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Mattingly
04-26-2007, 02:55 AM
I figured that a good ol' ESPN article (from Jerry Crasnick) would help about now. Some guys just set the table right, take lots of pitches, force a pitcher to reveal their tricks they'd been saving for later. What is there about them that makes them so important in setting the tone for a game?

What is it that you'd prefer they do in their first plate appearance? Bunt single? Walk? Infield single (a la Ichiro Suzuki)?

Other than the obvious OBP, which stats do you use to compare that specific group? Steals? Power? Baserunning skills? Please discuss. :)

The game's best leading men (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2848182)
Kenny Lofton, a guy who's churned out base hits more readily than pithy quotes through the years, once summoned the perfect analogy to describe a good leadoff man.

The attributes required include speed and baserunning acumen, patience and a discerning eye, some pop, a swagger, the dexterity to lay down a bunt and the tenacity to keep diving back into the first-base bag to beat those always annoying pickoff throws.

"You can't put your shoes on without your socks," Lofton said in an interview in 1996. "Everything works together -- shoes, socks, pants and shirts. If one is missing, you're in trouble."

While Rickey Henderson stands atop Mr. Blackwell's best dressed list for eternity, it's hard to find guys who have the entire wardrobe covered. Maybe that's why batting leadoff is like working for the government: If you're reasonably proficient, you have a job for life.

Lofton is plugging away for his 11th major league team, the Texas Rangers, at age 39, and Craig Biggio is closing in on 3,000 hits with Houston. Meanwhile, several talented young players (Rocco Baldelli, Curtis Granderson, Rickie Weeks et al) are trying to embrace the nuances of the role even though they're better suited to hit elsewhere in the order.

Who are the elite leadoff men in Major League Baseball today? We run them down in this week's installment of " The Starting 9."

Jose Reyes, NYM

"He's the best player in baseball," a National League front-office man said of Reyes. "Every tool is [rated] plus, and he can change a game in so many ways."

Based on his performance in 2006, quick start in April and the people hitting around him, a healthy Reyes appears to be a lock for 20 homers, 15 triples, 120 runs, 80 RBIs and 60 stolen bases. His on-base percentage, which spiked from .300 to .354 last season, continues to trend upward as his discipline and pitch recognition also improve.

Remember when people mocked Reyes for his lack of patience? In 2005, Reyes struck out 18 times and failed to draw a walk in the entire month of April. So far this season, he has 13 walks and nine whiffs.

Reyes will still chase a two-strike pitch outside the zone, but he hardly ever swings at the first pitch unless it's a strike. A little maturity and some guidance from teammates Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado and Jose Valentin have turned him into a man with a plan.

Even when Reyes gets a tad reckless on the bases, he has the speed to outrun his mistakes. He's been successful on 81 percent of his career stolen base attempts, and he's off to a 12-for-14 start in 2007.

Grady Sizemore, CLE

If Sizemore is behind Reyes, it's not by much. One executive, citing Sizemore's speed, on-base ability, impressive power and prudent judgment on the bases, called him "the closest there is to the total package right now." Since Sizemore is 24 years old, a wonderful athlete and driven player, he's only going to improve.

There are only two areas in which Sizemore is lacking: 1) He's a career .223 hitter against lefties; and 2) he strikes out a ton. The Indians also worked with him extensively on bunting in spring training, but he's yet to incorporate that weapon into his game.

Johnny Damon, NYY

Damon is starting to show some wear and tear after playing a minimum of 145 games a year in center field for 11 straight seasons. He's fighting a bad back and sore hamstring, and nagging injuries will continue to be a concern now that he's 33.

But we're still talking about the pro's pro -- a guy who'll foul off good pitches, take his walks and consistently set the tone for an offense. And if you judge a man by the company he keeps, Damon is going to have an awfully strong Hall of Fame case by the time he's finished. In 2006 he joined Lou Gehrig and Stan Musial as the only players to surpass 30 doubles and 100 runs scored in nine consecutive seasons.

Ichiro Suzuki, SEA

Sure, you'd like to see him walk more. But when a guy amasses 200 or more hits for six consecutive seasons and his on-base percentage averages out to .376, he's not spending a whole lot of time in the dugout.

