All Time Draft NL Draft Thread ___NL___

[plask_stirlac]

Welcome. It's the second thread so maybe this is the Junior Circuit now, heh. This will be the thread for picks, with brief explanations and pictures if you want to. If it isn't about your current pick(s), please post on the discussion thread. I've subscribed to both, though they should be pretty close to the top of the oft-visited History forum.

No DH. This league will have the entire pool of major league players with at least 3 full seasons.

This starts Monday 10 AM ET.

Order

Round 1

1. Babe Ruth ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1920
2. Ty Cobb ---tearforamariner --- 1911
3. Rogers Hornsby ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1922
4. Honus Wagner ---ElHalo--- 1907
5. Nap Lajoie ---The Splendid Splinter---1901
6. Walter Johnson --- Sockeye---1914
7. Eddie Collins --- AstrosFan--- 1915
8. Ted Williams --- Williamsburg2599---1941
9. Alex Rodriguez --- CCC --- 1996
10. Mickey Mantle --- plask_stirlac ---1961
11. Barry Bonds ---TBT---2002
12. Joe Morgan ---Dudecar00---1976
13. Willie Mays ---Windy City Fan---1957
14. Albert Pujols ---cashwrapper--- 2002

Round 2

1. Hank Aaron ---cashwrapper --- 1971
2. Tris Speaker ---Windy City Fan---1916
3. Pete Alexander ---Dudecar00---1915
4. Lou Gehrig ---TBT---1930
5. Pedro Martinez ---plask_stirlac--- 1997
6. Joe Dimaggio ---CCC--- ???
7. Roger Clemens ---Williamsburg2599---1990
8. Stan Musial ---Astrosfan---1944
9. Ed Walsh ---Sockeye---1912
10. Christy Mathewson ---The Splendid Splinter---1909
11. Lefty Grove ---ElHalo---1932
12. Mike Piazza ---Honus Wagner Rules---1995
13. Jimmie Foxx ---TFAM--- 1933
14. Johnny Bench ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1975

Round 3

1. Ron Santo ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1966
2. Sandy Koufax ---tearforamariner --- 1965
3. Randy Johnson ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 2001
4. Bob Feller ---ElHalo--- 1939
5. Arky Vaughan---The Splendid Splinter---1934
6. Cy Young --- Sockeye---1895
7. Cal Ripken --- AstrosFan---1983
8. John Clarkson --- Williamsburg2599--- 1885
9. Charlie Gehringer ---Candy Curveball Cummings---1937
10. Greg Maddux --- plask_stirlac ---1997
11. Duke Snider ---TBT--- 1954
12. Mike Schmidt ---Dudecar00---1979
13. Mordecai Brown ---Windy City Fan---1906
14. Frank Robinson ---cashwrapper---1961

Round 4

1. Pete Rose ---cashwrapper--- 1976
2. Wade Boggs ---Windy City Fan---1986
3. Tom Seaver ---Dudecar00---1969
4. Rube Waddell ---TBT---1908
5. Eddie Mathews ---plask_stirlac---1954
6. Dick Allen ---CCC--- 1966
7. Mel Ott ---Williamsburg2599--- 1935
8. Carl Hubbell ---Astrosfan--- 1932
9. Hal Newhouser ---Sockeye--- 1946
10. Al Simmons ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1930
11. Bob Gibson ---ElHalo--- 1970
12. Ken Griffey Jr ---Honus Wagner Rules---1996
13. Jackie Robinson ---TFAM---1950
14. Ernie Banks ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1955

Round 5

1. Kid Nichols ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1898
2. Craig Biggio ---tearforamariner --- 1995
3. George Brett ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1979
4. Hank Greenberg ---ElHalo--- 1937
5. Ivan Rodriguez ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1999
6. Amos Rusie --- Sockeye--- 1892
7. Dazzy Vance --- AstrosFan--- 1927
8. Rabbit Maranville --- Williamsburg2599--- 1914
9. Yogi Berra ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 1950
10. Jeff Bagwell --- plask_stirlac --- 1999
11. Alfonso Soriano ---Washizzle--- 2002
12. Carl Yasztremski ---Dudecar00--- 1970
13. Mickey Cochrane ---Windy City Fan--- 1931
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper---

Round 6

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Juan "Dominican Dandy" Marichal ---Windy City Fan--- 1969
3. Johnny Mize ---Dudecar00--- 1947
4. Luke Appling ---Washizzle--- 1936
5. Johan Santana ---plask_stirlac--- 2005
6. Joe Jackson ---CCC--- 1913
7. Harry Stovey ---Williamsburg2599--- 1888
8. Roger Connor ---Astrosfan--- 1885
9. Hughie Jennings ---Sockeye--- 1895
10. Todd Helton ---The Splendid Splinter---2000
11. Ed Delahanty ---ElHalo--- 1895
12. George Sisler ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1922
13. Steve Carlton ---TFAM--- 1977
14. Dale Murphy ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1983

Round 7

1. Phil Niekro ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1969
2. Chipper Jones ---tearforamariner --- 1999
3. Curt Schilling ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 2002
4. Dizzy Dean ---ElHalo--- 1936
5. Kevin Brown ---The Splendid Splinter--- 2000
6. Gary Carter --- Sockeye--- 1985
7. Frank Baker --- AstrosFan--- 1911
8. Willie McCovey --- Williamsburg2599--- 1968
9. Mark McGwire ---Candy Curveball Cummings --- 1996
10. Bill Dickey --- plask_stirlac --- 1936
11. Edgar Martinez ---Washizzle--- 1996
12. Robin Roberts ---Dudecar00--- 1952
13. Rickey Henderson---Windy City Fan--- 1980
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper---

Round 8

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Frank Thomas ---Windy City Fan--- 1997
3. Robin Yount ---Dudecar00--- 1989
4. Carlton Fisk ---Washizzle--- 1983
5. Tim Raines ---plask_stirlac--- 1987
6. Manny Ramirez (I assume)---CCC--- 2001
7. Stan Hack ---Williamsburg2599--- 1938
8. Gaylord Perry ---Astrosfan--- 1966
9. Brooks Robinson ---Sockeye--- 1962
10. Billy Hamilton ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1895
11. Frankie Frisch ---ElHalo--- 1930
12. Chuck Klein ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1932
13. Nolan Ryan ---TFAM--- 1987
14. Fergie Jenkins ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1970

Round 9

1. Rod Carew ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1973
2. Tony Gwynn ---tearforamariner --- 1997
3. Derek Jeter ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1999
4. Mariano Rivera ---ElHalo--- 1999
5. Bill Dahlen ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1894
6. Mike Marshall --- Sockeye--- 1972
7. Bert Blyleven --- AstrosFan--- 1984
8. Jim Wynn --- Williamsburg2599--- 1969
9. Whitey Ford ---Candy Curveball Cummings --- 1958
10. Roberto Clemente --- plask_stirlac --- 1969
11. Tim Keefe ---Washizzle--- 1885
12. Bruce Sutter ---Dudecar00--- 1984
13. Dennis Eckersley ---Windy City Fan--- 1990
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper---

Round 10

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Billy Wagner ---Windy City Fan--- 2005
3. Richie Ashburn ---Dudecar00--- 1955
4. Howie Camnitz ---Washizzle--- 1908
5. Joe Sewell ---plask_stirlac--- 1923
6. Jim Palmer ---CCC--- 1973
7. Roberto Alomar ---Williamsburg2599--- 1999
8. Ted Simmons ---Astrosfan--- 1978
9. Dick Radatz ---Sockeye--- 1962
10. Hoyt Wilhelm ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1965
11. Paul Waner ---ElHalo--- 1928
12. Vladimir Guerrero ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 2000
13. Joe Cronin ---TFAM--- 1938
14. Frank Tanana ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1977

Round 11

1. Joe Medwick ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1935
2. Gary Sheffield ---tearforamariner ---
3. Eric Gagne ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 2004
4. Warren Spahn ---ElHalo--- 1951
5. John Smoltz ---The Splendid Splinter--- 2003
6. Rich Gossage --- Sockeye--- 1978
7. Earl Averill--- AstrosFan--- 1936
8. Early Wynn --- Williamsburg2599--- 1952
9. Orel Hershiser ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 1985
10. Ryne Sandberg --- plask_stirlac --- 1990
11. Sam Crawford ---Washizzle--- 1911
12. Roy Campanella ---Dudecar00--- 1955
13. Dave Stieb---Windy City Fan--- 1984
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper---


