1965 Rookie draft

[leecemark]

--Early selections may begin immediately. The clock begins at 8PM EST on Friday, March 16 when we will push through to the end of the 3rd round. The 4th through however many other rounds we have the time/intest foor will continue with 8 hour windows for picking until the start of the PFA at 8PM EST on the 23rd.

Round One
1 million dollar deals
1) Legends from Redbirds: Fergie Jenkins
2) Stingers: Jim Palmer (franchise player = 12M)
3) Shoeless Joes: Steve Carlton
4) Legends: Bill Hands
--Cannons pick forfeit due to playing time violations last season
750K deals
5) Shoeless Joes from Gamblers: Curt Blefary
6) Skipjacks from Redbirds from Pirates via Legends: Davey Johnson
7) Diablos: Jim Merritt
8) Gold Sox: John Hiller
500K players
9) Hard Cider: Roy White
10) Knights: Cesar Tovar
11) Redbirds from Skipjacks: Nelson Briles

Round Two
500K
12) Redbirds: Lee May
All further draftees will be 250K deals
13. Stingers - Bobby Murcer
14. Redbirds (from Shoeless Joes) - Darold Knowles
15. Legends - Bob Locker
16. Hard Cider (from Cannons) - Steve Hargan
17. Gamblers - Gary Wagner
18. Pirates - Larry Jaster
19. Legends (from Diablos) - Jim Lefebvre
20. Hard Cider (from Gold Sox) - Ken Holtzman
21. Hard Cider - Dick Selma
22. Knights - Tug McGraw
23. Skipjacks - Bobby Tolan
Round Three
24. Redbirds - Rudy May
25. Stingers - Catfish Hunter
26. Gold Sox (from Shoeless Joes) - Jim Lonborg
27. Legends - Art Shamsky
28. Cannons - Ken Henderson
29. Gamblers - Paul Casanova
30. Pirates - Ted Davidson
31. Diablos - Joe Coleman
32. Knights (from Gold Sox) - Jim McGlothlin
33. Hard Cider - Luke Walker
34. Skipjacks (from Knights) - Glen Beckert
35. Skipjacks - Paul Lindblad

Round 4
36) Redbirds: Horace Clarke
37) Stingers: Don Dennis
38) Gold Sox from Shoeless Joes: Mark Belanger
39) Legends: Ollie Brown
40) Cannons: JIm Ray
41) Gamblers: Bob Oliver
42) Pirates: Pass
43) Diablos: Greg Goosen
44) Gold Sox: Ron Swoboda
45) Hard Cider: Pete Cimino
46) Knights: Pass
47) Skipjacks: Pass

Round 5
48) Redbirds: Pass
49) Stingers: Rene Lachman
50) Gold Sox from Shoeless Joes: Mike Hedlund
51) Legends: Grant Jackson, Rob Gardner, Ted Uhleander
52) Cannons: Brant Alayea
53) Gamblers: Pass
54) Pirates: Pass
55) Diablos: Chuck Hartenstein
56) Gold Sox: Pass
57) Hard Cider: Pass
58) Knights: Pass
59) Skipjacks: Pass

[mac195]

The Legends own their own 2nd round pick. It was returned in the deal for Stu Miller.

[catcher24]

As promised, I'll make my pick. Just saw that the thread was up.

Lew's Legends begin the 1965 rookie draft by selecting right handed pitcher:

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FERGUSON (FERGIE) JENKINS

Legends management stated: "There were many good looking young arms in this year's draft, but we felt that Fergie had the most potential. He has a nice, smooth motion and we feel that will help prevent injury to his arm in the future. Of course, only time will tell, but we hold out high hopes for his future with this team."

When interviewed, Jenkins stated: "I was very pleased to be taken by the Legends. I know they are looking to the future and hoping to develop some young pitchers. I feel that I can contribute to the Legends' quest for a championship in the near future, and I look forward to a long and enjoyable stay with the team."

[mac195]

:laugh I love the hat. Nice pick Lew.

[catcher24]

Posted by Mac:
I love the hat

Yeah, did the best I could with a new graphics program (Gimp) that I'm trying to learn. Believe me, it isn't easy. Would you believe a total of about 4 hours to put that together?:eek: One of those deals where the first time is just totally and incredibly difficult, trying to learn everything at once!:noidea Anyway, now that I'm a little better versed perhaps it won't take nearly so long next time!

And thanks, I was hoping to get the first pick this year. I ended up trading for it, but I wanted to draft Jenkins. He produces the most the quickest and is quite steady over his career. Not as many peaks as the others (Carlton/Palmer) , but not the valleys, either. He has the same 115 ERA+ career wise as Carlton; has a better career WHIP (1.142 to Carlton's 1.247); and a better K/BB ratio (3.20 to 2.36). The disadvantage is he allowed more homers than Carlton (one every 9.3 IP to Carlton's one every 12.6 IP). But I can live with that.

