NL Discussion Thread

[Minstrel]

Feel free to use this thread to discuss the on-going NL draft. Just try to avoid name-dropping players who have yet to be selected, thanks.

[tearforamariner]

I sent cashwrapper a PM. Hopefully he'll be picking soon. I guess he technically has until about noon (PST) tomorrow, as he has the next two picks. Hopefully he'll show up soon.

[tearforamariner]

You guys, I know we aren't supposed to be talking about players who haven't been picked, but I really want Mario Mendoza in the second round. Can you make sure that he's there for me to pick?

[plask_stirlac]

Mario is second on my board behind A-Rod, Aurelio Rodriguez.

[Windy City Fan]

Having back to back picks doesn't give you two 8 hour windows. You have 8 hours to make your two picks. So I believe his clock will expire sometime tonight worse case.

On the lightning round idea (see the main discussion thread if you don't know what I'm talking about) I'd personally prefer Saturday over Sunday, but I can make Sunday work. On Saturday, anytime is good for me. On Sunday, after 1 Central time works best.

[BoSox Rule]

I doubt we can find a time that works for everybody.

[Wade8813]

I doubt we can find a time that works for everybody. If it works for almost everybody, then we can have the one or two who are missing PM their picks to a neutral party (with backups, in case the person they want is taken).

And it doesn't hurt to see if we can get it to work.

[Wee Willie]

That time Sunday works for me. By the end of that round our teams should be taking shape.

[Sockeye]

Just name the time and place. I'll be here for a lightning draft.

[plask_stirlac]

Fortunately, IMO, Musial's war years, with replacement players for the replacement players, aren't quite high enough in WARP1 to make 1948 eligible. I wouldn't even bother making a poll about whether people would choose the better between 1948 and 1944 for Stan, it's just obvious.

[The Dude]

I was extremely suprised that Morgans MVP season was eligable ... IMO it's clearly his best season.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Having back to back picks doesn't give you two 8 hour windows. You have 8 hours to make your two picks. So I believe his clock will expire sometime tonight worse case.

On the lightning round idea (see the main discussion thread if you don't know what I'm talking about) I'd personally prefer Saturday over Sunday, but I can make Sunday work. On Saturday, anytime is good for me. On Sunday, after 1 Central time works best.

I don't need to worry about that though, I have a pretty good idea about who I want on my team. :)

[ElHalo]

I just thought I'd let everybody know that I've chosen Hilltop Park (former home of the New York Highlanders / Yankees) as my home stadium. If you check the dimensions of that park, you'll see how absolutely insane that is.

[Wade8813]

I almost went with that park.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I just thought I'd let everybody know that I've chosen Hilltop Park (former home of the New York Highlanders / Yankees) as my home stadium. If you check the dimensions of that park, you'll see how absolutely insane that is.


the sad part about that is... it's not as insane as West Side Grounds... honestly check out the dimensions of that place... its 340/560/314 its like polo ground but bigger... or Huntingon Ave. Grounds where it's 350/635/320 now that's insane...

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Do pitchers have WARP1 scores as well? BP doesn't list them?

[ElHalo]

Do pitchers have WARP1 scores as well? BP doesn't list them?

Apparently they do list them, lower down under "advanced batting statistics." Why it's listed there for pitchers I couldn't tell you.

[ElHalo]

the sad part about that is... it's not as insane as West Side Grounds... honestly check out the dimensions of that place... its 340/560/314 its like polo ground but bigger... or Huntingon Ave. Grounds where it's 350/635/320 now that's insane...

Huntington Avenue is a little crazy... but Hilltop has a 542' CF wall with a twenty foot high fence. And 400 feet to RF is longer than a lot of CF's.

[plask_stirlac]

Sunday 3 ET?

[Westlake]

I see there is another team that has moved into my burrough. I'm fine with an all-brooklyn world series.

[Minstrel]

Sunday 3 ET?

Sunday, SUNDAY, SUNDAY! Be there or...well...life goes on as usual.

I never was a marketer.

[plask_stirlac]

Be here tomorrow at 3 ET, send a list to TFAM, or object now. We'll try for one, two rounds or maybe more.

[tearforamariner]

Be here tomorrow at 3 ET, send a list to TFAM, or object now. We'll try for one, two rounds or maybe more.

What if TFAM needs to send someone a list? :D

No, TFAM will be here at noon (that's what 3 ET is in PST right? :)) If anyone needs to send me a list, I'll make your selections for you without bias and I will not let it affect my decisions.

[plask_stirlac]

You'd be here for a 3 AM lightning round.