Round 12

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. George Davis ---Windy City Fan--- 1893
3. Bucky Walters ---Dudecar00--- 1940
4. Hippo Vaughn ---Washizzle-- 1917
5. Tug McGraw ---plask_stirlac--- 1980
6. Kent Tekulve ---CCC--- 1983
7. Roger Bresnahan ---Williamsburg2599--- 1903
8. Robb Nen ---Astrosfan--- 1996
9. John Hiller ---Sockeye--- 1976
10. Wilbur Wood ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1968
11. Sparky Lyle ---ElHalo--- 1974
12. Francisco Rodriguez ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 2004
13. John Franco ---TFAM--- 1985
14. Trevor Hoffman ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1997


Round 13

1. Tom Glavine ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1996
2. Addie Joss ---tearforamariner --- 1906
3. Sam McDowell ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1968
4. Gabby Hartnett ---ElHalo--- 1928
5. Troy Percival ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1995
6. Cupid Childs --- Sockeye--- 1896
7. Rob Dibble --- AstrosFan--- 1991
8. Dan Quisenberry --- Williamsburg2599--- 1982
9. Eddie Cicotte ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 1913
10. Keith Foulke --- plask_stirlac --- 1999
11. Vean Gregg ---Washizzle--- 1913
12. Tom Henke ---Dudecar00--- 1987
13. Roy Oswalt ---Windy City Fan--- 2006
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper--

Round 14

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. John Wetteland ---Windy City Fan--- 1998
3. Billy Pierce ---Dudecar00--- 1953
4. Harry Heilman ---Washizzle-- 1921
5. Catfish Hunter ---plask_stirlac--- 1972
6. Don Drysdale ---TFAM--- 1957 (from CCC)
7. Lee Smith ---Williamsburg2599--- 1986
8. B.J. Ryan ---Astrosfan--- 2004
9. Joe Nathan ---Sockeye--- 2005
10. Ted Lyons ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1942
11. Max Carey ---ElHalo--- 1922
12. Rod Beck ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1992
13. Babe Adams ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1919 (from TFAM)
14. Fred McGriff ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1988

Round 15

1. Duane Ward ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1992
2. Goose Goslin ---tearforamariner --- 1928
3. Paul Molitor ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1987
4. Armando Benitez ---ElHalo--- 1999
5. Mike Mussina ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1995
6. Dave Orr --- Sockeye--- 1885
7. Lefty Gomez --- AstrosFan--- 1931
8. Bill Lee --- Williamsburg2599--- 1975
9. Doug Jones ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 1988
10. Joe Torre --- The Splendid Splinter --- 1970
11. Joe Kelley ---Washizzle--- 1895
12. Steve Kline ---Dudecar00--- 2004
13. Mark Eichhorn ---Windy City Fan--- 1991
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper--

Round 16

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Steve Howe ---Windy City Fan--- 1991
3. Randy Myers ---Dudecar00--- 1988
4. Jeff Kent ---Washizzle-- 2002
5. Vic Willis ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1906 (from me)
6. Rollie Fingers ---CCC---
7. Mickey Welch ---Williamsburg2599--- 1888
8. Tom Gordon ---Astrosfan--- 2004
9. Jimmy Sheckard ---Sockeye--- 1911
10. Buck Ewing ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1893
11. Jesse Orosco ---ElHalo--- 1989
12. Octavio Dotel ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 2003
13. Tony Lazzeri ---TFAM--- 1932
14. Dave Laroche ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1976

Round 17

1. Don McMahon ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1974
2. Barry Larkin ---tearforamariner --- 1995
3. Luis Tiant ---Honus Wagner Rules---
4. Ken Boyer ---ElHalo--- 1960
5. Vern Stephens ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1949
6. Elmer Flick --- Sockeye--- 1901
7. Jesse Burkett --- AstrosFan--- 1895
8. Jeff Montgomery --- Williamsburg2599--- 1992
9. Ralph Kiner ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 1951
10. Sammy Sosa --- The Splendid Splinter --- 2000
11. Arlie Latham ---Washizzle--- 1887
12. Cesar Cedeno ---Dudecar00--- 1973
13. Elston Howard ---TFAM--- 1961 (from Windy City Fan)
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper--

Round 18

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Don Sutton ---Windy City Fan--- 1980
3. Reggie Jackson ---Dudecar00--- 1980
4. Jason Isringhausen ---Washizzle-- 2003
5. Jim Edmonds ---plask_stirlac--- 2003
6. Frank Howard ---CCC--- 1968
7. Ramon Martinez ---Williamsburg2599--- 1991
8. Lou Boudreau ---Astrosfan--- 1943
9. Benny Kauff ---Sockeye--- 1917
10. Harmon Killebrew ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1961
11. Wally Schang ---ElHalo--- 1925
12. Eric Davis ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1989
13. Nomar Garciaparra ---Dudecar00--- 1998 (from TFAM)
14. Bill Caudill ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1980

Round 19

1. Bill Campbell ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1976
2. Ichiro Suzuki ---tearforamariner --- 2006
3. Dave Parker ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1978
4. Hack Wilson ---ElHalo--- 1929
5. Hideo Nomo ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1995
6. Billy Herman --- Sockeye--- 1937
7. Bobby Grich --- AstrosFan--- 1974
8. Jose Oquendo --- Williamsburg2599--- 1988
9. Scott Rolen ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 2003
10. Paul Quantrill --- plask_stirlac --- 2003
11. Jose Mesa ---Washizzle--- 2001
12. Bob McClure ---Dudecar00--- 1989
13. Ernie Lombardi ---Windy City Fan--- 1935
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper--

Round 20

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Keith Hernandez ---Windy City Fan--- 1984
3. Firpo Mayberry ---TFAM--- 1931 (from Dudecar00)
4. John Rocker ---Washizzle-- 1998
5. Gene Tenace ---plask_stirlac--- 1973
6. Thurmond Munson ---CCC--- 19
7. Roberto Hernandez ---Williamsburg2599--- 1999
8. Dan Brouthers ---Astrosfan--- 1888
9. George Burns ---Sockeye--- 1919
10. Al Kaline ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1955
11. Alan Trammell ---ElHalo--- 1983
12. Bill Freehan ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1964
13. Derek Lowe ---TFAM--- 1999
14. Andruw Jones ---SamTheBravesFan--- 2002

Round 21

1. Dave Winfield ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1984
2. Arthur Rhodes ---tearforamariner --- 2001
3. Mike Jackson ---Honus Wagner Rules---
4. Pie Traynor ---ElHalo--- 1923
5. Jim Thome ---The Splendid Splinter--- 1996
6. King Kelly --- Sockeye--- 1884
7. Tommy Leach --- AstrosFan--- 1908
8. Roy Halladay --- Williamsburg2599--- 2006
9. Miguel Tejada ---Candy Curveball Cummings---
10. Frank Chance --- TFAM --- (from me) --- 1903
11. Brian Fuentes ---Washizzle--- 2003
12. Reggie Smith ---Dudecar00--- 1969
13. Billy "D?" Williams ---Windy City Fan--- 1965
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper--

Round 22

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Ozzie Smith ---Windy City Fan--- 1992
3. Rick Aguilera ---Dudecar00--- 1995
4. Gerry Staley ---Washizzle-- 1957
5. Al Holland ---TFAM--- 1980 (from me)
6. Gil Macdougald ---CCC--- 1951
7. Johnny Evers ---Williamsburg2599--- 1907
8. Jay Howell ---Astrosfan--- 1988
9. Pete Browning ---Sockeye--- 1890
10. Steve Hamilton ---Splinter--- 1965
11. Dave Righetti ---ElHalo--- 1984
12. JR Richard ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1978
13. David Ortiz ---TFAM--- 2004
14. Buddy Bell ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1980

Round 23

1. Toby Harrah ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1976
2. Pedro Guerrero ---Windy City Fan--- 1987 (from TFAM)
3. Bobby Bonds ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1971
4. Chief Bender ---ElHalo--- 1909
5. Tony Perez ---plask_stirlac--- 1973 (from Splinter)
6. Dave Bancroft --- Sockeye--- 1922
7. Wally Berger --- AstrosFan--- 1935
8. Roy Face --- Williamsburg2599--- 1960
9. Eddie Guardado ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 2005
10. Carlos Beltran ---plask_stirlac--- 2003
11. Ducky Holmes ---Washizzle--- 1901
12. Graig Nettles ---Dudecar00--- 1977
13. Willie Stargell ---Windy City Fan--- 1966
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper--

