AL Discussion Thread

[-Kyle-]

Bat him first. Seriously.
Seriously? Slow, Lumbering Bonds who has a .799 Slugging?

[-Kyle-]

I have to say...Westlakes bullpen is beastly.

[AlecBoy006]

My team name: Burbank Thunder

My park: Shibe Park, 1922

Dimensions:

L: 334
C: 468
RC: 393
R: 380

Backstop: 90 ft.

Fences: Left: 12, Center: 20, Right: 50.

[-Kyle-]

My team name: Burbank Thunder

My park: Shibe Park, 1922

Dimensions:

L: 334
C: 468
RC: 393
R: 380

Backstop: 90 ft.

Fences: Left: 12, Center: 20, Right: 50.
That can go in the AL rosters thread. :)

[AlecBoy006]

Yeah.

Thanks to TFAM who inspired me for making this ball park

*Starts making World Series DVD, hires a man off the streets to buy champagne, and the rest of BBF polishes my World Series trophy*

[yanks0714]

Has a decision been made on how the Bench players are to be used? Injuries turned on?

It makes a difference in who to select. My team has some but not a whole lot of flexibility.

[-Kyle-]

*Starts making World Series DVD, hires a man off the streets to buy champagne, and the rest of BBF polishes my World Series trophy*
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
We shall see....

[AlecBoy006]

We can turn injuries on/off????

Wow...

Well, Johnny Bench should be a beast for my team.

[Erik Bedard]

Has a decision been made on how the Bench players are to be used? Injuries turned on?

It makes a difference in who to select. My team has some but not a whole lot of flexibility.

I think, that since we're going to be simming multiple seasons, we should leave injuries on. Makes the results a little less predictable.

[yanks0714]

I think, that since we're going to be simming multiple seasons, we should leave injuries on. Makes the results a little less predictable.

With only 4 bench players??? Man, we could end up with some guys playing totally out of postion which I think defeats the purpose of this entire endeavor. For example, due to injuries the game could move Hank Aaron to SS where he has no experience. That would crush my defense.

I thought the idea would be to see who's team was the best. If that's the case injuries should not be part of the equation. Injuries allow an intangible that we, or at least I, weren't expecting.

[Erik Bedard]

Good point. I have injuries turned on, but the frequency is set to "very low". This should make it so that you will almost never have two players on your team injured at the same time. I recommend drafting one starter to put in the bullpen, one reserve outfielder, one reserve infielder (preferably SS), and a backup catcher, as well as one spare. You don't HAVE to do this, but that's what I'm going to do. BTW, in case of injuries, a DH can play the field. Don't forget that.

[-Kyle-]

I see a ton more of Great hitting 1b (and a DH) still here. Wade you were right, I probably took Perez too high.

[Wade8813]

I didn't say you took Perez too high, just that he probably wasn't really a sleeper. Heck, I took my 1Bman and DH before you picked him, (although I like mine a bit more than yours). In fact, I think that was about the right time for him to get taken. There are definitely great hitters left, but I only know of one who was available then who put up comprable numbers (Thome). Could you have gotten him later? Maybe. Was it too soon to pick him? I don't think so.

[yanks0714]

Good point. I have injuries turned on, but the frequency is set to "very low". This should make it so that you will almost never have two players on your team injured at the same time. I recommend drafting one starter to put in the bullpen, one reserve outfielder, one reserve infielder (preferably SS), and a backup catcher, as well as one spare. You don't HAVE to do this, but that's what I'm going to do. BTW, in case of injuries, a DH can play the field. Don't forget that.

Thanks, that is what I needed to hear.

My DH, Goose Goslin can play either LF or RF. Most of my starting postion players have some flexibility but I think Mize, Boudreau, Mantle, and Simmons are locked into their respective positions.

If we draft another SP is that against Minstral's rules?

[Minstrel]

If we draft another SP is that against Minstral's rules?

No, these are the only roster construction rules:

* Must have 1 starting C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, RF, CF, LF
* AL teams must have a DH
* Must have 4-5 starting pitchers
* Must have at least 4 relief pitchers

You can draft a 6th starting pitcher and not use him except in emergency (no different than drafting an extra third baseman for use in case of injury). Alternatively, you can find a pitcher who qualifies as both a starter and reliever (3 full seasons as each) and use him in a swing role. Relief until a starter goes down, and then start him until the injured starter returns.

