Albright's 5/5 - 5/25/2007 BBF HOF voting guide

[jalbright]

The order of posts will be:
1. Index
2. The Rules
3. BBF HOF inductees by category
4. Alphabetic listing of BBF HOF inductees
5. Player ballot results
6. Voters' guide
7. Review of players with 50% or more of vote last month
8. New players on my ballot
9. Negro Leaguer players on my ballot
10. 19th century players on my ballot
11. Japanese players on my ballot
12. position players other than OF on my ballot
13. outfielders and pitchers on my ballot
14. Transition to players not on ballot but in my queues
15. Negro League players not on ballot but in queue/tough cases from those leagues
16. 19th century players not on ballot
17. Japanese players not on ballot
18. MLB position players other than OF not on ballot but in queue
19. MLB pitchers and OF not on ballot but in queue
20. Tough cases among MLB players from 1900 on
21. Prominent Negro League players I'm not likely to support
22. Prominent MLB players I'm not likely to support

Comments and discussion are welcome after I've got this structure up.

[jalbright]

Welcome to the Baseball Fever Hall of Fame

The Baseball Fever Hall of Fame (BBFHoF) was established to honor the greatest players and contributors in baseball history. We seek to match our wits against those of the National Hall of Fame in Cooperstown by comparing and contrasting our selections to their own. Our elections are held every three weeks.

All voters are welcome, however, prospective voters should first read our rules (in this post) and must agree to observe them.

The idea of this project has always been that each member will cast his or her own individual ballot without creating voting blocs a la "Survivor". If I become aware of violations of this concept, they will be dealt with. Toward that end, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance, or only the first vote will be counted. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, like the Chancellor and the Wizard, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same.

There is only one election which occurs monthly at this point: for players who meet at least one of the following criteria: a) are not on the 40 man roster or DL in the most recent season, b) officially retired (or died) by November 1 of the last completed season, c) are over 40 and haven't played in the majors in the most recent completed season. There is an election for contributors to the game, who are either retired or at least 60 years of age, but that election is now held only once a year, in November. Ballots must be posted in the monthly voting thread by the end of the voting cycle and adhere to the rules below in order to be counted. I will post the last day of the voting cycle in the post beginning each voting cycle. Also, I reserve the right to reject ballots which do not alphabetize the listing of candidates. The process of counting the votes is hard enough, and my spreadsheet is set up to take advantage of the tradition of alphabetized ballots.

Players from and contributors to the major, negro and japanese leagues are eligible for consideration. For clarity, I consider the following leagues part of the "negro leagues": the US American Leagues, Cuban Winter Leauge to 1950, Mexican League to 1950, Puerto Rican Winter League to 1950, the 1937 Dominican League and the California Winter League. Once inducted as either a player or contributor, an individual is no longer eligible for consideration in the other capacity. Players are to be considered based on their performance and its impact on their teams. Contributors are to be considered for the quality and impact of their contribution to their teams and/or the sport in general. (This may include a contributor's playing career.)

A Players Ballot should list the 25 most deserving candidates (until we have elected at least 90% of the number of players in Cooperstown.) A Contributors Ballot should list up to the 15 most deserving candidates. When shorter ballots are permitted, the minimum number of candidates will be the number which, when added to the number elected to the BBF HOF brings us equal to the to the number of contributors or players (depending on the category in question). When new minimum vote numbers apply, they will be posted. When we get to the point where the minimum vote is zero (as with the contributor ballot), a voter may submit a ballot indicating " I do not believe there are any qualified (player/contributor) candidates".

We have now reached the point where a ballot of as few as zero (0) names is acceptable on the contributor side.

Please note that once a person is elected either as a contributor or as a player, he is no longer eligible to receive votes in either category.

At the conclusion of each election (11:59:59 PM Eastern US time on the date specified in the first post of each voting thread), the votes will be tabulated and any candidate named on the greater of nine or 75% or more of the valid ballots in a given category (player or contributor) will be inducted that month.

You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the ballot is open. However, I request that you PM me (jalbright) to ensure that I am aware of the change. It would be most helpful if you could tell me who was added and/or subtracted from your ballot. I cannot agree to be responsible for monitoring the thread for any changes voters might make. If I catch them, fine, but if I don't and am not notified, the official count will be what I have been notified of, not what is on the thread.

