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NotAboutEgo
04-11-2007, 12:07 PM
For all you naysayers out there... eat this... I mean read this...

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Aussie Plays College Baseball
Oh Boy! That Girl Can Play

By Barry Scanlon, bscanlon@lowellsun.com


NASHUA -- Christal Fitzgerald isn't interested in making history -- even if she is.

She's just interested in being one of the guys -- even if she isn't.

Fitzgerald, a Daniel Webster College freshman via Sydney, Australia, is just the fourth woman to play baseball at a U.S. college (all at the Division 3 level) and the first international female player to drive in a run during a game.

"In the games, that's something that doesn't even cross my mind," said Fitzgerald, a pitcher/second baseman. "I refuse to let it enter my mind. Baseball is baseball. I just want to get treated like a ballplayer on a field. I don't go out there to be a role model. I play the sport because I love it.

"But I would like to kind of inspire young girls to excel in the game," she added. "There's girls playing high-school baseball. Hopefully they'll learn about this and be inspired and not feel so alone."

Fitzgerald joined the Eagles last fall. But it wasn't until a recent nine-game trip to Florida that the affable Fitzgerald earned the respect of her teammates.

During a game against Curry College, Daniel Webster, which hopes to begin its official spring season Tuesday, was trailing badly. Fitzgerald walked to the plate to pinch hit.

"(The pitcher) had the smirk under his glove," Daniel Webster head coach Jim Cardello said.

On the first pitch, Fitzgerald took a giant hack and fouled it off. She was a fraction away from ripping a line drive. The pitcher called the catcher out for a conference.

The next pitch, a 70-75 mph fastball, struck Fitzgerald in the back of her left shoulder.

"For a pitcher to be scared that a girl was going to hit him is funny to me," she said.

Still, the pitch stung, so she suppressed a grimace and ran down to first.

"Oh my God. It was shocking," said junior outfielder/pitcher Danny Haynes, a native of Downsville, N.Y. "She took it like it was nothing."

Pitches later, a teammate hit a ground ball to second. Curry never had a chance to turn the double play -- Fitzgerald took out the shortstop with a hard, clean slide.

"She made a great play and took out the shortstop. She knows what to do. I was really impressed with that," Haynes said. "It showed everyone that she knows how to play baseball and that nothing is going to get to her. I think she earned a lot of respect from everyone that day."

"That's the first time I noticed the guys included her off the field in Florida," Cardello said.

How does a female ballplayer from Australia wind up playing at a college in New Hampshire?

Fitzgerald played the previous two summers in the North American Women's Baseball League, the 2006 season in Nashua when the four-team league moved to the Gate City. Of the 60 or so players in the league, Fitzgerald is one of the top "six or seven" best talents, Cardello said.

The previous three women to play baseball at a U.S. college were all pitchers. Fitzgerald is also a pitcher, someone who can throw in the mid-70s with great accuracy. Cardello projects Fitzgerald as a reliever.

In Florida, during a game against Division 3 power St. Joseph's College of Maine, Fitzgerald pitched two scoreless innings before faltering in her third inning. Cardello said there was a "buzz" in the park when Fitzgerald toed the rubber.

"Is that a girl?" one fan asked.

Another yelled, "You go, girl!"

"I was really impressed by the reaction," Fitzgerald said.

She's also a backup second baseman who is working hard on her hitting, like Wednesday afternoon at the Nashua Baseball Academy when she took her rips next to her teammates.

During the Florida trip, she hammered a pitch up the middle for an RBI single.

"She was shaking when I gave her a high-five," Cardello said.

Cardello said the greatest compliment he can give Fitzgerald is that he considers her one of his players, not the only female player.

It wasn't always that way. Last fall, when Cardello gathered his returning players, he told them a female player would be joining the Eagles.

To say there was no standing ovation would be an understatement.

"It took a few moments to realize it was serious," Haynes said. "It's not something you hear about every day. But coach said, 'She can play the game.' He was right."

"Some guys were OK. Some guys thought it was a joke. Some guy were a little immature about it," Cardello said. "I was concerned with how she was going to fit in. You're going to get questioned. You're going to get ridiculed. You've got to have tough skin to take it. She's been phenomenal."

Due to Fitzgerald's work ethic and personality, incorporating her onto the team has been a "pretty seamless thing," Cardello said. "She made herself part of the team by always being there. She's just one of the 25 players on our team. She's fit in real well."

"I had heard stuff about how the other three girls hadn't been treated so well (by their teammates). The (Daniel Webster) guys are awesome," she said.

Fitzgerald plans to try out this year for the Australian National Women's Team and her ultimate goal is to work for the Australian Baseball Federation.