[The Dude]

What's a first round draft pick?

[Edgartohof]

What's a first round draft pick?

Do you mean how much $?

1 M for the first 4,
750K for the next 4,
500K for the next 4, and
250K for anyone past that

[catcher24]

No, I think Wil is implying that he's traded his first rounder for a couple of years, and never gets one!:laugh

[Edgartohof]

No, I think Wil is implying that he's traded his first rounder for a couple of years, and never gets one!:laugh
Ah, I see!!!

[The Dude]

So far I've only had 2 first round picks. :/ But they're the reason I have a staff whose consistently good almost every year ... or are supposed to be.

[catcher24]

Well, you made a run last year, and your roster still looks good. A couple players could make the difference for you.

[Wasp]

The Stingers will take Jim Palmer as their number one draft pick.

Oh, and I will make him my franchise player as well.

[jkc32]

Shoeless selects Steve Carlton.

[ElHalo]

Hoping that the draft goes ahead and speeds up; as this the biggest holiday of the year for me, I'm going to be unavailable from Thursday through Sunday.

[leecemark]

Hoping that the draft goes ahead and speeds up; as this the biggest holiday of the year for me, I'm going to be unavailable from Thursday through Sunday.
--Please get a list to someone then. I doubt you'll get more than pick before Thursday and maybe none.

[catcher24]

Making Palmer a franchise player pick is an excellent move, Max, IMHO. Had that option been available to me, I may have taken him first; would've been a tossup between him, Jenkins and Carlton as a franchise player. But only having six years guaranteed to me, I had to go with Jenkins.

[catcher24]

With the fourth pick in the draft, the Legends select:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/five55/HA23967016.jpg

BILL HANDS, Pitcher

[jkc32]

With the 5th pick, the Shoeless Joe's bypass the urge to take another pitcher and fill an immediate need...Curt Blefary, OF.

[leecemark]

--I was hoping Hands would slip to me at #10, but I guess that wasn't ver realistic. Blefary is definately the quickest impact bat in the draft (and one of few players who will have a significant contribution this season).

[ElHalo]

--Please get a list to someone then. I doubt you'll get more than pick before Thursday and maybe none.

Hopefully I'll get to the first round pick (since I'm second in line). I'll get a list out after that.

[catcher24]

Nice pick on Blefary, Joe. I was very tempted myself, but at this point I already have two left handed hitting OF'ers waiting to arrive (Northrup and Staub). And Mark is dead on that Blefary will have an immediate impact. At this point, I would pick him as the favorite for ROY honors, although of course there will be teams with players who've been in the minors for a couple years that will be debuting full time this year, such as Rusty Staub and Tommy John for my Legends.

Hands won out over a couple of other pitchers I was looking at very closely. Of course, I won't mention any names because perhaps one will still slip to me in round two, although I doubt it. But my staff should now be pretty solid from 1967 through 1969.

[J W]

-TRADE-

The Redbirds are trading their upcoming pick, #6 overall, to the Skipjacks for their #11 and 14 overall picks.

The Skipjacks select:

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Davey Johnson

...please confirm.

[leecemark]

--The Redbirds confirm. EH, you can make the Diablos pick whenever you're ready.

[jkc32]

Nice pick on Blefary, Joe. I was very tempted myself, but at this point I already have two left handed hitting OF'ers waiting to arrive (Northrup and Staub). And Mark is dead on that Blefary will have an immediate impact. At this point, I would pick him as the favorite for ROY honors, although of course there will be teams with players who've been in the minors for a couple years that will be debuting full time this year, such as Rusty Staub and Tommy John for my Legends.

Thanks. I should be able to get 3 quality years out of him, and really wanted an impact bat this season, so he was the logical choice for my team.

Like others, Hands was on my short list. Your pitching should be set through the end of the decade now.

[ElHalo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/Iemerritt.jpg/180px-Iemerritt.jpg

Jim Merritt. Was very torn on this one with another player who I see as an almost exact tossup.

[leecemark]

--Gold sox pick when ready.

[catcher24]

I think you made a great pick, Jim. I almost took him over Hands with the fourth pick! I was very torn. His last three years really don't look great on the surface, but check the WHIP and K/BB and this guy has it working.

Nice pick on Johnson, too, Jason. I was hoping with Blefary and all the pitchers that Johnson would somehow sneak through to my next pick.

[Erik Bedard]

Wow. I don't think I've ever been this torn between three guys in ANY draft. When I consider two guys as much of a wash as I consider the two leading candidates for this pick, I go with the Canadian. Who, in this case, is

JOHN HILLER.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/john_hiller_autograph.jpg

[Edgartohof]

Did I ever say that this draft is not fun...especially since I am STILL 11 picks out from my FIRST pick!!!!!