Round 24

1. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper ---
2. Lance Berkman ---Windy City Fan--- 2006
3. Davey Lopes ---Dudecar00--- 1979
4. Danny Darwin ---Washizzle-- 1989
5. Latroy Hawkins ---plask_stirlac--- 2002
6. Jeff Reardon ---CCC--- 1980
7. Dave Roberts ---Williamsburg2599--- 2005
8. Darrell Porter ---Astrosfan--- 1978
9. Eddie Murray ---Sockeye--- 1982
10. Mike Garcia ---plask_stirlac--- 1954 (from Splinter)
11. Bernie Williams ---ElHalo--- 2000
12. Joe Gordon ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 1948
13. Joe McGinnity ---TFAM--- 1901
14. Orlando Cepeda ---SamTheBravesFan--- 1963

Round 25

1. Javy Lopez ---SamtheBravesFan --- 1997
2. Joe Wood ---CCC--- 1910 (from TFAM)
3. Magglio Ordonez ---Honus Wagner Rules--- 2001
4. Jason Giambi ---ElHalo--- 2002
5. Doug Brocail ---plask_stirlac--- 1998 (from Splinter)
6. Al Rosen --- Sockeye--- 1952
7. Ken Singleton --- AstrosFan--- 1975
8. Kenny Lofton --- Williamsburg2599--- 1993
9. Bill Madlock ---Candy Curveball Cummings--- 1976
10. Dick Bartell --- plask_stirlac --- 1937
11. Damaso Marte ---Washizzle--- 2002
12. Bob Johnson ---Dudecar00--- 1938
13. Dutch Leonard ---Windy City Fan---
14. SKIPPED ---cashwrapper--

Waiver - Astrosfan drops Gaylord Perry 1966 for Brandon Webb 2003
TFAM drops Eddie G for Jeff Fassero 1993, Joe McG forGaylord Perry 1966, and Tony Lazzeri for Harvey Kuenn 1959
Williamsburg drops Ramon Martinez, Dave Roberts, and Bill Lee for Fernando Valenzuela 1982, Hugh Duffy 1898, and Jason Kendall 2000

Good luck and have fun. You can still pick after our window expires, you just won't have priority. You still get a pick.

[SamtheBravesFan]

After thinking about it a long time, weighing the options and considering the consequences of not picking someone else, I have decided to take, as my first pick:

Babe Ruth.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5807/256pxbaberuthku8.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4420/rutb006yq6.jpg

Wow, what a surprise, eh? All that, and I pick his 1927 season, his third best in WARP1. Woooooow, I'm a genius. :D :crazy.

I really gave it a lot of thought, weighed several other options, and I was about to pick one other player. I was writing it out and everything, then I thought, "I can't pass up Babe Ruth, no matter what!" So that's why I picked him. :)

Onward with the draft!

[The Dude]

It's now HWR's turn to clarify.

[tearforamariner]

Ty Cobb. Sorry for being late.

http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/cobb/images/26.jpg

What a looker, huh? :D

I'd like to use his 1911 season for the sim.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I select Rogers Hornsby, 2B. (Me, a former Morganite!)

I'll use his 1922 season, thank you very much.

[ElHalo]

I select Rogers Hornsby, 2B. (Me, a former Morganite!)

I'll use his 1922 season, thank you very much.

I saw you picking in front of me, and I was afraid of that. Of course you know he's the one I wanted.

I'll take this Flying Dutchman guy:

http://www.clpgh.org/exhibit/images/gif/flying.gif

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Honus-Wagner---Batting-sepia-Photofile-Photograph-C10098381.jpeg

Honus Wagner, 1908.

[plask_stirlac]

1908 was his best season by far. If you read the rules you know we aren't using those, just to put more weight on consistency. You have your pick of any season besides 1908 and 1905.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/wagneho01.php

[ElHalo]

1908 was his best season by far. If you read the rules you know we aren't using those, just to put more weight on consistency. You have your pick of any season besides 1908 and 1905.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/wagneho01.php

Very confused on that; I show 1900 as far and away his best season, followed by 1904. Are they not going on a per-game basis?

[Westlake]

Very confused on that; I show 1900 as far and away his best season, followed by 1904. Are they not going on a per-game basis?

I guess not. JORP doesnt agree with is on Wagner's 1900 being his best season.

[Wee Willie]

Very confused on that; I show 1900 as far and away his best season, followed by 1904. Are they not going on a per-game basis?
You have to pick no higher than his 3rd best season - based on WARP1. If you go to baseballprospectus, you'll see that '08 is by far his best season. You're probably better off picking '07 or '09 than you are '00, when the NL was more prolific offensively.

[plask_stirlac]

1900 and 1904 Wagner are available if you want them.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

ElHalo,

Here is the Wagner page at Baseball Prospectus:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/wagneho01.php

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I saw you picking in front of me, and I was afraid of that. Of course you know he's the one I wanted.

I'll take this Flying Dutchman guy:

http://www.clpgh.org/exhibit/images/gif/flying.gif

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Honus-Wagner---Batting-sepia-Photofile-Photograph-C10098381.jpeg

Honus Wagner, 1908.
I much as I love Wags the sim probably favors offense, so The Rajah was the obvious choice.

[ElHalo]

ElHalo,

Here is the Wagner page at Baseball Prospectus:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/wagneho01.php

1907, then; didn't realize we were taking GP into account. My apologies.

[The Splendid Splinter]

for the 5th pick... i pick Nap Lajoie, 1901 season.

i would put a pic up, but i'm on my rents computer and the reason i pick him is A. he's a 2B and B. his 16.1 WARP1 i believe is the second highest third season WARP1 behind Hornsby.

[Wee Willie]

for the 5th pick... i pick Nap Lajoie, 1901 season.

i would put a pic up, but i'm on my rents computer and the reason i pick him is A. he's a 2B and B. his 16.1 WARP1 i believe is the second highest third season WARP1 behind Hornsby.
Actually, Ruth's 3rd-best (1927) is a 16.4, followed by 1920 when he had a 16.3.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Actually, Ruth's 3rd-best (1927) is a 16.4, followed by 1920 when he had a 16.3.

oh ok... i wasnt sure if Ruth was better i knew i wasnt gonna be able to get him so i didnt look at him.

[ElHalo]

I much as I love Wags the sim probably favors offense, so The Rajah was the obvious choice.

And by the way, I think it's ridiculous that you get the 1922 Rajah. That, in my opinion, was easily his best year ever, though the stats apparently disagree. Unless I'm forgetting all those other times people hit .400 with 40 homers (and finished top 10 in SB's).

[Honus Wagner Rules]

And by the way, I think it's ridiculous that you get the 1922 Rajah. That, in my opinion, was easily his best year ever, though the stats apparently disagree. Unless I'm forgetting all those other times people hit .400 with 40 homers (and finished top 10 in SB's).Would it be as ridiculous if I would have passed on The Rajah and you picked him instead?

I was pleasantly surprised to see his 1922 season only his 4th best in terms of WARP1. :D

[plask_stirlac]

There's nothing wrong with this discussion in general BUT it could enrich the discussion thread rather than fill up this thread, it isn't supposed to be a Q&A really.

[Sockeye]

Question: If a player's 2nd and 3rd best WARP1 are the same what do we use as the tie breaker to determine which season can be used?

[Wee Willie]

Question: If a player's 2nd and 3rd best WARP1 are the same what do we use as the tie breaker to determine which season can be used?
You can use either season for the sim. I asked the same thing yesterday.

[tearforamariner]

clock is ticking on DTF955. He has 39 minutes to draft. Sockeye, you might want to be ready to draft.

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects.......Walter Johnson, 1914 season

[Erik Bedard]

DTF955 opted out before the draft started.

[TBT]

DTF955 opted out before the draft started.
Uh-oh. Now we have a problem. Like in real life, the NL is now "easier" than the AL.

[Westlake]

RuthMayBond quit in the AL.

[The Splendid Splinter]

this is good though better teams for us now...