"I love a challenge," she said.

http://www.awbf.org/Aussie_Plays_College_Baseball.html
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I know this woman isn't the exception for being able to do what a lot of people say women can't do! Like many of us have stated on here before, the women's game is still in development, and the standards and level of play of women will improve over time, much like it did and still does in the men's game.

NotAboutEgo
04-11-2007, 12:28 PM
Here's some more great info...

These are girls who play baseball at their high schools and also in the Rochester Rivercats girls' baseball team in Rochester, New York...

http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=rochesterrivercats

Alex Hebert plays on Webster Thomas JV baseball team
Alex Hebert, a 15 year old tenth grader, will play baseball at Webster Thomas. Alex batted .320 on the Thomas Freshman team in 2006, and will play on the JV team in 2007.


Kira Wagar plays JV Baseball
Kira Wagar, a Senior at Greece Arcadia High School, played on the JV team in 2004. Following that she played 2 years Varsity Softball winning a Sectional championship in 2006. Kira was named to the all tournament team.

Kira is now starting at second base for the defending National Champs Monroe Community College.


Megan Kane plays Varsity ball
Megan Kane was starting shortstop for East High School Varsity Softball team in 2006. Megan started out playing at 40 & 1 Little League and played on various all-star teams and travel teams including the Rochester Diamond Dawgs.

Utility07
04-13-2007, 02:35 PM
The next pitch, a 70-75 mph fastball




.....Stop right there. How the hell did this kid get to be on a college team throwing a 75 MPH fastball.

Westlake
04-13-2007, 03:01 PM
.....Stop right there. How the hell did this kid get to be on a college team throwing a 75 MPH fastball.

Maybe he didn't want to hit her with a 90 mph one.

NotAboutEgo
04-13-2007, 07:24 PM
In all 11 of Ila Border's professional at bats when she played in the independent leagues, she was hit by the pitch. Seems to be too much of a coincidence to me.

Utility07
04-13-2007, 11:25 PM
If you are gonna throw at her,(which I dont condone) you might as well THROW it.

Why throw at a girl, like a girl?

If she wants to play baseball, let her play baseball.

We had a girl wanted to play football at my highschool. At first I told the coaches my parents raised me to not hit women. Coach said do the drill or run. I welcomed her to practice by sending her to the trainers office.

CuriousBoston
04-14-2007, 08:10 AM
.....Stop right there. How the hell did this kid get to be on a college team throwing a 75 MPH fastball.

that after she hit a strong foul, the pitcher did not want to give her a chance to hit a fair ball. Perhaps the pitcher was afraid he would be teased. He called out his catcher...they agreed to hit her, but not hard, so the pitcher would not look bad.

digglahhh
04-14-2007, 03:24 PM
We had a girl wanted to play football at my highschool. At first I told the coaches my parents raised me to not hit women. Coach said do the drill or run. I welcomed her to practice by sending her to the trainers office.

When I was about sixteen I got into a fight with a (male) karate instructor. I broke his nose in about six seconds.

Am I cool too?

Utility07
04-14-2007, 03:30 PM
My point was, hes not doing her any favors by coddling her.

CuriousBoston
04-14-2007, 04:02 PM
When I was about sixteen I got into a fight with a (male) karate instructor. I broke his nose in about six seconds.

Am I cool too?

It's like getting fastballs right in the middle of the plate, again, and again, and again. Or using a crosscut shredder to destroy a paper doll, or a meat grinder to chop lettuce.

Westlake
04-14-2007, 04:23 PM
My point was, hes not doing her any favors by coddling her.

Because hitting her with a pitch is coddling?

Utility07
04-14-2007, 05:04 PM
If he doesnt throw it they same way he would throw it at anyone else, yes; yes it is.

digglahhh
04-14-2007, 05:18 PM
If he doesnt throw it they same way he would throw it at anyone else, yes; yes it is.

Who's coddling her? You assumed, based on who knows what, that this pitcher intentionally hit the girl, but threw at less than full velocity.

So, you are not just assuming the pitcher's intent when throwing the pitch, but also his peak velocity, again, with no evident reason to make either assumption.

The story was about a female collegiate player, you chose immediately to focus on the "level of play." She can't determine how fast the pitcher who she is facing throws. And, yes, presumably this is not elite collegiate level competition, but I don't think that diminishes her accomplishment, because the accomplishment itself is related to more than just baseball.

