Franchise Draft

[Wade8813]

Alright, we’re going to do a franchise draft. It’ll give us AL drafters something to do while waiting for the NL (but we’ll allow the NL to participate too). We'll probably go back to doing an all-time draft after this.

It'll be a snake draft. You pick a team, and can use any player who's been on that team, and any year they had while on that team. You must have at least 1 player from both of your teams on your final team.

Players who split time between teams are eligible for play on both teams, but they must use a year they were on the franchise picked by a certain team. Whoever has the Reds and whoever has the Mariners can both use Griffey, but only for the years he was on that team. If one person has both the Reds and the Mariners, they can have Griffey on their team twice. You must still use one of the years from each team. If the season you want for the player was on two teams, they must have been with your team for at least 40 games (with the team - a pitcher obviously wouldn't pitch 40 games).

We are picking from the 30 ML teams. In order to help balance out the pool, we’ll only use from 1961 to now.

A player has to have played 110 games that season for it to be eligible (85 for catchers). They must have played 40 games at a position to qualify there. Starting pitchers need 160 IP, and relievers need 50 innings of relief.

The positional requirements are the same as Minstrel's draft - SS can play 2B, CF can play anywhere in the OF, and LF/RF are interchangable. You need at least 4 starting pitchers.

Trades will be allowed at any point during the draft.

Officially, we'll start the draft on Friday at 5 PST (8 EST), since that's the first date I mentioned, but we can pick sooner than that.

There won't be any injuries.

Post here if you want to participate.

1. Leecemark - Red Sox
2. Windy City Fan - Yankees
3. Wade8813 - Giants
4. Sockeye - Braves
5. Minstrel - Athletics
6. DudeCar00 - Dodgers
7. Westlake - Mets
8. Plask_Stirlac - Orioles
9. Kyle - Reds
10. Ronnie5 - Cardinals
11. 538280 - Twins
12. DisgruntaledMarinerFan - Mariners
13. SamtheBravesFan - Cubs
14. Erik Bedard - Blue Jays
15. TheKingofKings - Phillies
16. TheKingofKings - Angels
17. Erik Bedard - Astros
18. SamtheBravesFan - Rangers
19. DisgruntaledMarinerFan - Indians
20. 538280 - White Sox
21. Ronnie5 - Pirates
22. Kyle - Royals
23. Plask_stirlac - Marlins
24. Westlake - Tigers
25. DudeCar00 - Nationals
26. Minstrel - Brewers
27. Sockeye - Diamondbacks
28. Wade8813 - Padres
29. Windy City Fan - Rockies
30. Leecemark - Devil Rays

[-Kyle-]

Aye.......

[SamtheBravesFan]

I'm in! Sounds fun! :D

[Erik Bedard]

I'm definitely in. And I promise I won't complain if I get the Yankees.

[Minstrel]

I'm in. I want the Yankees and Athletics.

It's dibs, right? I got dibs.

[-Kyle-]

Wait...I thought this was a draft...dibs?

[Wade8813]

Be thankful it isn't dibs. I would have made the first claim when I first posted it, and told Washizzle and DMF to be ready to make dibs as soon as I'd posted it... :laugh

[-Kyle-]

Be thankful it isn't dibs. I would have made the first claim when I first posted it, and told Washizzle and DMF to be ready to make dibs as soon as I'd posted it...
Oh...Minstrel was joking...:o

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

Sign me up.

[Washizzle Express]

Sign me up, Scotty.

[Erik Bedard]

I believe we can take six more, and then signups are over.

[The Dude]

I'm in for this.

[Wade8813]

I believe we can take six more, and then signups are over. Unless we can just divide it into smaller groups. I'd feel bad leaving people out.

Besides, is there any reason we're not allowing the full 15 people, at least? 2 teams each...

[ronnie5]

I'm in. I'm sure to have a million questions, but I'm in. How will the draft order be determined?

[Sockeye]

Count me in

[-Kyle-]

I'm in. I'm sure to have a million questions, but I'm in. How will the draft order be determined?
Minstrel used some randomizer...right?

[ronnie5]

Minstrel used some randomizer...right?

Ah, ok. Well the sooner we can get it settled, the better for everyone so we can start generating lists.

[TheKingofKings]

I'm in! ...

[Wade8813]

Ah, ok. Well the sooner we can get it settled, the better for everyone so we can start generating lists. I was planning to start Friday, but it looks like we might be able to start sooner. You can generate lists now. We don't have to start the draft for you to figure out which teams you want.


I think for DH, we'll just let each team choose if they want one or not, and whoever's the home team gets to set it for that game. Does that sound ok?

[ronnie5]

Wade, so what about all the other rules? For example, can a CF still play any OF position, can a SS play 2B, etc? Also, if you're setting 120 games as a standard, that still makes 94 and 81 ineligible... and what of pitchers? Is 160 games still the minimum for a SP? Basically, are the rest of the rules going to carry over?

[Wade8813]

Right, forgot to clarify that. Thanks.

CF can play anywhere in the OF, and LF/RF are interchangable. SS can play 2nd base. 200 IP for SP, 40 IP for RP.

I'd rather go over each rule individually, if we can, just to make sure. But for the most part, it'll be very similar, if not the same.

[Minstrel]

Minstrel used some randomizer...right?

Yes, here:

http://www.sharewareconnection.com/the-hat.htm

Good piece of freeware.

[Minstrel]

200 IP for SP, 40 IP for RP.

Did you mean 40 IP or 40 relief appearances? Because 200 IP is a pretty high bar for starters, but 40 IP is pretty tiny, even for a reliever.

[plask_stirlac]

I'll participate.

[Wade8813]

Did you mean 40 IP or 40 relief appearances? Because 200 IP is a pretty high bar for starters, but 40 IP is pretty tiny, even for a reliever. Alright, how about 160 IP and 50 IP.

I've never been great at deciding the numbers for requirements :ughh .

[Windy City Fan]

Count me in.

[ronnie5]

If we can choose even the flukiest of seasons from a player, shouldn't strike years be eligible? If they're eligible as long as they meet the requirements (using 120 GP as a minimum) all position players from 81 and 94 are ineligible. If you made it a 70% or 80% of team games played rule, then they would, but as it stands, only pitchers from those years would be eligible. Perhaps we should modify that rule? Thoughts?

[Wade8813]

I have nothing against using strike years. I just chose a number of games played that sounded about right. It doesn't seem fair to only allow pitchers from then - how many games would work? How about 110 games?

Oh, and how about only 85 games for catchers?

[538280]

I'd like to do this.

[Washizzle Express]

after further consideration, washizzle will have to decline this draft, due to other commitments that would detract from the excitement of baseball.

[Sockeye]

Just want to make sure I have this right.

We are going to first draft the teams we are to use for this project using a snake draft format with 2 rounds so everyone has 2 teams to choose players from correct?

Then we are going to draft players from those teams with any player's season being eligible as long as they spent all or part of the season with that team? Player can only be chosen once per team though. So someone having the Yankees couldn't have 6 Babe Ruth's? Exception example being someone having the Reds/Mariners could have 2 Ken Griffey's. One from a Mariners season and one from a Reds season correct?

25 total rounds with no more than 20 players chosen from one team correct?