That's why one should never trade away 1st rounders!

There are 11 picks until I get one, and really, only 7 guys that I really want. Here's hoping I get at least 1 of them.

I am just kidding about the whole not being fun part. It is exciting to see which players I don't get :)

[mac195]

http://www.vintagecardtraders.org/virtual/71topps_super/71topps_super-26.jpg

[ElHalo]

http://www.vintagecardtraders.org/virtual/71topps_super/71topps_super-26.jpg

I was strongly considering him with my pick. Excellent choice.

[leecemark]

--I had White as the best position player in the draft. He wasn't a real need for me though, so I'm glad to claim Cesar Tovar.
--Smokey Braithwaite says "Our scouts really love this kid. He is the fastest player amoung the top pospects and athletic enough to play almost anywhere on the diamond. We aren't sure how well his power will develop, but he really drills the line drives. We're sure he'll hit for average anyway. He could be in the majors by 1966 and starting by 67."

[leecemark]

--The Redbirds select Nelson Briles with the last pick of the first round and Lee May with the first pick of the 2nd.

[mac195]

I had White as the best position player in the draft
As did I, although that isn't really saying too much this year. I'll wait three, then get three good years from him.

[leecemark]

--Stingers pick whenever ready.

[catcher24]

I probably would've taken Blefary ahead of White, only because of the short term productivity. Long term, White or Tovar would've been my pick. Tovar is especially useful, since he plays so many positions. Sorry to see both of them taken before I got another pick! That pretty much eliminates any position players I was looking at (well, maybe one more), so I guess I'll be concentrating on pitchers this entire draft, at least until very close to the end.
I think they've all been good picks so far, although I was a bit surprised White went quite so high. Three good years, then a free agent. But of course, the HD rule has to be considered, so I may have done the same!

[ElHalo]

--I had White as the best position player in the draft. He wasn't a real need for me though, so I'm glad to claim Cesar Tovar.
--Smokey Braithwaite says "Our scouts really love this kid. He is the fastest player amoung the top pospects and athletic enough to play almost anywhere on the diamond. We aren't sure how well his power will develop, but he really drills the line drives. We're sure he'll hit for average anyway. He could be in the majors by 1966 and starting by 67."

I don't know why you're qualifying that with "almost." In 1968, he played C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, LF, CF, RF, and P (all in the same game). And he's got a lifetime ERA of 0.00.

[leecemark]

--As a reminder the timed portion of the draft commences at 8PM EST tonight. The Stingers clock will expire at 8:05 if Max hasn't picked before then. If he has, then whoever is up at that point will be on the clock. Clock is 5 minutes until the end of the third round, 8 hours after that.
--Its possible I won't be home for the official start of the draft. If so, I've asked Lew to keep things moving. ve also provded him a list (and forwarded your list, Scott). Hope to see you all this evening, but if not - have fun!

[Wasp]

The Stingers will pick Bobby Murcer.

[ElHalo]

The Stingers will pick Bobby Murcer.

I suppose it was just wishful thinking to hope he would last till my next pick in the third round...

[catcher24]

I'm a bit surprised he went this early, though. I had him pegged much later in the draft. He only provides 1969 and 1970, then he's a free agent. Granted, the HT rule will help, but someone still might outbid for him, especially with those big seasons he has in 71 and 72. I hope it works out well for you Max, but he'd be too risky for my taste this early!:D

[catcher24]

Guess that puts JW up. And then me. BTW, Mark, I got your message and will cover if need be.

[catcher24]

OK, I'm here and ready to go at 8PM. That's about 20 minutes by my watch.

OK, I see the Fever clock is still a bit behind. It shows 26 minutes to go. We'll use that as our starting time.

[J W]

Um, this should be the Redbirds' pick... I traded #14 along with #11 to move up to #6 and grab Davey Johnson.

I may have been mistaken but I didn't think Davey would've lasted until #11... I had him rated as the best infielder by far in this draft (though a couple "utility" players, including Cesar Tovar, aren't that far off)... and we sorely needed a 2B for the future.

And besides, with Johnson and McNally we've gotten back a little Oriole flavor we lost when Brooks left :) .

[catcher24]

Time Check

Anyone else here?

[Edgartohof]

Just letting you know I'm here...kind of. I'm at work, so my attendance my be a bit sporadic. Is there someone I could give a couple names to for my first/second pick just in case?

[catcher24]

OK, so that #14 should be the Redbirds pick then. I have Scott's list, but I think we have to wait until 8:05 to see if he posts or not.