[The Dude]

This draft is going extremelyyyyyyyy slow.

[TBT]

this is good though better teams for us now...
Meh. Still not liking my 11th pick.

[ChrisLDuncan]

If an NL team opens up may I be the GM?

[AstrosFan]

Give me Eddie Collins, 1915.

[plask_stirlac]

Discuss in the discussion thread your say on ChrisLDuncan joining, I'll take it under advisement and go with the word of the group.

Personally... hey it's for fun, I'm on board for letting him in, though I don't feel strongly so much.

[Williamsburg2599]

For the 8th pick in the All-time draft, Williamsburg2599 selects:
Ted Williams, OF, Boston Red Sox.
19086
From what I understand, his 1941 season is used...:)http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/willite01.php

[tearforamariner]

Mwiggins, your window has just closed.

[plask_stirlac]

I was going to give some leeway to mwiggins (probably wrong on Central time... oh well), but he hasn't posted since Feb 1st. IIII'm thinking he might miss round 2 as well. He can still pick, though.

But, I will make my pick. There's a player I know would be killer for the sim, well several of course, but in the end we're trying to get these guys in their prime and have some fun, seeing what could happen, and there's a popular vote as well. When I first heard of drafts like this, and getting into them, this is a player I've wanted but have yet to draft, especially since we're talking prime. In the last one his owner didn't even see it through, so that'll change this time. Fun fact, 2 GIDP the entire season.

The Mick
Mickey Mantle 1961

[TBT]

I'll pick Barry Bonds 2002.

[The Dude]

Joe Morgan. 1976
http://www.hickoksports.com/images/morgan_joe.jpg

[Windy City Fan]

Willie Mays 1957

I can't believe he lasted this long.

[cashwrapper]

I have to go with Albert Pujols.

I know there are going to be critics of that choice, so just know I'm factoring his future (which is more than likely going to be just as amazing as these past years).

[tearforamariner]

I have to go with Albert Pujols.

I know there are going to be critics of that choice, so just know I'm factoring his future (which is more than likely going to be just as amazing as these past years).


Okay, what's your next pick? Oh, and what year for Pujols?

[cashwrapper]

The year for Albert Pujols was 2006.
And my next pick is Hank Aaron, year 1971.

People seem to remember him by his record, but he had an amazing career to accompany it.

[plask_stirlac]

2006 and 2003 are not eligible for Pujols, but thanks for picking promptly.

[Windy City Fan]

I hate picking at the end because there are so many players I know won't make it back to me. I was really torn between two guys, but I'm going to pick Tris Speaker 1916.

[The Dude]

TBefore the rush on pitchers starts, I'll go with the greatest pitcher of all time, and what I'd consider one of the top 5 if not the best pitching season ever...

Grover Cleveland Alexander-1915

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/Alexander_Grover_1.jpg

As much as I'd love to select another position player, I fear by the time it gets back to me, Grover would be gone.

[cashwrapper]

If 2006 and 2003 are not eligible for Pujols, than I choose Stan Musial. The year is 1948.

[ElHalo]

If 2006 and 2003 are not eligible for Pujols, than I choose Stan Musial. The year is 1948.

Don't know that that should be allowed; other people have already chosen in the interim. You can change years, but changing players really shouldn't be encouraged...

[cashwrapper]

If choosing a different player isn't allowed, than what? I should choose a different year for the same player? If that's the case, I choose Albert Pujols year 2002.

I'd really prefer to keep Musial 1948 though.

[Minstrel]

If choosing a different player isn't allowed, than what? I should choose a different year for the same player? If that's the case, I choose Albert Pujols year 2002.

The rules are that you can't select one of a player's two best years (to guard against flukes).

We're judging their best seasons by WARP1 (which you can find at baseballprospectus.com if you're unfamiliar with it).

I agree with ElHalo that it's not quite fair to change players after others have picked. One of them may have wanted Pujols, for example. And it's not like this rule was a secret, it's among the posted rules in the Draft Details and Discussion Thread.

[Westlake]

Agreed. The rules were posted. Change years but not players.

[Erik Bedard]

Cashwrapper has two picks, remember. So he can have both Pujols and Musial.

[Westlake]

Cashwrapper has two picks, remember. So he can have both Pujols and Musial.
Nope, he picked Aaron.

[Erik Bedard]

Whoa, didn't see that.

[cashwrapper]

I apologize. I didn't know. To clarify things, my final choices are:
Round 1: Albert Pujols, 2002
Round 2: Stan Musial, 1955

I still don't understand the system... WARP1. I wasn't able to find it. But I'm sure Musial '55 is not one of his top two years. Again, sorry for the mix-up.

[Westlake]

Again, you can't do that. What if Dudecar or Windy City Fan wanted to pick Aaron? You cant go back and change your pick after someone else has already picked. It just doesn't make sense. If you hadn't picked two players, than that would have been ok, but as it stands, it isn't. Please read the rules about picking players located on the first page of the discussion thread. Thanks.

As it stands, your picks as Albert Pujols and Hank Aaron.

[plask_stirlac]

You picked Albert Pujols and Hank Aaron, in their prime, but we aren't going bombs away and letting people use the career year or the second best year; we want a sampling of a consistent prime. In order to save time on that, we use a stat that takes a player's offense, defense, pitching, and time played against that of his peers, down to one number that's freely available online. We can't use averages over 5 years or anything like that for the sim (although Whatifsports is working on "compressing" careers into one season for theme leagues). But you could argue for people supporting a very consistent player like Pujols in the vote.

And prime can be different for each guy, Eddie Mathews had a really early prime with three huge years before turning 24, Tris Speaker basically had his entire career as prime, etc. Older guys can use their skill and mental ability to stay prime, like Aaron.

[Wade8813]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=WARP-1 has a search you can use to find out player's Warp1. Look under Advanced Batting Statistics (for both batters and pitchers).

[cashwrapper]

Again, you can't do that. What if Dudecar or Windy City Fan wanted to pick Aaron? You cant go back and change your pick after someone else has already picked. It just doesn't make sense. If you hadn't picked two players, than that would have been ok, but as it stands, it isn't. Please read the rules about picking players located on the first page of the discussion thread. Thanks.

As it stands, your picks as Albert Pujols and Hank Aaron.

I'm find with this. I understand the rules now so let's just get my picks overwith so I don't hold up the whole draft.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Come on guys please lets get a move on. The AL is already into the 3rd round and we are still trying to finish up the 1st round? :ughh

[Westlake]

Come on guys please lets get a move on. The AL is already into the 3rd round and we are still trying to finish up the 1st round? :ughh

The AAAA is inferior once again. :)

[plask_stirlac]

Cashwrapper you said your second round pick was Aaron and he is eligible. That's how it will be.

[TBT]

With my second pick I'll select Lou Gehrig 1936.

[plask_stirlac]

My next pick is Pedro Martinez 1997.

Pedro Martinez

[The Splendid Splinter]

i dont think mwiggins is here anymore...

[Windy City Fan]

We do not wait for someone who has already missed on pick again. Mwiggins is free to pick if he ever decides to come back, but the next person is the one on the clock. I'm not sure how close he is to meeting the official drop rule, but we might want to start looking for a replacement.

[The Splendid Splinter]

We do not wait for someone who has already missed on pick again. Mwiggins is free to pick if he ever decides to come back, but the next person is the one on the clock. I'm not sure how close he is to meeting the official drop rule, but we might want to start looking for a replacement.


i believe it is 14 picks since when he first miss a pick... right now i think its at 10... honestly... i think he should be dropped and we might just stay at 13 teams since we already got a round in... like if we got a replacement, that person can come in and say 2 players right off the bat and thats not fair

[plask_stirlac]

i believe it is 14 picks since when he first miss a pick... right now i think its at 10... honestly... i think he should be dropped and we might just stay at 13 teams since we already got a round in... like if we got a replacement, that person can come in and say 2 players right off the bat and thats not fair

No, it isn't fair... for him. The first-round talent is for the most part gone. For us it might be annoying and not worth it, but only time two picks in a row wouldn't devastate anyone's chances.

[tearforamariner]

No, it isn't fair... for him. The first-round talent is for the most part gone.


Thank you PS. Instead of getting a 6th overall pick and a 20th overall pick, a new player would get at best the 19th and 20th overall picks. That certainly isn't fair.

