The New Hall-1936

[SweetLou]

All right, here we go, second try. Beginning in 1936, and using the same format as DoubleX's HOF thread (the 1979 rules), we're going to be electing members to the Baseball Hall of Fame. For a quick refresher, here are the rules.

1. You may vote for up to ten candidates. You may leave as many slots as you want blank, and even submit an entirely blank ballot. Blank votes are counted as votes against the whole field.

2. Any player receiving 75% of the vote is inducted into the Hall of Fame.

3. Any player receiving 5% or more of the vote remains on the ballot for next year. Any player receiving less is dropped and loses his eligibility. This rule will not apply to the initial slate of candidates for five years.

4. Any player who has been on the ballot for 15 years loses his eligibility after the 15th year.

Let's vote!

[Ubiquitous]

I take it your list is based on the vote totals of 1936, that by the way was not the only players eligible in 1936.

[dgarza]

Which Ubiquitous votes are going to come off?

[RuthMayBond]

All right, here we go, second try. Beginning in 1936, and using the same format as DoubleX's HOF thread (the 1979 rules), we're going to be electing members to the Baseball Hall of Fame. For a quick refresher, here are the rules.

1. You may vote for up to ten candidates. You may leave as many slots as you want blank, and even submit an entirely blank ballot. Blank votes are counted as votes against the whole field.Anyone who doesn't vote for ten should be, uh, whipped with DRY noodles. Two people have already left Cobb off :rolleyes: :eek: :crazy :ughh

[-Kyle-]

Anyone who doesn't vote for ten should be, uh, whipped with DRY noodles. Two people have already left Cobb off :rolleyes: :eek: :crazy :ughh
I wasn't thinking and just voted the five original. :eek:

[KCGHOST]

The original five plus Young, Delahanty, Speaker, Lajoie, and Alexander.

[RuthMayBond]

I take it your list is based on the vote totals of 1936, that by the way was not the only players eligible in 1936.Were Gehrig, Gehringer, Dean (how many more?) even eligible in '36?
Interesting votes.
For Simmons but not Cobb.
For Sisler but not Collins or Hornsby :confused:

[Captain Cold Nose]

Was Gehrig even eligible in '36?
Interesting votes.
For Simmons but not Cobb.
For Sisler but not Collins or Hornsby :confused:
They didn't have rules of eligibility like they do now. He did receive votes while an active player, and others had, as well. Dizzy Dean, for example.

[RuthMayBond]

They didn't have rules of eligibility like they do now. He did receive votes while an active player, and others had, as well. Dizzy Dean, for example.Dang, I should probably change Lajoie to Gehrig

[Captain Cold Nose]

Dang, I should probably change Lajoie to Gehrig
I guess thhat would depend on how you're looking at the ballot. Does an active Gerhig's 11 years trump Lajoie's complete career?

[RuthMayBond]

I guess thhat would depend on how you're looking at the ballot. Does an active Gerhig's 11 years trump Lajoie's complete career?Augh, I am too used to today's rules :confused:

[Brooklyn]

All right, here we go, second try. Beginning in 1936, and using the same format as DoubleX's HOF thread (the 1979 rules), we're going to be electing members to the Baseball Hall of Fame

If you intend to keep this going, can you alphabetize them in the future? I found it difficult to find players this way.

Anyone who doesn't vote for ten should be, uh, whipped with DRY noodles. Two people have already left Cobb off :rolleyes: :eek: :crazy :ughh

I'm a small Hall guy, but I couldn't agree more. It will be years before my ballot is less than 10


I guess thhat would depend on how you're looking at the ballot. Does an active Gerhig's 11 years trump Lajoie's complete career?

Interesting point, I hadn't thought of that when I voted. I voted on players based on career stats. If we are doing this based on today's rules (i.e. the 5% rule, the 15 year rule, etc.), wouldn't it make sense to also exclude players until they are retired 5 years??

[Freakshow]

Were Gehrig, Gehringer, Dean (how many more?) even eligible in '36?
1936 Election