Did we settle on strike shortened seasons being used and minimal number of games/IP?

[leecemark]

--I'll play if there are still spots open.

[Erik Bedard]

We now have fourteen. IMO, we should just start now, and exclude the two undrafted teams.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

We now have fourteen. IMO, we should just start now, and exclude the two undrafted teams.
I'd rather wait untill the proposed time to start. Maybe there are others out there that wish to play. let's give them some more time.

[Westlake]

I'll play.

[Minstrel]

Then we are going to draft players from those teams with any player's season being eligible as long as they spent all or part of the season with that team?

I don't think we "draft" from our teams; there's no point...no one can take players from other teams, you have exclusive right to all player-seasons on your teams.

[Sockeye]

I don't think we "draft" from our teams; there's no point...no one can take players from other teams, you have exclusive right to all player-seasons on your teams.

Good point. So we put together a team for a simulated season and/or to be voted on?

[Minstrel]

Good point. So we put together a team for a simulated season and/or to be voted on?

I think so.

[Erik Bedard]

Seems stupid to allow any more people to join now. We've got 15, enough for each people to have two franchises, and whoever gets the Yankees will also get a very poor franchise.

[Sockeye]

Since we have our 15, how about we go ahead and start?

[Wade8813]

We have 15, so I'll close the registration. I'll randomly determine the draft order, and post it here. If it's your pick, you can pick now, but I won't hold it against you if you aren't ready till tomorrow, since that's the stated start time. I will PM everyone, just as an FYI.

[Wade8813]

1. Leecemark -
2. Windy City Fan -
3. Wade8813 -
4. Sockeye -
5. Minstrel -
6. DudeCar00 -
7. Westlake -
8. Plask_Stirlac -
9. Kyle -
10. Ronnie5 -
11. 538280 -
12. DisgruntaledMarinerFan -
13. SamtheBravesFan -
14. Erik Bedard -
15. TheKingofKings -

[Erik Bedard]

When my team beats yours, you'll realize the benefits of having a late pick. :D

[Wade8813]

Oh, I know the benefits of a late pick. I also know the advantages of an early pick. I also know that a random number generator is just that - random. :rolleyes:

[Wade8813]

If a player played on more than one team in a year, you can use him if he was with your team for at least 40 games.

[Minstrel]

If a player played on more than one team in a year, you can use him if he played on your team for at least 40 games.

Do you get his rate stats for his games on your team, or his stats for the full season?

[Wade8813]

Full season.

[Sockeye]

I'm not sure I like the 5 players from each team rule. I purpose that rule is removed. Either that or at least lowered to 1 player from each team if you want it so that each team is at least represented. I think it should be up the the owners descretion as to how many they want to choose from each team. If a owner chooses to use 25 players from 1 team they are essentially playing one franchise against two. Which in itself is a disadvantage. But if should be left up to that owner to decide.

[Erik Bedard]

I agree, now that it's just post-1961, only one per team is necessary. But both franchises should be represented.

[Wade8813]

Yeah, that makes sense. I'll say you only need one from the other team - and he can even be on your bench.

I've updated the first page to list the rules.

[leecemark]

--I'll go with the Red Sox

[plask_stirlac]

So we can go 24-1?

[Erik Bedard]

--I'll go with the Red Sox

Ah, well, not like I really expected them to last to me... :laugh :laugh

[The Dude]

Just so everyone knows, I added the draft order to the first post on page 1, so you can just see it right when you come in.

[Minstrel]

How long does each person have to select before being skipped, once the draft "officially" starts tomorrow?

[-Kyle-]

1. Leecemark -
2. Windy City Fan -
3. Wade8813 -
4. Sockeye -
5. Minstrel -
6. DudeCar00 -
7. Westlake -
8. Plask_Stirlac -
9. Kyle -
10. Ronnie5 -
11. 538280 -
12. DisgruntaledMarinerFan -
13. SamtheBravesFan -
14. Erik Bedard -
15. TheKingofKings -
Figures...another middle pick...

[Wade8813]

I guess we'll do the same length of time as the All-time draft, although it shouldn't take that long.

Also, we won't have any injuries.

[Windy City Fan]

I'll take the Yankees.

[Wade8813]

I'll take Barry Bo... I mean the Giants.

[Minstrel]

In this game, we can use a player's best season (as long as they were on your team at the time and qualify for full seasons), right?

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects......Atlanta Braves

[SamtheBravesFan]

Sockeye selects......Atlanta Braves

Crap. Now I have to take a team I don't know much about.

[Wade8813]

In this game, we can use a player's best season (as long as they were on your team at the time and qualify for full seasons), right?Correct (too short)

[Minstrel]

I select the Athletics.

[The Dude]

I'll take the dodgers.

[ronnie5]

Westlake can't get to a computer, so I'm selecting for him. He selects the Mets.

[plask_stirlac]

My selection is perhaps the most consistently good (or great) team taking each 61-99 decade into account.

Baltimore Orioles

[The Dude]

Oh crap, I forgot it was '61-'99. Oh well, still got a good team I guess.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

As far as I know It 1961- current. I believe the first post on this says so.

[Erik Bedard]

Look at the Orioles' record since 1999, and you'll see why he said '61-'99. ;)

[-Kyle-]

Much Thanks To ronnie...I did not know I was up...

I don't care if they have weak pitching...I'll take the reds.

[plask_stirlac]

It is 1961-today. When I suggested post-1961 I also meant that, as in post April 1, 1961, as the new Sens, Angels, etc. started.

Oh crap, I forgot it was '61-'99. Oh well, still got a good team I guess.

I wasn't surprised by your Dodgers pick in the 1961-today format.

And the Orioles have definitely not carried the tradition over to the 2000s, though Tejada, Ryan, etc. will play for me.

[ronnie5]

I'll take the Cardinals

[538280]

Minnesota Twins

http://www.astro.psu.edu/~caryl/minnesota-twins.jpg

[Erik Bedard]

I see plenty of teams I'd love to have left.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I still wanted the Braves >.> But I have another plan.

[-Kyle-]

I see plenty of teams I'd love to have left.
Ugh...I know...You either want a top pick, or a bottom pick...not #9...

I have a team that I am praying will come back to me...cause I knew the Reds wouldn't

[SamtheBravesFan]

Ugh...I know...You either want a top pick, or a bottom pick...not #9...

I have a team that I am praying will come back to me...cause I knew the Reds wouldn't

My second team I know I'm going to get because I seriously doubt that someone else is going to take them, and if a better team is left, I'll take them. Basically, I think I'm in pretty good shape.

[-Kyle-]

My second team I know I'm going to get because I seriously doubt that someone else is going to take them, and if a better team is left, I'll take them. Basically, I think I'm in pretty good shape.
Well the thing I noticed is...Pitching>>>>>>Batting (realizing this once I took the reds, doh)...I can find some 150 OPS+ guys anywhere, but exceptional pitchers are scarce. The only "unique" thing about the Reds is that 1976 Joe Morgan is the best 2nd Basemen in this sim.

[Wade8813]

I dunno - some teams have plenty of pitching, some have very little. Most have at least one great starter and enough good strarters to fill the rotation (or almost fill it). Almost none of the teams have good players at almost every position.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I dunno - some teams have plenty of pitching, some have very little. Most have a great one and a few good ones. Almost none of the teams have good players at almost every position.

