MVPs by Year-1960s

[538280]

Fifth installement of this series. Who do you pick as MVP in each league each year of the 1960s? Here have been our results thus far:

AL
1970: Carl Yastrzemski
1971: Bobby Murcer
1972: Dick Allen
1973: Reggie Jackson
1974: Reggie Jackson
1975: Fred Lynn
1976: Thurman Munson
1977: Rod Carew
1978: Jim Rice
1979: Fred Lynn
1980: George Brett
1981: Rickey Henderson
1982: Robin Yount
1983: Cal Ripken Jr.
1984: Cal Ripken Jr.
1985: Rickey Henderson
1986: Wade Boggs and Don Mattingly (tie)
1987: Alan Trammell
1988: Jose Canseco
1989: Rickey Henderson and Robin Yount (tie)
1990: Rickey Henderson
1991: Cal Ripken Jr.
1992: Frank Thomas
1993: John Olerud
1994: Frank Thomas
1995: Albert Belle
1996: Alex Rodriguez
1997: Ken Griffey Jr.
1998: Albert Belle
1999: Derek Jeter
2000: Jason Giambi
2001: Jason Giambi
2002: Alex Rodriguez
2003: Alex Rodriguez and Carlos Delgado (tie)
2004: Vladimir Guerrero
2005: Alex Rodriguez
2006: Derek Jeter

NL
1970: Johnny Bench
1971: Hank Aaron and Joe Torre (tie)
1972: Johnny Bench
1973: Joe Morgan
1974: Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt (tie)
1975: Joe Morgan
1976: Joe Morgan
1977: Mike Schmidt and Reggie Smith (tie)
1978: Dave Parker
1979: Dave Winfield
1980: Mike Schmidt
1981: Mike Schmidt
1982: Mike Schmidt
1983: Mike Schmidt
1984: Ryne Sandberg
1985: Dwight Gooden
1986: Mike Schmidt
1987: Tony Gwynn
1988: Will Clark
1989: Kevin Mitchell
1990: Barry Bonds
1991: Barry Bonds
1992: Barry Bonds
1993: Barry Bonds
1994: Jeff Bagwell
1995: Greg Maddux
1996: Ken Caminiti
1997: Mike Piazza
1998: Mark McGwire
1999: Chipper Jones
2000: Jeff Kent
2001: Barry Bonds
2002: Barry Bonds
2003: Barry Bonds
2004: Barry Bonds
2005: Albert Pujols
2006: Albert Pujols

Multiple Winners:

Barry Bonds (8), Mike Schmidt (7), Rickey Henderson (4), Joe Morgan (4), Alex Rodriguez (4), Cal Ripken Jr. (3), Albert Belle (2), Johnny Bench (2), Jason Giambi (2), Reggie Jackson (2), Derek Jeter (2), Fred Lynn (2), Albert Pujols (2), Frank Thomas (2), Robin Yount (2)

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Mike Schmidt with seven MVPs! :eek: ElHalo is going to flip out!! :laugh And just two pitchers have "won" MVPs so far. Interesting...

[The Dude]

NL:
1960: Eddie Mathews
1961: Frank Robinson
1962: Frank Robinson
1963: Hank Aaron
1964: Ron Santo
1965: Willie Mays
1966: Sandy Koufax
1967: Roberto Clemente
1968: Bob Gibson
1969: Willie McCovey

AL:
1960: Mickey Mantle
1961: Roger Maris
1962: Harmon Killebrew
1963: Carl yastrzemski
1964: Mickey Mantle
1965: Tony Oliva
1966: Frank Robinson
1967: Carl Yastrzemski
1968: Denny McLain
1969: Harmon Killebrew

[johnnypapa]

1960
Mickey Mantle
Eddie Mathews

1961
Roger Maris
Frank Robinson

1962
Roger Maris
Frank Robinson

1963
Carl Yastrzemski
Hank Aaron

1964
Mickey Mantle
Willie Mays

1965
Tony Oliva
Willie Mays

1966
Frank Robinson
Sandy Koufax and Dick Allen

1967
Carl Yastrzemski
Roberto Clemente

1968
Denny McLain
Bob Gibson

1969
Reggie Jackson
Willie McCovey

[tearforamariner]

I see everyone giving the 1961 AL award to Maris. No direspect to Maris, but he didn't deserve the award when he won it and doesn't deserve it anymore now either.