[Windy City Fan]

Well, I wouldn't have a problem with a new guy getting two instant picks, since he's getting the 18th and 19th picks overall (assuming no one else picks before a replacement is found). He's the one at a disadvantage, not us, since mwiggins missed his first round pick. 13 is a bad number for scheduling and puts us at an advantage over the AL. Worse case senario, there should be a "ghost team" instituted that picks based off say Bill James' Wins Shares list. The highest player in a position the ghost needs on the Wins Share ranking is picked by the ghost. The season would be selected by the third best WARP1 season, making all picks automatic and neutrally selected.

[tearforamariner]

Well, I wouldn't have a problem with a new guy getting two instant picks, since he's getting the 18th and 19th picks overall (assuming no one else picks before a replacement is found). He's the one at a disadvantage, not us, since mwiggins missed his first round pick. 13 is a bad number for scheduling and puts us at an advantage over the AL. Worse case senario, there should be a "ghost team" instituted that picks based off say Bill James' Wins Shares list. The highest player in a position the ghost needs on the Wins Share ranking is picked by the ghost. The season would be selected by the third best WARP1 season, making all picks automatic and neutrally selected.


He'd have the 19th and the 20th, not the 18th and the 19th. My roommate (some of you know him as Candy Curveball Cummings) is standing next to me and is willing to take those picks.

[plask_stirlac]

I'm thinking CCC can make the picks and either take over permanently or if mwiggins returns they can hash it out.

A Bill Burgess list of his 500 greatest players would be handy for a ghost team, or Bill James. It would help that Burgess is a member.

[tearforamariner]

I'm thinking CCC can make the picks and either take over permanently or if mwiggins returns they can hash it out.

A Bill Burgess list of his 500 greatest players would be handy for a ghost team, or Bill James. It would help that Burgess is a member.


Anyone opposed with CCC making the picks and taking over if mwiggins doesn't show? As soon as PS makes the concrete decision (like how I put it all on you? :D :laugh), CCC will get online and make his picks. He has asked to freeze the process until a decision has been made. No one should be allowed to pick until it has been decided whether or not CCC is taking over.

[Wade8813]

You should probably let CCC take over (using his own account, of course, just to avoid any appearance of wrongdoing).

One problem if you do use a ghost team, is that anyone can look at the list and figure out who's going to be picked by that team, and use that to their advantage.

[tearforamariner]

You should probably let CCC take over (using his own account, of course, just to avoid any appearance of wrongdoing).

One problem if you do use a ghost team, is that anyone can look at the list and figure out who's going to be picked by that team, and use that to their advantage.



Of course. I wouldn't pick for Rick. He'd kill me if I did. I'd pick Mario Mendoza and Ben Davis.

[Windy City Fan]

CCC stepping in is fine with me. Though technically, mwiggins hasn't missed 14 picks, but he's been AWOL for about a week I think, so I'm fine with removing him.

If we do use a ghost team, I'd prefer we not use Burgess' list. Its a bit eccentric compared to the way most people view players (I still love ya Bill).

[The Splendid Splinter]

i say let CCC in and make his 2 picks... and williamsburg have to wait till CCC picks his 2...

[The Splendid Splinter]

CCC stepping in is fine with me. Though technically, mwiggins hasn't missed 14 picks, but he's been AWOL for about a week I think, so I'm fine with removing him.

If we do use a ghost team, I'd prefer we not use Burgess' list. Its a bit eccentric compared to the way most people view players (I still love ya Bill).


hey what do you mean? haha like bill lange and all those guys? i got them on my list too, but i guess im eccentric like Bill too.:crazy

[candy curveball cummings]

I select A Rod in 1996 and Joe D. in 1939.

[plask_stirlac]

I was just thinking a) if anyone had a list that could go 25 rounds it's Smoky, b) why should the Ghost team get a non-member in James who put years of research into what would be a fill-in team?

If CCC wants to stay, that's fine, keep the picks coming throughout. If (when) mwiggins is absent for the third round this weekend, that'll pretty much clinch it.

The team is getting ready to move, change names, and change GMs; it's like the Nats. The other owners run a tight ship.

[Wade8813]

b) why should the Ghost team get a non-member in James who put years of research into what would be a fill-in team? Even though he put a lot of research into it, James was researching who actually did the best, which often isn't the best person to pick. When picking, people often try to guess who others will pick, and try to fill holes in their team. A team using James' list can't do that.

Of course, it's a moot point since CCC is taking the team... :p

[Williamsburg2599]

Williamsburg2599 selects ROGER CLEMENS(1990):
19209

[Minstrel]

Wow, the NL is quite a turbulent league.

I almost expect some team to engineer a hostile take-over of another team, or something.

[AstrosFan]

Stan Musial 1944

[Wade8813]

Wow, the NL is quite a turbulent league.

I almost expect some team to engineer a hostile take-over of another team, or something. SHhhh! You're not supposed to tell people!

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects..........Ed Walsh - 1912

[The Splendid Splinter]

For the 2nd round... The Splendid Splinter select... Christy Mathewson... 1909

[ElHalo]

For the 2nd round... The Splendid Splinter select... Christy Mathewson... 1909

Ugh. Of course you had to take my guy.

I take...

http://images.snapfish.com/342%3B8:2723232%7Ffp54%3Dot%3E232:%3D6%3B%3C%3D878 %3DXROQDF%3E232377:927269ot1lsi

Lefty Grove, 1932. His WARP1 was slightly better in 1936, but I just like his overall numbers better in '32.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I choose the greatest hitting catcher of all time, Mike Piazza. I'll use his 1995 season.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I choose the greatest hitting catcher of all time, Mike Piazza. I'll use his 1995 season.


but have fun with his defense... haha:dance

[cashwrapper]

The higher a player's WARP1, the better, right?

Oh, and are we using the WARP1 adjusted to season or all-time?

[The Splendid Splinter]

The higher a player's WARP1, the better, right?

Oh, and are we using the WARP1 adjusted to season or all-time?


yeah the higher is supposed to be better... overall... offense, defense, and running. we are using WARP1 not WARP2 or WARP3...

[plask_stirlac]

We're using WARP1, adjusted to season. Higher WARP is better in general.

[tearforamariner]

With the 25th pick in the draft, the Tacoma Giants select from Sudlersville, Maryland, First Baseman Jimmie Foxx.


http://www.fenwayfanatics.com/images/redsox/legends/legends_foxx.jpg

I will be using his 1933 season for the sim.

[The Splendid Splinter]

With the 25th pick in the draft, the Tacoma Giants select from Sudlersville, Maryland, First Baseman Jimmie Foxx.


:grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy

[tearforamariner]

:grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy

A little upset are we? :D

[The Splendid Splinter]

A little upset are we? :D


JJUUUUSSSTTT a little... I just can't wait til like the 23rd round and I have to decide on either Mario Mendoza or Neifi Perez...:rolleyes:

[Minstrel]

JJUUUUSSSTTT a little... I just can't wait til like the 23rd round and I have to decide on either Mario Mendoza or Neifi Perez...:rolleyes:

Hey, no name-dropping.

ONE of those two was my 22nd round steal...

[The Splendid Splinter]

Hey, no name-dropping.

ONE of those two was my 22nd round steal...


:laugh :laugh :laugh Ow... that hurts. i better stop laughing now. i feel sorry for anyone if they feel the need to draft one of those guys...:noidea

[SamtheBravesFan]

I select

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6590/benchjohnny3ni5.jpg

Johnny Bench, 1975

and

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/13/ronsanto4393x511ye0.jpg

Ron Santo, 1966

[tearforamariner]

The Tacoma Giants select

http://espanol.geocities.com/saludybeisbol/img/sak.JPG

Sandy Koufax, 1965.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

but have fun with his defense... haha:dance
Defense is not that bad in his younger years. Plus his huge bat will more than make up for it.

[tearforamariner]

Defense is not that bad in his younger years. Plus his huge bat will more than make up for it.

Ready for your next pick?

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I pick Randy "The Big Unit" Johnson, SP. I'll use his 2001 season.

[tearforamariner]

I pick Randy "The Big Unit" Johnson, SP. I'll use his 2001 season.

wow, 2001 and not 2002?