[tearforamariner]

We're approaching the Lightning round. Is everyone ready?

[Minstrel]

We're approaching the Lightning round. Is everyone ready?

Okay...everyone synchronize watches....

.......


............now.

[tearforamariner]

Okay...everyone synchronize watches....

.......


............now.

Minstrel, are you sure we shouldn't have changed the window for drafting for the lightning round?

[Williamsburg2599]

I'm here...

[Minstrel]

Minstrel, are you sure we shouldn't have changed the window for drafting for the lightning round?

It would be nice to, but this is sort of unofficial, since not enough people really responded to get a sense for when would be good for most people. If we cut the window to, like, 15-20 minutes (it has to be short to not severely disrupt a six-hour lightning period), I suspect we'll have many, many people missing picks and maybe several picks each.

[tearforamariner]

It would be nice to, but this is sort of unofficial, since not enough people really responded to get a sense for when would be good for most people. If we cut the window to, like, 15-20 minutes (it has to be short to not severely disrupt a six-hour lightning period), I suspect we'll have many, many people missing picks and maybe several picks each.


But keeping the same window punishes those who did show up. The guys who are here who might not get a pick at all.

[plask_stirlac]

Who is here for the NL?

Me
TFAM
Wburg

[Windy City Fan]

I'm here as well.

[The Splendid Splinter]

im here also.

[Minstrel]

But keeping the same window punishes those who did show up. The guys who are here who might not get a pick at all.

Have a suggestion that you think is fair? This period was never mandatory. It was just encouraged that people check in more frequently...

[Westlake]

Maybe we should make a mandatory time. Try and find a time when almost everyone can, and those who cannot send a list to someone that will be here from the opposite league. Sound ok?

[tearforamariner]

Either make a mandatory time like Evan suggested or deal with the slow draft. I expected everyone to be here and those who couldn't to let us know and give someone a list. I cancelled stuff to be here today and noon on Sunday is not the most convenient time for me. I'm here and I won't be able to draft.

[Minstrel]

Maybe we should make a mandatory time. Try and find a time when almost everyone can, and those who cannot send a list to someone that will be here from the opposite league. Sound ok?

Sure, if people will actually post times. I did ask, this time around, for people to post their weekend availabilities (so that I could try and find a time to accommodate most) and virtually no one did.

[plask_stirlac]

James list 'em if they ain't here.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm right here.

My weekend availability is basically "if I can get on, I will". My preferred time is 3-6 on weekdays... but of course, nobody on the West Coast can do that.

BTW, I've got a killer sleeper pick lined up.

[tearforamariner]

I'm right here.

My weekend availability is basically "if I can get on, I will". My preferred time is 3-6 on weekdays... but of course, nobody on the West Coast can do that.

Actually, I can do noon to three on the week days. I have class before that time period and after it, so I'm free pretty much those same hours.

[TBT]

Me and CW are in.

[Williamsburg2599]

Anything 1-6pm on the weekends works for me.

[Minstrel]

AL draft isn't moving at all, either. I think unless everyone commits to making a time or sending a list, we'll just have to forget lightning rounds.

If we now just skip people or make picks for them, the risk is that the whole draft will disintegrate in bad feeling.

[Williamsburg2599]

Atleast it's not as slow as the NFL draft...:D

[tearforamariner]

We have 10 of 14 checked in for the NL and the lightning round is being held up by one person.

[plask_stirlac]

Hehe, this is like the MLB draft... some unknown time and place, about 2/3 of the teams show up, minor media coverage unless someone's relative is drafted.

[Williamsburg2599]

We have 10 of 14 checked in for the NL and the lightning round is being held up by one person.
He's on the site right now, he's just not picking.

[tearforamariner]

He's on the site right now, he's just not picking.

I Pm'd him 30 minutes ago. Don't know what the problem is.

[plask_stirlac]

Well, his window will close at 7:18 ET, so I know it's not the same and there might be obligations, but we're ready as a group I suppose for prompt picks and picking a lot yet today.

[Minstrel]

He's on the site right now, he's just not picking.

I Pm'd him 30 minutes ago. Don't know what the problem is.

Skip him, then, would be my suggestion. If he's here (and has even been alerted, though that shouldn't be necessary as he should be checking), then there's no reason to wait on his refusal to pick.

plask_stirlac should make the ultimate decision, though.

[tearforamariner]

Skip him, then, would be my suggestion. If he's here (and has even been alerted, though that shouldn't be necessary as he should be checking), then there's no reason to wait on his refusal to pick.

plask_stirlac should make the ultimate decision, though.