Which is why I figure with the teams I want, I can find enough good pitchers.

[Sockeye]

Some interesting picks so far.... I had the Braves ranked #1 on my list and was delighted to be able to snag them with my 4th pick. 3 of the top 9 teams on my draft board are still available including the 4th best team. Of course I have no false illusions of anything close still being available at the 27th pick. If I can land a team ranked in the 21-25 range on my board I'll be extremely pleased with the results.

[-Kyle-]

I dunno - some teams have plenty of pitching, some have very little. Most have a great one and a few good ones. Almost none of the teams have good players at almost every position.
Reds have everything at every position 'cept pitchers.

[Minstrel]

Well the thing I noticed is...Pitching>>>>>>Batting (realizing this once I took the reds, doh)...I can find some 150 OPS+ guys anywhere, but exceptional pitchers are scarce. The only "unique" thing about the Reds is that 1976 Joe Morgan is the best 2nd Basemen in this sim.

Yeah, Morgan/Larkin is going to be a sweet keystone combination.

[Wade8813]

Some interesting picks so far.... I had the Braves ranked #1 on my list and was delighted to be able to snag them with my 4th pick. 3 of the top 9 teams on my draft board are still available including the 4th best team. Of course I have no false illusions of anything close still being available at the 27th pick. If I can land a team ranked in the 21-25 range on my board I'll be extremely pleased with the results. I had the Braves #2 on my list - but I had the Giants at #1. Very good pitchers 1-5, decent bullpen, decent at every position, not to mention Mays and Bonds.

[-Kyle-]

I did a crapshoot basically...no research. I did so much stuff for the all time one I just winged this one. Big Red Machine was too good too pass up. Sox were #1, then Giants. Orioles were a great pick too.

[Williamsburg2599]

I hate to SPAM (sort of) but while we're waiting for the drafts to wrap up, I've started a pretty cool league, using RBI baseball. You can play it right from your PC: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=58834

I'm pretty sure it can work on anyone who has a fast internet connection PC. Although I need someone here to test it with me.

[Minstrel]

I had the Athletics as a top-four franchise, considering a rich talent base in the 70s, 80s and 00s. Especially if we can use best seasons. Check out, for example, Vida Blue's best season.

[Wade8813]

I had them at about number 5. IIRC, a lot of their players played the same positions, which hurts. But they are certainly still a good pick.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

:gt :gt :gt :gt :gt I'll take the Seattle Mariners.:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping

[Erik Bedard]

It's been eight hours. I'll take the Toronto Blue Jays.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I'll take the Chicago Cubs.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2296/688et1.gif

[-Kyle-]

I'll take the Chicago Cubs.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2296/688et1.gif
Already taken I think...

Edit: No they weren't, crap

[TheKingofKings]

With my first pick, I'll select the Philadelphia Phillies.

[TheKingofKings]

With my second pick, I select the California/Anaheim Angels Franchise.

[Erik Bedard]

I actually had the Braves at #1. I had the Jays at #7 (Clemens, Molitor, Stieb, Alomar), so I was thrilled to get them at #14. Pick in a sec.... just need to double-check some things.

[Erik Bedard]

If a player played for two different teams, he could be picked for both teams, right? Even if one person controls both teams?

[ronnie5]

If a player played for two different teams, he could be picked for both teams, right? Even if one person controls both teams?

Yes (too short).

[Wade8813]

I had the Jays at #7 (Clemens, Molitor, Stieb, Alomar), so I was thrilled to get them at #14. They're definitely a good team, but #7? Seems a bit high, to me...

[-Kyle-]

They're definitely a good team, but #7? Seems a bit high, to me...
Same...I had them going like 10-12

[Erik Bedard]

The power of Roger Clemens will be doubly awesome for my team... I'll take the Astros.

[ronnie5]

The power of Roger Clemens will be doubly awesome for my team... I'll take the Astros.

You jerk :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy

[Erik Bedard]

Hated to do it, but I'm trying to focus mostly on pitching. So now I get Clemens' two best years (1997 and 2005), Roy Oswalt, Dave Stieb, and three top-notch closers in Henke, Ryan, and Lidge. The hitting side won't be quite as strong, but I don't think anyone can match my big two of Clemens and Clemens.

[Wade8813]

Leecemark comes close with Pedro and Clemens

[ronnie5]

Leecemark comes close with Pedro and Clemens

And I can put pretty much anyone and Bob Gibson's 1968 and that's pretty tough

[Erik Bedard]

All right. So Pedro and Clemens is better than Clemens and Clemens.

[SamtheBravesFan]

All right, this is what my gut says I should take, and I'm not looking back:

Texas Rangers

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8563/1370nm3.gif

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

I will take the Cleveland Indians.

[Windy City Fan]

Several players are on the tradign block for my team:

Dave Winfield, Bobby Mercer (check out those peak years in center), Bernie Williams, Reggie Jackson, Jason Giambi, and anyone of my 3 catchers (Howard, Munson, Posada). I also have some extra quality relievers I could be persuaded to include in a deal. In exchange we're looking for quality starting pitching and perhaps an upgrade at second base.

[TheKingofKings]

Scott Rolen is on the Block on my team...

[ronnie5]

538280's time has passed. I'll take the Pirates.

[SamtheBravesFan]

So where should I set up my roster?

[Wade8813]

So where should I set up my roster?I made a roster thread, so go ahead and put it there.

538280's time has passed. I'll take the Pirates. The last pick was 9 pm PST, so his clock won't run out for a while.

[ronnie5]

The last pick was 9 pm PST, so his clock won't run out for a while.

Are we not using the same 8 hour rules as we are in the AL and NL drafts? I didn't see it written anywhere that we werent. Going by those time rules, his time has passed.

[Wade8813]

We are - but we're also using the closed window, where everything is paused.

[ronnie5]

We are - but we're also using the closed window, where everything is paused.

Well, go look at the rules in the draft details page. The time between 10 PM CDT and 10 AM CDT counts, the window just cant close between that period. That's why I said, going by those rules, his time has passed.

[Erik Bedard]

Wade, can we trade players who would be on our team, but not the 25-man roster?

Also, check out my bullpen. Then try and tell me an early pick has a huge advantage.

[ronnie5]

Wade, can we trade players who would be on our team, but not the 25-man roster?

Also, check out my bullpen. Then try and tell me an early pick has a huge advantage.

Two things, Erik. It makes me sick to my stomach to see you using the Astros. And secondly, you can't use Nolan's 1981. He didn't have 160 IP.

[538280]

Chicago White Sox

http://www.kinosportscomplex.com/pix/White-Sox-logo1.gif

[Wade8813]

Well, go look at the rules in the draft details page. The time between 10 PM CDT and 10 AM CDT counts, the window just cant close between that period. That's why I said, going by those rules, his time has passed. Right - I somehow forgot about the rule change. My fault...

Wade, can we trade players who would be on our team, but not the 25-man roster? Of course. We don't know who would be on your 25 man roster, so if you trade them, we can't say if they were on your roster or not. In fact, you can just put them on your roster on the bench, then trade them away, if that mattered.