But we need some new rules for that. Because if you pick a "swing" pitcher and select a relief sim year, it's unfair to use his relief numbers as a starter--relief pitchers often put up much better numbers, in their best years, than starters.

Therefore, new rule: If you pick a pitcher that you want the flexibility to use as a starter or reliever (and this pitcher meets the eligibility requirements for both), then pick two years...one from a year he started to sim him as a starter, one from a year he relieved to sim him as a reliever. Neither year can be one of his two career best.

[yanks0714]

No, these are the only roster construction rules:

* Must have 1 starting C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, RF, CF, LF
* AL teams must have a DH
* Must have 4-5 starting pitchers
* Must have at least 4 relief pitchers

You can draft a 6th starting pitcher and not use him except in emergency (no different than drafting an extra third baseman for use in case of injury). Alternatively, you can find a pitcher who qualifies as both a starter and reliever (3 full seasons as each) and use him in a swing role. Relief until a starter goes down, and then start him until the injured starter returns.

But we need some new rules for that. Because if you pick a "swing" pitcher and select a relief sim year, it's unfair to use his relief numbers as a starter--relief pitchers often put up much better numbers, in their best years, than starters.

Therefore, new rule: If you pick a pitcher that you want the flexibility to use as a starter or reliever (and this pitcher meets the eligibility requirements for both), then pick two years...one from a year he started to sim him as a starter, one from a year he relieved to sim him as a reliever. Neither year can be one of his two career best.

Okay, thanks.
Maybe I was the only one who was uncertain so I needed to ask the question.
With your answer and EB's I now understand better and how I need to proceed in the draft, gee, only 16 rounds into the draft. :rolleyes:

[ChrisLDuncan]

No, these are the only roster construction rules:

* Must have 1 starting C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, RF, CF, LF
* AL teams must have a DH
* Must have 4-5 starting pitchers
* Must have at least 4 relief pitchers

You can draft a 6th starting pitcher and not use him except in emergency (no different than drafting an extra third baseman for use in case of injury). Alternatively, you can find a pitcher who qualifies as both a starter and reliever (3 full seasons as each) and use him in a swing role. Relief until a starter goes down, and then start him until the injured starter returns.

But we need some new rules for that. Because if you pick a "swing" pitcher and select a relief sim year, it's unfair to use his relief numbers as a starter--relief pitchers often put up much better numbers, in their best years, than starters.

Therefore, new rule: If you pick a pitcher that you want the flexibility to use as a starter or reliever (and this pitcher meets the eligibility requirements for both), then pick two years...one from a year he started to sim him as a starter, one from a year he relieved to sim him as a reliever. Neither year can be one of his two career best.



Due to this new found rule as it pertains to my Smoltz pick I'm picking his 2003 as a relief but 2005 for his year as a starter.

[Minstrel]

Due to this new found rule as it pertains to my Smoltz pick I'm picking his 2003 as a relief but 2005 for his year as a starter.

Okay. I'm going to record such players, on the first page, as:

Player : Starter Year / Relief Year

[-Kyle-]

I jumped at Ott after considering some middle infielders. He had the second- highest career OPS of anyone remaining (I think), and the other guy would have forced Pujols off of first base.
His '35 season was higher than '34 in WARP1, but only by .1. The WARP3s were equal. '34 had higher BA, OBP, and SLG.

Crude methods of decision, sure, but I'm know at least 2/3 of the 4/5 2B and SS I was looking at will still be around when I'm up again.
He can play 3b so you can draft a power hitting RF if you wanted to.

[AlecBoy006]

Oh yeah! I got Sam Rice!

[-Kyle-]

Oh yeah! I got Sam Rice!
Eh, not very desirable. His 123 OPS+ could've been taken in a later round if you really wanted him. :lookitup I could find some other players who are a bit better than him.

[Erik Bedard]

... such as Albert Belle. :dance :dance :D :D

[Minstrel]

... such as Albert Belle. :dance :dance :D :D

Or Jim Thome. :coffee

[-Kyle-]

... such as Albert Belle. :dance :dance :D :D
Does the Sim adjust innings like inninngs above average? Or does it only pitch them 200 something inngins?