This project is winding down, and we have rules with respect how many players we must elect in a period of time and the minimum number of participants in order to keep the project going. In terms of the number of voters, if we fail to get at least 12 voters in any two out of three voting cycles, this project will immediately go to an annual only mode, with voting in November. There is a point system for determining the minimum number of elected players to keep the project from going to a November only status. It is as follows: 1 point if we elect a player in a given voting cycle, plus two points for every player elected during that cycle. The total will be run for each of the past four voting cycles, and if we've got eight points or more, we continue as before. An example may clarify:

this June, we elected three players for 7 points (1 for the cycle, two each for the players)
in July, we elected three players for 7 points
in August, we elected no one for 0 points
in September, we elected no one for 0 points

So we had 14 points going into this month, well above the minimum of 8. However, in this month, if we don't elect anyone, we'd have 0 more points, and less than the 8 needed.

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Also, it is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists

Feel free to ask questions by either sending jalbright a PM, or by posting a question in this or the BBF HOF discussion thread.

[jalbright]

Baseball Fever Hall of Fame Membership by category

197 players inducted (87% of Cooperstown's 227)
58 contributors inducted (over 100% of Cooperstown's 53)

Pitchers
Pete Alexander, Bert Blyleven, Mordecai Brown, Raymond Brown, Steve Carlton, John Clarkson, Stan Coveleski, Dizzy Dean, Don Drysdale, Dennis Eckersley, Bob Feller, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford, Bill Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson, Goose Gossage, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Ferguson Jenkins, Walter Johnson, Masaichi Kaneda, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Hal Newhouser, Kid Nichols, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige, Jim Palmer, Gaylord Perry, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Cannonball Dick Redding, Robin Roberts, Joe Rogan, Amos Rusie, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Warren Spahn, Don Sutton, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Hoyt Wilhelm, Joe Williams, Early Wynn, Cy Young

Catchers
Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella, Gary Carter, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing, Carlton Fisk, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Biz Mackey, Katsuya Nomura, Louis Santop, Ted Simmons, Deacon White

First Basemen
Dick Allen, Cap Anson, Dan Brouthers, Roger Connor, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Buck Leonard, Willie McCovey, Mark McGwire, Johnny Mize, Eddie Murray, Sadaharu Oh, George Sisler, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry

Second Basemen
Roberto Alomar, Rod Carew, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Gordon, Bobby Grich, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lajoie, Joe Morgan, Jackie Robinson, Ryne Sandberg

Third Basemen
Frank Baker, Wade Boggs, George Brett, Jimmy Collins, Ray Dandridge, Stan Hack, Harmon Killebrew, Eddie Mathews, Paul Molitor, Shigeo Nagashima, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo, Mike Schmidt, Pie Traynor, Jud Wilson

Shortstops
Luke Appling, Ernie Banks, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Barry Larkin, Pop Lloyd, Pee Wee Reese, Cal Ripken Jr., Ozzie Smith, Alan Trammell, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Willie Wells, George Wright, Robin Yount

Left Fielders
Albert Belle, Lou Brock, Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Isao Harimoto, Rickey Henderson, Monte Irvin, Joe Jackson, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Jim O'Rourke, Tim Raines, Al Simmons, Willie Stargell, Harry Stovey, Zach Wheat, Billy Williams, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski

Center Fielders
Richie Ashburn, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard Brown, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Larry Doby, Hugh Duffy, Billy Hamilton, Paul Hines, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Dale Murphy, Kirby Puckett, Duke Snider, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes

Right Fielders
Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Sam Crawford, Andre Dawson, Martin Dihigo, Elmer Flick,Tony Gwynn, Harry Heilmann, Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, Willie Keeler, King Kelly, Mel Ott, Dave Parker, Frank Robinson, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth, Enos Slaughter, Sam Thompson, Christobal Torriente, Paul Waner, Dave Winfield

Managers
Walter Alston, Sparky Anderson, Frank Chance, Bobby Cox, Leo Durocher, Ned Hanlon, Whitey Herzog, Miller Huggins, Hughie Jennings, Tetsuharu Kawakami, Tony LaRussa, Tommy Lasorda, Al Lopez, Connie Mack, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Bill McKechnie, Frank Selee, Billy Southworth, Casey Stengel, C. I. Taylor, Joe Torre, Earl Weaver, Dick Williams

Executives
Ed Barrow, Charles Comiskey, Clark Griffith, William Hulbert, Ban Johnson, Kenesaw M. Landis, Larry MacPhail, Walter O'Malley, Cum Posey, Branch Rickey, Albert Spalding, Bill Veeck, George Weiss, J.L. Wilkinson

Pioneers
Doc Adams, Sy Berger, Alexander Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Charles Conlon, Rube Foster, Marvin Miller, Buck O'Neill, John Montgomery Ward, Harry Wright