Also, check out my bullpen. Then try and tell me an early pick has a huge advantage. I never said that an early pick has a huge advantage in this draft. I said they have a huge advantage if we allow all years.

And I've also got a good bullpen (and very good rotation, and great lineup).

[plask_stirlac]

Twins and White Sox together? Excuse my while I cringe.

[Wade8813]

Twins and White Sox together? Excuse my while I cringe. I'm curious - why do you say that?

[-Kyle-]

I understand they are a reach...but I have my lineup filled out, plus they have 3 great starters and a 202 OPS+ thrid basemen.

http://www.3and2baseball.com/images/kc_royals_logo.gif

[ronnie5]

BTW, I'd like to suggest we make the DH a requirement. I'm sure there's going to be at least one person on everyone's team they can't find a spot for on the field, so a DH would be a perfect fit.

[Erik Bedard]

Paul Molitor can start! Woo hoo!

Ronnie, fixed Ryan as well Richard and Halladay not meeting requirements. Replaced them with Stieb, Oswalt, and Dierker. Still great pitching, but not amazingly great.

[plask_stirlac]

The Twins and White Sox are definitely rivals and opposed. The Yankees and White Sox are the teams that rile up the fairly genial Minnesota fans, and Indians but not as much.

Perhaps this is a sad statement on a franchise I will leave nameless, but we're looking for the best 25 seasons, so I'm going all out. Introduced in 1993...

Florida Marlins
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/animals/images/primary/blue-marlin.jpg

[Wade8813]

The Twins and White Sox are definitely rivals and opposed. The Yankees and White Sox are the teams that rile up the fairly genial Minnesota fans, and Indians but not as much. O, IC. I thought you were referring to them being great picks (or bad picks). Heck, I'll take all the rivals in the world if it makes my team better.

[ronnie5]

Jack Clark, Roberto Clemente, Scott Rolen and Orlando Cepeda are on the trading block.

[Minstrel]

Perhaps this is a sad statement on a franchise I will leave nameless, but we're looking for the best 25 seasons, so I'm going all out. Introduced in 1993...

Florida Marlins

Hmm, I was mildly hoping that the Marlins would last to me.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Looking for center fielder. I do NOT want to be stuck with Don Lock in center.

[Windy City Fan]

Delete Please

[538280]

Twins and White Sox together? Excuse my while I cringe.

Hey, just going with the best available. I hestitated a little too but decided to just go with what's best for the team in the end.

[plask_stirlac]

Oh, that's fine, only I will feign a cringe (I really don't mind either).

Hmm, I was mildly hoping that the Marlins would last to me.

That's the bite of the snake draft, they're a great auxiliary team in this format.

Plus my keen eye must be accounted for.

[Wade8813]

It's nice - a lot of bad teams are great at filling holes.

[Windy City Fan]

BREAKING NEWS: Prominent minor league prospects, Dave Righetti and Jorge Posada, of the Lightning franchise have been traded for second baseman, Roberto Alomar.

Disgruntledmarinerfan will confirm.

[plask_stirlac]

Wow Wade you just post right after me today. Are you sidling me? Sidler.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

BREAKING NEWS: Prominent minor league prospects, Dave Righetti and Jorge Posada, of the Lightning franchise have been traded for second baseman, Roberto Alomar.

Disgruntledmarinerfan will confirm.
I Confirm.

[Wade8813]

I post right after all sorts of people. Besides, your post about the ChiSox and Twins was actually directed to me... :rolleyes:

[ronnie5]

Samthebravesfan and I have made a trade. He gets Roberto Clemente and I get Alex Rodriguez. Sam will confirm.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I confirm. Now I have to readjust my roster... again. :laugh

[ronnie5]

Wade, did you see my post about the DH? Can we make the DH a requirement?

[Wade8813]

If everyone wants to, I'm ok with that.

[Windy City Fan]

Samthebravesfan and I have made a trade. He gets Roberto Clemente and I get Alex Rodriguez. Sam will confirm.

Just curious, is Clemente eligible to play CF in this league? Baseball Reference has him only playing 63 games in center, which if we have the same positional reqs as the all time draft league, would not make him eligible for center.

[Wade8813]

Just curious, is Clemente eligible to play CF in this league? Baseball Reference has him only playing 63 games in center, which if we have the same positional reqs as the all time draft league, would not make him eligible for center. They must have played 40 games at a position to qualify there.

[ronnie5]

If everyone wants to, I'm ok with that.

Well, im definitely in favor of it.

[Windy City Fan]

They must have played 40 games at a position to qualify there.

From the All-time Draft Details Thread:

To be eligible at a fielding position, a player must have played at least 162 games at a position, over his career, to be eligible at it. The exceptions are that corner outfielders can be swapped between right and left field, center fielders can play any outfield position and shortstops can be played at second base. And, of course, anyone can be placed at DH.

[Wade8813]

From the first page of this thread:

A player has to have played 110 games that season for it to be eligible (85 for catchers). They must have played 40 games at a position to qualify there. Starting pitchers need 160 IP, and relievers need 50 innings of relief.

[Erik Bedard]

And a better arbitrary number could not have been picked.

[Wade8813]

Why, do you have a player who barely qualifies because of it?

[SamtheBravesFan]

I did that trade under the assumption that Clemente qualified for center field. I don't need him then if he doesn't. Which basically means that I get Don Lock in center field again. What am I going to do?

[Windy City Fan]

From the first page of this thread:

So we're not using the same rules as the all-time draft? I thought we were. Alas, under this rule I have a guy who falls 9 or 10 games short of being eligible for two infield spots.

[Erik Bedard]

Why, do you have a player who barely qualifies because of it?

Jeff Bagwell 1994 and his 213 OPS+. :dance :dance :dance

[ronnie5]

Can I cancel a trade then? I was under the impression that Clemente qualified for center field. I don't need him then.

He does. Wade just said you only need 40 games to qualify for a position. Clemente does.

[Windy City Fan]

Wait, is that 40 games career or 40 games in the selected season? Now I'm confused.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Wait, is that 40 games career or 40 games in the selected season? Now I'm confused.

That's what I'm confused about too.

[Wade8813]

That season.

[SamtheBravesFan]

That season.

Then can I cancel the trade?

[ronnie5]

That season.

Wow, well thats news to me... I thought it was only 40 career games.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Wow, well thats news to me... I thought it was only 40 career games.

That does put a wrench in our trade, doesn't it?

[Wade8813]

Oh dear...I'm worse at organizing this than I thought.

If people think the requirements are bad, then we can fix it. It's unfortunate that it's happening in the middle of the draft, but fortunately, with this format, I don't think it will hurt anyone too much.

If the requirements are tolerable, then we should stick with them (and the trade should probably be allowed to be cancelled).

[ronnie5]

That does put a wrench in our trade, doesn't it?

I guess so. We were both under the impression it was only 40 career games. It doesn't say anywhere 40 games that season.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I think you should be able to.

Able to use Clemente in center or cancel?

[Wade8813]

Sorry, I clarified it in my previous post.

[ronnie5]

Oh dear...I'm worse at organizing this than I thought.

If people think the requirements are bad, then we can fix it. It's unfortunate that it's happening in the middle of the draft, but fortunately, with this format, I don't think it will hurt anyone too much.