[Erik Bedard]

It depends on the era I put it in. Right now, I have it in 1985, though that can be changed, and the default setting for Starter Endurance is 1.1 something, with 1.000 being modern-day MLB.

[-Kyle-]

It depends on the era I put it in. Right now, I have it in 1985, though that can be changed, and the default setting for Starter Endurance is 1.1 something, with 1.000 being modern-day MLB.

Because I might wish to change Ed Walsh's current season (one with 400IP and 149 ERA+) to another (with 230 IP and 163 ERA+). So if all starters pitch 200ish inninngs, I want the latter season.

[ChrisLDuncan]

How much does this sim cost EB?

[Erik Bedard]

Thirty-five bucks.

[Erik Bedard]

Because I might wish to change Ed Walsh's current season (one with 400IP and 149 ERA+) to another (with 230 IP and 163 ERA+). So if all starters pitch 200ish inninngs, I want the latter season.

They'll all pitch around the same amount.

[-Kyle-]

They'll all pitch around the same amount.
Thanks


Thirty-five bucks.

For the download or each sim?

[Erik Bedard]

For the download (available at ootpdevelopments.com)

[-Kyle-]

For the download (available at ootpdevelopments.com)
I was about to say...that is a pretty big ripoff for $35 a sim.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Lighting Round Thursday?

[Minstrel]

Lighting Round Thursday?

Every Thursday until the draft is done, from 8 to 10 PM EST.

Those who can't make it, give lists to other people. You've been warned (and were warned earlier in this thread)!

[ChrisLDuncan]

Do it in the draft thread, and PM the people too...that way they have no excuse.

[-Kyle-]

Pete Rose and Tony Perez, together, are a great combo on my team. If an OF or 2b gets injured, Rose can move there and Perez can take 3b, allowing a big slugger into 1b. With this, I only need an extra SS, Catcher, and maybe OF, so I can squeeze one more guy into my bullpen. I am really like Rose now.

[Westlake]

Carl Mays is available for trade. As are most of my starters, I have 6 very good ones.

Mays 1917: 289 Innings Pitched, 1.74 ERA, 148 ERA+, 1.05 WHIP

[plask_stirlac]

Who knows if my list is special at all, but I'm wondering if my list is going to be all taken here, for relievers.

We'll see, a few notables haven't gone. Some I really doubt will..

[Minstrel]

Who knows if my list is special at all, but I'm wondering if my list is going to be all taken here, for relievers.

We'll see, a few notables haven't gone. Some I really doubt will..

PM me your list please. ;)

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

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[Wade8813]

DMF and I have agreed to a trade.

I give DMF Nap Lajoie, Rube Marquard, and Earl Averill.

He gives me Rogers Hornsby, Mordecai Brown, and his 20th pick.

He'll confirm this in a while - he's gone right now.

[Minstrel]

DMF and I have agreed to a trade.

I give DMF Nap Lajoie, Rube Marquard, and Earl Averill.

He gives me Rogers Hornsby, Mordecai Brown, and his 20th pick.

He'll confirm this in a while - he's gone right now.

Quite a blockbuster.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Does the draft start at seven central or EST?

[Wade8813]

8 EST (too short)

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

DMF and I have agreed to a trade.

I give DMF Nap Lajoie, Rube Marquard, and Earl Averill.

He gives me Rogers Hornsby, Mordecai Brown, and his 20th pick.

He'll confirm this in a while - he's gone right now.

I Confirm upon the trade.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

Quite a blockbuster.
yessiree, it was quite a blockbuster trade. Best part was that it was beneficial to both of us. It took us quite a while to work out all the details.

[Minstrel]

BTW, DMF, you can't put Joe Jackson in center. He didn't play 162 games there in his career.

[Wade8813]

He and I noticed that last night. He was going to trade me Joe Jackson, and get Simmons, plus a bunch of other people were going to change hands, when I realized Jackson didn't qualify to be my CF. So, I looked at my list of remaining CFers again, and realized that Averill was still available, and that it was almost my pick. So that's why things ended up the way they did - with my team being a lot better than it was going to be, because I kept Simmons.

[-Kyle-]

He and I noticed that last night. He was going to trade me Joe Jackson, and get Simmons, plus a bunch of other people were going to change hands, when I realized Jackson didn't qualify to be my CF. So, I looked at my list of remaining CFers again, and realized that Averill was still available, and that it was almost my pick. So that's why things ended up the way they did - with my team being a lot better than it was going to be, because I kept Simmons.
!!! :lookitup Brilliant!