Broadcasters
Mel Allen, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Vin Scully

Writers
Bill James, Francis Richter, J.G. Taylor Spink

Umpires
Tom Connolly, Bill Klem

[jalbright]

Alphabetical list of elected players and contributors:


Player pos … Contributor
Aaron of … Adams, Doc
Alexander pos … Allen, Mel
Allen 1b … Alston, Walter
Alomar 2b … Anderson, Sparky
Anson 1b … Barber, Red
Appling ss … Barrow, Ed
Ashburn of … Berger, Sy
Averill of … Cartwright, Alexander
Baker 3b … Chadwick, Henry
Banks ss … Chance, Frank
CP Bell of … Commiskey, Charlie
Belle of … Conlon, Charles
Bench c … Connolly, Tom
Berra c … Cox, Bobby
Blyleven p … Dunn, Jack
Boggs 3b … Durocher, Leo
Boudreau ss … Foster, Rube
Brett 3b … Griffith, Clark
Brock of … Hanlon, Ned
Brouthers 1b … Harwell, Ernie
3 Brown p … Herzog, Whitey
R. Brown p … Huggins, Miller
W Brown of Hulbert, Wiliiam
Burkett of … James, Bill
Campanellla c … Jennings, Hughie
Carew 2b ….. Johnson, Ban
Carey of … Kawakami, Tetsuharu
Carlton p … Klem, Bill
G. Carter c … Landis, Kennesaw
Charleston of … LaRussa, Tony
Clarke of … Lasorda, Tommy
Clarkson p … Lopez, Al
Clemente of … Mack, Connie
Cobb of … MacPhail. Larry
Cochrane c … McCarthy, Joe
E. Collins 2b … McGraw, John
J. Collins 3b … McKechnie, Bill
Connor 1b … Miller, Marvin
Coveleski p … O'Malley, Walter
Crawford of … O'Neill, Buck
Cronin ss … Posey, Cum
Dahlen ss … Richter, Francis
Dandridge 3b … Rickey, Branch
G. Davis ss … Scully, Vin
Dawson of … Selee, Frank
Dean p … Southworth, Billy
Delahanty of … Spalding, Albert
Dickey c … Spink, J. G. Taylo
Dihigo 2b … Stengel, Casey
J. DiMaggio of … Taylor, C. I.
Doby of ….. Torre, Joe
Doerr 2b … Veeck, Bill
Drysdale p … Ward, Monte
Duffy of Weaver, Earl
Eckersley p … Weiss, George
Ewing c … Wilkinson, J. L.
Feller p … Williams, Dick
Ferrell p … Wright, Harry
Fingers p …
Fisk c …..
Flick of …
Ford p …
W. Foster p …
Fox 2b
Foxx 1b …
Freehan c …
Frisch 2b …
Galvin p …
Gehrig 1b …
Gehringer 2b …
B. Gibson p …
J. Gibson c …
Gordon 2b …
Goslin of …
Gossage p …
Greenberg 1b …
Grich 2b …
Grove p …
Gwynn of …
Hack 3b …
Hamilton of …
Harimoto of …
Hartnett c …
Heilmann of …
R Henderson of …
Herman 2b …
Hines of …
Hornsby 2b …
Hubbell p …
Irvin of …
J. Jackson of …
R Jackson of …
Jenkins p …
W. Johnson p …
Kaline of …
Kaneda p …
Keefe p …
Keeler of …
K Kelly of …
Killebrew 3b …
Kiner of …
Koufax p …
LaJoie 2b …
Larkin ss …
Lemon p …
Leonard 1b …
Lloyd ss …
Lyons p …
Mackey c …
Magee of …
Mantle of …
Marichal p …
Mathews 3b …
Mathewson p …
W. Mays of …
McCovey 1b …
McGinnity p …
McGwire 1b …
Medwick of …
Minoso of …
Mize 1b …
Molitor 3b …
Morgan 2b …
Murphy, Dale of …
Murray 1b …
Musial of …
Nagashima 3b …
Newhouser p …
Nichols p …
Niekro p …
Nomura c …
Oh 1b …
O'Rourke of …
Ott of …
Paige p …
Palmer p …
Parker of …
G. Perry p ….
Plank p …
Puckett of …
Radbourn p …
Raines of …
Redding p …
Reese ss …
Ripken ss …
Roberts p …
B. Robinson 3b …
F. Robinson of …
J. Robinson 2b …
Rogan p …
Rose of …
Rusie p …
Ruth of …
Ryan p …
Sandberg 2b …
Santo 3b …
Santop c …
Schmidt 3b …
Seaver p …
A. Simmons of …
T Simmons c …
Sisler 1b …
Slaughter of …
O. Smith ss …
Snider of …
Spahn p …
Speaker of ….
Stargell of …
Stearnes of …
Stovey of …
Suttles 1b …
Sutton p …
Terry 1b …
Thompson of …
Torriente of …
Trammell ss …
Traynor 3b …
Vance p …
Vaughan ss …
Waddell p …
Wagner ss …
Walsh p …
P Waner of …
Wells ss …
Wheat of …
D. White 3b …
Wilhelm p …..
B. Williams of …
J Williams p …
T Williams of …
J. Wilson 3b …
Winfield of
Wright, G ss
E. Wynn p
Yaz of
Young p
Yount ss