[ElHalo]

I'm gonna go with:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHOTOFILE/AADB029~Bob-Feller-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Bob Feller, 1939.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

wow, 2001 and not 2002?
They're about the same.

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects.......Denton True Young - 1895

[The Splendid Splinter]

The Splendid Splinter select Arky Vaughan... 1934.

[TBT]

The Splendid Splinter select Arky Vaughan... 1934.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :(

[Wee Willie]

The Splendid Splinter select Arky Vaughan... 1934.
I think you're also up (for Kyle) in the AL thread as well, TSS.

[plask_stirlac]

Lightning crashes... it's the lightning round.

[Williamsburg2599]

Lightning crashes... it's the lightning round.
What happends if Astrosfan doesn't show?

[ElHalo]

And is anybody here for it?

[tearforamariner]

What happends if Astrosfan doesn't show?

Lightning round doesn't happen.

[Williamsburg2599]

Lightning round doesn't happen.
:ughh ......................

[Sockeye]

I'm here. Not that it matters much. My pick is 14 picks away. :ughh

[Williamsburg2599]

I'm here. Not that it matters much. My pick is 14 picks away. :ughh
Mine's 1 away and I have the pick of the century lined up.:D

[plask_stirlac]

What happends if Astrosfan doesn't show?

If he didn't send in a list, it crashes. :eek:

I didn't actually mean to say that, as if this was doomed, it was just the first lightning reference other than Grease I could think of.

Well, if we get 8/14 people we'll see.

[Sockeye]

Has anyone tried PMing him?

[tearforamariner]

Has anyone tried PMing him?

I did. No response.

[plask_stirlac]

I haven't seen CCC, is he ready, TFAM? It wouldn't be worth skipping and comping AstrosFan if CCC can't pick.

I'd be willing to switch picks with AstrosFan that penalizes me if we can get going today... this is so much different than my last draft, everybody's just flying off. I'm just in it to pick it, I have no idea about winning.

[tearforamariner]

I haven't seen CCC, is he ready, TFAM? It wouldn't be worth skipping and comping AstrosFan if CCC can't pick.

I'm picking for Rick today. We didn't see the need for both of us to waste our day. Since I'm a moderator and could be of more use, I told him I'd pick for him. I have his list, all 100 players, not that it's of any use right now.

[ElHalo]

Well this is fun.

[Williamsburg2599]

Well this is fun.
Astrosfan is on right now, hopefully he'll chime in any minute....

[tearforamariner]

I count 10 people here (including CCC). SamtheBravesFan, HWR, Dudecar00, and AstrosFan aren't here.

[plask_stirlac]

I'm picking for Rick today. We didn't see the need for both of us to waste our day. Since I'm a moderator and could be of more use, I told him I'd pick for him. I have his list, all 100 players, not that it's of any use right now.

Waste? Wow, this is really going well... hey, I'm up for the slow draft, especially if this is a bother, but I was up for trying (Minstrel's?) idea. I didn't know Sunday would be busy.

This draft has actually been going plenty fast for me, as long as each day has a pick, I'm good. Well, two since it's 14 people, maybe three.

[tearforamariner]

Waste? Wow, this is really going well... hey, I'm up for the slow draft, especially if this is a bother, but I was up for trying (Minstrel's?) idea. I didn't know Sunday would be busy.

Well, you know what I mean. I love this game, but we aren't doing anything right now. It's really bothering me.

[Minstrel]

Waste? Wow, this is really going well... hey, I'm up for the slow draft, especially if this is a bother, but I was up for trying (Minstrel's?) idea. I didn't know Sunday would be busy.

diglahh's idea, but people seemed interested, so I tried to facilitate it. However, very few people gave availabilities, so there was no good way to set up a mandatory time period. I figured a "try and check in more often" period would still speed things a little, but I guess not.

[plask_stirlac]

Well it's been 4.5 hrs out of 8...

[SamtheBravesFan]

I'm hanging around. But hey, I don't pick until... what 13-15 picks later?

[tearforamariner]

I'm hanging around. But hey, I don't pick until... what 13-15 picks later?

So that's 11/14.

[plask_stirlac]

He's on, he should say something... if he wants time to pick, that's fine, let us know. It's lightning because if you choose to you can pick fast and know when you're up. Aargh.

[tearforamariner]

He's on, he should say something... if he wants time to pick, that's fine, let us know. Aargh.

He's about to be clocked off the site. He hasn't done anything on the site in 13 minutes. You are clocked off at 15. You'll be seeing him signed out shortly.

[plask_stirlac]

Williamsburg, make your pick.

[Wade8813]

He's about to be clocked off the site. He hasn't done anything on the site in 13 minutes. You are clocked off at 15. You'll be seeing him signed out shortly. Unless he clicked the "Remember me" thing when signing in.

[Williamsburg2599]

I select John Clarkson,1885 with a WARP 1 of 16.4.
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/Clarkson_John_3.jpg
Clarkson and Clemens and pray to the heavens.;)

[tearforamariner]

Unless he clicked the "Remember me" thing when signing in.

No, he was inactive for 15 minutes. He might still be "signed on" but you'll notice at the bottom of the screen he's not online. After 15 minutes of inactivity, the site doesn't recognize you as being on.

[Wade8813]

O, IC. Interesting.

[tearforamariner]

I select John Clarkson,1885 with a WARP 1 of 16.4.
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/Clarkson_John_3.jpg
Clarkson and Clemens and pray to the heavens.;)

Rick selects Charlie Gehringer, 1937.

I was so tempted to skip that name on his list.

[plask_stirlac]

I pick Greg Maddux 1997.

http://greg.binc.li/images/maddux.jpg

[TBT]

I'll take Duke Snider 1954.

[Williamsburg2599]

It is now Dudecar00's pick.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I missed it and can't find it again. Where do you find the WARP1 for the pitchers?

[Williamsburg2599]

I missed it and can't find it again. Where do you find the WARP1 for the pitchers?
Under "advanced batting stats" (don't ask why).

[SamtheBravesFan]

Under "advanced batting stats" (don't ask why).

OOOHHHHHHH!! ... Yeah, I did see that *facepalms* But it looks like we're going for ERA+ on that, right?

[Williamsburg2599]

OOOHHHHHHH!! ... Yeah, I did see that *facepalms* But it looks like we're going for ERA+ on that, right?
To judge pitchers for the sim? were using WARP1, although I wish we were using era+ (something I understand better):
* Player's third-best full season (as judged by WARP1) will be used for simming purposes. I would use ERA+ / OPS+, since I'm sure most people know them better, but that would remove stolen bases from offensive contributions and innings pitched from pitching contribution, skewing actual value. Outside of the top two seasons, any season that counts as a "full season" (as defined in the eligibility rule above) can be selected.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Gotcha. :)

[Williamsburg2599]

Dudecar00 has either clocked out or left... Hmm....

[Windy City Fan]

I'm here and ready to pick!

[plask_stirlac]

Dudecar00 has either clocked out or left... Hmm....

For once I might freak out like AlecBoy.

[TBT]

For once I might freak out like AlecBoy.
I wonder what he was thinking when he chose those picks...

[Windy City Fan]

I wonder what he was thinking when he chose those picks...

Or if he was thinking. :D

[tearforamariner]

Okay everyone, we have to end this conversation about AlecBoy.

[Williamsburg2599]

Where's Dudecar00?

[tearforamariner]

Where's Dudecar00?

I PM'd him.

[ElHalo]

I think this concept is dead. For tonight at least.

[The Dude]

I don't know how Santo went first ... but ...

Mike Schmidt. 1979.
http://www.nndb.com/people/013/000024938/mikeschmidt02.jpg

[tearforamariner]

Windy City Fan selects Mordecai Brown. Didn't say which year, but I'm pretty sure it's 1906.

[cashwrapper]

1) Frank Robinson, 1961.
2) Pete Rose, 1976.

[Windy City Fan]

Wade Boggs 1986. And yes, 1906 for Brown.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Man, I go out to dinner and someone takes my place? Fair enough.

[Westlake]

Man, I go out to dinner and someone takes my place? Fair enough.
What are you talking about? No one took your place. You are up at the end of this round.

[SamtheBravesFan]

What are you talking about? No one took your place.

... *face palms* Right sorry

[Westlake]

Then what's this business with cash wrapper? Someone had to pick for me?

