Who has a shot at the HOF on each team - Tigers

[catbox_9]

I thought this would be somewhat interesting (although I could see why it wouldn't be so I apologize in advanced):
While it is nearly impossible to predict a young players HOF chances it is still kind of interesting to try to do it anyways. I thought it would be cool to go team by team and talk about their 25 man roster's chances at the HOF. Since I'm a Tigers fan we'll start there. If they all retired today I think Rodriguez and Sheffield are in and Rogers would make the ballot (although he wouldn't get in) but nobody else would even have a shot. In the future, who knows?

For this thread vote for up to 10 players but feel free to vote for less or none at all. Also, since there are so many young players, do your best to guess whether or not they're in when their career is over, not wheter or not they'd be in now. Lastly, I've included Kenny Rogers (who is on the DL) but god rid of Seay (since he wasn't supposed to make the roster and I think most of us will agree his chances are slim).

[catbox_9]

Now that I've made this it looks even stupider than I originally thought. I'd like to vote for Verlander but based on the fact he's pitched just one season (plus 2 games this year with a 0.00 ERA and 0-2 the year before his rookie year) it's really hard for me to say that 20 years from now he'll have the numbers to be a HOFer.

[2Chance]

I'll play.

Pudge and Sheffield.

Ordonez may get some votes, depending on his final counting stats and any future World Series legacy.

Our pitching staff's youth (Bonderman, Verlander and Zumaya)may have something to contribute, but it's too soon to tell.

[Yankee Legend]

Gary Sheffield - duh
Ivan Rodriguez - duh
Justin Verlander - I think he'll have a good enough career to get in. It's still a long way off though.

[catbox_9]

What I don't get is that someone didn't vote for Rodriguez. You could argue he's the best catcher ever. I'm not so sure if I'd say that but you could. According to Bill James, Rodriguez gets an A+ defensively (and has a ton of gold gloves if you don't like James) and he's got a shot at 3000 hits which is pretty good for a catcher. He once caught a perfect game (although that's nowhere near as significant for a catcher as it is for a pitcher).

[nerfan]

Yeah, Pudge has a 113 OPS+ as a catcher, with 279 home runs and nearly 4000 total bases. He also has 2362 hits, a runs created/9 of about 6.00, and 5 seasons of over 100 runs created. He's also batting .304 as a catcher! Not to mention the 13 all-star games, the 12 GG, the 7 silver sluggers, and the MVP.

[KCGHOST]

I'll go with Pudge and Sheff. The rest of those guys either haven't done enough or play enough to make real projection.

[DoubleX]

Rodriguez will likely sail into Cooperstown, Sheffield could be a little more interesting. I'd probably support Sheffield, but voters might not be so quick to based on his attachment to steroids, the thought that his numbers might be inflated due to era, and the fact that he seems to wear out his welcome everywhere he goes. I don't see anyone else on the Tigers roster with a shot at this point. It's either to early to predict for most of them, or there are veterans that haven't done enough and probably don't have enough time to do enough (i.e. Kenny Rogers, Magglio Ordonez, Sean Casey).

[Erik Bedard]

I could definitely picture Granderson, Bonderman, and Verlander going in someday, but I just went with Pudge and Sheff.

[Dalkowski110]

How does Jose Mesa get a shot? Just curious to know the logic behind that one. Although Rollie Fingers is on his 10 most comparable pitchers list, so are guys like Roberto Hernandez, Rick Aguilera, Dan Spillner, Doug Jones...

[catbox_9]

Yeah, I saw Mesa had 2 votes and I don't get that. He's up there in all-time saves but that means next to nothing since before about 1980 getting a save was way different than now (and it's even more dramatic since 1990). He's old so it's not like he's got 10 years left and he isn't even a closer any more. If Mesa were to get in I'd lose all respect for the HOF.

[dgarza]

Jose Mesa is my favorite "HOF Monitor" example.
He has got to have to most interesting difference between his Monitor numbers and his HOF Standards numbers.

[Colorado Express]

Pudge is a no-brainer, Sheff should get in, but the power hitters of this era are under a cloud, so who knows. I didn't vote for Verlander, but should he continue his down his current path, he certainly has a shot at it.

[catbox_9]

I just checked out those numbers which I'd never done before and I can't believe he's a likely HOFer. He was a starter for a while but not very effective, his lifetime ERA+ is barely 100 and his WHIP is 1.471 320 saves is impressive but there aren't many closers in the HOF and he's only 13th all-time in saves and most of the guys ahead of him aren't in the HOF.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I-Rod and Sheffield would probably go in based on what they've done to date.

Magglio Ordonez is a dark horse. He's kind of like Bobby Abreu, in terms of the HOF. He has a chance, and guys who do what he's done have made the HOF, but he's got to keep it up until age 38, at least. And he HAS to keep his BA over .300; he won't get there if he doesn't.

[Edgartohof]

I don't think I've seen anyone mention Guillen.

So what about him?

He has definitely reinvented himself since moving to Detroit.

Before moving to Detroit, he was: .264/.335/.383, with a 94 OPS+

Since then, he has been: .319/.386/.505, with a 134 OPS+

His biggest problem, is just staying healthy and staying in the lineup. If he can do that, he may garner some more support.

[Yankee Legend]

I don't think I've seen anyone mention Guillen.

So what about him?

He has definitely reinvented himself since moving to Detroit.

Before moving to Detroit, he was: .264/.335/.383, with a 94 OPS+

Since then, he has been: .319/.386/.505, with a 134 OPS+

His biggest problem, is just staying healthy and staying in the lineup. If he can do that, he may garner some more support.

.319/.386/.505, with a 134 OPS+

If he does this the rest of his career, steals some bases, wins a couple of GG's, and the Tigers can win a championship, he'll have a decent chance to get in.

[Fuzzy Bear]

.319/.386/.505, with a 134 OPS+

If he does this the rest of his career, steals some bases, wins a couple of GG's, and the Tigers can win a championship, he'll have a decent chance to get in.

He'll have to play at or near this level until well into his 30s and stay at shortstop in order to make the HOF. It's hard to make the HOF playing catch-up, but it's better than petering out too early.

[philipthegreat]

I think I-Rod and Sheffield are almost shoe ins for the hall of fame but I also think that ordenez if he play well for anpther few seasons.

[digglahhh]

.319/.386/.505, with a 134 OPS+

If he ... wins a couple of GG's

This part will never happen. He's a butcher!

For the past three years he's been a very effective offensive player, when on the field. He's a switch hitter with some pop, he hits for a high average and has developed a good enough eye to take decent number of walks (especially for a guy who is not a huge power threat).

Defensively, I think he is pretty poor. He also swipes some bags, but gets caught a lot too.

Much better Detroit middle infielders have been slighted in the past...

[rdonahue]

I think I-Rod and Sheffield are almost shoe ins for the hall of fame but I also think that ordenez if he play well for anpther few seasons.

Ordonez is having quite the season so far this year. Half a year isn't good enough for the HOF (or even a whole year) but it's a start. He's been injured and he's finally healthy. If he can keep this up, who knows. I still didn't vote for him though.

Another interesting player is Bonderman. It's way too early to tell and I'd still guess no, but at age 24 he already has 53 wins which is more than a lot of guys (Maddux, Clemens, etc.) had. He won't turn 25 until the season is over.

[Brad Harris]

None of them. They'll have to retire first, then wait at least 5 years and then make the Hall of Fame. :p

I-Rod and Sheff are the only sure things.

[Lin_Kuei_Fighter]

Magglio IMO has a shot to make it to 3,000 hits. Is having a stellar year. I voted Magglio for the HOF.