[jalbright]

Here are the complete player voting results for the election ending May 4 (13 votes cast):


Name ......votes pct Name ........votes pct
Bunning, Jim 9 69.2 Aparicio, Luis 6 46.2
Cepeda, Orlando 9 69.2 Bando, Sal 1 7.7
Mays, Carl 9 69.2 Baines, Harold 1 7.7
Whitaker, Lou 9 69.2 Barnes, Ross 6 46.2
Clark, Will 8 61.5 Beckley, Jake 6 46.2
Groh, Heinie 8 61.5 Beckwith, John 7 53.8
Mendez, Jose 8 61.5 Bender, Chief 1 7.7
Beckwith, John 7 53.8 Bennett, Charlie 4 30.8
Gore, George 7 53.8 Bessho, Akira 2 15.4
Rice, Sam 7 53.8 Bonds, Bobby 3 23.1
Starffin, Victor 7 53.8 Bottomley, Jim 2 15.4
Aparicio, Luis 6 46.2 Boyer, Ken 6 46.2
Barnes, Ross 6 46.2 Bresnahan, Roger 2 15.4
Beckley, Jake 6 46.2 Browning, Pete 5 38.5
Boyer, Ken 6 46.2 Bunning, Jim 9 69.2
Hill, Pete 6 46.2 Canseco, Jose 1 7.7
Joss, Addie 6 46.2 Caruthers, Bob 3 23.1
Kelley, Joe 6 46.2 Cash, Norm 1 7.7
Klein, Chuck 6 46.2 Cepeda, Orlando 9 69.2
Palmeiro, Rafael 6 46.2 Cepeda, Perucho 2 15.4
Roush, Edd 6 46.2 Chesbro, Jack 1 7.7
Browning, Pete 5 38.5 Clark, Will 8 61.5
Grant, Frank 5 38.5 Combs, Earle 1 7.7
Inao, Kazuhisa 5 38.5 Cravath, Gavvy 2 15.4
McGriff, Fred 5 38.5 Cuyler, Kiki 2 15.4
Quisenberry, Dan 5 38.5 Davis, Chili 1 7.7
Rice, Jim 5 38.5 Day, Leon 1 7.7
Sutter, Bruce 5 38.5 Doyle, Larry 2 15.4
Wallace, Bobby 5 38.5 Evans, Darrell 3 23.1
Bennett, Charlie 4 30.8 Evans, Dwight 4 30.8
Evans, Dwight 4 30.8 Faber, Red 1 7.7
Gomez, Lefty 4 30.8 Galarraga, Andres 1 7.7
Hernandez, Keith 4 30.8 Glasscock, Jack 3 23.1
Martinez, Edgar 4 30.8 Gomez, Lefty 4 30.8
Ruffing, Red 4 30.8 Gore, George 7 53.8
Ryan, Jimmy 4 30.8 Grant, Frank 5 38.5
Walker, Larry 4 30.8 Grimes, Burleigh 3 23.1
Welch, Mickey 4 30.8 Groh, Heinie 8 61.5
Bonds, Bobby 3 23.1 Hernandez, Keith 4 30.8
Caruthers, Bob 3 23.1 Hill, Pete 6 46.2
Evans, Darrell 3 23.1 Hooper, Harry 1 7.7
Glasscock, Jack 3 23.1 Hunter, Catfish 1 7.7
Grimes, Burleigh 3 23.1 Inao, Kazuhisa 5 38.5
Manush, Heinie 3 23.1 Johnson, Bob 2 15.4
Moore, Dobie 3 23.1 Johnson, Home Run 2 15.4
Sewell, Joe 3 23.1 Joss, Addie 6 46.2
Wynn, Jimmy 3 23.1 Kelley, Joe 6 46.2
Bessho, Akira 2 15.4 Kingman, Dave 1 7.7
Bottomley, Jim 2 15.4 Klein, Chuck 6 46.2
Bresnahan, Roger 2 15.4 Leach, Toimmy 1 7.7
Cepeda, Perucho 2 15.4 Lindstrom, Freddie 1 7.7
Cravath, Gavvy 2 15.4 Manush, Heinie 3 23.1
Cuyler, Kiki 2 15.4 Maranville, Rabbit 1 7.7
Doyle, Larry 2 15.4 Marquard, Rube 1 7.7
Johnson, Bob 2 15.4 Martinez, Edgar 4 30.8
Johnson, Home Run 2 15.4 Mathews, Bobby 1 7.7
McPhee, Bid 2 15.4 Mays, Carl 9 69.2
Ochiai, Hiromitsu 2 15.4 McCormick, Jim 1 7.7
Perez, Tony 2 15.4 McGriff, Fred 5 38.5
