USAF1 All-Time Mock Draft Sign Ups!

[USAF1]

Ok boys and girls its baseball season so what better way to kick it off then participating in an all-time fantasy mock draft. I want to have a mock draft where we use everyone (players/managers) from the history of baseball to compile the best possible teams. After the draft concludes we will have a "playoff" where each team is seeded by random order. We will then conduct a poll to decide who moves on and who goes home. I figure there are all these football mocks going on, so why not bring it over to the baseball crowd.


Rules:

-8 Teams
-23 Rds (12 position players/5 Starters/5 Relievers/1 manager
-Each Rd is reciprocated (ie. If you have 1st pick in rd 1 you'll be last in rd 2)
-NL Format = No DH
-Once everyone signs up i will pull names from a hat to determine draft order.
-Any current or former MLB player may be picked
-Draft starts the day after the last person signs up
-Draft clock runs from 10 AM to 10PM EST Monday to Friday (Weekends clock is off but picks can still be made)
-3 hour time limit
-No Trades
-You are allowed 2 misses on picks.
-If you miss a 3rd you will be replaced
-Have an enjoyable time doing this

The big thing for me is having picks made on time. I've run a bunch of mock drafts in the past and am very big on proxy lists. For instance if there is a particular day you anticipate not being around, send me a list of 10-15 players for upcoming picks. In fact, id prefer a list was sent even if you plan on being here. Also, i cannot guarentee i'll be here every waking moment, and while i'll be here every day at some point, i usually send a proxy list to 1 other person just in case. Again, highly recommended.

Before i forget, if you have AOL IM please leave your screen name. I've found this makes for a quicker process.

Thanks.

TEAMS:

1.USAF1-Pittsburgh Pirates
2.Wade8813
3.Windy City Fan
4.Sockeye
5.Disgruntaledmarinerfan
6.Westlake
7.Mintsrel
8.Washizzle Express

[Wade8813]

I might be interested, but a lot of things need to be addressed first. Are we using single season stats? Career? Best year other than top 2, to remove outliers?

9 am to 9 pm is a bad starting time. That's 6 am over here. Move it to 10 am to 10 pm. That's more reasonable.

A 3 hour windows is highly restrictive. Anyone who works is probably automatically disallowed, unless they send ALL of their picks to someone else. Drafts don't work well that way, because people base their picks off who's been taken. I have a very open schedule because I'm only in college for a few hours, but even I'm not available during every 3 hour window.

BTW - is 'Pittsburgh Pirates' your IM username? Or the name of your team?

[Erik Bedard]

I probably can't (wow, this is the first time I've EVER not joined a new project in the Fantasy forum).

[USAF1]

[I might be interested, but a lot of things need to be addressed first. Are we using single season stats? Career? Best year other than top 2, to remove outliers?

9 am to 9 pm is a bad starting time. That's 6 am over here. Move it to 10 am to 10 pm. That's more reasonable.

A 3 hour windows is highly restrictive. Anyone who works is probably automatically disallowed, unless they send ALL of their picks to someone else. Drafts don't work well that way, because people base their picks off who's been taken. I have a very open schedule because I'm only in college for a few hours, but even I'm not available during every 3 hour window.

BTW - is 'Pittsburgh Pirates' your IM username? Or the name of your team?


I am very open to making changes to fit the needs of everyone here. The 3 hour window is something ive come to like only because ive done a bunch of mocks on various websites. Ive done bigger windows of time, and while most picks are made on time, the ones that arent really slow the draft down. I just completed a 30 rd nfl mock draft using the same timetables and there were very few missed picks. Anything less than 3 is too short but i really dislike going much longer because a missed pick can make an entire day into a waste.

With a missed pick, the person may pick whenever they show up and the few times ive had it happen the person selected within 2-3 picks later. Again, im open to suggestions.