If the requirements are tolerable, then we should stick with them (and the trade should probably be allowed to be cancelled).

Well, If Sam and I (and others, such as Erik, who has Biggio as his catcher using a season he wasn't a catcher) assumed it was 40 career games, it should be 40 career games. The rules never specified 40 games that season.

[Windy City Fan]

40 games in a season is fair. If go with a career requirement, I think it would need to be boosted. 40 games in a career is not much when you think about it. I'd prefer to keep the reqs as they are (even though it means I can never move A-Rod to SS) since people have drafted this far based on those reqs.

[The Dude]

I assumed that it was 40 games a season, as we're using a players best season, not his career value. In a league like the ATDL, where you're trying to use a career value by picking 3rd best seasons, 162 games or even down to 40 might make sense. But we're using best seasons here, so it doesn't make very much sense to go with 40 games a career.

[Westlake]

I'll take the Detroit Tigers.

[Westlake]

Well, If Sam and I (and others, such as Erik, who has Biggio as his catcher using a season he wasn't a catcher) assumed it was 40 career games, it should be 40 career games. The rules never specified 40 games that season.

Now how much sense does that make?

I think it should be 40 games that season. 40 games a career really puts way too many loopholes out there.

[ronnie5]

Now how much sense does that make?

I think it should be 40 games that season. 40 games a career really puts way too many loopholes out there.

Well I think it's a loophole to make it 40 games that season after the fact when teams were drafted, players chosen, and players traded based on the 40 career games assumption.

[The Dude]

We'll take the Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals.

[Westlake]

Well I think it's a loophole to make it 40 games that season after the fact when teams were drafted, players chosen, and players traded based on the 40 career games assumption.

That's just what it was, an assumption. If the original rule was stated that it was to be forty games in his career than I guess it should stay, but not only if some people assumed that.

40 games in a career, when we are using seasons, doesnt make sense to me anyway.

[Wade8813]

It seems assumptions were made both ways (which is my fault. I should have clarified it more).

Trades can easily be undone. As far as drafted teams, I can guarantee that most of them would have been chosen the same either way. Did anyone pick a team, hoping that they'd be able to use someone at a position they don't qualify under?

[ronnie5]

It seems assumptions were made both ways (which is my fault. I should have clarified it more).

Trades can easily be undone. As far as drafted teams, I can guarantee that most of them would have been chosen the same either way. Did anyone pick a team, hoping that they'd be able to use someone at a position they don't qualify under?

Well I know I was more inclined to pick St. Louis when I knew I could use Joe Torre as my catcher and use his 1971. Turns out he didnt catch that season, so that kinda screws my plans there.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Ronnie and I have discussed it a bit, and I would like to cancel the trade if he does.

[Minstrel]

I thought it was 40 games career...I figured Wade8813 was simply intending to drop the requirements much lower than I had for the sake of more versatility.

40 games in a season is reasonable, I'm just not sure if that's how most people interpreted it. Definitely puts a crimp in my plans, heh. ;)

[plask_stirlac]

We'll take the Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals.

So the Expos and Chad Cordero, then?

Oh, you guys. Just pick guys for where they played, it's not that costly.

[Minstrel]

I select:

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/profiles/images/jimm_MilwaukeeBrewers.jpg

Milwaukee Brewers

Not a wealth of additional talent, but gives me my best choice to fill the A's organizational hole at 2B (Robin Yount). They have a few additional interesting players that could give me some trade flexibility.

[plask_stirlac]

Minstrel you could try Keith Ginter again, haha.

So career D or season (does it matter?)?

[Minstrel]

Minstrel you could try Keith Ginter again, haha.

Haha. Or I could try Scutaro. Remember his bases-loaded double against the Twins in Game 3 of the ALDS last year?

:gt

[plask_stirlac]

Not distinctly because I doubted the Twins would win 3 in a row without getting one base hit with RISP, even if the A's were close to matching. Though I watched the games throughout, I was pondering Radke's career by then. Wasn't he better in Game 1 or Game 2 anyway?

Mark Ellis, whomever... mostly homogenous if good at all. Same problem for the Twins since trading Knoblauch (not that I didn't like Castillo's year).

[ronnie5]

Well, since this 40 career games/that year rule was never resolved, Sam and I have made another trade. He gets Jim Edmonds and I get Alex Rodriguez. Sam will confirm.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I confirm and this time, we're sticking with this one. :D

[Minstrel]

Mark Ellis, whomever... mostly homogenous if good at all.

Mark Ellis is underrated. One of the best glovemen at the position and has been a useful offensive player for the position overall (just barely under 100 OPS+ career).

But anyway, second base has just been one of those things...never a great player at the position, throughout their Oakland history.

Robin Yount will make a good addition to the team.

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects.........Arizona Diamondbacks

[leecemark]

--Career games would only make sense if we were using career totals. Since we are using individual seasons then it seems obvious that 40 games in the selected season was the intent of the rule.

[Westlake]

25 man rosters?

[Wade8813]

25 man rosters? Correct.

Also, note that there will be no injuries. People have been making rosters that seem to ignore that fact.



I pick the San Diego Padres.

[Westlake]

Correct.

Also, note that there will be no injuries. People have been making rosters that seem to ignore that fact.



I pick the San Diego Padres.

How do you make rosters then? What do you need outside of the starters? Is there fatigue?

[Wade8813]

I assume that the sim does have players get fatigued. Also, with lineups being so much better than normal, I'm fairly sure that games will be higher scoring, which puts more pressure on the pitching. You should probably have a bigger bullpen to help cover the increased workload.

[Westlake]

On the trade block:

Lou Whitaker
Jerry Koosman
Gary Carter
Bill Freehan
Cecil Fielder
Dick McAuliffe (Shortstop, 149 OPS+)
Carlos Beltran
Billy Wagner


Looking for: Outfielder, First Baseman

[ronnie5]

Copying Evan, here's my trade bait...

(Best OPS+/ERA+ season in paranthesis)

C- Tim McCarver (136 OPS+, 1967)
1B- Orlando Cepeda (164 OPS+, 1967)
1B- Jack Clark (178 OPS+, 1987)
3B- Joe Torre (171 OPS+, 1971)
OF- Willie Stargell (187 OPS+, 1971, 1973)
OF- Roberto Clemente (170 OPS+, 1967)
OF- Mike Easler (168 OPS+, 1980)
CF- Willie McGee (148 OPS+, 1985)
CF- Andy Van Slyke (151 OPS+, 1992)
CF- Ray Lankford (159 OPS+, 1997)
SP- Joe Magrane (160 ERA+, 1988)
SP- Bob Tewksbury (157 ERA+, 1992)
SP- Chris Carpenter (151 ERA+, 2005)

Looking for: CF, 2B, SP, RP

[Westlake]

Copying Evan, here's my trade bait...


Too bad you couldn't copy me in making all your shots in beer pong this week. :rolleyes:

I'm still eyeing Clemente (get on aim). What about Endy Chavez. He will make that catch every time.

[Wade8813]

Oh, also the bench is still useful for pinch hitters, pinch runners, etc.

[Wade8813]

I traded Westlake Tony Gwynn for Billy Wagner. He'll confirm.

[Westlake]

I traded Westlake Tony Gwynn for Billy Wagner. He'll confirm.

Confirmed..