Mickey Mantle had a beastly year, better than Maris' year. The only thing Maris had were the home runs.

[538280]

I don't get Maris either. Roger Maris hit 7 more home runs than Mickey Mantle. That is where his advantages begin and end. Maris was just not even close to the overall hitter Mantle was. Mantle hit for a high average, Maris' was barely above average, Mantle also drew more walks so along with his BA he had a huge OBP lead. Because of the BA he also had a big lead in slugging. He was better at getting on and advancing runners. Maris hit .269/.372/.620. Mantle hit .317/.448/.687. Despite 7 more HRs Maris really had about the same power-his ISO was only one point better. And Mantle has much higher OBP. Mantle was a CFer, Maris a RFer. Mantle was losing his speed at that point but was still very fast. I just don't see how Maris was more valuable.

[Colorado Express]

AL:
'60 R. Maris
'61 M. Mantle
'62 M. Mantle
'63 H. Killebrew
'64 M. Mantle
'65 T. Oliva
'66 F. Robinson
'67 C. Yastrzemski
'68 D. McLain
'69 H. Killebrew

NL:
'60 W. Mays
'61 F. Robinson
'62 F. Robinson
'63 H. Aaron (could have just as easily voted for S. Koufax)
'64 F. Robinson
'65 W. Mays (could have just as easily voted for S. Koufax)
'66 D. Allen (could have just as easily voted for S. Koufax)
'67 O. Cepeda
'68 B. Gibson
'69 W. McCovey

[Westlake]

AL, NL
1960 --- Mantle, Boyer
1961 --- Mantle, F. Robinson
1962 --- Mantle, Mays
1963 --- Howard, Koufax
1964 --- Robinson, Santo
1965 --- Yastrzemski, Mays
1966 --- F. Robinson, Koufax
1967 --- Yastrzemski, D. Allen
1968 --- Freehan, Gibson
1969 --- Petrocelli, McCovey

[AlecBoy006]

I don't get Maris either. Roger Maris hit 7 more home runs than Mickey Mantle. That is where his advantages begin and end. Maris was just not even close to the overall hitter Mantle was. Mantle hit for a high average, Maris' was barely above average, Mantle also drew more walks so along with his BA he had a huge OBP lead. Because of the BA he also had a big lead in slugging. He was better at getting on and advancing runners. Maris hit .269/.372/.620. Mantle hit .317/.448/.687. Despite 7 more HRs Maris really had about the same power-his ISO was only one point better. And Mantle has much higher OBP. Mantle was a CFer, Maris a RFer. Mantle was losing his speed at that point but was still very fast. I just don't see how Maris was more valuable.


Because, he had immortalized himself as a legend. Mantle had a great season, but not even that can measure up to immortality.

[AlecBoy006]

My MVP's

1960
Roger Maris, Willie Mays

1961
Roger Maris, Frank Robinson

1962

Harmon Killebrew, Frank Robinson

1963

Elston Howard, Orlando Cepeda

1964

Ron Santo, Brooks Robinson

1965

Sandy Koufax, Carl Yaztrezemski

1966

Frank Robinson, Dick Allen

1967

Orlando Cepeda, Carl Yaztrezemski

1968


Dennis Mcclain, Bob Gibson

1969

Willie Mccovey, Harmon Killebrew


EDIT: Sorry for Koufax, we all make typos. Jeez, RMB always jumps over me.

[RuthMayBond]

Time for a good laugh

1960-Law?,Mantle
1961-FRobinson,Mantle
1962-Mays,Mantle
1963-
1964-KBoyer,Mantle
1965-Koufax,Oliva
1966-Koufax,FRobinson
1967-Santo/Schoend,Yaz
1968-McCovey,Yaz
1969-Aaron,Killebrew

[RuthMayBond]

My MVP's

1967

Sandy KoufaxDo we have a head-scratching smilie?

[RuthMayBond]

1962
Roger Maris
Were you perhaps off one year?

[Westlake]

AlecBoy, Koufax didn't play in '67.