I even left a message on the last thread he posted on (at 12:30 my time). Nothing.

[Westlake]

I'd say skip him if he logs off without picking this time. But if he is still on, there is no reason to skip him yet.

[Wade8813]

I'd say skip him if he logs off without picking this time. But if he is still on, there is no reason to skip him yet. I agree. It's quite possible he's just in the middle of a big reply, or something.

[tearforamariner]

I agree. It's quite possible he's just in the middle of a big reply, or something.

He's been clocked off the site. He's no longer signed in.

[Williamsburg2599]

He's been clocked off the site. He's no longer signed in.
So is it my turn?

[tearforamariner]

So is it my turn?

Yes Sir, it is.

[Windy City Fan]

I gotta head over to my folks house. I'll still be able to check in there, but its about a 15 minute drive. So if Dudecar picks between now and then, don't skip me.

[tearforamariner]

I gotta head over to my folks house. I'll still be able to check in there, but its about a 15 minute drive. So if Dudecar picks between now and then, don't skip me.

Thanks for the heads up WCF, very thoughtful.

[Windy City Fan]

Thanks for the heads up WCF, very thoughtful.

I'm here, but I won't be at a computer like I was at home. I sent you my picks and you're authorized to post them.

[tearforamariner]

I'm here, but I won't be at a computer like I was at home. I sent you my picks and you're authorized to post them.


All right, will do.

[Williamsburg2599]

Minstrel and EB, is alright if I change my park from the Polo Grounds to the Messer Street Grounds?:
Left field - 281 ft.
Left field Corner - 403 ft.
Left-Center field - 356 ft.
Center field - 318 ft.
Right-Center field - 356 ft.
Right field - 431 ft.
Fences - 12 ft. high

[plask_stirlac]

I have work until 9:20 ET so don't vilify me.

[Minstrel]

I have work until 9:20 ET so don't vilify me.

Thanks for destroying the lightning round.

[Minstrel]

Minstrel and EB, is alright if I change my park from the Polo Grounds to the Messer Street Grounds?

I figure until the sim actually happens, people can freely change their stadium.

[Erik Bedard]

Yep. It's cool.

[plask_stirlac]

Thanks for destroying the lightning round.

Actually I got online. But you're welcome, thanks for your kind words. it had to be mercifully put down anyway lol.

[Williamsburg2599]

I have OK'ed TFAM to pick for me, after CCC, if he is here before I am tomorrow.

[plask_stirlac]

Schmidt lasted because he basically had a homogeneous career, every year excellent but not the most spectacular ever. It's gold for his career status but there was room for Santo.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Schmidt lasted because he basically had a homogeneous career, every year excellent but not the most spectacular ever. It's gold for his career status but there was room for Santo.

I couldn't resist that 13.4 WARP

[Westlake]

i think i have someone who wants to take over a newly open team, if thats ok with you fellas in the NL.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Yeah I wouldn't mind an NL team.

[Wade8813]

Yeah I wouldn't mind an NL team. Even if your NL team wouldn't be simmed, and wouldn't be in the vote?

[plask_stirlac]

All right, forget about 13 being special, apparently the sim can handle it (though it wouldn't fly in real life).

Was is the general opinion of letting someone (this fellow) take over for a team?

[Westlake]

Was is the general opinion of letting someone (this fellow) take over for a team?

Huh? I dont understand this sentance.

[Minstrel]

Huh? I dont understand this sentance.

He's continuing a discussion from the NL Draft thread...start from post #198.

Then come back to this. ;)

[plask_stirlac]

We have two teams without anyone to pick for them, should we let applicant owners take over for them?

[The Splendid Splinter]

Since Wade and MarinerFan can vouch for him... I'm fine with him taking over TBT's team...

[Windy City Fan]

Fine by me. What are we gonna do for cashwrapper's team till we find a replacement? I made two picks when my turn came up, because I'm assuming we're gonna skip him till we find a replacement. Plask_Stirlac seemed opposed to ghost teams.

[plask_stirlac]

Okay Washizzle Express has meandered his way in. We'll skip cashwrapper's unfortunately (for any possible owners).

If someone wants to LIST pick for a ghost team, that's fine let us in on how the list went and don't pick duplicates of position for guys they already have, that's too ridiculous.

[Erik Bedard]

Attention AstrosFan: Please make a post with your roster in the appropriate thread. Thank you.

P.S. If we decide to list pick for cashwrapper, then someone should probably do the same for that team.