[Windy City Fan]

I'll take the Rockies.

[Erik Bedard]

This rule throws a wrench in my plans. I had originally planned to have Paul Molitor start at 3B and Biggio catch. Of course, Morgan Ensberg had other ideas about the first one, but I still have no decent catchers aside from Ernie Whitt. I'd prefer if it were 162 games at a position for the franchise you chose.

[ronnie5]

Erik and I have made a trade. He gets Mark McGwire and I get Jeff Bagwell (and his 1994, woooooooo). Erik will confirm.

[Erik Bedard]

I confirm.

[plask_stirlac]

My impression was that we were basically taking any season as is but over 162 for the strike years. We match historical seasons against each other, going all out with what did take place and not what a player would theoretically put up somewhere in his prime.

Armando Benitez is not a true Marlin and his 2004 was an outlier season, but that campaign is part of Florida history and available for use. He played for them now he plays for me, like we're entering Spring Training 2004.

I think the hitting should go with the fielding, that season. If Biggio was past his catching stage and hitting better, how can he catch? Does that represent his body of play and impact on Astros history that year?

[Minstrel]

I think the hitting should go with the fielding, that season. If Biggio was past his catching stage and hitting better, how can he catch? Does that represent his body of play and impact on Astros history that year?

Though I did so want to play 1990 Rickey in center, this makes sense.

[Erik Bedard]

All right, I'll go along with seasons. Just now I've got Greg Myers catching!

[Minstrel]

ESPNEWS is reporting an agreed-upon deal between the Oakland A's (Plus Yount) and the Fightin' Finbirds of indeterminate locale.

The Fightin' Finbirds will receive Dennis Eckersley and Jason Giambi, while the Athletics (Plus Yount) will receive Cal Ripken Jr. and Gary Sheffield.

Said Giambi, "While it's been my lifelong dream to play in Oakland, my lifelong dream has been to play for the hallowed Finbirds. My dad always wanted me to."

Cal Ripken Jr. was stoic as ever.

[-Kyle-]

Sorry I've been "out of it" recently...I have midterms coming up and baseball tryouts this week...I am going to try to get back on track.

[Minstrel]

By the way, I've added another section to my roster post, "On The Block," to list the guys I'm actively willing to trade. I can talk about guys in my starting lineup, rotation and bullpen too, but they will cost quite a bit more.

[Westlake]

Pretty much everyone on my team is available, for the right price.

[ronnie5]

Erik and I have made a trade: He gets Dave Parker, Ozzie Smith and Jason Kendall and I get Andy Pettitte and Billy Wagner. Erik will confirm.

[Erik Bedard]

Confirmed.

[538280]

Rules Clarification: Players are eligible from strike seasons if they play over 110 games, right?

Also, can we play a player at a position if he didn't play that specific position primarily in the specific season, but played a lot of it in his career?

Also, Dick Allen's 1972 season is on the trading block, if any of you are in need of a better 1Bman. #1 priority is a shortstop, #2 a starting pitcher.

[ronnie5]

Rules Clarification: Players are eligible from strike seasons if they play over 110 games, right?

Also, can we play a player at a position if he didn't play that specific position primarily in the specific season, but played a lot of it in his career?

Yes strike years are eligible if they played 110 games that season.

No, unfortunately. I thought the same thing, but they have to have played 40 games at that position the year you select. So, for example, Alex Rodriguez can't play SS for the Yankees since he hasn't played it in NY.

[plask_stirlac]

I confirm the Eckersley-Giambi trade.

During a break in the press conference Giambi went 1-3 with a double and walk and (.333/.500/.667) and Eckersley pitched a 1-2-3 9th.

[Windy City Fan]

LATE BREAKING NEWS: The Lightning make two trades to shore up their pitching staff. First they trade hard hitting prospect, Todd Helton, for left handed starter, Tom Glavine. Then outfielder, Bobby Murcer, is traded for another left handed starter Steve Carlton.

Ronnie and Sockeye will confirm.

[Sockeye]

Trade with WCF confirmed.

Minor league pitcher Tom Glavine was sent to the Lightning in return for minor leaguer Todd Helton.

Todd Helton has been called up, Andres Galarraga has been designated for assignment.

[ronnie5]

Confirmed.

[538280]

I would like to announce a trade between me and Westlake. Westlake will get Dick Allen and Keith Foulke and I will get Dick McAuliffe and Hank Aguirre. Westlake, please confirm.

[Westlake]

I would like to announce a trade between me and Westlake. Westlake will get Dick Allen and Keith Foulke and I will get Dick McAuliffe and Hank Aguirre. Westlake, please confirm.

Confirmed.

[plask_stirlac]

Has anyone not made a trade? Heh.

[-Kyle-]

Has anyone not made a trade? Heh.
I have not

[The Dude]

Nor have I.

[ronnie5]

Looking for a good 2B. I don't really want to have Edgar Renteria playing second... I've got plenty of bats chilling on the bench or in the minors, so make me some offers.

[Westlake]

Guys left on my block....

Etiher 2Bman... Edgardo Alfonzo (150 OPS+) or Lou Whitaker (142 OPS+)

Centerfielder Carlos Beltran 153 OPS+, 85 % SB

C - Gary Carter - .281/.365/.488, OPS+ 139

C - Bill Freehan - .282/.389/.447, OPS+ 144

1B - Cecil Fielder - .277/.377/.592, 167 OPS+

Al Leiter (170 ERA+)

And MANY very good pitchers in my bullpen.

I'm looking for either a #3 starter or a big bat in the outfield.

[TheKingofKings]

Guys left on my block....

Etiher 2Bman... Edgardo Alfonzo (150 OPS+) or Lou Whitaker (142 OPS+)

Centerfielder Carlos Beltran 153 OPS+, 85 % SB

C - Gary Carter - .281/.365/.488, OPS+ 139

C - Bill Freehan - .282/.389/.447, OPS+ 144

1B - Cecil Fielder - .277/.377/.592, 167 OPS+

Al Leiter (170 ERA+)

And MANY very good pitchers in my bullpen.

I'm looking for either a #3 starter or a big bat in the outfield.

Jim Edmonds is available...

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

If anyone is interested, My intire team is my trading block.

[Westlake]

when was the last time a team was picked?

[Windy City Fan]

3/20 2:00 central time, I picked the Padres, leaving Mark with the Devil Rays as the 30th pick. The draft section is complete. When do the games begin?

[Westlake]

3/20 2:00 central time, I picked the Padres, leaving Mark with the Devil Rays as the 30th pick. The draft section is complete. When do the games begin?

I thought you picked the Rockies? :confused:

[Windy City Fan]

I thought you picked the Rockies? :confused:

You're right. I was hoping to get the Pads, but they went the pick before and I was left with the Rockies. (Since I knew I wasn't taking the Devil Rays) My mistake.

[Erik Bedard]

3/20 2:00 central time, I picked the Padres, leaving Mark with the Devil Rays as the 30th pick. The draft section is complete. When do the games begin?


The games begin as soon as everyone lists a team name and a final roster, including the year you choose. Then I'll input them into OOTP (this may take a while), and I'll run some seasons, with injuries off and player fatigue on normal. I will use the modifiers for 2006, since I don't feel like creating a whole new game just to figure out the modifiers.

