March 2007 BBF HOF voting thread

[jalbright]

March 2007 BBF HOF voting thread.

Let the voting begin! For anyone who has not participated before, please read the rules posted here The Rules (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807179&postcount=2)

Voting in this cycle will end at 11:59:59 pm Eastern Time, March 23, 2007.

Please note that the contributor ballot will not be counted again until November.

Other information of note is who is in the BBF HOF.

BBF HOF membership by category (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807182&postcount=3)

BBF HOF membership listed alphabetically (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807183&postcount=4)

Last month's results are posted. You are requested to pay particular attention to those individuals receiving 50% or more of the vote last month, as they are the most likely candidates to be elected this month. In fact, I have specific posts on players receiving 50% or more of last month's vote:

Players with half or more of last month's vote (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807188&postcount=7)

Player ballot results from last month (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807186&postcount=5)


Jim Albright

[jalbright]

My March 2007 ballot

key:
red=Japanese League
blue=Negro Leagues
green=19th century

The only change in my ballot is adding George Gore in place of the elected Willard Brown.


Players

1. John Beckwith, IF
2. Akira Bessho, p (Japan)
3. Ken Boyer, 3b
4. Jim Bunning, p
5. Orlando Cepeda, 1b
6. Will Clark, 1b
7. Rollie Fingers, p
8. Elmer Flick, of
9. Nellie Fox, 2b
10. George Gore, of
11. Frank Grant, 2b
12. Burleigh Grimes, p
13. Heinie Groh, 3b
14. Pete Hill, of
15. Kazuhisa Inao p (Japan)
16. Joe Kelley, of
17. Carl Mays, p
18. Jose Mendez, p
19. Dobie Moore, ss
20. Hiromitsu Ochiai 1B/3B (Japan)
21. Dan Quisenberry, p
22. Red Ruffing p
23. Victor Starffin p (Japan)
24. Bruce Sutter, p
25. Lou Whitaker, 2b

[Captain Cold Nose]

Luis Aparicio
Ross Barnes
Jake Beckley
John Beckwith
Pete Browning
Jim Bunning
Bob Caruthers
Kiki Cuyler
Leon Day
Rollie Fingers
Elmer Flick
Burleigh Grimes
Pete Hill
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Heinie Manush
Jose Mendez
Sam Rice
Edd Roush
Jimmy Ryan
Hilton Smith
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
George Van Haltren
Mickey Welch

[dgarza]

Luis Aparicio
Ross Barnes
Jake Beckley
Pete Browning
Orlando Cepeda
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Bobby Mathews
Jim McCormick
Cal McVey
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Al Rosen
Lee Smith
Sammy Sosa
Bobby Veach
Larry Walker
Mickey Welch
Hack Wilson

[Sockeye]

I retract my ballot

[leecemark]

Aparicio, L.
Beckwith, J
Bennett, C.
Boyer, K.
Cepeda, O
Doyle, L.
Fingers, R
Glasscock, J
Groh, H.
Hernandez, K.
Hill, P
Inao, K
Mays, C.
Maranville, R.
Mendez, J.
McGriff, F
McPhee, B.
Nettles, G
Rice, J.
Rousch, E
Ruffing, R.
Sewell, J.
Stephens, V.
B. Wallace
Whitaker, L

[jalbright]

Juan Gonzalez is not eligible at this time for election under our rules.

Jim Albright

[2Chance]

Congratulations to Willard Brown. Long overdue.
On the other hand, Sammy Sosa has been removed until his MLB playing status is more clear to me. We can vote guys in late, but I didn't want to enshrine one too early; and in this Hall a sub-five percent tally doesn't kill your only hope.

New guys, now and next time, are infielders:

John Beckwith
Sal Bando
Charlie Bennett
Roger Bresnahan
Pete Browning
Jim Bunning
Perucho Cepeda
Will Clark
Darrell Evans
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
George Gore
Frank Grant
Heinie Groh
Pete Hill
Kazuhisa Inao
Jose Mendez
Dobie Moore
Rafael Palmeiro
Dan Quisenberry
Hilton Smith
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
Mickey Welch
Lou Whitaker

[Sockeye]

Juan Gonzalez is not eligible at this time for election under our rules.

Jim Albright

I'll find a replacement for him then. Could you tell me why he isn't eligible? He was on my febuary ballot and nothing was brought up about it at that time.

[Sockeye]

Andres Galarraga replaces Juan Gonzalez on the ballot.

[Freakshow]

Average months on my ballot soared to 9.6, a new record. This will likely grow as the electorate and mysef differ on whom we see as the Hall's lower tier. Lou Whitaker extends his record for most months on my ballot. The top five that I think the electorate is missing: 1) Lou Whitaker, 2) Red Faber, 3) Ken Boyer, 4) Da. Evans, 5) Bid McPhee.

