2007 Rangers Season Thread

[Mattingly]

Please discuss anything about the Rangers' 2007 season here.

Thx. :)

Stickying.

[bailiff]

As much as I ike the Rangers, they will probably stink again.

[mojorisin71]

At least they dumped the Ameriquest Field part from the name of The Ballpark.

[mojorisin71]

Gagne might make his Rangers debut tonight.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Hmmm...I wonder if Blalock will ever hit like he used to?

Because he's just God-awful right now.

[TheKingofKings]

Hmmm...I wonder if Blalock will ever hit like he used to?

Because he's just God-awful right now.

He's hitting decently at .292 but his power is practically gone, he should hit 15 home runs this season.

[TheKingofKings]

WP: John Lackey (5-3)
LP: Vincente Padilla (1-5)

Top 3 Performers:

3. Vincente Padilla (7.0 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 3 SO)
2. Michael Young (2-4, 2B, RBI)
1. Sammy Sosa (1-3, HR, 2 RBI)

Michael Young hit his 11th double of the season, tied for 18th in the league.
With his 66th career loss, Vincente Padilla is only one game over .500 in his career.
Sammy Sosa only needs 4 HR to reach 600.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

He's hitting decently at .292 but his power is practically gone, he should hit 15 home runs this season.

He's not getting bick bucks to hit for contact.


And I doubt that .292 will last, just wait till he hits a rock in the road.

[TheKingofKings]

I think he'll end up around .270/15/60. He's only being paid an amount of 4.75 M, which is average for an American League Third-Baseman.

[gambler21777]

I think the rangers have bad luck. It seems that every time somebody gets hot he goes on the dl. Take Hank for example he was gettin hot then BOOM he's out for 3 months. But I'm not using that as an exuse for there terrible season.

[TheJourneyman]

I think the rangers have bad luck. It seems that every time somebody gets hot he goes on the dl. Take Hank for example he was gettin hot then BOOM he's out for 3 months. But I'm not using that as an exuse for there terrible season.

I think Hank saw where the season was going and decided to take advantage of goign on the DL. Tom Hicks has run this team into the ground and will continue to do so.

[gambler21777]

right now the Rangers are putting me down. But true Ranger fans are pretty loyal. Other than Redsox and Yankes games were every Ranger hit only 1/5 of the fans are cheering. The rangers need to step up. They need to get good starting pitching and good defense every thing else is there.

[TheJourneyman]

right now the Rangers are putting me down. But true Ranger fans are pretty loyal. Other than Redsox and Yankes games were every Ranger hit only 1/5 of the fans are cheering. The rangers need to step up. They need to get good starting pitching and good defense every thing else is there.

their offense is overrated.

A. they are in the middle of the pack anyway and
B. they tend to score in bunches, putting up numbers that are kinda meaningless

[randy]

...and, might I also add, they seldom score early, usually late, Makes it look better, like their offense is fine, but a "great" offense does not struggle as often as they do.

[TheJourneyman]

...and, might I also add, they seldom score early, usually late, Makes it look better, like their offense is fine, but a "great" offense does not struggle as often as they do.

That's a good point. I don't know exact numbers but I think it was Norm talking the other day on the ticket about how they are outscored in the first 2 innings by a large margin.

Tuesday night was a great example of their season. Get down 3-0 after 1 inning. Down 6-0 before we score and then score 5 runs late in the game and still never really threaten to win.

[Texas Rangers]

oh yeah, i heard how they were outscored some 60-20 int he first inning, roughly. jaramillo is a little overrated as well.

[Imgran]

Kason gets out of a huge jam in the 4th but is spinning a very nice game now he's out of it. He asks a lot from his D but when he can get it, he's a master escape artist.

[deftones999us]

Since Murphy is still considered a Rookie because of his lack of AB's, from how he has played.. he could be a front runner for rookie of the year, and if Gabbard wins 15 games.. it's really going to look bad for the Sox

[Imgran]

It already does. Gagne was a huge negative to the team when he got here and to see every piece that we sent to Texas performing brilliantly is just extra humiliation.

BTW -- in order to win 15 Gabbard has to stay on the field. That's been a problem for him.

And I agree about Murph and RoTY. If he can grab some consistent playing time it's a distinct possibility. He's been very consistent as an excellent contact hitter so far in his short major league career.