[tearforamariner]

If anyone is looking for a second basemen, make me an offer.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I'm stunned that George Sisler lasted so long. I thought he was a lot of people's golden boy here ate BBF? ;)

[Wade8813]

It's because not a lot of first basemen have been picked in the NL - probably in large part because everyone knows there's a lot of people available there, and less elsewhere.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

ElHalo,

Do you like how I'm building an "ElHalo" All-Star team? :D

[ElHalo]

ElHalo,

Do you like how I'm building an "ElHalo" All-Star team? :D

Well, other than the Johnson and Schilling part (might be some lingering bad memories there). But your position players are top notch.

Other than Honus Wagner, whom I've never been particularly enamored of, all of my guys are personal favorites of mine, so I can't complain. I was actually debating on my number four starter spot between Dean, my favorite pitcher ever, and another guy who statistically might have been slightly better, but also was somebody I hated with a passion. Had to go with Dean. Sometimes the emotion just overtakes you.

I'm happy with my team so far, though: A nice full rotation of star pitchers, and three fantastic hitters who are also spectacular defenders at their positions. My lineup will probably be weaker than most due to my early emphasis on pitching, but Wagner, Delahanty, and Greenberg make a pretty fine 3-4-5 meat of the order.

And it's not like anybody's hitting any homers at Hilltop Park anyway.

[Windy City Fan]

I gotta say, I'm loving my lineup. Look at this top 6.

LF Henderson
3B Boggs
1B Thomas
CF Mays
RF Speaker
C Cochrane

Outside of Thomas there's not a weak glove in the bunch, and I'll gladly swallow Thomas' subpar defense at first to get that bat in the lineup. My pitching staff still needs to be filled out, but with 3 Finger Brown and Marichal at the top of my rotation, I feel good.

[candy curveball cummings]

I gotta say, I'm loving my lineup. Look at this top 6.

LF Henderson
3B Boggs
1B Thomas
CF Mays
RF Speaker
C Cochrane

Outside of Thomas there's not a weak glove in the bunch, and I'll gladly swallow Thomas' subpar defense at first to get that bat in the lineup. My pitching staff still needs to be filled out, but with 3 Finger Brown and Marichal at the top of my rotation, I feel good.

Not bad, and you did still Henderson from me, but I think my offense is better. Check out my starting 8 (note: not the batting order):


C Yogi Berra
1B Mark McGwire
2B Charlie Gehringer
3B Dick Allen
SS Alex Rodriguez
RF Joe Jackson
CF Joe DiMaggio
LF Manny Ramirez

[Williamsburg2599]

As long as were talking about how great our lineups are, I love my pitching.:):
SP:John Clarkson
SP:Roger Clemens


Clarkson and Clemens and pray to the heavens.:D

[candy curveball cummings]

As long as were talking about how great our lineups are, I love my pitching.:):
SP:John Clarkson
SP:Roger Clemens


Clarkson and Clemens and pray to the heavens.:D

I can't wait to see how Clarkson and Clemens stack up against this:

Per Season OPS+s of my starting 8:

Yogi Berra: 142
Mark McGwire: 203
Charlie Gehringer: 144
Dick Allen: 181
Alex Rodriguez: 160
Joe Jackson: 192
Joe DiMaggio: 185
Manny Ramirez 185

FIVE are guys 180 or better.

I wonder who will be "praying to the heavens". :D

[Westlake]

I can't wait to see how Clarkson and Clemens stack up against this:

Per Season OPS+s of my starting 8:

Yogi Berra: 142
Mark McGwire: 203
Charlie Gehringer: 144
Dick Allen: 181
Alex Rodriguez: 160
Joe Jackson: 192
Joe DiMaggio: 185
Manny Ramirez 185

FIVE are guys 180 or better.

I wonder who will be "praying to the heavens". :D

Didn't your mama ever tell you that no likes a bragger?

[candy curveball cummings]

Didn't your mama ever tell you that no likes a bragger?

No, but she used to quote Dizzy Dean a lot.


"It ain't braggin' if you can back it up."

I probably won't win, but I guarantee you this: I'll sell the most tickets.

[Westlake]

No, but she used to quote Dizzy Dean a lot.


"It ain't braggin' if you can back it up."

I probably won't win, but I guarantee you this: I'll sell the most tickets.

Your mom used to quote Dizzy Dean? That's solid.

[Williamsburg2599]

I can't wait to see how Clarkson and Clemens stack up against this:

Per Season OPS+s of my starting 8:

Yogi Berra: 142
Mark McGwire: 203
Charlie Gehringer: 144
Dick Allen: 181
Alex Rodriguez: 160
Joe Jackson: 192
Joe DiMaggio: 185
Manny Ramirez 185

FIVE are guys 180 or better.