Poles, Spotswood 2 15.4 McPhee, Bid 2 15.4
Rixey, Eppa 2 15.4 McVey, Cal 1 7.7
Smith, Hilton 2 15.4 Mendez, Jose 8 61.5
Smith, Lee 2 15.4 Moore, Dobie 3 23.1
Van Haltren, George 2 15.4 Nettles, Graig 1 7.7
Wilson, Hack 2 15.4 Ochiai, Hiromitsu 2 15.4
Bando, Sal 1 7.7 Olerud, John 1 7.7
Baines, Harold 1 7.7 Oliva, Tony 1 7.7
Bender, Chief 1 7.7 Oliver, Al 1 7.7
Canseco, Jose 1 7.7 Palmeiro, Rafael 6 46.2
Cash, Norm 1 7.7 Pearce, Dickey 1 7.7
Chesbro, Jack 1 7.7 Perez, Tony 2 15.4
Combs, Earle 1 7.7 Pinson, Vada 1 7.7
Davis, Chili 1 7.7 Poles, Spotswood 2 15.4
Day, Leon 1 7.7 Quisenberry, Dan 5 38.5
Faber, Red 1 7.7 Rice, Jim 5 38.5
Galarraga, Andres 1 7.7 Rice, Sam 7 53.8
Hooper, Harry 1 7.7 Rixey, Eppa 2 15.4
Hunter, Catfish 1 7.7 Rosen, Al 1 7.7
Kingman, Dave 1 7.7 Roush, Edd 6 46.2
Leach, Toimmy 1 7.7 Ruffing, Red 4 30.8
Lindstrom, Freddie 1 7.7 Ryan, Jimmy 4 30.8
Maranville, Rabbit 1 7.7 Sheckard, Jimmy 1 7.7
Marquard, Rube 1 7.7 Shocker, Urban 1 7.7
Mathews, Bobby 1 7.7 Sewell, Joe 3 23.1
McCormick, Jim 1 7.7 Smith, Hilton 2 15.4
McVey, Cal 1 7.7 Smith, Reggie 1 7.7
Nettles, Graig 1 7.7 Smith, Lee 2 15.4
Olerud, John 1 7.7 Starffin, Victor 7 53.8
Oliva, Tony 1 7.7 Start, Joe 1 7.7
Oliver, Al 1 7.7 Staub, Rusty 1 7.7
Pearce, Dickey 1 7.7 Stephens, Vern 1 7.7
Pinson, Vada 1 7.7 Sutter, Bruce 5 38.5
Rosen, Al 1 7.7 Van Haltren, George 2 15.4
Sheckard, Jimmy 1 7.7 Veach, Bobby 1 7.7
Shocker, Urban 1 7.7 Walker, Larry 4 30.8
Smith, Reggie 1 7.7 Wallace, Bobby 5 38.5
Start, Joe 1 7.7 Waner, Lloyd 1 7.7
Staub, Rusty 1 7.7 Welch, Mickey 4 30.8
Stephens, Vern 1 7.7 Whitaker, Lou 9 69.2
Veach, Bobby 1 7.7 Willis, Vic 1 7.7
Waner, Lloyd 1 7.7 Wilson, Hack 2 15.4
Willis, Vic 1 7.7 Wynn, Jimmy 3 23.1
Youngs, Ross 1 7.7 Youngs, Ross 1 7.7

[jalbright]

Albright BBF HOF voting guide for 5/5-5/25/07

key:
blue=Negro Leagues
red=Japanese leagues
green=19th century
orange=not even in my queue
italics= not on my ballot for this month

Received 50% or more of the vote last month:
Players: Carl Mays (69), Lou Whitaker (69), Heinie Groh (62), John Beckwith (54), Jim Bunning (69), [/COLOR]Victor Starffin (54), George Gore (54), Orlando Cepeda (69), Will Clark (62), Sam Rice (54), Jose Mendez (62)

Categories below this will have 1) all players with 50% or more of the votes last month (percentages from last month will follow their names in parentheses), 2) all players on my ballot, and 3) if there are no players in the category with over 50% of the vote last month, the leading vote getter in the category will be listed with his percentage of the vote last month in parentheses, so long as he received at least five (5) votes.