The other alternative is having all 8 GM's meet at a specified time and we'll just knock out a large # of picks over the course of an hour or two. Ive done that, however you really need ppl that can be around on a consistant basis.

-I like to use the career stats as guidelines for argument sake once the draft concludes. So career stats for this particular mock...

-10 AM to 10 PM works for me if that suits you better...

-Pirates was just my team name....

Thoughts?

[Erik Bedard]

I personally loved the rules of this draft (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=45038).

[Wade8813]

Sounds good. I'm in.

Are we doing career stats? Single season? Something weird (any year that isn't top 2 Warp1, average of any two consecutive years, etc)?

Also, you'll have to establish parameters - minimum at bats/games, IP/games pitched/starts/relief appearances, games at a certain position, etc.

[USAF1]

Those rules are pretty good but i dont like the 8 hour time limits. For this draft, because i know a bunch of ppl are west coast, id be willing to go 5 hours but honestly with anything longer you are looking at a draft that could drag if multiple picks are missd....From what ive seen the ppl that participate in these do a real good job, but from past experience id rather not go longer then say 5 hours....

Oh and the draft is NL format = No DH. I think that makes it a little more challenging.

Please keep the suggestions coming. Im really itching to get this thing put together :hyper:

[USAF1]

Sorry i edited the above post instead of posting a new one...

Career stats.

After the draft concludes we'll put together the rosters and then teams will be randomly seeded 1-8 and pitted againts one another in a playoff format.

We'll post a poll regarding each matchup until the winner is determined....

[Wade8813]

NL? Bah! Humbug! I really don't think it's really more challenging. Oh well...

So, voting determines who wins?

[Windy City Fan]

Count me in.

[Sockeye]

I like the 3 hour time limit. Count me in!

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

Count me in.

[USAF1]

Ok thanks to those who have signed up thus far.....

5 spots filled, need 3 more GM's. Spread the word this will be a pretty awesome draft...:p

[The Splendid Splinter]

just wondering... what do you mean by career stats? like career total stats or like 162 games career average? just curious cuz i would like to know what a guy like Joe Jackson or David Wright or short career guys? how would those guys do compare to guys who had long careers?

[USAF1]

Id like people to make their selections based on the players they feel are the greatest, wherever they are selecting. For instance i may rank players 1-10 differently than the next guy.

I dont want the stats to completely dictate the judgement process either. Stats can be overrated in some cases so dont always think that taking the best statistical player in a category will get you the voters favor. Basically in the end i like to use career totals so people can use certain seasons in an argument as well as overall totals.

Really the people that will vote on the matchups will make up their own minds. I mean really a Bob Gibson-Sandy Koufax matchup is as close to a wash as you can get with all time greats but the fun comes in trying to convince the voters one way or another.....

[Westlake]

Im in.......

[Erik Bedard]

When are you planning to start? I'm not likely to have reliable internet access until Tuesday or Wednesday.

[USAF1]

I'd like to start Monday, as long as we can get 2 more ppl to join before then.

However, if you'd like to join we can always start Tuesday. It sounds like you're really into doing something like this and im always looking for dedicated people.

Let me know....

[Washizzle Express]

Count me in. But just to clarify, since it's voting on who advances each round, what would tiebreakers be, if needed, and could we play players out of position, seeing as we do pick a manager?

[Minstrel]

I'll play.

[Washizzle Express]

Would it be possible to have the draft be 26 rounds, with 3 more bench spots so there would be more room for "managerical decisions" like lefty specialists or utility players that could affect the voting process?

[Erik Bedard]

I guess I can join, if you give me a late slot and we start on Tuesday.

[USAF1]

OK guys that makes 8!

After some thought i'll bump the draft up to 25 rds to allow for 2 more positional picks along w/ the 5 starters/5 relievers combo.

The draft will start Monday 10 AM EST w/ a 4 Hour Time limit

I'll post the selection order shortly in a seperate thread....