I wonder who will be "praying to the heavens". :D
Smacktalk, eh? Well your guys better switch from normal Gatorade to Gatorade AM, because they's about to get's a wakeup call.:D :crazy
19848

Clarkson's 3rd highest WARP1 is 16.8, same as Ruth's 1927 Season. Not to mention Williams and Ott......

[candy curveball cummings]

Smacktalk, eh? Well your guys better switch from normal Gatorade to Gatorade AM, because they's about to get's a wakeup call.:D :crazy
19848

Clarkson's 3rd highest WARP1 is 16.8, same as Ruth's 1927 Season. Not to mention Williams and Ott......

That's cool and all, but the Sim has nothing to do with WARP1.

[Williamsburg2599]

That's cool and all, but the Sim has nothing to do with WARP1.
True... True... :D, but who do you have on the mound?

[candy curveball cummings]

True... True... :D, but who do you have on the mound?

Minor details. :D I have a few tricks up my sleeve.

[Windy City Fan]

Not bad, and you did still Henderson from me, but I think my offense is better. Check out my starting 8 (note: not the batting order):


C Yogi Berra
1B Mark McGwire
2B Charlie Gehringer
3B Dick Allen
SS Alex Rodriguez
RF Joe Jackson
CF Joe DiMaggio
LF Manny Ramirez

Your offense is frightening, no doubt, but your defense is quite shakey. Allen and Rodriguez will be a weak left side of the infield for you. McGwire was almost Frank Thomas bad at first. And Manny is horrible fielder as well. DiMaggio and Berra will help, and Gehringer is sure handed, but not terribly rangey. And then of course, there's the small issue of a pitching staff.

My offense is almost as good (at least batters 1 through 6), but I didn't have to compromise defense to get there (except Thomas).

[Westlake]

Your offense is frightening, no doubt, but your defense is quite shakey. Allen and Rodriguez will be a weak left side of the infield for you. McGwire was almost Frank Thomas bad at first. And Manny is horrible fielder as well. DiMaggio and Berra will help, and Gehringer is sure handed, but not terribly rangey. And then of course, there's the small issue of a pitching staff.

My offense is almost as good (at least batters 1 through 6), but I didn't have to compromise defense to get there (except Thomas).

Since when was Rodriguez weak defensively at SS?

Gehringer was also known as a pretty good defensive player.

[Windy City Fan]

Rodriguez in the real world is an average to above average SS. In this sim, he'll be one of the weaker fielding SS. Gehringer has a good rep, but he's more of the sure handed, but not too rangey mold of an infielder. Of course, it all depends on how the sim models defense too.

[Minstrel]

Rodriguez in the real world is an average to above average SS. In this sim, he'll be one of the weaker fielding SS. Gehringer has a good rep, but he's more of the sure handed, but not too rangey mold of an infielder. Of course, it all depends on how the sim models defense too.

I disagree on Alex Rodriguez. I never got the sense that most felt his Gold Gloves at short were undeserved, which would make him an excellent fielder. He has/had both range and a powerful arm.

[Windy City Fan]

Most advanced metrics I've seen show A-Rod to be a little above average for his career at short and at his best he probably rates around good. I didn't bother to see how his defense for the season CCC chose rates, but career-wise Rodriguez is certainly not excellent. Even at his best, I don't think you could call A-Rod an excellent defensive SS.

NOTE: I decided to look up A-Rod for 1996. RAA rates him at +13, not historically great or excellent, but still strong. Then again, if I recall, RAA was one of the metrics that was most favorable towards A-Rod. Anyone that has that info in defensive win shares, zone rating, ultimate zone rating, DRA, and Matt's PCA system, feel free to share.

Sadly, there is no one defensive metric I feel totally comfortable with, so I like to see what each system has to say. That said, in 1996, A-Rod might be a little better than I was giving him credit for, but he's still not going to be a standout defensively in this league.

[Westlake]

I disagree on Alex Rodriguez. I never got the sense that most felt his Gold Gloves at short were undeserved, which would make him an excellent fielder. He has/had both range and a powerful arm.

Agreed. Most of the people that thought that Rodriguez was overrated defensively are those who didn't really watch him all that much and thought he won his gold gloves just because he was a star hitter. Not saying this is you, Windy City Fan, just saying in general. In the real world, both by seeing him and the statistics, he was a good SS.

While no one said he was going to be stand out good, you said he was going to be weak, which I think most of us would disagree with you.

[Minstrel]

NOTE: I decided to look up A-Rod for 1996. RAA rates him at +13, not historically great or excellent, but still strong.