You proceeded to tell a story about how you injured a girl who wanted to play football in high school. You told it as if you were proud of it. I'm not saying you should be ashamed, because I don't think that you should. She wanted to play football, she played football. But you seemed to take satisfaction from proving to this girl that she ain't fit to play with the big boys. Or maybe you just take a perverse sense of pride from injuring your teammates during practice, I dunno.

captlid
04-14-2007, 08:19 PM
If he doesnt throw it they same way he would throw it at anyone else, yes; yes it is.

You are making a huge assumption that he threw it slow on purpose. Do you know what the average velocity for a div 3 pitcher is?

If he did, kudos to him being considerate enough not to injure the player. Its similar to what happens in the majors on occasion, a guy throws a low 80's curveball at some batter's butt.

Jack Bauer
04-14-2007, 11:14 PM
If you are gonna throw at her,(which I dont condone) you might as well THROW it.

Why throw at a girl, like a girl?

If she wants to play baseball, let her play baseball.

We had a girl wanted to play football at my highschool. At first I told the coaches my parents raised me to not hit women. Coach said do the drill or run. I welcomed her to practice by sending her to the trainers office.

At least, your parents told you to welcome new players with style. :laugh :laugh :laugh You have good parents. :laugh :laugh

Utility07
04-14-2007, 11:51 PM
Maybe he didn't want to hit her with a 90 mph one.

No actually westlake made that assumption that he was throwing at her.

I have several friends that play D3.....pitchers in D3 dont throw 75. Only exception POSSIBLY being a Knuckleballer.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
04-15-2007, 12:13 AM
If you are gonna throw at her,(which I dont condone) you might as well THROW it.

Why throw at a girl, like a girl?

If she wants to play baseball, let her play baseball.

We had a girl wanted to play football at my highschool. At first I told the coaches my parents raised me to not hit women. Coach said do the drill or run. I welcomed her to practice by sending her to the trainers office.Honestly, is the "throw like a girl" comment necessary? You really seem to come at this one from both sides. You say that you don't condone throwing at batters, but if you are going to do it, you might as well give it to 'em good? Isn't that a little bi-polar? That's like saying "I don't approve of violence, but if I do get into a fight I hope I beat the other person to a pulp". What is your actual opinion, sans the "throw's like a girl"-type comments?

Utility07
04-15-2007, 12:35 AM
My opinion is that the pitcher should either call time, have the coach pull him, or pitch to her. If I was on a team, and a pitcher threw at a girl, just so he wouldnt have to pitch to her, hed catch alot more hell from me than if he gave up a hit.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
04-15-2007, 12:44 AM
Excellent. Now why did you have to throw in the part about you injuring a girl in football? You came off like you endorsed hitting girls, or that you approved of what this guy did.

I think it's possible to have a great discussion about these somewhat touchy issues, without having to say things which might be perceived as insults by others. I hope we can continue like that.

Utility07
04-15-2007, 12:51 AM
If they choose to play football, I do endorse hitting girls.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
04-15-2007, 12:53 AM
I wouldn't say that I endorse it. However, I would say that if I see someone coming down on me, I'm not going to worry about if it's a guy or a girl. To me, it's a football player and if I need to hit them I'll hit them. But that also means that I'm not going to hit them extra-hard if I realize that it's a girl. Equality works both ways.

Utility07
04-15-2007, 12:55 AM
I hit everyone as hard as I could. There was no extra hard.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
04-15-2007, 01:03 AM
In that case, that's fine. Once again though, you kind of came off as if you were extra-proud that you put her in the trainer's room. I guess I just read it wrong. Personally, I know it feels great to lay someone out in hockey (never really played that much football, other than pick up).

FindAGap12
04-16-2007, 07:52 AM
In all 11 of Ila Border's professional at bats when she played in the independent leagues, she was hit by the pitch. Seems to be too much of a coincidence to me.
I find this extremely hard to believe. Any documentation?

bluezebra
04-16-2007, 12:18 PM
.....Stop right there. How the hell did this kid get to be on a college team throwing a 75 MPH fastball.

That's why he's in DIV III. Not exactly UCLA vs USC.

Bob

Utility07
04-16-2007, 07:21 PM
Yeah, but they are still gonna be throwing over 75.

NotAboutEgo
04-17-2007, 08:51 AM
I find this extremely hard to believe. Any documentation?

I heard it from researchers. I don't have documentation of it, but they must. I don't find it hard to believe considering the way Ila was treated.

NotAboutEgo
04-17-2007, 08:52 AM
I was once purposely hit by a female pitcher in an all-women's baseball game... and she didn't throw the ball as hard as she normally does when she hit me. Is there anything there that has to do with gender?