[Wade8813]

Is it alright if I pick now? (We just wouldn't start anyone's time limit until it officially starts).

[USAF1]

Yeah thats not a problem....go ahead and select

You can pick, and ill follow suit and who knows we might knock out a few more picks before the days done...

[Windy City Fan]

Just curious if we have any positional requirements in this draft. Usually we require a certain minimum number of games to be played at a given position for a player to be eligible to the play there.

Of course, there are a few exceptions. Most fantasy drafts we hold around here allow corner outfielders to switch spots and centerfielders to play anywhere in the outfield. Some drafts also allow SS to play 2B.

[Minstrel]

Just curious if we have any positional requirements in this draft. Usually we require a certain minimum number of games to be played at a given position for a player to be eligible to the play there.

Of course, there are a few exceptions. Most fantasy drafts we hold around here allow corner outfielders to switch spots and centerfielders to play anywhere in the outfield. Some drafts also allow SS to play 2B.

I'd also like to know about this. What are the limits to how we can move players around? What determines a player's eligibility for a position?

[USAF1]

Good question. I was actually thinking about that over the last 2 days.

Heres what i came up with.

1.Players must have played at least 500 games at a postition (basically 3 years).

2.However, if a player was an outfielder you may use him at any of the 3 postions regardless of games played.

-I dont want to see any, "well he played 100 games out of a 18 year career at 3B so thats where i want to put him" type thing.

You guys definately seem like you know how to reason but thanks for formally bringing this matter up.

Thanks
USAF1

[Westlake]

I'm against having any outfielder being able to fill a CF spot. There are some outfielder that just could not be CFers.

[USAF1]

I'm against having any outfielder being able to fill a CF spot. There are some outfielder that just could not be CFers.

Ok, i was willing to let that slide because outfield is a more interchangable position but how about CF must have been the primary position for a player?

[USAF1]

Also remember there is NO DH in this league

[USAF1]

OK ive decided to put the clock on during the weekends.

Disgruntled has missed 2 picks already and i dont you guys that have made picks on time to get upset about waiting. So we'll run the 10-10 clock during weekends as well...

thanks
usaf1

[Westlake]

OK ive decided to put the clock on during the weekends.

Disgruntled has missed 2 picks already and i dont you guys that have made picks on time to get upset about waiting. So we'll run the 10-10 clock during weekends as well...

thanks
usaf1

Thanks USAF. :applaud:

[Wade8813]

I have no problem with the rule change, although for future reference, you should probably announce that you're going to change the rule, then give everyone some time to see it before you implement it.

[Minstrel]

OK ive decided to put the clock on during the weekends.

Disgruntled has missed 2 picks already and i dont you guys that have made picks on time to get upset about waiting. So we'll run the 10-10 clock during weekends as well...

Good change, thanks.

[Windy City Fan]

We're getting ready to start the 10th round, and I was wondering who you guys thought were some of the biggest steals of the draft thus far. A few stuck out to me ...

Hoyt Wilhelm. He was drafted in the 9th, which is when closers usually start to go, but four other closers had been taken ahead of him (Rivera, Sutter, Hoffman, Wagner). I consider Wilhelm to be the top reliver on the board. Rivera has a case, but Hoyt is almost a bullpen unto himself.

Johnny Bench/Yogi Berra. These guys are the concensus 1 and 2 guys at their position. Most people just argue over the order, and they were 3rd and 4th taken at their position. I was shocked when Piazza and Rodriguez went ahead fo them. Berra sliding two rounds after the initial catcher run surprised me even more.

Tom Seaver. Seaver is a top ten pitcher (7th all time in my book) who fell to the 15th pitcher taken overall.

[Westlake]

Steals..

Mantle going 20th.
Cy Young going after Bob Gibson.
Speaker going 27th, A-Rod going 28th, Musial going 29th.
Berra in the 8th round (59th overall)
Mathews going 67th.

All of these were great picks, I was surprised to see them available so late.