[deftones999us]

well it's not like the guy has been in the majors for you guys.. look at your starting rotation.. josh beckett, schilling.. wakefield.. now even buchholz.. who has a no hitter under his belt already.. and matsuzaka.. man has he even had a chance to pitch?

[Texas Rangers]

I think it's time to update this to the 2008 season!

[TheJourneyman]

I think it's time to update this to the 2008 season!

can we just move onto 2009?

[deftones999us]

can we just move onto 2009?

that would be too easy, we have to go through the suffering first

[deftones999us]

besides that is the texas ranger tradition.. wouldn't want to miss out on that

[RoyalRooter]

I found a great article about Nolan Ryan not being as good as we thought.

Here's the site: http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=41

[Captain Cold Nose]

I found a great article about Nolan Ryan not being as good as we thought.

Here's the site: http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=41

What does that have to do with the 2007 team?

[TheJourneyman]

I found a great article about Nolan Ryan not being as good as we thought.

Here's the site: http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=41

Like CCN said - what does this have to do with '07?

Plus there isn't anything in that article that hasn't been talked about already. How does it now all of a sudden shed light on things to make Nolan out to be not as good as everyone has thought all along? Nothing in that article was ground breaking new stuff.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Like CCN said - what does this have to do with '07?

Plus there isn't anything in that article that hasn't been talked about already. How does it now all of a sudden shed light on things to make Nolan out to be not as good as everyone has thought all along? Nothing in that article was ground breaking new stuff.

Well, one of the people commenting on the article said Ryan pretty much flew under the radar in terms of press attention except for his cattle punching of Ventura. I can't think of too many players who received more exposure than Ryan once he started throwing those no-hitters with California. And he was everywhere when he was with Texas, so many commercials and products and being elevated to absolute greatness in the eyes of the everyday Joe fan. Years after he retired people were still mentioning him as the fastest thrower in baseball (heard that in a Pat O'Brien Top 40 countdown show).

That was enlightening. The article, though, not for this place anyway.

[TheJourneyman]

Well, one of the people commenting on the article said Ryan pretty much flew under the radar in terms of press attention except for his cattle punching of Ventura. I can't think of too many players who received more exposure than Ryan once he started throwing those no-hitters with California. And he was everywhere when he was with Texas, so many commercials and products and being elevated to absolute greatness in the eyes of the everyday Joe fan. Years after he retired people were still mentioning him as the fastest thrower in baseball (heard that in a Pat O'Brien Top 40 countdown show).

That was enlightening. The article, though, not for this place anyway.

There have been so many articles like it in the past though. When he was up for the HOF there were many writing articles about why and bringing up some of the same things in that article. Just seems like old news but maybe not to others in other parts of the US. I grew up in Texas so I got to hear both sides of it.

[RoyalRooter]

Alright then, for a story about the 2008 Rangers, check this out:

http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=48

[TheJourneyman]

Alright then, for a story about the 2008 Rangers, check this out:

http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=48

Would you happen to be Benjamin Edwards?

[dgd0007]

If your interested in how the rangers minor league system works, check this out.....

http://thelebsports.com/baseball/the-minor-league-journey/741

[deftones999us]

Alright then, for a story about the 2008 Rangers, check this out:

http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=48

"Every year, I have a running bet with my brother where I will pay him one dollar for every game the Rangers are over .500.
I have yet to pay a dime."

The Ranger won several games while being over .500 this season plus in addition to the 16 games over .500 in 2004.. you remember that season? or where you too glued into the Red Sox.. I hate people who talk all this crap.. and don't deal with it they just jump a wagon just cause they think they are from Boston just cause they like a teams history.. If any team has a good history it is the Yankees.. of course i'm not going to start watching Yankee games and talk about how the owner Tom Hicks has no "Loyalty".. As a matter of fact, i dislike the Red Sox and Yankees..
Tell me your the guy that comes to the ballpark sporting all your Red Sox gear.. And you want to have the balls to talk about loyalty.

"My Red Sox didn’t win a thing until we got the right management team and maybe it will take a severe loss in revenue to get Hicks out of town." Your Red Sox? Since what? 2004?

"It’s time to spend the money for some pitching. Pay Johan Santana 25 million dollars a year to come here. Maybe then, the interest from other pitchers will raise." 25 million? for a non-position player? so so stupid....

"Remember guys, I’m a Sox fan. I remember losing 19-8 in game 3 against the yanks in ‘04. We were done. It was over. And you know what?"