Utility07
04-17-2007, 10:18 AM
yeah. That would never happen in a mens game, and it doesnt make much sense. If your gonna bean someone theres gonna be maliscious intent. If not, why not intentionally walk. Beaning to let the runner on is retarded, there is a very large possibility of a wild pitch if the batter can manage to get out of the way.

I guess women have more feeling than men? Or forgot about how to intentionally walk people? One of the two.

NotAboutEgo
04-17-2007, 10:31 AM
yeah. That would never happen in a mens game, and it doesnt make much sense. If your gonna bean someone theres gonna be maliscious intent. If not, why not intentionally walk. Beaning to let the runner on is retarded, there is a very large possibility of a wild pitch if the batter can manage to get out of the way.

I guess women have more feeling than men? Or forgot about how to intentionally walk people? One of the two.

Really? I've seen MLB pitchers intentionally hit batters while throwing at lower speeds than they normally do when they aren't intentionally hitting someone. I've even heard some say, in interviews on TV, that they've done it purposely and at a lower velocity than normal, to send a message to the other team.

Women don't have more feeling than men (being more emotional when someone hits them with a pitch), if that's what you're saying. I posted the comment to see what people would say, and to make a point that it seems to be too much of a coincidence that Ila was hit all 11 times at bat. Is it that most men can't handle a woman playing baseball amongst them, so they have to bean them to show their insecurity and immaturatiy of the situation? If there were no gender issues there, Ila wouldn't have been beaned while at bat anymore than a male hitter would be beaned.

Why is it that most men can't handle women competing with and beating them in baseball?

Utility07
04-17-2007, 11:19 AM
Dont know. I have a girl on my team. In a normal league it would never happen but we play with 2 seperate lineups for offense and defense. She pretty much never hits because she cant, so we dont bother.

Anyways, yeah, I dont know. I would pitch to a girl not plunk.

But if you are gonna throw at someone, throwing at half speed is retarded. its inviting wild pitches.

NotAboutEgo
04-17-2007, 11:30 AM
Dont know. I have a girl on my team. In a normal league it would never happen but we play with 2 seperate lineups for offense and defense. She pretty much never hits because she cant, so we dont bother.

Anyways, yeah, I dont know. I would pitch to a girl not plunk.

But if you are gonna throw at someone, throwing at half speed is retarded. its inviting wild pitches.

Interesting... there are competitive leagues out there where women do play on offense and on defense in the same games and where they are very successful at it. Just because the woman in your league can't hit doesn't mean no woman can hit. That's a very limited view.

Utility07
04-17-2007, 12:30 PM
Never said that was my view of all women.

NotAboutEgo
04-17-2007, 12:57 PM
Never said that was my view of all women.

So, why did you post it? If that's not your view of all women, it has no relevance. You posted it as if the fact that the woman in your league can't hit has something to do with anything we're talking about here.

There are plenty of men who can't hit, either. Not comparing women and men here but simply stating that there are plenty of both genders who have inferior skills... i.e. who can't hit. It means nothing other than they may not be as good as other players on the team and in the league, and they may not make a team they are trying out for.

You also said that in a normal league, it wouldn't happen. You are inferring that the league you play in makes exceptions for women because of how they are inferior to men.

A lot of women's leagues have separate offensive and defensive lineups as well, but it is done that way so that everyone gets playing time... since most women's teams play around 12-15 games a season.

Utility07
04-17-2007, 06:42 PM
Nope, same deal its all about Playing Time and money.

TG Coach
05-03-2007, 09:20 PM
That's why he's in DIV III. Not exactly UCLA vs USC.

Bob

Typically D3 pitchers throw at least 80mph. But some D3's don't recruit, are non competitive and take whomever shows up for tryouts. Competitive programs don't have tryouts except for walk ons and even then the coach knows they're coming.

FindAGap12
05-04-2007, 12:21 PM
Typically D3 pitchers throw at least 80mph. But some D3's don't recruit, are non competitive and take whomever shows up for tryouts. Competitive programs don't have tryouts except for walk ons and even then the coach knows they're coming.

Daniel Webster is a non-competetive program. It is an Avaition school, so you you go there just to play Baseball, you go to be a pilot, and then, maybe you play baseball for fun. Their talent is comparable to an average High School team.

The team mentioned in the article, Curry College, is a competetive program, and I know that most of their Pitchers throw in the 80s.

CuriousBoston
05-04-2007, 05:39 PM
Interesting... there are competitive leagues out there where women do play on offense and on defense in the same games and where they are very successful at it. Just because the woman in your league can't hit doesn't mean no woman can hit. That's a very limited view.

He coaches a high school team. He may be talking about the team he coaches?

Utility07
05-05-2007, 03:52 AM
Nope, thats one of the two teams I play on.