Also, I'm wondering why no one has voted for Petrocelli in '69.. He had a 170 OPS+ and 40 HRs from a shortstop, along with very good defense. But everyone seems to vote for Killebrew who played 3B half the season... very badly I might add, and 1B the other half... and his offensive stats are only slightly better than Petrocelli's.

[The Dude]

Well, Killebrew outperformed Petrocelli in raw stats, and OPS+, plus, he helped lead his team the playoffs. I'm guessing that's much the reason why Reggie Smith was elected MVP for 1977 in the previous decade by our fever community.

[RuthMayBond]

Also, I'm wondering why no one has voted for Petrocelli in '69.. He had a 170 OPS+ and 40 HRs from a shortstop, along with very good defense. But everyone seems to vote for Killebrew who played 3B half the season... very badly I might add, and 1B the other half... and his offensive stats are only slightly better than Petrocelli's.As soon as they change the award to the Best Position Player (which it should have been from the start), I'll be THRILLED to vote for Rico :clapping

[Westlake]

Well, Killebrew outperformed Petrocelli in raw stats, and OPS+, plus, he helped lead his team the playoffs. I'm guessing that's much the reason why Reggie Smith was elected MVP for 1977 in the previous decade by our fever community.

I understand he outpreformed Petrocelli offensively... But if we went that way, we wouldnt be giving MVPs to many infielders, even if they deserve them. Defensively, Killebrew was BAD and Petrocelli was one of the best defensive players in the league.

[Westlake]

As soon as they change the award to the Best Position Player (which it should have been from the start), I'll be THRILLED to vote for Rico :clapping

What do you mean? You dont like the word 'valuable' because it's subjective? Or because you'll only vote for players whos teams are in the hunt since it's called valuable?

[RuthMayBond]

What do you mean? You dont like the word 'valuable' because it's subjective? Or because you'll only vote for players whos teams are in the hunt since it's called valuable?ummm, yes!

[538280]

AL
1960-Mickey Mantle
1961-Mickey Mantle-See post I already made. Maris set the record, but that doesn't mean he was a better player, or even close.
1962-Mickey Mantle
1963-Elston Howard
1964-Mickey Mantle-Brooks had an awesome glove, but even in his best hitting season Mantle has more than enough offense.
1965-Tony Oliva
1966-Frank Robinson
1967-Carl Yastrzemski
1968-Carl Yastrzemski
1969-Reggie Jackson

NL
1960-Willie Mays
1961-Willie Mays-Am I missing what makes Robinson better this year? Robinson hit essentially the same as Mays...but Mays was Mays in CF. I know Robinson's Reds won the pennant (and a surprise one at that), but I still think that Mays was clearly a better, more valuable player.
1962-Frank Robinson-This is a better year for Frank IMO.
1963-Hank Aaron
1964-Dick Allen-Allen hit .341/.434/.618 in September. Don't know if you can blame him for his team collapsing around him.
1965-Willie Mays
1966-Willie Mays
1967-Roberto Clemente
1968-Bob Gibson
1969-Willie McCovey

[538280]

Petrocelli was one of the best defensive players in the league.

Petrocelli didn't have a good defensive reputation. He was known in his time as someone who was "too big" to play shortstop. I take such claims with a grain of salt, I think people should focus on production rather than how you look while you're playing, but that was the perception. Statistcally, it does seem Rico stacks up very well. Perhaps I should change to him. Reggie was in the very fast RB/safety strong armed RF ballhawk portion of his career though. I'd say, for the Killebrew supporters, that the Jackson comparison should be even easier than the Rico one. Reggie is not only better in the field but he's also probably a better hitter. Killebrew got small Metropolitan Stadium and Reggie had the Oakland Coliseum. Killebrew's OPS+ is 179 and Reggie's 187.

[AlecBoy006]

I see many people say Aaron in 63. The reason I say Cepeda, is because, he won the MVP in 67, but I feel he was better in 63.

[johnnypapa]

I see everyone giving the 1961 AL award to Maris. No direspect to Maris, but he didn't deserve the award when he won it and doesn't deserve it anymore now either.

Mickey Mantle had a beastly year, better than Maris' year. The only thing Maris had were the home runs.