No disrespect, but Red Sox fans are more cockier than any Yankee fan i have ever met in my life.. every time the Sox beat the Rangers.. i gotta receive 500 emails from the 500 bandwagon jumpers who think that they live in Red Sox tradition.. just for a perspective..

I do not know 1 true Yankee fan in person right now.. cause no one has ever talked about it.. even when the yankees went last to the world series...

Since 2004.. Almost every person i meet it seems is a Red Sox fan..

Cause 1 Sox fan hoovering around me is so outspoken about the way the game should be played.. and talking about loyalty.. if this guy was such a loyal "fan" he would write about the Red Sox..

[RoyalRooter]

Every game over .500 at the end of they year.
I've been a Sox fan since '97.
I do have the balls to talk about loyalty SINCE I come to the Rangers ballpark dressed in Sox gear.

"My Red Sox didn’t win a thing until we got the right management team and maybe it will take a severe loss in revenue to get Hicks out of town." Your Red Sox? Since what? 2004?

Yeah. Since 2004.

"It’s time to spend the money for some pitching. Pay Johan Santana 25 million dollars a year to come here. Maybe then, the interest from other pitchers will raise." 25 million? for a non-position player? so so stupid....


Do you have any other strategies on how the Rangers can get pitching?

"but Red Sox fans are more cockier than any Yankee fan"

More Cockier? More Cockier???

How am I supposed to take you seriously?

By the way, nice RED SOX quote at the end of your article.
Also, How are the Rangers doing these days?....

[deftones999us]

"I do have the balls to talk about loyalty SINCE I come to the Rangers ballpark dressed in Sox gear."

Yes, you do.. along with 99% of the attendance.. good job

"Do you have any other strategies on how the Rangers can get pitching?"

Yes.. fire AA baseball pitching coaches.. cause everything has passed through right under their noses..

"Also, How are the Rangers doing these days?...." <<<< cockiness


but that's ok, i can wait 70 years for a worlds series ring :)

[TheJourneyman]

Alright then, for a story about the 2008 Rangers, check this out:

http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=48

I had no interest reading another one of your articles until you and deftones sorta got into it.

I want to get something str8.....you want the fans to stop coming to games and you want Hicks to spend $25mil on a Santana-like pitcher? That was what I got out of that article and I gotta say, it doesn't make much since. You seem to be bashing the fans which isn't going to win you any allies here. You blame the fans for supporting a team, then you say its nice to see such devotion. Which is it? I think you need to make a stand on one side of the fence.

And I have to agree with deftones on this one - Red Sox fans are way more cockier right now than yankee fans. It's all about who is winning. I have never seen so many Red Sox bandwagon fans before. I like them - mainly because I hate the yankees but I refuse to go out in any redsox gear (hat or whatever and yes I am older and have rooted for them vs the yanks longer than you) because i don't want to be lumped in with the idiots who only know a winner. But I will always be a devoted Ranger fan first.

Having balls is not going to a game at the Ballpark in Red Sox gear when they are winning like this but going when they aren't and the opposing team is. It's not like there is this long hatred built up between the two teams through a huge rivalry. Going somewhere like to an Eagles game and wearing Cowboys gear might be showing some balls. :eek:

When deftones questions the paying for pitching part you ask him how else to do it. Maybe you should reread your own article since the answer was there to begin with as def pointed out.

edit: oh and you do realize that if "most" teams had pitching they would win? It is not only the Rangers who say this and believe it or not the hitting wasn't as good as the numbers showed over the past few years.

[RoyalRooter]

Most teams do have at least SOME quality pitching. The Rangers do not. The fans should show devotion only once Hicks begins making smart decisions.

I don't know how much more clear I can be about it. Paying someone like Santana 25m to come here will make the team better, bring fans in and hopefully give other good pitchers around the league some incentive to choose Texas when they become free agents.

Look, liking a team that does their best, gives 100%, and loses is the right thing to do. When they win, it's great. But giving our money to an owner who puts a bad team on the field year after year after year and can't make quality baseball decisions is ridiculous and the Rangers fans who put up with it should be ashamed.

By telling me that "the hitting wasn't as good as the numbers say" only tells me that the Rangers were even worse than I thought.

Hicks does what it takes to steal your money every year. You let him do it.

What else is there to say?

Also for the second time now, "MORE COCKIER" is NOT correct english!!!