Negro League Pitcher Jose Mendez (62)

Negro League Hitters Pete Hill (46) , Frank Grant (39), John Beckwith (54)

19th century pitcher

19th century hitter: George Gore (62), Joe Kelley (46)

Japanese pitcher: Kazuhisa Inao (39), Victor Starffin (54), Akira Bessho

Japanese hitter: Hiromitsu Ochiai

My ballot by position plus leading vote getters
Catcher: Charlie Bennett
First Base: Hiromitsu Ochiai, Will Clark (62), Orlando Cepeda (69)
Second Base: Frank Grant (39) , Lou Whitaker (69)
Third Base: Ken Boyer (46), John Beckwith (54), Heinie Groh (62)
Shortstop: Dobie Moore , Luis Aparicio (46)
Outfield: Pete Hill (46), Joe Kelley (46), George Gore (62), Sam Rice (54)
Starting Pitcher: Kazuhisa Inao (39) , Victor Starffin (54), Akira Bessho, Burleigh Grimes, Carl Mays (69), Red Ruffing, Jim Bunning (69), Jose Mendez (62)
Relief pitcher Bruce Sutter (39), Dan Quisenberry (39)

Plugs for first time player candidates will appear in the discussion thread, and I will create a thread which will provide the plugs for all the holdovers on my ballot not covered in the discussion thread this month.

[jalbright]

Players with 50% or more of the vote last month

On my ballot this month

Carl Mays (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545938&postcount=279)

Lou Whitaker (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

John Beckwith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361394&postcount=57)

Heinie Groh (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541455&postcount=268)

Jim Bunning (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443193&postcount=214)

Victor Starffin (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404363&postcount=177)

Jose Mendez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781001&postcount=325)

Will Clark (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443216&postcount=218)

Orlando Cepeda (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545922&postcount=277)

George Gore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546237&postcount=286)

Sam Rice (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545914&postcount=276)

Players I'm not supporting and why

[jalbright]

New to my ballot this month

Players

none, as we elected no one last month

[jalbright]

Negro Leaguers

Pitchers

Jose Mendez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781001&postcount=325)

Position players

Pete Hill (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361391&postcount=55)

Frank Grant (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361376&postcount=47)

Dobie Moore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361398&postcount=59)

John Beckwith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361394&postcount=57)

[jalbright]

19th century players

Pitcher:

Position players:

Joe Kelley (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546231&postcount=285)

George Gore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546237&postcount=286)

[jalbright]

Japanese Players

Pitchers

Kazuhisa Inao (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404359&postcount=176)

Victor Starffin (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404363&postcount=177)

Akira Bessho (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409062&postcount=187)


Position Players

Hiromitsu Ochiai (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409082&postcount=190)

[jalbright]

position players other than OF on my ballot

Catcher

Charlie Bennett (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=393654&postcount=165)

First Base

Hiromitsu Ochiai (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409082&postcount=188)

Will Clark (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443216&postcount=218)

Orlando Cepeda (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545922&postcount=277)

Second Base

Frank Grant (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361376&postcount=47)

Lou Whitaker (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

Third Base

Ken Boyer (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546225&postcount=284)

Heinie Groh (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541455&postcount=268)

Shortstop

Dobie Moore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361398&postcount=59)

Luis Aparicio (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545948&postcount=281)

Infielder

John Beckwith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361394&postcount=57)

[jalbright]

Outfielders and Pitchers on my ballot

Outfielders

Pete Hill (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361391&postcount=55)

Joe Kelley (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546231&postcount=285)

George Gore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546237&postcount=286)

Sam Rice (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545914&postcount=276)

Pitchers

Kazuhisa Inao (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404359&postcount=176)

Victor Starffin (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404363&postcount=177)

Red Ruffing (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=408323&postcount=184)

Akira Bessho (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409062&postcount=187)

Burleigh Grimes (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443047&postcount=211)

Carl Mays (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545938&postcount=279)

Bruce Sutter (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=466733&postcount=230)

Jim Bunning (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443193&postcount=214)

Dan Quisenberry (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=466735&postcount=231)

Jose Mendez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781001&postcount=325)

[jalbright]

At this point, we stop dealing with who is on my ballot, and start dealing with who is left in my queues and the reasons for those selections.