[ronnie5]

Sockeye and I have made a trade. He gets Brian Giles and I get Joe Torre. Sockeye will confirm.

[Sockeye]

Trade confirmed

It's always tough to give up a top notch catching prospect like Torre.
This Giles kid is going to do some good things for our ballclub though.

In other news related to this deal

Brian Giles has been recalled from AAA
Dale Murphy has been designated for assignment

[Erik Bedard]

Quick question: Danny Darwin pitched 163.2 innings in 1990, and made 17 starts among his 48 appearances. Is he eligible as both a reliever and starter this year?

[Wade8813]

Yeah, I think he can be eligible as a reliever or a starter.

[Erik Bedard]

MEMO TO ALL DRAFTORS: Please have your final rosters in by a date that Wade sets, and preliminary rosters in ASAP.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Sam gets:

Dale Murphy

Sockeye Gets:

Rafael Palmiero

Confirming time. :)

[Sockeye]

I've completed a deal with SamtheBravesFan.

Dale Murphy in return for Rafael Palmeiro

SamtheBravesFan will confirm

[SamtheBravesFan]

I've completed a deal with SamtheBravesFan.

Dale Murphy in return for Rafael Palmeiro

SamtheBravesFan will confirm

Ding ding. :D I confirm. :dance

[Wade8813]

I traded Ronnie5 Jake Peavy and Joe Morgan for Bob Veale and Vern Law. I then traded Veale and Kevin Mitchell to SamtheBravesFan for Sosa.

[Minstrel]

MEMO TO ALL DRAFTORS: Please have your final rosters in by a date that Wade sets, and preliminary rosters in ASAP.

Preliminary roster:

The Oakland A's (plus Robin Yount)

Batting Lineup
LF Rickey Henderson : 1988 -- 188 OPS+ / 65 SB (87%)
2B Robin Yount : 1982 -- 166 OPS+
DH Gary Sheffield : 1996 -- 190 OPS+
1B Mark McGwire : 1996 -- 203 OPS+
RF Reggie Jackson : 1969 -- 187 OPS+
SS Cal Ripken Jr. : 1991 -- 162 OPS+
3B Paul Molitor : 1987 -- 161 OPS+
CF Dave Henderson : 1988 -- 149 OPS+
CA Gene Tenace : 1976 -- 148 OPS+


Starting Rotation
LHP Vida Blue : 1971 -- 183 ERA+ / 312 IP
LHP Barry Zito : 2002 -- 169 ERA+ / 229.3 IP
RHP Jeff D'Amico : 2000 -- 169 ERA+ / 162.3 IP
LHP Teddy Higuera : 1988 -- 162 ERA+ / 227.3 IP
LHP Mike Caldwell : 1978 -- 160 ERA+ / 293.3 IP


Bullpen
Rollie Fingers : 1981 -- 332 ERA+ [Closer]
Huston Street : 2005 -- 261 ERA+ [Fireman : no specific time, just any major jam late in game]
Gene Nelson : 1990 -- 237 ERA+ [Set-Up]
Cal Eldred : 1992 -- 214 ERA+ [Set-Up]
Keith Foulke : 2003 -- 205 ERA+ [Set-Up]
Justin Duchscherer : 2005 -- 204 ERA+ [Long Man]
Steve Ontiveros : 1985 -- 200 ERA+ [Long Man]
Rollie Fingers : 1973 -- 185 ERA+ [Long Man]


Bench
OF Jose Canseco : 1988 -- 170 OPS+ [pinch-hitter in close-and-late situation for a lesser hitter]
SS Miguel Tejada : 2002 -- 122 OPS+ / 34 HR [pinch-runner / infielder replacement]
CA Terry Steinbach : 1996 -- 120 OPS+ [catcher replacement]

[-Kyle-]

Ok im almost caught up...

[Westlake]

Preliminary Roster

Brooklyn Robins


Batting Order:

1.SS Alan Trammell, 1987
2.LF Tony Gwynn, 1994
3.1B Norm Cash, 1961
4.DH Dick Allen, 1972
5.RF Hank Aaron, 1971
6.3B Howard Johnson, 1989
7.CF Al Kaline, 1966
8.C Mike Piazza, 2000
9.2B Edgardo Alfonzo, 2000

Rotation:

1.Doc Gooden, 1985
2.Tom Seaver, 1971
3.Jon Matlack, 1978
4.Jerry Koosman, 1969
5.Al Leiter, 1998

Spot Starter: Pedro Martinez, 2005


Bullpen:

#1 John Hiller, 1973
Jesse Orosco, 1983
Willie Hernandez, 1984
Tug McGraw, 1971
Bill Apodaca, 1975
Armando Benitez, 1999
Terry Fox, 1961


Bench:

Darryl Strawberry, 1987
Gary Carter, 1985
Ron LeFlore, 1979

[Sockeye]

Preliminary roster

Arizona Braves

LINEUP

1. Brian Giles - 2002 .298/.450/.622/38 HR/15 SB (RF) 173 OPS+
2. Rafael Palmeiro - 1999 .324/.420/.630/47 HR (DH) 160 OPS+
3. Chipper Jones - 1999 .319/.441/.663/45 HR (3B) 175 OPS+
4. Todd Helton - 2000 .372/.463/.698/42 HR (1B) 158 OPS+
5. Luis Gonzalez - 2001 .325/.429/.688/57 HR (LF) 176 OPS+
6. Javy Lopez - 2003 .328/.378/.687/43 HR (C) 174 OPS+
7. Andruw Jones - 2005 .263/.347/.575/51 HR (CF) 133 OPS+
8. Jay Bell - 1999 .289/.374/.557/38 HR (2B) 135 OPS+
9. Jeff Blauser - 1997 .308/.405/.482/17 HR (SS) 130 OPS+

BENCH

Rico Carty - 1970 .366/.454/.584/25 HR (DH) 170 OPS+
Gary Sheffield - 2003 .330/.419/.604/39 HR/18 SB (RF) 167 OPS+
Fred McGriff - 1994 .318/.389/.623/34 HR (1B) 157 OPS+
J D Drew - 2004 .305/.436/.569/31 HR/12 SB (RF) 158 OPS+
Brian McCann - 2006 .333/.388/.572/24 HR (C) 146 OPS+
Davey Johnson - 1973 .270/.370/.546/43 HR (2B) 143 OPS+


STARTING ROTATION

Greg Maddux - 1995 209.7 IP/1.63 ERA/0.81 WHIP 259 ERA+
Randy Johnson - 2004 245.7 IP/2.60 ERA/0.90 WHIP 171 ERA+
Denny McLain - 1968 336.0 IP/1.96 ERA/0.91 WHIP 154 ERA+
Curt Schilling - 2002 259.3 IP/3.23 ERA/0.97 WHIP 136 ERA+
Pat Jarvis - 1968 256.0 IP/2.60 ERA/0.98 WHIP 115 ERA+

BULLPEN

John Smoltz - 2003 64.3 IP/1.12 ERA/0.87 WHIP/45 SV 371 ERA+
Gene Garber - 1978 117.0 IP/2.15 ERA/0.92 WHIP/25 SV 181 ERA+
Hoyt Wilhelm - 1969 78.0 IP/2.19 ERA/0.92 WHIP/14 SV 160 ERA+
Juan Berenguer - 1991 64.3 IP/2.24 ERA/0.98 WHIP/17 SV 174 ERA+
Tom House - 1974 102.7 IP/1.93 ERA/0.98 WHIP/11 SV 196 ERA+

[ronnie5]

I traded Ronnie5 Jake Peavy and Joe Morgan for Bob Veale and Vern Law. I then traded Veale and Kevin Mitchell to SamtheBravesFan for Sosa.