Ichiro also wins points for knowing what to do upon arrival. He's a smart, attentive (not to mention extremely fast) baserunner, and he'll turn those singles into doubles in a hurry. Last season he stole 45 bases in 47 attempts, for a success rate of 95.7 percent. According to Baseball Prospectus, that's the all-time high for a player with 40 steal attempts

starkeeper
04-26-2007, 07:33 AM
I know he is injured at the moment, but for current lead off hitters you can't overlook what Reed Johnson has done for the Jays in the last year or so.

EricDavis
04-26-2007, 07:38 AM
My favorite is Craig Biggio. For the obvious reasons plus I'm from the Houston area.

Brooklyn
04-26-2007, 07:45 AM
Reyes. Some bias because I'm a Mets fan, but he is one of the most exciting players I've ever watched

Mariano_Rivera
04-26-2007, 08:29 AM
The best leadoff hitter in baseball is batting second for the New York Yankees

holyroman
04-26-2007, 09:59 AM
right now my favorites are:

Jose Reyes

Jimmy Rollins

ChrisLDuncan
04-26-2007, 10:52 AM
I like Sizemore but against lefties he kind of sucks. Jose Reyes is good but very overrated, easily IMO the most overrated player in all of baseball. His defense is average at best, his patience has improved but still sucks and his power potential is pretty much realized. Furcal may have been the best SS in the NL last season, but that's inflated due to his sickening defense. Johnny Damon is one tough son of a bitch, but being that tough has taken it's toll on him and he's not what he used to be although he's still a good player. Jimmy Rollins is still a fantastic short stop with great power for his frame, but I think Furcal's a touch better. Ichiro Suzuki is a wonderful player who, IMO, is the best base runner in the league...however he doesn't take enough walks for me nor does he wear down the pitcher like I'd want a lead off man to do. Alfonso Soriano may be the best offensive player, besides Sizemore, because of his huge power surge in a cavernous park. However he doesn't walk enough for me and his speed and power don't make up for it. Ryan Freel is a good player who can play just about any position and he has great wheels, but he's not quite the hitter as some of the others on this list. That leaves me with my favorite player on this list: Hanley Ramirez. He is a much superior player than Jose Reyes, similar offense but a lot more power potential. His defense is also better than Reyes' too. So if I had to make a list of the 9 players it would like this:

Hanley Ramirez
Grady Sizemore
Rafeal Furcal
Jimmy Rollins
Ichiro Suzuki
Johnny Damon
Alphonso Soriano (injuries)
Jose Reyes
Ryan Freel


But that's based on a total player rating not just their ability at lead off.

AznInvasion
04-26-2007, 11:21 AM
Granderson and Dejesus are a few who haven't been mentioned but they do pretty well for themselves. Kelly Johnson is making huge strides at leading off while playing a new position at 2b.

AstrosFan
04-26-2007, 11:35 AM
I like a guy who lost his job as leadoff man for no reason. Great OBA guy, high percentage base stealer. Of course, he's also great in the number two slot, since he's an excellent contact hitter with good power, so fans of this guy's team shouldn't be too mad about the switch. I'm talking, of course, about Derek Jeter.

strosfan
04-26-2007, 11:54 AM
My favorite is Craig Biggio. For the obvious reasons plus I'm from the Houston area.

"I love ya, Man!" It's definitely Bidge for me too!

Seriously though...just think how much better his numbers might be if Taveras hadn't taken the lead-off roll from him last year???:shrug:

Westlake
04-26-2007, 12:04 PM
Ichiro Suzuki.

Erik Bedard
04-26-2007, 01:46 PM
Brian Roberts is the prototypical leadoff guy. Great speed (all-time NCAA leader in SBs at time of graduation), switch hitter, good power, and decent defense. He gets on base fairly well, and hits a ton of doubles. He's not the best (that goes to Grady Sizemore), but he's my favorite.

monkey333
04-26-2007, 02:41 PM
The best leadoff hitter in baseball is batting second for the New York Yankees
I'm kinda in this boat as well. But for now I'll go with Grady Sizemore.

nolanryan5714
07-23-2007, 04:32 AM
As much as I'm tempted to say "Biggio," I won't. And I'm not making a list, at that.

My favorite leadoff hitter of ALL TIME is one Rickey Henderson. Contact, power, speed, defense....oh, and records. Need I say more?

I LOVED watching that man play ball. I daresay I'll never see the day he has the SB record of 130 broken.

What an exciting guy he was. I hope he is currently well.


(Sorry if I was supposed to reply to current players, Matt! In that case, it'd be Biggio.)