[jalbright]

Negro League players not on my ballot but in my queue and tough cases from those leagues

Negro League position players not yet on my ballot:

Home Run Johnson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361381&postcount=48)

Alejandro Oms (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361402&postcount=60)


Negro League Pitchers not yet on my ballot

Leon Day (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361390&postcount=54)

[jalbright]

19th century players not yet on my ballot

Hardy Richardson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=393617&postcount=163)

Jack Glasscock (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541463&postcount=271)

Ezra Sutton (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=393634&postcount=164)



Tony Mullane (pitcher) (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=370012&postcount=139)


Hard cases from the 19th century

Joe Start (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361596&postcount=95)

Herman Long (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541460&postcount=270)

George Van Haltren (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=540589&postcount=264)


Some good 19th century players I don't think I can support and why

Lip Pike (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361594&postcount=94)

Ross Barnes (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=371259&postcount=146)

Jake Beckley ( http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631272&postcount=305 )

Pete Browning (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=748061&postcount=324)

Mickey Welch (pitcher) (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=413488&postcount=190)

Bob Caruthers (pitcher) (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547693&postcount=288)

[jalbright]

Japanese pitchers not yet on my ballot:

Masaaki Koyama (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409058&postcount=186)

Yutaka Enatsu (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409056&postcount=185)


Tough case from Japan

Koji Yamamoto (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409094&postcount=189)

[jalbright]

Major league infielders from 20th century and after:

Sal Bando (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541453&postcount=267)

Larry Doyle (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443705&postcount=222)

Bid McPhee (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541457&postcount=269)

Tony Perez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443202&postcount=216)

Vern Stephens (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=540615&postcount=266)

Bobby Wallace (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=389113&postcount=160)

[jalbright]

Major league pitchers and outfielders from 1900 on


Major league outfielders from 20th century and after:


Major league pitchers from 20th century and after

Billy Pierce (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=542251&postcount=273)

Eppa Rixey (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=395028&postcount=166)

Bucky Walters (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=542245&postcount=272)

Vic Willis (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=425940&postcount=202)

[jalbright]

Tough choices from 20th century and after MLB:


Kevin Brown (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631270&postcount=304)

Wilber Cooper (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545954&postcount=283)

Darrell Evans (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

Red Faber (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545932&postcount=278)

Catfish Hunter (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545909&postcount=275)

Tommy Leach (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

Rabbit Maranville (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

Graig Nettles (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

Herb Pennock (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

Johnny Pesky (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545940&postcount=280)

Joe Sewell (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)

[jalbright]

Some prominent Negro Leaguers I'm not likely to support and why:


Spotswood Poles (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368354&postcount=132)

Ben Taylor (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368356&postcount=133)

Bingo DeMoss (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368356&postcount=133)

Oliver Marcelle (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368356&postcount=133)

Judy Johnson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368357&postcount=134)

Chino Smith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=369995&postcount=137)

[jalbright]

Prominent major league candidates I'm not likely to support and why:


Bobby Bonds (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=387233&postcount=159)

Roger Bresnahan (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=369471&postcount=136)

Joe Carter (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363435&postcount=125)

Kiki Cuyler (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631265&postcount=301)

Steve Garvey (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363442&postcount=126)

Keith Hernandez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=531939&postcount=257)

Gil Hodges (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=367384&postcount=131)

Bob Johnson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=712366&postcount=319)

Addie Joss (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=485853&postcount=240)

Chuck Klein (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=380614&postcount=155)

Heinie Manush (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631266&postcount=302)

Roger Maris (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=421141&postcount=193)

Edgar Martinez ( http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631268&postcount=303 )

Bill Mazeroski (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363248&postcount=124)

Fred McGriff (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=457494&postcount=228)

Tony Oliva (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=481524&postcount=237)

Jim Rice (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363435&postcount=125)

Edd Roush (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781733&postcount=326)

Larry Walker (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=722877&postcount=322)

Maury Wills (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=608273&postcount=299)

Jimmy Wynn (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=386606&postcount=157)

[jalbright]

I'm changing the title of this thread to reflect the new voting period. I will make sure to note the new election of Nellie Fox to the BBF HOF, but won't have time to do it just now.