12 Barnes-2B*
17 Boyer K-3B*
3 Bunning-P
16 Evans Da.-3B*
4 Evans Dw.-RF*
15 Faber-P
3 Fingers-RP
9 Flick-RF
1 Fox N-2B
9 Glasscock-SS*
15 Gore-CF*
4 Groh-3B*
4 Hernandez-1B*
11 Kelley-LF
10 McGriff F-1B*
15 McPhee-2B
5 Palmeiro-1B*
8 Perez-1B
12 Rixey-P
3 Roush-CF
13 Ruffing-P
5 Sosa-RF*
15 Wallace-SS
22 Whitaker-2B*
9 Wynn J.-CF*
9.6 ave mos on ballot

* = not a member of the Coop HOF
bold = member of the Hall of Merit

[jalbright]

I'll find a replacement for him then. Could you tell me why he isn't eligible? He was on my febuary ballot and nothing was brought up about it at that time.

That's because you didn't come close to posting a valid ballot last month, with or without Gonzalez. If you check, there's a lot of guys you're voting for who got no votes last month, even if you wanted them to get a vote. If you can't read the rules and apply them, that's not my problem.

Jim Albright

[rsuriyop]

1. Jake Beckley
2. Pete Browning
3. Norm Cash
4. Will Clark
5. Gavvy Cravath
6. Larry Doyle
7. Dwight Evans (new replacement for this month)
8. Rollie Fingers
9. Elmer Flick
10. Jack Glasscock
11. Lefty Gomez
12. Bob Johnson
13. Grant "Homerun" Johnson
14. Addie Joss
15. Joe Kelley
16. Carl Mays
17. Jose Mendez
18. Spottswood Poles
19. Dan Quisenberry
20. Edd Roush
21. Jimmy Ryan
22. Urban Shocker
23. Reggie Smith
24. Victor Starfin
25. Lou Whitaker

[jalbright]

I have changed the first post to indicate that this election will end on March 23 at 11:59:59 pm Eastern Time. This is the prelude to moving to a three week voting cycle. I also changed the voting rules to reflect the new, shorter cycle. One problem we have with this project is that there is little activity between the first two weeks of voting and the last three days, and I'm looking to shorten that dead time.

Jim Albright

[TheSlaff]

Ross Barnes
John Beckwith
Charlie Bennett
Bobby Bonds
Ken Boyer
Pete Browning
Jim Bunning
Bob Caruthers
Rollie Fingers
Nellie Fox
George Gore
Heinie Groh
Keith Hernandez
Addie Joss
Joe Kelley
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Jose Mendez
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Joe Sewell
Bruce Sutter
Lou Whitaker

:gt

[mtortolero]

1.-Luis Aparicio SS
2.-ken Boyer 3B
3.-Pete Browning OF
4.-Jim Bunning P
5.-Orlando Cepeda 1B
6.-Will Clark, 1B
7.-Rollie Fingers P
8.-Elmer Flick OF
9.-Nellie Fox 2B
10.-Lefty Gomez P
11.-Bob Johnson OF
12.-Addie Joss P
13.-Joe Kelley, OF
14.-Chuck Klein OF
15.-Edgar Martinez DH
16.-Carl Mays, P
17.-Fred McGriff, 1B
18.-Rafael Palmeiro 1B
19.-Dan Quisenberry, p
20.-Victor Starffin 1B
21.-Vern Stephens, SS
22.-Bruce Sutter P
23.-Bobby Veach OF
24.-Larry Walker OF
25.-Lou Whitaker, 2B

[Eastvanmungo]

Louis Aparicio
Bobby Bonds
Pete Browning
Bob Caruthers
Will Clark
Dom Dimaggio
Rollie Fingers
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
John Franco
George Gore
Burleigh Grimes
Heinie Groh
Kazuhisa Inao
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Tony Perez
Dan Quisenberry
Bruce Sutter
Luis Tiant
Larry Walker
Mickey Welch
Jimmy Wynn

[abacab]

Jake Beckley - 9
John Beckwith - 5
Bobby Bonds - 5
Ken Boyer - 1
Jim Bunning - 15
Darrell Evans - 8
Red Faber - 14
Rollie Fingers - 17
Elmer Flick - 19
Jack Glasscock - 11
George Gore - 2
Heinie Groh - 5
Keith Hernandez - 10
Pete Hill - 11
Joe Kelley - 14
Bid McPhee - 11
Tony Perez - 13
Eppa Rixey - 11
Edd Roush - 4
Red Ruffing - 13
Joe Sewell - 4
Bruce Sutter - 9
Bobby Wallace - 16
Lou Whitaker - 11
Jimmy Wynn - 4