Round 4

1. ---cashwrapper ---
2. ---Windy City Fan---
3. ---Dudecar00---
4. ---TBT---
5. ---plask_stirlac---
6. ---CCC---
7. ---Williamsburg2599---
8. ---Astrosfan---
9. ---Sockeye---
10. ---The Splendid Splinter---
11. ---ElHalo---
12. ---Honus Wagner Rules---
13. ---TFAM---
14. ---SamTheBravesFan---


Its a snake draft, you dont always go first in every round.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Round 4

1. ---cashwrapper ---
2. ---Windy City Fan---
3. ---Dudecar00---
4. ---TBT---
5. ---plask_stirlac---
6. ---CCC---
7. ---Williamsburg2599---
8. ---Astrosfan---
9. ---Sockeye---
10. ---The Splendid Splinter---
11. ---ElHalo---
12. ---Honus Wagner Rules---
13. ---TFAM---
14. ---SamTheBravesFan---


Its a snake draft, you dont always go first in every round.

I know that. I got confused there for a second. :crazy

[Westlake]

I know that. I got confused there for a second. :crazy
It happens.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I don't know how Santo went first ... but ...

Mike Schmidt. 1979.
http://www.nndb.com/people/013/000024938/mikeschmidt02.jpg

Did you look at his 1966 season?

[The Dude]

This was easily my toughest pick in the draft. Do I go for a really good position player, or do I go for a superstart pitcher, because I don't get to pick again for another 20 or so picks.

So I went with "Terrific" Tom Seaver-1969

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/Seaver_Tom_3.jpg

[TBT]

^ Same here. In the end I decided to go with 1902 Rube Waddell. Suprising, eh?

[Williamsburg2599]

^ Same here. In the end I decided to go with 1902 Rube Waddell. Suprising, eh?
I had a similar problem also. It was either a very good position player or John Clarkson, who I considered a steal given he has the same WARP1 as Ruth's 1927 season. Just out of curiosity, was anyone else eyeing Clarkson?

[The Splendid Splinter]

I had a similar problem also. It was either a very good position player or John Clarkson, who I considered a steal given he has the same WARP1 as Ruth's 1927 season. Just out of curiosity, was anyone else eyeing Clarkson?


i was for this round...

[plask_stirlac]

I'll go with another quiet Brave, best infielder of the 50s. A season he was 22 years-old throughout.

Eddie Mathews
1954

[AstrosFan]

Cal Ripken Jr. 1983

[candy curveball cummings]

Dick Allen, 1966.

[tearforamariner]

Williamsburg selects MEL OTT, 1935.

[The Splendid Splinter]

whoa whoa whoa... wrong way guys... its sockeye turn then mine...

[tearforamariner]

whoa whoa whoa... wrong way guys... its sockeye turn then mine...

No it's not. your following AstrosFan's post,well AstrosFan's pick is for when he was skipped.

If you look above AF's name, you'll see Plask_stirlac's pick. The next pick is then CCC's, then Williamsburg, and then AF's again. Then it's sockeye.

I know, it's confusing, but it's how it worked out.

It is now AF's pick, for the record.

[The Splendid Splinter]

No it's not. your following AstrosFan's post,well AstrosFan's pick is for when he was skipped.

If you look above AF's name, you'll see Plask_stirlac's pick. The next pick is then CCC's, then Williamsburg, and then AF's again. Then it's sockeye.

I know, it's confusing, but it's how it worked out.

It is now AF's pick, for the record.


oh ok now i see it...

[tearforamariner]

TBT and Cashwrapper have to be removed from this draft as they can no longer participate. They have been banned from BBF. I can not disclose the details, so please let this drop here.

Thank You,

TFAM

[Wade8813]

TBT and Cashwrapper have to be removed from this draft as they can no longer participate. They have been banned from BBF. I can not disclose the details, so please let this drop here.

Thank You,

TFAM :eek:

Well, as much as curiosity is bugging the heck out of me, I guess I'll respect your wishes.

However, now you probably should establish at least one 'ghost team' (two would be better), that continues picking for them. Having two teams drop so early in the picking really gives the NL an unfair advantage.

[tearforamariner]

:eek:

Well, as much as curiosity is bugging the heck out of me, I guess I'll respect your wishes.

However, now you probably should establish at least one 'ghost team' (two would be better), that continues picking for them. Having two teams drop so early in the picking really gives the NL an unfair advantage.

I don't know about the 'ghost teams'. We have to decide quickly though.

[AstrosFan]

Carl Hubbell 1932

[Windy City Fan]

I don't know about the 'ghost teams'. We have to decide quickly though.

We should shoot for replacement players first, but if they cannot be found, ghost teams would be the next best thing. I proposed using James' Win Shares rankings for this. It's not perfect (especially for this type of exercise), but its widely recognized as being credible. That said, replacements should be the first option.

Also, I don't think we should stop the draft while we wait to find replacements. If we don't find a replacement once a team has been skipped twice (or just before the third skip), we institute a ghost team. That way we don't grind to a halt.

[plask_stirlac]

The World Series is in the rules, but also the dismissal of dropped teams. I think the World Series should just be a friendly like it was in the 19th century. Two ghost teams sounds ridiculous, especially since we're still even at 12. If people want to run ghost teams, we'll see, I won't and I don't care to manage special arrangements for those teams.

Or the NL manager could pick one position player picked after the 3rd or fourth round to sit out the series.

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects......Hal Newhouser - 1946

[Wade8813]

Well, if the WS is only a friendly game, then I guess it doesn't matter. But I am/was kind of looking forward to it being a little more than that.

And the ghost teams wouldn't even have to play during the season, so they wouldn't make things harder that way. They'd just make it so that the amount of available players is equal in both leagues.

I'd be willing to help pick for a Ghost team, if you guys decide to go that route. I wouldn't actually have a second team - I would just be a (somewhat) unbiased person who could help maintain parity between the leagues.

[plask_stirlac]

Well if the World Series is unbalanced, I'm still going to enjoy it, but I won't ve up in arms about the winner or any unfair advantage SINCE we've had a very unexpected banning of two participants. If you win your league, feel good.

[Wade8813]

Well if the World Series is unbalanced, I'm still going to enjoy it, but I won't ve up in arms about the winner or any unfair advantage SINCE we've had a very unexpected banning of two participants. If you win your league, feel good. I agree. But it will still be a little disappointing.

[The Splendid Splinter]

The Splendid Splinter select... Al Simmons, 1930.


oh yeah, go ahead and dance... it's your birthday. :dance im so happy that i got my guy. it's hard to beat a guy who SLG .700+.

[ElHalo]

Damn... Newhauser was my guy.

Ok, hold on.

[ElHalo]

Bob Gibson, 1970.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGN196~Bob-Gibson-Pitching-Action-Posters.jpg

[tearforamariner]

I have a midterm in about an hour. If HWR picks before my next selection, Evan (Westlake) will select for me.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I pick Ken Griffey Jr. 1996

[Westlake]

Tearforamariner selects 2B Jackie Robinson. I believe he wants 1950.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I select

Ernie Banks, 1955 (shortstop)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7858/erniebanks4hm8.jpg

and

Kid Nichols, 1898

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3269/nicholskid3wp5.jpg

[tearforamariner]

1950 for Jackie is correct. With my next pick, I select Craig Biggio, 1995.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I pick George Brett, 1979

[Washizzle Express]

I'm interested in taking over for one of the teams. Can i have TBT's team?

[Westlake]

It's possible if we can verify that you are not TBT.

[Wade8813]

I can vouch for him. He's my friend - I just IM'ed him, and suggested he come here. Also DisgruntaledMarinerFan knows him.

Also, he joined in November. TBT wasn't banned until this month, so it's less likely that TBT would have created a new account that much ahead of time.

And I'm fairly sure that mods have some way of knowing if they might be the same person, so a mod can verify all this.

[plask_stirlac]

NEIN!

We aren't going to 13, sorry. Find a friend maybe.

[tearforamariner]

Okay, so I have cleaned up this thread. Let's keep it on track. TBT, if you are reading this, do not create another account. I'll be watching and will ban you again and again. It's pointless.


Let's continue the draft.

[Wade8813]

What's so bad about 13? I don't see any problem with it.

[Minstrel]

NEIN!

We aren't going to 13, sorry. Find a friend maybe.