BP's FRAA (fielding runs above average) has him at +14 for 1996, which is excellent. Ozzie Smith, by comparison, was generally between 15 and 25, which is obviously best-ever territory.

[plask_stirlac]

+13 is a lot, the only thing against him really is playing KingDome/Arlington. Era perhaps but he was generally a Top 5 range hitter even as a SS (and moreso out of anyone with an above-average contribution on defense, any position).

[tearforamariner]

the only thing against him really is playing KingDome/Arlington.

This shouldn't be a problem for CCC. He has decided to go with Sick's. A Rod would most likely look better in that park.

[plask_stirlac]

I've played A-Rod 1996 in Coors against much more ordinary (but still good) pitching... though a small sample, he was very good but still not as effective. It wasn't really that close to matching RL because of Coors, he slugged maybe .550 and had a .390 OBP.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

ElHalo,

I picked another one of "your" guys. :D

[ElHalo]

ElHalo,

I picked another one of "your" guys. :D

You picked two more of my guys; I'm insanely jealous of your team. Although, like I said, everybody on my team except for Honus so far is one of my favorites.

[Erik Bedard]

Does anyone want to list pick for cashwrapper's team? I can't delete it, because OOTP won't let me have a 13-team league, and I can't leave it, because it has to fill the 25-player minimum. I'd be willing to do it, but I'm not sure what list to use.

[The Dude]

Shouldn't you manually be able to delete the team after you've created the league?

[Erik Bedard]

I just figured out how. That's the only thing I don't like about OOTP, how hard it is to find stuff.

[Williamsburg2599]

Word is that "that other league" is trying to plan a lighting round this weekend, should we too?

[Minstrel]

Word is that "that other league" is trying to plan a lighting round this weekend, should we too?

Damn it, we have a narc on our hands.

[Williamsburg2599]

Damn it, we have a narc on our hands.
I stop by from time to time, see if any teams will be able to compete with me in the World Series.:D

[The Dude]

No idea if I can make it. I'm heading home for the weekend where I don't have internet access, and it depends on what time I get back sunday.

Next weekend I won't be able to make it for sure as I'm going across the state for the weekend and going to be driving during the time we probably would have a draft.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Why did Vlad last so long? :confused:

[plask_stirlac]

Why did Vlad last so long? :confused:

Poor defense. Not many plays/9 innings, has fielding errors with his throwing errors. And there are similar hitters.

[ElHalo]

Why did Vlad last so long? :confused:

Defense defense defense. He's a pretty terrible defensive outfielder. I know that I personally, with my behemoth ballpark, and running after guys with tremendous defense and on base skills who don't necessarily hit homers (since they won't be able to in my park anyway).

[Williamsburg2599]

The AL is already in Round 16....:(

[candy curveball cummings]

Okay guys, I was put to the task of getting pitching to go with my outstanding lineup:


Whitey Ford, 176 ERA+
Jim Palmer, 156 ERA+
Orel Hershiser, 172 ERA+


I'd say I'm doing all right. Any opinions, other than how I need relief pitching now?

[plask_stirlac]

I figured I would diverge from the closer run, since most people had gotten one since my last pick, opting for Ryno. He's a triple-threat: power, speed and defense.

He didn't get on base at a Legend level, usually, but he had great power. Will that be enough? Will Sewell's OBP be enough? Well I'm putting him in front of Sandberg, and the defense looks great anyway.

[Sockeye]

Okay guys it looks like they are calling for an ice storm to hit my area (Ohio) this evening. Last time we had an ice storm our power was out for 6 days. So just in case I'm not able to make my picks I need someone to draft for me.
Any volunteers?

[plask_stirlac]

Wow that sucks, the power part. I'm in Minnesota and it's really starting to snow (after sleet and snow that didn't come last night) but I've very seldom had any downtime, and short downtimes at that for internet (never power, really).

So I'll volunteer. Probably less going on this weekend with the snow.

[Windy City Fan]

Okay guys, I was put to the task of getting pitching to go with my outstanding lineup:


Whitey Ford, 176 ERA+
Jim Palmer, 156 ERA+
Orel Hershiser, 172 ERA+


I'd say I'm doing all right. Any opinions, other than how I need relief pitching now?

Yeah, there is still pitching out there, you just have to scour about for it. Unfortunately, you grabbed Ford and Hershiser in the same round I was set to grab to them. :(

[ElHalo]

Yeah, there is still pitching out there, you just have to scour about for it. Unfortunately, you grabbed Ford and Hershiser in the same round I was set to grab to them. :(

I grabbed Warren Spahn's 11.1 WARP1 in the eleventh round. Not quite sure how that happened.