Total ballots cast: 226 Necessary for election: 170


Name Votes PCT
Ty Cobb 222 98.23
Babe Ruth 215 95.13
Honus Wagner 215 95.13
Chr. Mathewson 205 90.71
Walter Johnson 189 83.63
Nap Lajoie 146 64.60
Tris Speaker 133 58.85
Cy Young 111 49.12
Rogers Hornsby 105 46.46
Mickey Cochrane 80 35.40
George Sisler 77 34.07
Eddie Collins 60 26.55
Jimmy Collins 58 25.66
Pete Alexander 55 24.34
Lou Gehrig 51 22.57
Roger Bresnahan 47 20.80
Willie Keeler 40 17.70
Rube Waddell 33 14.60
Jimmie Foxx 21 9.29
Ed Walsh 20 8.85
Ed Delahanty 17 7.52
Pie Traynor 16 7.08
Frankie Frisch 14 6.19
Lefty Grove 12 5.31
Hal Chase 11 4.87
Ross Youngs 10 4.42
Bill Terry 9 3.98
Johnny Kling 8 3.54
Lou Criger 7 3.10
Mordecai Brown 6 2.65
Johnny Evers 6 2.65
Frank Chance 5 2.21
Al Simmons 4 1.77
Ray Schalk 4 1.77
John McGraw 4 1.77
Edd Roush 2 0.88
Chief Bender 2 0.88
Joe Jackson 2 0.88
Bill Bradley 1 0.44
Fred Clarke* 1 0.44
Frank Baker 1 0.44
Dazzy Vance 1 0.44
Gabby Hartnett 1 0.44
Sam Crawford 1 0.44
Jake Daubert 1 0.44
Dizzy Dean 1 0.44
Kid Elberfeld 1 0.44
Rube Marquard 1 0.44
Chas. Gehringer 1 0.44
Connie Mack 1 0.44
Nap Rucker 1 0.44

[CTaka]

How come there weren't any players on the list that were entirely 19th century players?

[Freakshow]

How come there weren't any players on the list that were entirely 19th century players?
Good question. The answer is that there was a second election that first year for the 19th century guys. A few guys, like Young, Delahanty, J. Collins, Keeler had good support in both elections. Nobody got elected, Cap Anson and Buck Ewing tied for the most support. Wikipedia has the whole story, I don't have the link right now.

[Sockeye]

For some reason I missed Alexander. Can my vote be edited to include Grover Cleveland. Thanks

[hellborn]

Good question. The answer is that there was a second election that first year for the 19th century guys. A few guys, like Young, Delahanty, J. Collins, Keeler had good support in both elections. Nobody got elected, Cap Anson and Buck Ewing tied for the most support. Wikipedia has the whole story, I don't have the link right now.
This is also covered in Bill James' excellent book on the HOF. Very interesting story, and one that is very important to understanding baseball history but isn't told very often.

[hellborn]

I am very surprised that Young, Alexander, and Mathewson are receiving relatively poor support while Speaker is doing so well. Tris is a 100% true blue HOFer, but was he really more qualified for it than that troika of Ps?

[Appling]

I based my vote on the "5-years after retirement" standard which is in place today. So Ruth didn't get my vote --he wasn't retired long enough yet. Hornsby -- like many others on your ballot --was still active, so they definitely couldn't get my vote.

I like the wait-rule so much I believe I would have used it if I were an actual BBWAA voter in 1936.

[yanks0714]

I tried to place myself back in 1936. My criteria would be the player must be retired, period. Not a certain amount of years:

* Christy Mathewson
* Honus Wagner
* Nap Lajoie
* Tris Speaker
* Cy Young
* Pete Alexander
* John McGraw
* Ty Cobb
* Walter Johnson
* Babe Ruth

With the possible exception of John McGraw, I cannot see how one cannot vote for the other 9 I have listed. They were the 'Immortals', the best of the best and were all retired by then.

McGraw could be replaced by Connie Mack but I went with McGraw. If most of these are elected, Mack would be on my 1937 ballot.

For folks voting for active players, I just can't see it.

[Appling]

I tried to place myself back in 1936. My criteria would be the player must be retired, period. Not a certain amount of years:

* John McGraw
* Babe Ruth


I admit the 5-year-wait rule would have been very arbitrary back in 1936 -- but I agree the candidates should at least be RETIRED. With that change I would have voted Ruth instead of Sisler. In fact, I sometimes wonder if the Hall of Fame was an idea waiting for Ruth to retire, just so the Babe could be included -- and thus use his personal FAME to give FAME to the "Hall".

Otherwise my list is the same as yours, except I picked Eddie Collins ahead of John McGraw.

[yankillaz]

I voted:

1. Cobb
2. Ruth
3. Johnson
4. Wagner
5. Alexander
6. Young
7. Lajoie
8. Speaker
9. Mathewson

My 10th Pick will be Cap Anson. Where is he on this ballot???

[Colorado Express]

Cobb
Foxx
Gehrig
Hornsby
Johnson
Lajoie
Matthewson
Ruth
Wagner
Young

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(if I had 2 extra votes)
Speaker
Alexander

[yanks0714]

I liked the concept of this thread. New HOF opening doors. Who deserves election to the HOF. I tried to place myself back in 1936 and voted accordingly. My first criteria is that the player had to be retired. I also looked at it a chance to induct the cream of the crop...what I thought were the very best in the history of the game as this was the first induction vote ever.

However, that concept is obviously not shared by some of the voters on this thread. Look at some of the players who were voted for. Some of the players were not only still playing but were in the prime of their careers!

A good concept that is failing because the posters cannot place themselves back in 1936 and are basically voting from a 2007 standpoint in time.