[catcher24]

Robert - I've got Mark's and Scott's in case they can't be here (in Mark's case, just late; don't know about Scott). If you want to fire me a list, or get it to JW, that'd be fine, since it looks like we're both here.

[mac195]

I'm here, and happy to pick for someone if need be.

[Wasp]

Just posting to say that I'm here.

[jkc32]

Shoeless checking in

[catcher24]

Good, looks like most owners are here! Just a couple more minutes, then it's the Redbirds' pick at #14. As posted above, I'll give Scott until 8:05, then I'll make his pick from the list I have.

[catcher24]

Time check

[ElHalo]

I happen to be here, on the off chance my third round pick comes up.

[catcher24]

It's 8:05, so I'll make Scott's pick from his list.

The Redbirds select pitcher DAROLD KNOWLES.

[catcher24]

Welcome, Jim. I'll make my pick momentarily.

[catcher24]

The Legends select pitcher

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BOB LOCKER

[catcher24]

And I'm really surprised he lasted this long!

Mac up, with his pick from the Cannons.

[catcher24]

Mac, you're on the clock.

[mac195]

HC is very pleased to be able to select P Steve Hargan

[catcher24]

Great pick, Mac. I'm a bit surprised Hargan lasted this long as well, but there were a LOT of good pitchers in this draft. I'm not happy,and Mark won't be either.

GAMBLERS ON THE CLOCK.

[catcher24]

Anyone know if Dudecar is on tonight?

[mac195]

Looks like he isn't here.

[catcher24]

Wil, if you're here, please make your pick.

[catcher24]

OK, it's been seven minutes. We'll move along, and the Gamblers can make that pick when they have the chance.

PIRATES ARE ON THE CLOCK.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm here... though if the plan is to only go three rounds, I don't know why I'm here.

[J W]

I actually gave Bob Locker an "A" grade, one of only two in this draft (the other being Jenkins). I may have fell for the "drafting for need" problem but that's a great pick Lew.

With Hargan gone, I only have one player left with a "B" grade... good job again drafting guys.

[catcher24]

Hey, Jason, you wanna PM me the name of the player you have graded B?:laugh :D

[Erik Bedard]

Locker was one of the three guys I was debating over when I took Hiller. Still one of them left.

[catcher24]

I know Robert (Edgartohof) checked in, but he said he was at work and would be in and out. I'll give him a couple more minutes, then make my pick.

[catcher24]

Posted by Dan:
Locker was one of the three guys I was debating over when I took Hiller. Still one of them left.

Yeah, but the one I think is your third choice will be gone soon. Not by me, but I think he's on Mark's list.

[mac195]

Wait, I have Edgar's pick

[mac195]

Pitates pick P Larry Jaster.

[catcher24]

You making it for Edgar, Mac? I have it listed as his pick. You do have a couple more coming up soon.

[catcher24]

OK, I had Jaster on my list, but much further down. Thanks for getting that in, Mac.

[Erik Bedard]

Not like he'd last to the fourth round anyway. Though if anyone doesn't like what they see left on the board, I'd be willing to buy one from you.

[catcher24]

The Legends, although seriously considering another pitcher, feel that they have bolstered their staff sufficiently, and select infielder

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JIM LEFEBVRE

And I think I even spelled it right!:p

[catcher24]

mac, On The Clock For Two Picks!

[catcher24]

Mac, you'll have a couple extra minutes. I have to stoke the fire. Having a major snow storm here in lovely Western New York. Be back in about five minutes.

[mac195]

HC select pitchers Ken Holtzman and Dick Selma.

[Erik Bedard]

Drat. There goes my third choice. Top two are still on the board if someone wants to swing a deal.

[catcher24]

Great picks, Mac. I was hoping Holtzman would slip through, but with this group I should've known better!

KNIGHTS ON THE CLOCK!

[catcher24]

Looks like Mark isn't here yet, so I'll make the pick from his list.

The Knights select pitcher TUG McGRAW.

[catcher24]

skipjacks On The Clock!

[Erik Bedard]

Looks like Mark isn't here yet, so I'll make the pick from his list.

The Knights select pitcher TUG McGRAW.

.... and there goes numero uno.

[catcher24]

That's rather what I thought and it's who I was thinking of when I posted earlier. Mark had Tug at the top of his list.

[catcher24]

But I'm really curious who your SECOND choice is.

[catcher24]

Jason, I need the Skipjacks' pick, please.

[Erik Bedard]

Yup, pitcher was by far number one on my wants/needs list, and once Jenkins, Carlton, and Palmer were gone, I needed closers more than anything. I had Hiller first, Locker second, and McGraw third.

[catcher24]

Hiller ahead of Locker, huh? I had Locker right at the top of my reliever list from the start, and when I took Hands with my second pick in the first round, I never dreamed he'd still be around for my second round pick. I really gave my staff a boost this draft.