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

!!! :lookitup Brilliant!
That was a huge, blundering oversight.... me not noticing he didn't qualify at Center field.

Oh BTW, any one interested in trading for Joe Jackson, Babe Herman or Harry Heilmann?

[Erik Bedard]

I don't believe Buck Ewing is eligible, as he never played 120 games in a season.

[Minstrel]

I don't believe Buck Ewing is eligible, as he never played 120 games in a season.

80% of his team's scheduled games, or 70% for a catcher, strike seasons ineligible.

[Westlake]

I don't believe Buck Ewing is eligible, as he never played 120 games in a season.

We've gone over this before.

[Erik Bedard]

I thought that Brouthers was OK, because he played 120 games in other seasons, and played 80% of his team's games in the chosen season. Ewing, on the other hand, never played 120 games in a season. Guess the rules changed and nobody told me. :crazy

[Minstrel]

I thought that Brouthers was OK, because he played 120 games in other seasons, and played 80% of his team's games in the chosen season. Ewing, on the other hand, never played 120 games in a season. Guess the rules changed and nobody told me. :crazy

Nope. This has been the rule since the start....there has never been a 120 game standard during this draft. I originally suggested a 120 game standard, but it was noted that in some seasons, the schedule was less than 120 games, so we switched it to 80% of a team's scheduled games (or 70% for a catcher) before we began the draft.

[-Kyle-]

Pete Rose and Will Clark are up for trade.

[-Kyle-]

Prediction to win the AL pennant: Wee Willie...his team has a 177 OPS+ and Good Defense with great Pitching.

[Erik Bedard]

I agree. I like my team for the vote, though I'll probably finish near the bottom in the sim. I drafted great players, not great years.

[Wade8813]

Unless people vote on how they think they'll do in the sim... :laugh

[Wee Willie]

Prediction to win the AL pennant: Wee Willie...his team has a 177 OPS+ and Good Defense with great Pitching.
Thanks, Kyle. You've got a great team too. I think there are going to be 4 or 5 teams that will be strong contenders.

[Huntington Avenue]

Well, I've made some WTF picks, but overall I didn't do too bad. This is my first time doing this sort of thing. I'd barely even heard of baseball before I started following the White Sox in July of '04.

[Wade8813]

Really? That's very impressive.

I've done all-time drafts before, but it was always with just a couple other people, so the knowledge needed to make good picks was less.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm looking for a lefty reliever. Any offers will be considered that do not involve Mays or Maddux.

[Minstrel]

I'm looking for a lefty reliever. Any offers will be considered...

Dave Righetti for Greg Maddux!


...that do not involve Mays or Maddux.

Damn you and your fine print.

[Wade8813]

He said considered. I'll consider ANY trade. Offer me your bench for my entire team. I'll consider it for about half a millisecond before I reject it.

[Erik Bedard]

I'd even be willing to trade Mike Schmidt for a package that includes a lefty reliever.

[Westlake]

I've changed my team name from Brooklyn Robins to 'Brooklyn Robyns".

[Wee Willie]

I'm looking for a lefty reliever. Any offers will be considered that do not involve Mays or Maddux.
I just sent you a PM.

[Erik Bedard]

Got it, am replying right now.

[538280]

Are we going to start the sims any time soon here?

[Erik Bedard]

I'm almost done the AL. Then I'll have to do the NL. As I've said before, if you want to get it started faster, and don't mind doing a little work, PM me.

[Erik Bedard]

Great news: I just finished adding in all 25 rounds for the AL. I've also put the players on their teams for Westlake's team and my team. I'll probably finish when I've got another night where I'm not doing anything.

[Minstrel]

Great news: I just finished adding in all 25 rounds for the AL. I've also put the players on their teams for Westlake's team and my team. I'll probably finish when I've got another night where I'm not doing anything.

Nice work.

[-Kyle-]

Great news: I just finished adding in all 25 rounds for the AL. I've also put the players on their teams for Westlake's team and my team. I'll probably finish when I've got another night where I'm not doing anything.

Awesome. :thumbsup:

[Huntington Avenue]

Wow, and I thought we'd crashed and burned! Good work, keep it up!