Zagi-CRO
07-23-2007, 05:09 AM
1. Jose Reyes
2. Ichiro Suzuki
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Brian Roberts
5. Willy Taveras
6. Hunter Pence
7. Derek Jeter
8. Chaee Utley
9. Juan Pierre
10. Chipper Jones

Reyes! Because of .386 117 H and 47 SB

Old Sweater
07-23-2007, 05:16 AM
What I've seen of Willie Taveras this year I like.

Has a .368obp with 29 bunt hits, 24sb and 53rs with a little pop in his bat recently.

The Splendid Splinter
07-23-2007, 04:05 PM
What I've seen of Willie Taveras this year I like.

Has a .368obp with 29 bunt hits, 24sb and 53rs with a little pop in his bat recently.

He's good, but there's a couple things I don't like about him. His caught stealing is a little too high for me, but he has started to not get caught lately so that's good. He has very little power. He's basically a mini-Ichiro. Again, he's still young. From his first year to now, he's improved a lot and I'm liking what I see from him.

As far who is my favorite leadoff hitter? I couldn't tell you cuz there are several good ones that everyone mentioned already. I could tell you the problems with each hitter, but I still couldn't make up my mind. I would tell you who would be great at leading off if you didn't mind not having steals from that spot: Todd Helton and Kevin Youkilis...

sturg1dj
07-23-2007, 04:14 PM
Sizemore gets so much attention but Granderson's numbers are alomst better across the board. Sizemore has more walks and a higher OBA, but Granderson has everything else......even Sizemore has struck out more which is the biggest dig on Granderson.

G.Costanza
07-23-2007, 07:35 PM
I must disagree, the asian standard is far different

G.Costanza
07-23-2007, 07:37 PM
Muy Favorite is Ichiro , becuase he is the most mentally strong player , and I like the japanese stlye

PJ-34
07-23-2007, 08:22 PM
I'd have to say Ichiro is the greatest leadoff hitter the game has ever seen. But I like Taveress because he can lay down the bunt and I think that is a big thing when you're looking for a lead-off guy.

rdonahue
07-23-2007, 09:03 PM
1. Jose Reyes
2. Ichiro Suzuki
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Brian Roberts
5. Willy Taveras
6. Hunter Pence
7. Derek Jeter
8. Chaee Utley
9. Juan Pierre
10. Chipper Jones

Reyes! Because of .386 117 H and 47 SB

No Granderson anywhere? Some of those guys don't even lead off.

Centerfielder2
07-23-2007, 09:23 PM
^^^ i agreee

chipper jones ? come on he doesnt have any lead off qualities to him.

Westlake
07-23-2007, 09:39 PM
How in the world is Taveras even being mentioned (especially the guy that puts him above Jeter)? A true product of Coors.

Away stats: .292/.347/.329 0 HR, 2 2B, 1 3B

Pretty good SB %, but that's really about it.

He's doing a better than he was in Houston, but not by as much as a casual glance at his stats would suggest.

SamtheBravesFan
07-23-2007, 10:01 PM
1. Jose Reyes
2. Ichiro Suzuki
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Brian Roberts
5. Willy Taveras
6. Hunter Pence
7. Derek Jeter
8. Chaee Utley
9. Juan Pierre
10. Chipper Jones

Reyes! Because of .386 117 H and 47 SB

Pence, Jeter, Utley, Pierre and Jones don't lead off.

nolanryan5714
07-23-2007, 10:03 PM
Pence, Jeter, Utley, Pierre and Jones don't lead off.

Nice catch, Sam. I was just about to mention that.

Mattingly
07-24-2007, 12:28 AM
Now that we have the names, what about the characteristics? What does each player do when leading off that makes them so valuable as a player? Do they beat out the infield hit? Do they walk a lot when leading off? Do they take a lot of pitches, allowing their teammates to see what the pitcher throws when he absolutely needs to get an out?

Just pretend that you're telling a story about Reyes, Sizemore, Suzuki, Biggio, etc, and that if someone who'd observed that player often were listening, they'd know exactly who you were talking about. What is a typical at-bat for these players, and what is it about this that sets the table so nicely? Please be very desciptive. :)

flash143817
07-24-2007, 05:10 PM
Pence, Jeter, Utley, Pierre and Jones don't lead off.

And Pierre doesn't belong on any "best" list.



Except maybe "best at sucking"...

Centerfielder2
07-24-2007, 07:25 PM
^^^
he doesnt suck

he just happens to be very average