[Erik Bedard]

But I'm really curious who your SECOND choice is.

Right now? If I had a pick, you'd see.

[catcher24]

It's been ten minutes, and my good friend and fellow owner Jason has not made a selection for the Skipjacks. Jason, please make it when you can. I am moving along to the Redbirds selection.

[catcher24]

Making the Redbirds selection from Scott's list.

The Redbirds select pitcher RUDY MAY.

[catcher24]

wasp's Stingers Are On The Clock!

[jkc32]

Shoeless is willing to deal the rest of our picks for a 2nd rounder in any draft before 1971. My next pick is the next pick.

[Erik Bedard]

How about 1970?

[jkc32]

Deal. You pick right after the Stingers.

[Wasp]

Well, I'm kind of running out of options, but I'll pick Catfish Hunter to be an innings eater.

[catcher24]

I thought about offering you my second rounder in 1969, but that wouldn't be fair really, since that is likely to be an expansion year, and the pick would likely be equivalent to a third rounder! Couldn't do that to you, Joe!

[catcher24]

Ok, The Deal Was Made.
gold Sox On The Clock! Now We'll See Who That Second Choice Was!

[Wasp]

BTW, how will expansion work? Which players will we have to give up?

[jkc32]

I thought about offering you my second rounder in 1969, but that wouldn't be fair really, since that is likely to be an expansion year, and the pick would likely be equivalent to a third rounder! Couldn't do that to you, Joe!

I would have taken it. Turns out the guy I was going to take, Catfish Hunter, went right before my pick anyway.

[Erik Bedard]

Wow, do I feel like an idiot. Hunter was my next pick.

[catcher24]

Don't know yet, but you'll have a chance to offer input when we discuss it. Probably start deciding after the 1966 or 1967 season.

[Erik Bedard]

Since Hunter was taken, I guess I'll go with a guy who is a pretty steep drop off, but at least he has that one great season, and can eat some innings until then: JIM LONBORG.

[catcher24]

Joe, I didn't want to try and pull one over on you. Don't believe in that.

Dan, must be Hunter was that #2 man. Have to choose someone else now, and the clock is ticking!:crazy :confused: :noidea

[J W]

I'm back, sorry

for the years '69-'70, my centerfielder will be:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/five55/.mids/HA280474.jpg
Bobby Tolan

[jkc32]

[QUOTE=catcher24]Joe, I didn't want to try and pull one over on you. Don't believe in that.

I appreciate it.

When is the PFA again?

[catcher24]

You could've done worse, Dan. Looking at the six seasons, Lonborg is almost as good as Hunter. I don't think you did too bad, other than losing that Hometown Discount advantage when Hunter hits free agency.

[Erik Bedard]

Lew, wouldn't there be more good rookies available in an MLB expansion year? It seems to me like it'd be proportional, and that a second-rounder would be a second-rounder.

[catcher24]

JW, couldn'y you have waited five more minutes? He was my next pick. If you don't believe me, I had the picture:
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/five55/HA280474.jpg

[catcher24]

Lots more rookies, Dan, but not any more really good ones. Lots of borderline or two year players.

Jason threw a wrench into my pick, and my time is up, so I'll let the Cannons go on the clock. I'll make my pick when I decide.

CANNONS ON THE CLOCK!

[catcher24]

BTW, Jason, was that the other B level player?

[J W]

Jim Lefebvre was the other player graded "B". So, touche. :D

[catcher24]

OK, I don't really need another outfielder, but the pickings are gettin' a bit slim, so I'll take this guy. He'll be a decent reserve/pinch hitter.

http://i20.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/91/db/c88d_1.JPG

ART SHAMSKY

[mac195]

Pretty slim alright. Shamsky's a beanpole.

[catcher24]

If you'd have been five minutes longer, I would've touche' ed you twice!! (Is that a word?);) :p

[catcher24]

Looks like Chris isn't here, either. It's been ten minutes, so

GAMBLERS ON THE CLOCK!

Chris, make the pick when (and if) you want to.

[catcher24]

Pretty slim alright. Shamsky's a beanpole.
Geez, Mac, I liked Shamansky better!;) Yeah, he's a bean pole alright!

[Wasp]

Lew, when I start to sign free agents that are not those who are bid off to owners, do I pay them the minimum?

[mac195]

Geez, Mac, I liked Shamansky better!;) Yeah, he's a bean pole alright!
He's a good pick... just looks really skinny in that picture.

[catcher24]

The Gamblers missed an earlier pick also, so I'll have to assume Wil isn't here and keep moving. Not much left anyway at this point.

PIRATES ON THE CLOCK!

Mac, do you have their list still, or are all those names gone now?