[Minstrel]

I grabbed Warren Spahn's 11.1 WARP1 in the eleventh round. Not quite sure how that happened.

Me either. That's crazy.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Me either. That's crazy.

I thought about it, but I decided I didn't want him because of he was never a strikeout pitcher. Look at how many walks he has in that season too compared to strikeouts. Ew.

[Windy City Fan]

I looked at Spahn. His WARP is nice in part because he has a ton of innings, but his rate stats aren't all that great outside of his best two seasons. ERA+ is a mere 123. His WHIP in '51 was 8th in the league at 1.246. Had a lot of walks that year and did not make the top ten in BB/9. His K/9 is 5th in the league. His K/BB ratio is only 1.5 (8th in the league). I know BP's translated stats make him look pretty good, but I'm not convinced they're gospel. I think Spahn will be a solid middle rotation innings eater, but that's about it here. I had Frank Tanana ranked a lot higher for this sim.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I looked at Spahn. His WARP is nice in part because he has a ton of innings, but his rate stats aren't all that great outside of his best two seasons. ERA+ is a mere 123. His WHIP in '51 was 8th in the league at 1.246. Had a lot of walks that year and did not make the top ten in BB/9. His K/9 is 5th in the league. His K/BB ratio is only 1.5 (8th in the league). I know BP's translated stats make him look pretty good, but I'm not convinced they're gospel. I think Spahn will be a solid middle rotation innings eater, but that's about it here. I had Frank Tanana ranked a lot higher for this sim.

And I'm lucky that I noticed him. :laugh

I'm not trying to rub it in your face, that's just the beauty of this draft. :)

[plask_stirlac]

11.1 WARP on its own doesn't make him a fantastic steal. Keep in mind the quality of replacement players gets better over time, but that doesn't factor into WARP1. But it also isn't 13, 14 WARP1.

[ElHalo]

11.1 WARP on its own doesn't make him a fantastic steal. Keep in mind the quality of replacement players gets better over time, but that doesn't factor into WARP1. But it also isn't 13, 14 WARP1.

And who has a 13 or 14 WARP1 guy in their fifth starter slot?

[plask_stirlac]

Nobody, unless there's some long lost 1800s fellow. John Clarkson could have the most value with his inordinate IP/162, but did that mean he was overlooked grievously or just passed a while?

[The Splendid Splinter]

This goes to Williamsburg... he has Early Wynn as his closer and he can't be the closer... Wynn was a starter throughout his career.

[Williamsburg2599]

This goes to Williamsburg... he has Early Wynn as his closer and he can't be the closer... Wynn was a starter throughout his career.
I thought we could make starters relevers but not the other way around?

[plask_stirlac]

I think the 14th team needs to get addressed... I know some databases that could get 10+ roughly similar position players or pitchers based on overall value (in salary), though not "third best" season. At least the first part would be very quick. There might be some picks snapped from people, but mostly just solid guys. It won't be like an expansion draft (although...).

If someone else wants to ghost pick just post, we'll confirm, and you win.

[Westlake]

I'll 'ghost' pick.

[plask_stirlac]

Catfish is a horse. I look at him as a prospect, those are his numbers against AAA hitting in an easier park. I'll get back to the "controlled" 90s guys soon enough.

[Washizzle Express]

Duke Snider is up for trade.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Duke Snider is up for trade.


Washizzle... at least offer me a trade for Snider... He may not be the guy I'm looking for but I like to trade or at least try to offer guys to make this league entertaining... so you know I do not have my 23rd-25th round pick due to other trades.

[tearforamariner]

BREAKING NEWS: Associate Press, Monday, March 12th, 2007.

The Tacoma Giants traded backup catcher Elston Howard and their 18th round draft pick to the Midwest Gale for Outfielder Cesar Cedeno and the their 20th round pick.

Giants GM "Iron Head" Thomas had this to say: "[Howard] is solid. He can play the outfield when you need him, and is pretty lights out behind the plate. But when Cedeno became available, we had to make our move. This guy can flat out run. Combine that with an excellent bat, we had to go after him. People will critize us for sure, as this is our 4th trade in two weeks. Are we overhauling the team? You betcha."


(Dudecar00 will confirm).

[The Dude]

(Confirmed).

The GM of the Gale, Buck Antanasio, had this to say at a press conference held in Green Bay, "We know releasing a guy like Cesar with such speed and a great bat might not be the best thing to do, but with the drafting of Reggie, and having the ability to acquire such a great utility player like Howard, we couldn't help but take the deal."