[The Kid]

Luis Aparicio
John Beckwith
Pete Browning
Orlando Cepeda
Will Clark
Dom Dimaggio
Rollie Fingers
Nellie Fox
Lefty Gomez
Keith Hernandez
Pete Hill
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Fred McGriff
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Lee Smith
Sammy Sosa
Luis Tiant
Larry Walker
Mickey Welch
Hack Wilson
Jimmy Wynn

[The Dude]

Luis Aparicio
Ken Boyer
Orlando Cepeda
Gavvy Cravath
Dom DiMaggio
Rollie Fingers
Nellie Fox
Elmer Flick
Lefty Gomez
Keith Hernandez
"Indian" Bob Johnson
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Bid McPhee
Fred McGriff
Jim Rice
Eppa Rixey
Edd Roush
Al Oliver
Dan Quisenberry
Reggie Smith
Victor Starffin
Lou Whitaker

[Windy City Fan]

Luis Aparicio
Sal Bando
Ken Boyer
Roger Bresnahan
Gavvy Cravath
Orlando Cepeda
Darrell Evans
Red Faber
Rollie Fingers
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
John Franco
Heinie Groh
Frank Howard
Keith Hernandez
Addie Joss
Fred McGriff
Bid McPhee
Dan Quisenberry
Epa Rixey
Edd Rousch
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
Bobby Wallace
Lou Whitaker

[AG2004]

My March 23, 2007 ballot

PLAYERS
Sal Bando
John Beckwith
Akira Bessho
Bobby Bonds
Jim Bunning
Perucho Cepeda
Will Clark
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
George Gore
Frank Grant
Heinie Groh
Pete Hill
Kazuhisa Inao
Home Run Johnson
Joe Kelley
Carl Mays
Jose Mendez
Dobie Moore
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Dickey Pearce
Spotswood Poles
Dan Quisenberry
Victor Starffin
Joe Start

Kelley edges out Jimmy Sheckard for the final spot on the ballot.

Will Clark is the top candidate outside the BBFHOF. With the sole exception of Will Clark, every eligible major league position player with at least 103 win shares in their best three seasons, or at least 155 win shares in their best five consecutive seasons, is in already in the BBFHOF. Clark had 115 win shares in his best three seasons, and 168 win shares in his best five consecutive seasons, so he's ahead of those cutoff marks by a large margin - one large enough for the "we can make a group" argument to become a good argument for once.

[jalbright]

Voting is now closed, and we have elected Rollie Fingers and Elmer Flick this month.

Jim Albright

[jalbright]

Here are the complete player voting results for the election ending March 23 (15 votes cast):