[mac195]

I have the Pirates' next pick.

[catcher24]

OK, Mac, fire it up there when ready!

[Erik Bedard]

I'm still interested in picking, especially because I have three guys on my roster who didn't have a single appearance in 1965, and I need all the help I can get.

[mac195]

Pirates take P Ted Davidson.

[catcher24]

Actually, Davidson is a decent pick for 1965. I considered him before taking Shamsky, but Art sticks around a lot longer and makes a very decent reserve.

[Erik Bedard]

I've got to go soon. Anyone mind taking my list?

[catcher24]

I'm still interested in picking,

There are only five more picks to go, Dan, then it goes on the eight hour clock after the first three rounds. I have the Diablos on the clock, then the Knights with a pick they got from you, then Mac, and Jason finishes with two picks.

DIABLOS ON THE CLOCK!

[Erik Bedard]

Ah. So a list won't be necessary.

[catcher24]

Dan, you won't need the list. After the five picks I mentioned, the Redbirds will have up to eight hours to pick; when they pick, the next team (Stingers) has up to eight hours to pick, and so on until everyone is done picking.

[catcher24]

Right. Boy, we need to set up a chat room or something for these things!

[catcher24]

Posted by Wasp:
Lew, when I start to sign free agents that are not those who are bid off to owners, do I pay them the minimum?

That's correct to an extent, Max. Next Friday is the Premium Free Agent Auction, where the players go on the block one at a time, and remain there until signed by someone (or no one bids). When that is done, it goes to the regular FA auction. That covers two or three days. You can bid on any player, posting the amount of your bid. Other owners can post higher bids. Then, in the last hour, only one bid per post is allowed, and whoever has the highest bid on a player at the end of that hour gets the player. Finally, anyone not taken in either auction can be picked up, first come, first served, at the minimum 250K.

Hope that answered your question. If not, PM me.

[catcher24]

No selection from the Diablos. We'll move along.

The Knights are next, I'll make the pick from Mark's list.

The Knights select pitcher Jim McGlothlin.

[catcher24]

Mac had to go, and sent me a two player list. I'll select the top player for him.

The Hard Cider choose Luke Walker.

[catcher24]

Jason, that leaves your two picks!

SKIPJACKS UP FOR TWO PICKS!

[catcher24]

Looks like Jason has left the board as well (I feel like the Lone Ranger here). So that ends the first three rounds of the rookie draft. W

We now go on the eight hour clock. The Redbirds have until 6AM EST to make a pick, then the Stingers go on the clock.

The following have picks to make up:
Gamblers, two picks to make up
Skipjacks, two picks to make up
Cannons, one pick to make up
Diablos, one pick to make up

Make these whenever you want to.

Thanks everyone for a good draft!:waving

[J W]

Two picks?

OK... we'll take Glenn Beckert and Paul Lindblad.

[J W]

There are two more players we're intereted in drafting. I'll PM Mark with them. Otherwise, we're done, and very happy we got both Johnson and Beckert to lock down 2B. Thanx!

[ElHalo]

Nelson Briles. The fact that I was considering him with my first pick makes me confused.

[leecemark]

Briles was taken in the last pick of the first round

[Edgartohof]

I was hoping for Briles for my next pick, but a pitcher who can take up a bunch of innings, and has 5 years with an ERA+ to start their career...not a chance.

[The Dude]

Sorry I wasn't able to be here, was on a flight to Florida for spring break.

We'll take Pitcher Gary Wagner and C Paul Casanova.

[baseballPAP]

If it is indeed back to the Redbirds for the 4th round, I'll select Horace Clarke.

[Erik Bedard]

Mark, I believe I control the rest of the Shoeless Joes' picks until the end of the draft.

[leecemark]

--Stingers on the clock. Diablos and Cannons have make up picks pending. As a reminder, you don't have to continue making picks. Just post that you are passing the remainder of your picks so those who still have some roster filling to do can move along.
--Several teams have nearly full rosters now. You may not exceed 40 players. If you get there in the draft and want to participate in the free agent auctions you'll have to release someone. With the non-tender period closed, the salary of the released player will count against your cap for this season.

[catcher24]

-Several teams have nearly full rosters now.

What's a full roster? Mine is never full until after the secondary FA draft, and I usually need to pick up a couple guys even after!:p

[mac195]

Several teams have nearly full rosters now. You may not exceed 40 players. If you get there in the draft and want to participate in the free agent auctions you'll have to release someone.
In the past the rule has been that we can exceed 40 as long as we cut down to that number by opening day. I wasn't aware that there had been any changes made.

[leecemark]

==Actually Mac is correct. You don't have to cut the excess player(s) prior to the signing, just before the deadline for setting Opening Day rosters. Those cuts will count against your cap though.

