tempted to add Knights utility man Junior Gilliam instead.

I also went with Brooks Robinson over Harmon Killebrew... their RC/27 are fairly close and Robinson has over 50% more putouts than Killebrew. Wayne Causey looks like the best SS by far this season.

The list of quality starting pitchers is long this season, and I had a lot of trouble sorting them out from #5 onward. And that's with Robin Roberts being farmed out!

With relievers, I decided to give relievers with a lot of IP/ appearances a break, meaning Washburn wins over Woodeshick.

C: Johnny Edwards, Jim Pagliaroni
1B: Don Mincher, Norm Cash
2B: Joe Morgan, Pete Rose
3B: Dick Allen, Brooks Robinson
SS: Wayne Causey, Maury Wills
LF: Frank Robinson, Willie Horton
CF: Carl Yastrzemski, Willie Mays, Johnny Callison
RF: Hank Aaron, Curt Belfary, Tony Oliva

SP:
1) Jim Bunning
2) Jim Maloney
3) Sandy Koufax
4) Camilo Pascual (unbelievable)
5) Juan Marichal
6) Bob Gibson
7) Vern Law
8) Claude Osteen

RP:
1) Stu Miller
2) Eddie Fisher
3) Ted Abernathy
4) Ray Washburn

[538280]

C: Johnny Edwards, Jim Pagliaroni
1B: Norm Cash, Don Mincher, Willie McCovey
2B: Joe Morgan, Pete Rose
3B: Dick Allen, Harmon Killebrew
SS: Wayne Causey, Zolio Versalles (VERY weak field here)
LF: Frank Robinson, Leon Wagner
CF: Willie Mays, Johnny Callison, Carl Yastrzemski
RF: Hank Aaron, Tony Oliva

SP: Jim Maloney, Jim Bunning, Camilo Pascual, Juan Marichal, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Ken Johnson, Jack Fisher

RP: Stu Miller, Ted Abernathy, Ray Washburn, Jim Duffalo

[Edgartohof]

C: Johnny Edwards, Jim Pagliaroni
1B: Don Mincher, Norm Cash, Willie McCovey
2B: Joe Morgan, Pete Rose
3B: Dick Allen, Harmon Killebrew
SS: Wayne Causey, Zolio Versalles
LF: Frank Robinson, Leon Wagner
CF: Johnny Callison, Willie Mays, Carl Yastrzemski
RF: Hank Aaron, Tony Oliva

SP: Juan Marichal, Jim Bunning, Sandy Koufax, Jim Maloney, Camilo Pascual, Bob Gibson, Claud Osteen, Vern Law

RP: Hoyt Wilhelm, Stu Miller, Ted Abernathy, Ray Washburn

[catcher24]

With apologies to many, many deserving players having excellent seasons, these are my all star picks for 1965. Please note that if some of the positions seem strange, I have the benefit of owning the DM game and can check to see what positions were actually played (how many starts at what position).

C: Johnny Edwards, Jim Pagliaroni
1B: Willie McCovey, Don Mincher, Norm Siebern
2B: Joe Morgan, Pete Rose
3B: Richie Allen, Harmon Killebrew
SS: Wayne Causey, Woodie Held
LF: Frank Robinson, Leon Wagner
CF: Johnny Callison, Willie Mays, Carl Yastrzemski
RF: Hank Aaron, Tony Oliva
SP: 1) Jim Maloney 2) Jim Bunning 3) Juan Marichal 4) Jack Fisher 5) Camilo Pascual 6) Sandy Koufax 7) Robin Roberts 8) Clause Osteen
RP: 1) Stu Miller 2) Ted Abernathy 3) Steve Hamilton (he never pitched like that for me in three seasons!!) 4) Ray Washburn

[jkc32]

Shoeless chooses...

C: Johnny Edwards, Jim Pagliaroni
1B: Don Mincher, Norm Cash, Willie McCovey
2B: Joe Morgan, Pete Rose
3B: Richie Allen, Harmon Killebrew
SS: Wayne Causey, Maury Wills
LF: Frank Robinson, Leon Wagner
CF: Willie Mays, Johnny Callison
RF: Hank Aaron, Tony Oliva, Curt Blefary
SP: Jim Maloney, Jim Bunning, Juan Marichal, Sandy Koufax, Camilo Pascual, Bob Gibson, Jack Fisher, Vern Law
RP: Stu Miller, Steve Hamilton, Eddie Fisher, Al McBean

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C: Johnny Edwards, Jim Paglironi
1B: Don Mincher, Norm Cash, Willie McCovey
2B: Joe Morgan, Pete Rose
3B: Dick Allen, Harmon Killebrew
SS: Wayne Causey, Maury Wills
LF: Frank Robinson, Leon Wagner
CF: Willie Mays, Johnny Callison, Carl Yastrzenski
RF: Hank Aaron, Tony Oliva
SP: Jim Bunning, Jim maloney, Juan Marichal, Sandy Koufax, Camilio Pascaul, Bob Gibson, Vern Law, Jack Fisher
RP: Stu Miller, Ted Abernathy, Ray Washburn, Eddie Fisher

[catcher24]

Thanks for compiling those votes, Mark. Always interesting to see the result. I manage to land the third place first baseman; the eighth seeded starter; and the second reliever. No darn wonder I'm in last in the Hulbert Division!

[Edgartohof]

1B: Don Mincher
SS: Wayne Causey
SP:Juan Marichal

Well, I'm happy. In my second season, I finally got my first All-Stars. I didn't even have anyone close last year, this year, I have the starters at both 1B and SS, and Marichal is a starter.

[catcher24]

Let me see now, as I recall both Mincher and Marichal used to reside on the Legends roster...:eek: :rolleyes:

[J W]

Can't argue with that team; my only minor quabble is the election of Wagner and Killebrew over Horton and Robinson, who are having better defensive seasons. A good array of teams were represented and Tony Oliva gets a well-deserved spot a year after he was left off the '64 team in the numbers game.