Name ......votes pct Name ........votes pct
Aparicio, Luis 8 53.3 Fingers, Rollie 12 80.0
Bando, Sal 3 20.0 Flick, Elmer 12 80.0
Barnes, Ross 4 26.7 Fox, Nellie 11 73.3
Beckley, Jake 4 26.7 Whitaker, Lou 10 66.7
Beckwith, John 8 53.3 Groh, Heinie 9 60.0
Bennett, Charlie 3 20.0 Mays, Carl 9 60.0
Bessho, Akira 2 13.3 Aparicio, Luis 8 53.3
Bonds, Bobby 4 26.7 Beckwith, John 8 53.3
Boyer, Ken 8 53.3 Boyer, Ken 8 53.3
Bresnahan, Roger 2 13.3 Browning, Pete 8 53.3
Browning, Pete 8 53.3 Bunning, Jim 8 53.3
Bunning, Jim 8 53.3 Joss, Addie 8 53.3
Caruthers, Bob 3 20.0 Kelley, Joe 8 53.3
Cash, Norm 1 6.7 Quisenberry, Dan 8 53.3
Cepeda, Orlando 7 46.7 Starffin, Victor 8 53.3
Cepeda, Perucho 2 13.3 Sutter, Bruce 8 53.3
Clark, Will 7 46.7 Cepeda, Orlando 7 46.7
Cravath, Gavvy 3 20.0 Clark, Will 7 46.7
Cuyler, Kiki 1 6.7 Gore, George 7 46.7
Day, Leon 1 6.7 Hernandez, Keith 7 46.7
DiMaggio, Dom 3 20.0 Hill, Pete 7 46.7
Doyle, Larry 2 13.3 Mendez, Jose 7 46.7
Evans, Darrell 4 26.7 Roush, Edd 7 46.7
Evans, Dwight 2 13.3 Klein, Chuck 6 40.0
Faber, Red 3 20.0 Martinez, Edgar 6 40.0
Fingers, Rollie 12 80.0 McGriff, Fred 6 40.0
Flick, Elmer 12 80.0 Palmeiro, Rafael 6 40.0
Fox, Nellie 11 73.3 Gomez, Lefty 5 33.3
Franco, John 2 13.3 Inao, Kazuhisa 5 33.3
Glasscock, Jack 4 26.7 McPhee, Bid 5 33.3
Gomez, Lefty 5 33.3 Rice, Jim 5 33.3
Gore, George 7 46.7 Wallace, Bobby 5 33.3
Grant, Frank 3 20.0 Barnes, Ross 4 26.7
Grimes, Burleigh 3 20.0 Beckley, Jake 4 26.7
Groh, Heinie 9 60.0 Bonds, Bobby 4 26.7
Hernandez, Keith 7 46.7 Evans, Darrell 4 26.7
Hill, Pete 7 46.7 Glasscock, Jack 4 26.7
Howard, Frank 1 6.7 Johnson, Bob 4 26.7
Inao, Kazuhisa 5 33.3 Rice, Sam 4 26.7
Johnson, Bob 4 26.7 Rixey, Eppa 4 26.7
Johnson, Home Run 2 13.3 Ruffing, Red 4 26.7
Joss, Addie 8 53.3 Walker, Larry 4 26.7
Kelley, Joe 8 53.3 Welch, Mickey 4 26.7
Klein, Chuck 6 40.0 Wynn, Jimmy 4 26.7
Manush, Heinie 1 6.7 Bando, Sal 3 20.0
Maranville, Rabbit 1 6.7 Bennett, Charlie 3 20.0
Martinez, Edgar 6 40.0 Caruthers, Bob 3 20.0
Mathews, Bobby 1 6.7 Cravath, Gavvy 3 20.0
Mays, Carl 9 60.0 DiMaggio, Dom 3 20.0
McCormick, Jim 1 6.7 Faber, Red 3 20.0
McGriff, Fred 6 40.0 Grant, Frank 3 20.0
McPhee, Bid 5 33.3 Grimes, Burleigh 3 20.0
McVey, Cal 1 6.7 Moore, Dobie 3 20.0
Mendez, Jose 7 46.7 Perez, Tony 3 20.0
Moore, Dobie 3 20.0 Sewell, Joe 3 20.0
Nettles, Graig 1 6.7 Sosa, Sammy 3 20.0
Ochiai, Hiromitsu 2 13.3 Bessho, Akira 2 13.3
Oliver, Al 1 6.7 Bresnahan, Roger 2 13.3
Palmeiro, Rafael 6 40.0 Cepeda, Perucho 2 13.3
Pearce, Dickey 1 6.7 Doyle, Larry 2 13.3
Perez, Tony 3 20.0 Evans, Dwight 2 13.3
Poles, Spotswood 2 13.3 Franco, John 2 13.3
Quisenberry, Dan 8 53.3 Johnson, Home Run 2 13.3
Rice, Jim 5 33.3 Ochiai, Hiromitsu 2 13.3
Rice, Sam 4 26.7 Poles, Spotswood 2 13.3
Rixey, Eppa 4 26.7 Ryan, Jimmy 2 13.3
Rosen, Al 1 6.7 Smith, Hilton 2 13.3
Roush, Edd 7 46.7 Smith, Reggie 2 13.3
Ruffing, Red 4 26.7 Smith, Lee 2 13.3
Ryan, Jimmy 2 13.3 Stephens, Vern 2 13.3
Shocker, Urban 1 6.7 Tiant, Luis 2 13.3
Sewell, Joe 3 20.0 Veach, Bobby 2 13.3
Smith, Hilton 2 13.3 Wilson, Hack 2 13.3
Smith, Reggie 2 13.3 Cash, Norm 1 6.7
Smith, Lee 2 13.3 Cuyler, Kiki 1 6.7
Sosa, Sammy 3 20.0 Day, Leon 1 6.7
Starffin, Victor 8 53.3 Howard, Frank 1 6.7
Start, Joe 1 6.7 Manush, Heinie 1 6.7
Stephens, Vern 2 13.3 Maranville, Rabbit 1 6.7
Sutter, Bruce 8 53.3 Mathews, Bobby 1 6.7
Tiant, Luis 2 13.3 McCormick, Jim 1 6.7
Van Haltren, George 1 6.7 McVey, Cal 1 6.7
Veach, Bobby 2 13.3 Nettles, Graig 1 6.7
Walker, Larry 4 26.7 Oliver, Al 1 6.7
Wallace, Bobby 5 33.3 Pearce, Dickey 1 6.7
Welch, Mickey 4 26.7 Rosen, Al 1 6.7
Whitaker, Lou 10 66.7 Shocker, Urban 1 6.7
Wilson, Hack 2 13.3 Start, Joe 1 6.7
Wynn, Jimmy 4 26.7 Van Haltren, George 1 6.7