Query: What's wrong with 13, beyond superstition and the devil's birthday? Every team can still play every team 13 times, we get a near-normal baseball season, every team plays each other an odd number of times (head-to-head tie-breakers!) and the best 4 teams move on to the playoffs.

It's your call Mr. Stirlac, but I see nothing inherently wrong with a 13 team league. And, balance-wise, it's better than 12.

[ElHalo]

I'm here, you'll have my pick in a second.

[ElHalo]

Hank Greenberg, 1937.

http://www.sfjff.org/images/1999/1999HANK.jpg

[The Splendid Splinter]

Hey guys I'm here... Just letting you guys know I probably can't make my pick tonight cuz I'm at my parent's house and my list is back at my place. This freakin' blizzard is killing me here. We got 18 inches of snow with 30-40 mph winds so we got some killer drifts outside. My car is covered by one. I'm hoping to get back home sometime tomorrow and I'll make my pick.

another way is that I'm waiting for my friend to get back online tonight cuz he also has my list and would pick for me. When he gets back on online soon, I'll ask him who I have next on my list and I'll make the pick tonight. If not, I'll make the pick tomorrow... Sorry to hold up this draft longer than it should.

[Sockeye]

Hey guys I'm here... Just letting you guys know I probably can't make my pick tonight cuz I'm at my parent's house and my list is back at my place. This freakin' blizzard is killing me here. We got 18 inches of snow with 30-40 mph winds so we got some killer drifts outside. My car is covered by one. I'm hoping to get back home sometime tomorrow and I'll make my pick.

another way is that I'm waiting for my friend to get back online tonight cuz he also has my list and would pick for me. When he gets back on online soon, I'll ask him who I have next on my list and I'll make the pick tonight. If not, I'll make the pick tomorrow... Sorry to hold up this draft longer than it should.

I feel your pain. We are up around the 15 inch mark here. Our cable went out for a bit tonight (cable modem) and I wasn't sure how long it would be until I'd be back online. Fortunately they still have us on a level 2 so the cable company was able to get the lines back up. I'll check back in the morning and make my pick then.

[plask_stirlac]

Take a snow day from the draft if you have to.

[The Splendid Splinter]

In the 5th round... The Splendid Splinter select... Ivan Rodriguez, 1999. thank you...:dance

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects........Amos Rusie - 1892

[AstrosFan]

Dazzy Vance 1927

[Williamsburg2599]

Williamsburg2599 selects RABBIT MARANVILLE, SS, 1914.
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/wallpaper/maranville_rabbit.jpg

[candy curveball cummings]

The Centerfield Bleachers select Yogi Berra, 1950.

[Wee Willie]

The Centerfield Bleachers select Yogi Berra, 1950.1950 is ineligible because it was his 2nd best WARP1 year. 1956 would be the next best.

[candy curveball cummings]

1950 is ineligible because it was his 2nd best WARP1 year. 1956 would be the next best.

For some reason I thought '56 was his second best. Oh well. I'll go with '56.

[plask_stirlac]

Other than Greenberg it's been a long drought of first basemen. True, there's a lot of offense there, but I'm going with a guy who had a complete year, 162 games, 40-30, .585 SecA.

Jeff Bagwell
1999

The Astros always have nice action shots like this one for some reason.

[ronnie5]

Other than Greenberg it's been a long drought of first basemen. True, there's a lot of offense there, but I'm going with a guy who had a complete year, 162 games, 40-30, .585 SecA.

Jeff Bagwell
1999

The Astros always have nice action shots like this one for some reason.

GREAT PICK. You're awesome.

[The Splendid Splinter]

It's supposed to be TBT's pick but cashwrapper and TBT are both gone now... so does it goes to Dudecar now? and we just skip the 2 guys from now on?

[Wade8813]

It's supposed to be TBT's pick but cashwrapper and TBT are both gone now... so does it goes to Dudecar now? and we just skip the 2 guys from now on? My friend expressed interest in taking over a team. I believe Plask_Stirlac asked if there were any objections in the NL discussion thread.

[Minstrel]

It's supposed to be TBT's pick but cashwrapper and TBT are both gone now... so does it goes to Dudecar now? and we just skip the 2 guys from now on?

I would suggest ghost-picking for them, from the James win shares list, until new people can take them over. There's already one guy asking about a team, as I recall, in one of these threads.

[The Splendid Splinter]

My friend expressed interest in taking over a team. I believe Plask_Stirlac asked if there were any objections in the NL discussion thread.


since you know him... I have no problem letting Washizzle Express pick for TBT...

[Washizzle Express]

If I am allowed to pick for TBT's team, the pick will be Alfonso Soriano 2002.

[The Dude]

OUISDHFoaiudf. I was going to pick Bagwell.

Gimme a minute here.

[The Dude]

Well, since Bagwell's gone, I'll go with:

Carl Yastrzemski-LF-1970

http://thanks-mlb.com/yaz21.jpg

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I almost took Bagwell a well. But George Brett was too good to pass up.

[Windy City Fan]

Are we ghost picking for cashwrapper? Or do I get back-to-back picks? Plask_Stirlac seemed to be opposed to ghost teams, so I'll pick twice in the interest of speed. We can always retroactively plop a pick down for the ghost if we do that.

Mickey Cochrane 1931. And Juan Marichal 1969.

[Washizzle Express]

Craig Biggio 1995

[Westlake]

Craig Biggio 1995
He has been taken by tearforamariner.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Craig Biggio 1995


you cant get him because he was already drafted by TFAM with 2nd pick of the 5th round...

[Washizzle Express]

whoops. sorry didn't see that.

[plask_stirlac]

Washizzle you can't pick yet, it's Dudecar.

[The Dude]

I new I had to go with a power 1B, and it was tough picking between a certain lefty and a certain righty, and for me it's been easily the toughest pick so far.

Johnny Mize-1947

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/Mize_Johnny_1.jpg

[Washizzle Express]

Luke Appling - 1936

There's a change in the years I'm using for Lou Gehrig and Rube Waddell.

Gehrig is now 1930, and Waddell is 1908.

[plask_stirlac]

Johan Santana
2005

[Minstrel]

Johan Santana
2005

That looks familiar.

[candy curveball cummings]

Joe Jackson, 1913.

[The Splendid Splinter]

well guys... im gonna be gone from tonight til about sometime on sunday... there will be a guy picking for me who goes by wolverineman on here. I can vouch for him picking for me. he's one of my friends from high school. so don't freak out if he picks for me. and if my 8 hour window comes up for me, please give him a little more time to pick. I told him that he should check every once in a while and told him theres an 8 hour window to pick, but he doesnt know all the rules.

[Williamsburg2599]

HARRY STOVEY, 10.9, 1888, CF
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/stoveha01.php
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Harry_Stovey_Baseball_Card.jpg/180px-Harry_Stovey_Baseball_Card.jpg

[AstrosFan]

Roger Connor 1888

[Sockeye]

Sockeye selects..........Hughie Jennings - 1895

[Wolverineman]

Selecting for Splendid Splinter as he's not here, I take Todd Helton 2000. It's his 3rd best WARP1 season so as far as I understand it, it will work.

[tearforamariner]

Selecting for Splendid Splinter as he's not here, I take Todd Helton 2000. It's his 3rd best WARP1 season so as far as I understand it, it will work.

I assume Splendid Splinter know you are selecting for him?

[plask_stirlac]

Yeah, Splinter said so. Post #238.

[ElHalo]

Ah, it's me then. I go with Big Ed Delahanty; not sure on the year yet, but I'm leaning towards 1895. I reserve the right to move that around.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Ah, it's me then. I go with Big Ed Delahanty; not sure on the year yet, but I'm leaning towards 1895. I reserve the right to move that around.

AUGH. I knew it! :evil

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I pick George Sisler, 1922

[tearforamariner]

The Tacoma Giants are proud to have a big strong lefthander:

http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAEM033~Steve-Carlton-Pitching-close-up-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Steve Carlton, 1977.

[Wade8813]

Interesting picture of Carlton. I don't think I've ever seen a picture where the spin being put on the ball is so obvious.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Now that I've recovered from not picking Delahanty sooner, I select:

Dale Murphy, 1983

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9109/bpmurphydmo8.jpg

(Note the patch, this photo IS from 1983. ;) )

AND

Phil Niekro, 1969

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8669/niekrophil4jm2.jpg