[Wasp]

The Stingers pick Don Dennis.

[538280]

With my pick I take Larry Jaster

[leecemark]

--Jaster is already gone

[538280]

Okay, change the pick to Ken Henderson

[ElHalo]

Not sure how I missed the Briles thing. How about Joe Coleman?

[catcher24]

I show Henderson and Coleman as both available, so you guys should be set with those picks.
Max, decent pick on Dennis. He'll help you this year, but not much after that.

Mark, far as I can tell we are now right up to date on the draft, with the Gold Sox on the clock, and the Legends up next.

[Erik Bedard]

I'll take MARK BELANGER. Can't hit a lick, but provides good defense, and SS isn't a strong point for me.

[leecemark]

--Belanger gives you one good hitting season anyway. His 69 season is worth a 4th round pick all by itself.

[catcher24]

Belanger is a very decent pick for this far into the draft. Heck, just his glove is worth a fourth rounder.

[catcher24]

The Legends select outfielder

http://i1.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/91/85/baab_1.JPG

OLLIE BROWN

[baseballPAP]

The Redbirds are finished in this portion, and eagerly await the FA auction. The Mick in Cardinal Red? Only time and $$ will tell!

[catcher24]

Looks like the Cannons eight hour clock is expired, and the Gamblers are up now. I made the last pick at about 10:30PM last night. There are still a couple of guys I'm interested in if everyone else is done picking, but I have to imagine that some others are still interested in making some picks as well.

[leecemark]

Mark, I believe I control the rest of the Shoeless Joes' picks until the end of the draft.


--Was there a trade between you guys that I missed?

[Erik Bedard]

Shoeless is willing to deal the rest of our picks for a 2nd rounder in any draft before 1971. My next pick is the next pick.

This was the deal, and I gave up a 1970 2nd-rounder.

[catcher24]

Mark - I touched on that in my PM to you. Guess I didn't make it clear enough. Shoeless made the proposal, and Dan offered up his 2nd rounder in 1970 (Posts #95 thru 97). So he got all of Shoeless' picks remaining in this draft. And the player Dan made the trade to get (Catfish Hunter) went to Wasp immediately preceding, so Dan ended up with Jim Lonborg.

Sorry I didn't stress that enough in my PM to you.

[538280]

I'll take pitcher Jim Ray

[The Dude]

I'll take Bob Oliver.

[leecemark]

--The Knights pass their remaining picks. I was hoping for Jim Ray, mostly because he pitched for my high school, although before my time.

[catcher24]

I figure the Pirates 8 hour clock was up at about 11PM last night, and the Diablos was up at around 7AM or so this morning. That puts the Gold Sox up. If no one else wants to make any picks and everyone is going to pass, I still have at least one and maybe two players I would like to take.

[mac195]

I will probably make one more pick.

[Edgartohof]

I'm passing on any more picks

[Erik Bedard]

I'll take Ron Swoboda.

[catcher24]

Decent pick, Dan. That's one of the three or four I was still considering. I'm a bit surprised Swoboda lasted this long. He's not an all star by any means, but he has three seasons (out of the next six) above a 100 OPS+, and a couple others in the nineties - a cheap and decent reserve OF'er, at least for a couple of years until his salary doubles.

That puts you on the clock, Mac, until 9:00PM EST (not a clue that would be where you're at!:p ).

[ElHalo]

Greg Goossen. Oh, and there's somebody who could be a HUGE help to a team this very season who has yet to be picked, and it's confusing me as to why.

[mac195]

I'll make Pete Cimino P my last pick.

[leecemark]

Greg Goossen. Oh, and there's somebody who could be a HUGE help to a team this very season who has yet to be picked, and it's confusing me as to why.


--You can take that player if you wish. Unless I missed something you still have a makeup pick coming.

[ElHalo]

--You can take that player if you wish. Unless I missed something you still have a makeup pick coming.

I'm actually done drafting; I don't have a particular need for this guy, but somebody out there does.

[catcher24]

You can take that player if you wish. Unless I missed something you still have a makeup pick coming.

I show Jim taking nobody in the second round (I had his pick via trade); Joe Coleman in the third round and now Greg Goossen. So unless he picked up an extra position in the draft via trade, I think he's right up to date on his picks. I think I see who he's talking about. I only see one other player who is much use during the 1965 season, and I'm a bit surprised he's still around as well.

Since Mark passed on any further picks, and it's now been 15 hours since Mac's pick, I'd have to say that Jason's eight hour clock has run out and the Redbirds are now on the clock (can't remember if they passed for the remainder of the draft or not). Still keeping track, because there are still two players I'd take.

[leecemark]

--The Redbirds have passed on their remaining picks. Stingers, Gold Sox and Legends are the next 3 picks.