You sound like an idiot!

[TheJourneyman]

Most teams do have at least SOME quality pitching. The Rangers do not. The fans should show devotion only once Hicks begins making smart decisions.

I don't know how much more clear I can be about it. Paying someone like Santana 25m to come here will make the team better, bring fans in and hopefully give other good pitchers around the league some incentive to choose Texas when they become free agents.

Look, liking a team that does their best, gives 100%, and loses is the right thing to do. When they win, it's great. But giving our money to an owner who puts a bad team on the field year after year after year and can't make quality baseball decisions is ridiculous and the Rangers fans who put up with it should be ashamed.

By telling me that "the hitting wasn't as good as the numbers say" only tells me that the Rangers were even worse than I thought.

Hicks does what it takes to steal your money every year. You let him do it.

What else is there to say?

Also for the second time now, "MORE COCKIER" is NOT correct english!!!

You sound like an idiot!

Yep I am the idiot. :dance

So let me get this str8. I should not support the Rangers because Hicks is a moron even though the players give 100% (which apparently I should be supporting according to you) doesn't make sense. Do I support the players or boycot Hicks? You either need to say don't support them at all or support them, not both.

By telling you the hitting isn't as good as you thought only shows how little you in fact know. What else is there to say about that.

Paying 1 big pitcher will only do 1 thing - raise ticket prices. It will not improve the team enough to make them a contender. That has to come from the farm system where they are doing a poor job. You even said this in your article but you seem to be forgetting it in favor of your Santana argument. And this is a way to bring the fans in that you don't want to show up to the games now right? Note to self - don't go to another Ranger game till we have a $25mil pitcher. Thanks I think I got it.

Now you are telling us our fans should be ashamed. Wow not that is MORE COCKIER than before. :banghead::dance:banghead::dance:banghead::dance

I am glad I read this thread. I was bored and you have provided me with entertainment with your rationale. :dance

Can I ask you what your idea of quality pitching is? Do our pitchers just need to be MORE COCKIER? Would that help?

Confused Fan :rofl:

[TheJourneyman]

Alright then, for a story about the 2008 Rangers, check this out:

http://www.studyofsports.com/?p=48

was this just another article you "found" like the Nolan Ryan article. :rofl:

I seriously have to thank you for entertaining me today. I am bored and have an hour to waste till Alabama/Clemson comes on. So Thanks. :highfive:

BTW if we should be ashamed as Ranger fans how bad should Pirates, Nats, Giants, Mariners, and Orioles fans feel? They are worse than we are and have been for some time.

[deftones999us]

more cockier is just slang, i have something more than a 5th grade education.. just hoping you would catch my drift

[deftones999us]

I'm not going to say i like Tom Hicks.. cause i don't.. at all, and never will.
I think he should stick to hockey.. i don't think he is doing his best with the team.. but he has been screwed over a couple times on contracts.. "CHAN HO PARK" .. and it is looking that Millwood is not worth what he was paid.. althought he has pitched well of late..
But even i am convinced that overpaying for "seasoned talent" is not the answer.. You can buy a couple seasoned pitchers.. for half the price and not take the risk on injuries.. and i wanna throw names like Aaron Sele, Rick Helling, Kenny Rogers, even for a short time and he is just an idiot.. Sidney Ponson.. He was one of the big reasons we turned the season around in May..
They don't need to be 25 mil/year just need to be healthy and able to pitch some innnings.. i am convinced 4.50 era is good enough to win 15-20 games here..

Now back to Tom Hicks.. i'm not going to disown the team.. cause i have watched them play since i was around 5 and i have never really enjoyed ownership in that whole time..
I feel that there is going to be some FA pickups this off season.. maybe 1 big name.. since we did not do anything last year.. mostly cause the lack of names out there on the market.

but with the players now.. things are looking good in the future. just motivation is what they need..

[RoyalRooter]

Deftones, I agree that the Rangers are looking better for next season. In all honesty, I don't think the Rangers should drop 25m on a pitcher. I just think that we have tried every way under the sun to find AND KEEP good pitchiong and nothing has worked. Overpay for an ace if you have to. And by ace, I don't mean Kenny Rogers or Kevin Millwood, I mean a legitimate ace. I know it's only one player but you have to start somewhere. Don't stop rooting for the players, just stop buying the product.

[philkid3]

Should a thread about the 2007 season still be stickied? :laugh