Confirmed.

[ronnie5]

Bellaire Bombers Part Deuce

Batting Lineup

SS: Alex Rodriguez, 2001 (164 OPS+)
DH: Albert Pujols, 2003 (189 OPS+)
LF: Barry Bonds, 1992 (205 OPS+)
1B: Jeff Bagwell, 1994 (213 OPS+)
RF: Willie Stargell, 1973 (187 OPS+)
3B: Scott Rolen, 2004 (160 OPS+)
CF: Bobby Murcer, 1971 (181 OPS+)
C: Joe Torre, 1966 (157 OPS+)
2B: Joe Morgan, 1982 (135 OPS+)

Starting Rotation

RHP: Bob Gibson, 1968 (258 ERA+, 0.853 WHIP)
RHP: John Tudor, 1985 (183 ERA+, 0.938 WHIP)
RHP: Jake Peavy, 2004 (177 ERA+, 1.196 WHIP)
LHP: Andy Pettitte, 2005 (174 ERA+, 1.030 WHIP)
LHP: John Candelaria, 1977 (171 ERA+, 1.071 WHIP)

Bullpen
RHRP: Kent Tekulve, 1983 (227 ERA+, 1.152 WHIP)
LHRP: Steve Kline, 2001 (240 ERA+, 1.093 WHIP)
LHRP: Joe Hoerner, 1966 (234 ERA+, 1.026 WHIP)
RHRP: Bruce Sutter, 1984 (226 ERA+, 1.076 WHIP)
LHRP: Al Hrabowsky, 1975 (227 ERA+, 1.079 WHIP)
RHRP: Tom Henke, 1995 (232 ERA+, 1.104 WHIP)
RHRP: Goose Gossage, 1977 (246 ERA+, 0.955 WHIP)
CL: Billy Wagner, 1999 (277 ERA+, 0.777 WHIP)

Bench
OF: Willie McGee, 1985 (148 OPS+, 56 SB) [pinch-runner]
1B: Jack Clark, 1987 (178 OPS+) [pinch-hitter]
C: Ted Simmons, 1978 (148 OPS+) [catcher replacement]

[SamtheBravesFan]

Starting Lineup

SS: Toby Harrah, 1975
2B: Ryne Sandberg, 1990
1B: Derrek Lee, 2005
RF: Sammy Sosa, 2001
LF: Billy Williams, 1972
CF: Jim Edmonds, 2004
DH: Dale Murphy, 1987
3B: Ron Santo, 1964
C: Rick Wilkins, 1993

Bench

BN: RF Juan Gonzalez, 1993
BN: LF Frank Howard, 1969
BN: SS Ernie Banks, 1961
BN: 3B Buddy Bell, 1980
BN: CF Don Lock, 1964
BN: C Ivan Rodriguez, 1999

Rotation

SP: Mark Prior, 2003
SP: Greg Maddux, 1992
SP: Fergie Jenkins, 1971
SP: Nolan Ryan, 1989
SP: Fergie Jenkins, 1974

Bullpen

SR: John Wetteland, 1998
SR: Jeff Russell, 1989
MR: Lee Smith, 1983
LR: Francisco Cordero, 2004
SU: Jim Kern, 1979
CL: Bruce Sutter, 1977

[plask_stirlac]

C - Chris Hoiles 1993, 163; Ivan Rodriguez 2003, 124
1B - Jim Gentile 1961, 184
2B - Roberto Alomar 1996, 137; Brian Roberts 2005, 145
3B - Miguel Cabrera 2006, 159; Brooks Robinson 1964, 145
SS - Miguel Tejada 2004, 126
LF - Boog Powell 1964, 176; Ken Singleton 1977, 165
CF - Brady Anderson 1996, 157; Paul Blair 1967, 136
RF - Frank Robinson 1966 199; Ken Singleton 1977
DH - Jason Giambi 2001 (via trade) 202

Lineup: Cabrera
Giambi
Robinson
Gentile
Powell
Anderson
Hoiles
Tejada
Alomar

I've never simmed a full season at once, but Pudge should spell Hoiles not too often, once a week if there's an off day. Roberts is the PR.

SP - Kevin Brown 1996, 214 ERA+
SP - Jim Palmer 1975, 169
SP - Dave McNally 1968, 150
SP - Mike Mussina 1992, 159
SP - Dontrelle Willis 2006, 153
CL - Dennis Eckersley 1990 (via trade) 606
RP - Armando Benitez 2004, 317
RP - Bryan Harvey 1993, 246
RP - B.J. Ryan 2004, 210
RP - Gregg Olson 1989, 225
RP - Robb Nen 1996, 205
RP - Randy Myers 1997, 291

Olson and Nen are long, Myers and Ryan are lefty specialists (maybe long) for Ryan, Benitez and Harvey are setup, Eckersley closes.

[Minstrel]

I didn't change my roster, but I updated it with notes on bullpen usage.

[ronnie5]

I don't mean to be a snitch, but I was scanning people's preliminary rosters- Sockeye, Jay Bell didn't play SS in 1999... I didn't check to make sure everyone was eligible, but I was actually old enough to remember the 1999 season, and I know Bell didn't play SS that year. Sorry...

[Westlake]

I don't mean to be a snitch.

What a snitch....


Anyway...

I have agreed to trade Denny McLain to Sockeye for Hank Aaron. Waiting for confirmation.

[Sockeye]

Trade confirmed!

[538280]

Minnesota Twins/Chicago White Sox

C: Joe Mauer 2006 .337/.426/.467 144
1B: Frank Thomas 1994 .346/.477/.678 212
2B: Rod Carew 1975 .366/.427/.520 157
3B: Harmon Killebrew 1969 .285/.428/.604 179
SS: Dick McAuliffe 1966 .290/.394/.527 149
LF: Albert Belle 1998 .323/.395/.611 171
CF: Kirby Puckett 1988 .359/.383/.551 152
RF: Tony Oliva 1964 .333/.370/.558 150

C: Earl Battey 1963 .293/.382/.478 134
1B/OF: Bob Allison 1964 .296/.416/.554 164
SS: Luis Aparicio 1961 .276/.312/.346 79
UT: Cesar Tovar 1968 .297/.349/.413 107
OF: Jermaine Dye 2006 .299/.375/.562 152

SP-Wilbur Wood 1971 L 188
SP-Johan Santana 2004 L 182
SP-Hank Aguirre 1962 L 185
SP-Joe Horlen 1964 R 183
SP-Bert Blyleven 1973 R 158

RP-Hoyt Wilhelm 1964 R
RP-Doug Corbett 1980 R
RP-Joe Nathan 2004 R
RP-Roberto Hernandez 1996 R
RP-J.C. Romero 2002 L
RP-Bobby Thigpen 1990 R