I agree and also thought Mantle deserved it but I still went with Maris for all that he had to go through. Plus Maris numbers besides HRs are not that much removed from Mantle...actually I take that back Mantle's numbers are pretty impressive.

Mantle - runs created 172
Maris 137

Mantle - OPS 1.135
Maris .993


Put it this way...I would not lose sleep if Mantle got the vote :)

[dgarza]

1960
NL - Willie Mays
AL - Mickey Mantle

1961
NL - Hank Aaron
AL - Norm Cash

1962
NL - Frank Robinson
AL - Norm Siebern

1963
NL - Hank Aaron
AL - Carl Yastrzemski

1964
NL - Dick Allen
AL - Tony Oliva

1965
NL - Sandy Koufax
AL - Tony Oliva

1966
NL - Sandy Koufax
AL - Frank Robinson

1967
NL - Hank Aaron
AL - Carl Yastrzemski

1968
NL - Bob Gibson
AL - Carl Yastrzemski

1969
NL - Willie McCovey
AL - Reggie Jackson

[AstrosFan]

Eh, I dunno. These look all right.

AL

1960 Mantle
1961 Mantle
1962 B. Robinson
1963 Yaz
1964 Mantle
1965 Oliva
1966 F. Robinson
1967 Yaz
1968 Yaz
1969 Reggie

NL

1960 Mathews
1961 Mays
1962 Mays
1963 Aaron
1964 Allen
1965 Mays
1966 Koufax
1967 Santo
1968 Gibson
1969 McCovey

[The Toy Cannon]

AL-NL
'60: Mantle-Mays
'61: Mantle-Mays
'62: Mantle-Mays
'63:Yastrzemski-Mays
'64: Mantle-Mays
'65: Yastrzemski-Mays
'66: Robinson-Allen
'67: Yastrzemski-Clemente
'68: Yastrzemski-McCovey
'69: Jackson-McCovey

[The Toy Cannon]

I'm a fan of that Mays guy.

[AlecBoy006]

Even if the guy you named your sn after played for the Dodgers?

[The Toy Cannon]

I'm not a Dodgers fan. I'm an Astros fan. So, no complications there.

Frankly, I could be a die-hard Dodger fan and I'd still have Willie as the best ever(or, at least, in the discussion with the Babe).

[Westlake]

Even if the guy you named your sn after played for the Dodgers?
For 2 out of 15 years.

[AlecBoy006]

Mantle in 62 is a joke.

He didn't play the whole season, and Yankees still win the World Series.

Seriously, how VALUABLE could you be that year?

[AstrosFan]

Not quite a joke; he was a beast offensively, but I think your point is correct. I'm changing my vote to Brooks Robinson. Created nearly as many runs, and was Brooks Robinson in the field.

[catbox_9]

I don't feel like doing every year because I don't have all the numbers in front of me, but here's 1 year:
1968: McLain, Gibson

What's with people voting for Yaz lately in 1968? How can you not give a 31 game winner the MVP when he's the first 30 game winner since 1934?

[iPod]

Never joined one of these before but I'll throw my hat in.

NL

0 - Mays
1 - Mays
2 - Mays
3 - Koufax
4 - Mays
5 - Mays
6 - Koufax
7 - Santo
8 - Gibson
9 - McCovey

AL

0 - Mantle
1 - Mantle
2 - Siebern (though I would have supported it if they awarded no MVP that year)
3 - Howard
4 - B. Robinson
5 - B. Robinson
6 - F. Robinson
7 - Yastrzesmki
8 - Freehan
9 - Petrocelli

[Lin_Kuei_Fighter]

AL

1960- Mickey Mantle
1961 Mickey Mantle
1962 Mickey Mantle
1963 Al Kaline
1964 Brooks Robinson
1965 Tony Oliva
1966 Frank Robinson
1967 Carl Yaztrzemski
1968 Luis Tiant
1969 Harmon Killebrew
NL

1960 Willie Mays
1961 Frank Robinson
1962 Frank Robinson
1963 Sandy Koufax
1964 Ken Boyer
1965 Willie Mays
1966 Sandy Koufax
1967 Orlando Cepeda
1968 Bob Gibson
1969 Willie Mccovey