[plask_stirlac]

Why was Reggie available? Sosa and Kiner went right with him, he wasn't above Kiner. For starters in the .330-.340 EqA range I wanted defense to boot, 34-y.o. Reggie doesn't qualify.

His OBP was very good but with EqA, GPA, VORP, anything less driven by SLG he won't come out as great as 179 OPS+. Still a good pick.

[plask_stirlac]

Excellent pick on Izzy.

[plask_stirlac]

Cmon NL we were making good pace.

I know EH is at work and I had to PM Wolverineman... *sigh*

[plask_stirlac]

Sam is a fan of the twin bill, it seems, Campbell and Caudil (or Campbell versus Caudill? Think Pullman)

[SamtheBravesFan]

Sam is a fan of the twin bill, it seems, Campbell and Caudil (or Campbell versus Caudill? Think Pullman)

:laugh

Well, I'm done worrying about relievers. :)

[plask_stirlac]

:laugh

Well, I'm done worrying about relievers. :)

Hey, they fit the bill.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Hey, they fit the bill.

What the.... AWWWWWW NOOOOO! :laugh :p

[Sockeye]

Hall of fame second baseman Billy Herman is now officially on the market...In return I'm looking for a catcher, third baseman, or outfielder with an eligible warp1 season equal to or higher than Herman's best eligible season. If you are in the market for a quality 2B and have something I'm looking for to offer in return please feel free to PM me. Thank you

[plask_stirlac]

RE: Kaline

There are OFs, and then there are OFs. Then there are even more OFs. Good pick, though.

[The Splendid Splinter]

RE: Kaline

There are OFs, and then there are OFs. Then there are even more OFs. Good pick, though.


but hard to find a GG at RF and CF... then having a .340/.421/.546 line... oh yeah also a 162 OPS+ and 9.9 WARP1 i believe.

[plask_stirlac]

I'm surprised he lasted this long but I can believe it.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Another trade news between me and TFAM:


I get: Barry Larkin 1995


TFAM get: Harmon Killebrew 1961



TFAM will confirm this...

[plask_stirlac]

TFAM and I have agreed to a trade.

My 21st and 22nd rd picks that I've had all the while for Derek Lowe and TFAM's 25th rd pick he got from Splinter.

http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/pics/lowewin.jpg

Derek Lowe when batters still couldn't hit his sinker.

[Westlake]

Derek Lowe when batters still couldn't hit his sinker.


Everyone could hit it... straight into the ground. He was awesome for about 3 years in Boston. One of my favorite players. VIP at BC's sorority parties.

[tearforamariner]

I confirm both trades.

[ElHalo]

The last time I did a historical draft, two of my current starters were on my team as well, but both were bench players (Frankie Frisch and Max Carey were backing up Rogers Hornsby and Duke Snider, respectively). Strange. Then again, my number three starter on that team was, if I recall, Eppa Rixey.

[Williamsburg2599]

I am dropping RAMON MARTINEZ.

[plask_stirlac]

For cashwrapper should we just have two picks each to fill it in after waivers? Fill it in from a real 25-man roster, like 1964 ________?

[ElHalo]

For cashwrapper should we just have two picks each to fill it in after waivers? Fill it in from a real 25-man roster, like 1964 ________?

Whatever will get it done quickest.

[candy curveball cummings]

Last night, TFAM and I came to a trade agreement. To the Tacoma Giants go Shoeless Joe Jackson, Jim Palmer, and Eddie Guardado. To the Centerfielders go Steve Carlton, Tony Gwynn, and Al Holland.

The Centerfielders desperately need leftie pitching, and we gain an all-time great lefty starter (Carlton) and one hell of a great lefty reliever (Holland). Although we hate to see Shoeless go, We welcome Tony Gwynn with welcoming arms.

(TFAM will confirm).

[tearforamariner]

I confirm.

Joe Jackson is too hard to pass up. Letting my lefties go was hard, but in the end, I think I have a great outfield now and my team can really contend.

[plask_stirlac]

Can we just list off some players for the fill-in team formerly picked by cashwrapper?

Kevin Appier 1996
David Cone 1988
Eddie Plank 1908

RP Mike Williams 1998

Jay Bell SS 1997

I can just fill it in if need be.

[plask_stirlac]

Bump

13 isn't going to to work, right? Any input, fellas?

[Wade8813]

Plask, you seem to be confused. I thought we resolved this - the league can run just as well whether it has 14 or 13 teams.

[plask_stirlac]

Oh, okay, if it works for Erik and the program, fine.