[Wasp]

The Stingers will take Rene Lachemann and pass on their remaining picks.

[Erik Bedard]

The Gold Sox will take Mike Hedlund.

[catcher24]

The Legends announce the signing of rookie pitcher


http://users.zoominternet.net/~dbuhl/70jackson.jpg

GRANT JACKSON

Legends management is looking to the future with this pick!:gt

[catcher24]

And there is still a pick I'll make when everyone is done, assuming no one else drafts this player.

[Erik Bedard]

Mark, the Cannons took Ken Henderson in round 3 (post 153). You still show that as a missed pick. Had me going for a second there, too.

[538280]

This guy won't really help me in '65, but he is nonetheless a good enough hitter than I'm surprised he's not gone by now. I select Brant Alyea, and that will be my last pick.

http://members.cox.net/crandall11/dc/senators/Alyea.Brant.jpg

[catcher24]

I actually considered Alyea, Chris. But I figured I'd gamble on being able to retain Jackson in six years with the HD. But I'm suprised that someone didn't pick Alyea up as a reserve OF'er for the late sixties.

[ElHalo]

Guy I'm thinking of still available. REALLY confused why.

[mac195]

And the mystery player is...?

[ElHalo]

Gamblers still have a pick before me, so I can't divulge as of yet. And I gave up my draft picks anyway, so I can't take him. Even though he's probably better than who I have filling this role this year.

[The Dude]

Ah, I'll give up the rest of my picks. Sorry for taking so long, I don't get to check in much this week.

[J W]

This guy won't really help me in '65, but he is nonetheless a good enough hitter than I'm surprised he's not gone by now. I select Brant Alyea, and that will be my last pick.

I actually PMed Mark with that pick if he was available in the 4th. I'll defer to you, and the Skipjacks pass on their remaining picks.

[catcher24]

Pirates are next; they've also waived. Diablos next; waived. All other teams had already waived. Gold Sox have all of the Shoeless Joes' remaining slots in this draft via trade. So it appears I THINK I know who Jim has in mind. Still on my list, and if no one takes him prior to my pick coming around again, we'll see.

At this point I don't really know who should be picking, but I think the Stingers are up. I show the last pick was by the Cannons on 3/20 at 9:24PM (Brant Alyea). That put the Gamblers on the clock. Wil's 8 hour clock would have expired at about 6AM on the 21st, but giving benefit of it being so early, figure 8AM - and he's waived now anyway. That would bring up the Hard Cider, whose clock would've expired at 4PM on the 21st. Figure to 6PM for cushion, and Mac's clock expired. The Knights have already waived any further picks. The Skipjacks waived at 7:43AM today (22nd), and the Redbirds have already waived any further picks. So I THINK the Stingers are on the clock at about 8AM today, then the Gold Sox (in the slot they got from the Shoeless Joes). So it looks like the Stingers are up until about 4PM today, and the Gold Sox until midnight. If they haven't done anything by tomorrow morning, I'll make my pick. And of course if Mac wants, he still has a makeup pick.

[mac195]

Pete Cimino was my final pick, Lew. I'm done drafting.

[catcher24]

OK Mac. I'll still wait and see if the Stingers or Gold Sox take anyone else by tomorrow AM. If not, I'll make any picks I have left, assuming everyone but me has waived.

[leecemark]

I actually PMed Mark with that pick if he was available in the 4th. I'll defer to you, and the Skipjacks pass on their remaining picks.

--Sorry JW, I completely forgot about you sending me a list for the late rounds. I got that the same time I was trying to catch up after missing rounds 2 and 3 myself and it just got lost in the shuffle.

[catcher24]

Well, looks like no one else is picking any longer. I'll make two final picks, then:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9040/1968219jq7.jpg

ROB GARDNER, PITCHER (This may be who Jim was thinking of. Decent LH setup)

and

http://i11.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/86/ce/cb65_1_b.JPG

TED UHLANDER, OF

And I'll give up Uhlander if either of the other two still picking wants him.

[ElHalo]

ROB GARDNER, PITCHER (This may be who Jim was thinking of. Decent LH setup)


It's actually not, and if it's ok with everybody else, I'm actually gonna pick my guy if nobody minds. If anybody has a problem with my doing that after having given up my picks, please let me know; I'll wait till tonight or so to hear from people.

[leecemark]

--Pick away Jim. You can retract your earlier pass no problem.

[ElHalo]

Actually, I made a mistake; the year the guy was good for isn't this year (due to me confusing him with Gary Wagner), it's 1967.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/chuck_hartenstein_autograph.jpg

Chuck Hartentstein. 73 IP with a 115 ERA+ isn't chopped liver.

[Erik Bedard]

The Gold Sox pass any remaining picks.