Jim Albright

[jalbright]

Through JW's ballot, we've had seven valid ballots (the lone invalid ballot caster has been notified by PM), and no one has more than five votes. There's a significant chance we won't elect anyone this month. Of all the candidates with four or more votes (anyone with three would at least need to run the table), none project to have as much as an even money shot at election based on last month's votes. If we regain some of the voters lost last month, this may improve. Anyway, the projection system I use sees the chances of the candidates with 4 or 5 votes currently this way (remembering that the number after the name represents the current percentage chance of election this month):

Cepeda, Orlando 44
Groh, Heinie 44
Whitaker, Lou 44
Mays, Carl 41
Bunning, Jim 33
Clark, Will 33
Gore, George 15
Mendez, Jose 15
Aparicio, Luis 11
Beckwith, John 11
Boyer, Ken 9
Hill, Pete 9
Rice, Sam 9
Starffin, Victor 9
Sutter, Bruce 9
Beckley, Jake 7
Grant, Frank 7
Palmeiro, Rafael 7
Wallace, Bobby 6



Jim Albright

[jalbright]

We elected no one last month, so all I did was change the title and update the information.

[jalbright]

One week into this voting cycle of 5/5 to 5/25, and we're already down to three candidates with a credible chance of election. Anybody with less than five votes has no real chance. Those with 5 need for us to add at least two more voters and run the table, so they're extreme longshots. There are two candidates with six of the nine votes cast so far, Luis Aparicio and Carl Mays. These two need to run the table unless we add at least two voters, in which case they can be left off of one ballot and still be elected. Aparicio has no support among the five outstanding voters, so he's got very little chance. Mays, on the other hand, has the support of 4 of the five outstanding voters, so he's got a chance. There's no one with seven votes right now, and only one with 8, Orlando Cepeda. He's been supported by 3 of the five outstanding voters from last month, which puts him on pace for election.

Jim Albright

[jalbright]

With John Shoemaker's revision of his ballot, Aparicio has moved to seven votes, which improves his position a little, in that he can be left off of one ballot this month and still make it. However, since he's not on any of the five outstanding ballots, the final outcome isn't likely to change. Ken Boyer, Jake Beckley and Ross Barnes have moved up to the six vote category, which means they must run the table. Unfortunately for all three, they only had the support of one voter each last month--so they're not likely to make it this month, either.

Jim Albright

[jalbright]

The state of this voting cycle, with a little less than a week to go, is as follows:

Orlando Cepeda with 10 of the 11 votes cast so far is in excellent shape. He is supported by one of the three outstanding voters from last month, which would be enough. The only real danger for him is new voters who leave him off their ballots.

Luis Aparicio with 9 of the 11 votes cast so far is currently on a pace to make it, and can being left off of one ballot and still make it. The problem is, he's not on any of the three outstanding ballots. He's got a real chance, but it's hard to say whether or not he'll make it this month.

Carl Mays with 8 of the 11 votes cast so far is just off the pace. However, he had the support of two of the three outstanding voters last month. If the last of the three changes his mind or fails to vote, that would be enough to put him in. Another close call.

There are a bunch of guys with 7 of the 11 votes cast, but since they a) need to run the table and b) we have to add enough voters to get to 16 votes, they're real longshots, especially since all of them were left off of at least one of the 3 outstanding ballots from last month.

Jim Albright

[J W]

Cepeda, Aparicio, and Mays are all outstanding choices for this month, and I for one would be very happy if we could get 2 out of those 3 elected.

- We've exhausted the list of all-time 1Bmen and with the election of Bill Terry, we've said yes to at least one second-tier 20th century player by all-time standards. Some would argue Murray but I whole-heartedly disagree. I would argue Sisler but the Murray camp would disagree. I think that, provided we elect a comparable amount of players to those in Cooperstown, that a select best of the rest at 1B needs to be included. Contrary to popular belief, history shows that fewer players were able to meet certain standards at 1B than at corner OF. Cepeda is a viable choice for the next 1B elected.

- Ozzie Smith was elected a long time ago, and recently we elected Nellie Fox. Aparicio is therefore a viable option as a defensive specialist... but of course it begs the question if he's elected, who else like him is deserving?

- Carl Mays I believe is just as good a pitcher as several who are already in (Lemon, Lyons, McGinnity, Sutton), and he is one of the oldest tenured players on my ballot. He's also one of the last pitchers I'm certain should be elected... as in, I don't think his election opens any more doors than are open right now.

Hopefully things'll turn out, but you never know. :gt