This is really bothering me (arm role in pitching)

[nikae]

When pitching, should it feal easy on the arm, like the body is rotating and arm is just coming along?
Or should i turn hips,shoulders + swing my arm hard?

I hope u understand, since my english isn't the best.

On more thing. About arm slot. My arm slot is very low, i release ball at my head level, and if i put my arm more higher at high cocked position, then my elbow is a bit over my back shoulder.
What should i do, maybe lower my front shoulder so my back shoulder gets up a bit?

Thanks!

[Dev518]

I'm not quite the expert but your elbow should be at least at the level of your head when you release the ball if you're pitching overhand so you're a bit too low. Should it feel easy on your arm? Not super easy but you shouldn't feel any pain from pitching.

[aorta92]

When pitching, should it feal easy on the arm, like the body is rotating and arm is just coming along?
Or should i turn hips,shoulders + swing my arm hard?

I hope u understand, since my english isn't the best.

On more thing. About arm slot. My arm slot is very low, i release ball at my head level, and if i put my arm more higher at high cocked position, then my elbow is a bit over my back shoulder.
What should i do, maybe lower my front shoulder so my back shoulder gets up a bit?

Thanks!


I pitch from the side or underhand. it all depends on what feels the most comfortable. you shouldnt just be using your body, but that is what brings a lot of the speed. if you feel comfortable with the side-arm release then stick with it. if you try to experiment with all kinds of releases then you run the risk of throwing your arm out. ive done that a few times.

[TG Coach]

When pitching, should it feal easy on the arm, like the body is rotating and arm is just coming along?
Or should i turn hips,shoulders + swing my arm hard?

Pitch with your body, not just your arm. Otherwise you will hurt your arm. Your lead and throwing elbow should be as high as your shoulders until you drive your front arm into a tuck.

[Baseball gLove]

I'm not quite the expert but your elbow should be at least at the level of your head when you release the ball if you're pitching overhand so you're a bit too low. Should it feel easy on your arm? Not super easy but you shouldn't feel any pain from pitching.

This is not good. Please look at clips of MLB pitchers. Even pitchers who appear to get their elbow above their heads are actually tilting. There is one pitcher that starts with his elbow above his shoulders. His name is Josh Outman. His MLB team might have changed his motion.

[nikae]

Ok, my problem isn't that I am using the arm, it's that it looks like I am NOT using arm at all!

It gets pulled by the shoulders so badly that it dosent get a chance to do anything. So am I doing it right? (and yes, I do get my hand down and back)
I do have good velocity.

If you want I can record myself so you see how it looks like.
I got some videos uploaded, but I have changed my arm action since then.

[EdmondsFan#1]

Ok, my problem isn't that I am using the arm, it's that it looks like I am NOT using arm at all!

It gets pulled by the shoulders so badly that it dosent get a chance to do anything. So am I doing it right? (and yes, I do get my hand down and back)
I do have good velocity.

If you want I can record myself so you see how it looks like.
I got some videos uploaded, but I have changed my arm action since then.

I don't think I understand... Yes, videos would be helpful.

[aorta92]

Ok, my problem isn't that I am using the arm, it's that it looks like I am NOT using arm at all!

It gets pulled by the shoulders so badly that it dosent get a chance to do anything. So am I doing it right? (and yes, I do get my hand down and back)
I do have good velocity.

If you want I can record myself so you see how it looks like.
I got some videos uploaded, but I have changed my arm action since then.

are you saying that your body "pulls" your arm from behind you?

[nikae]

aorta92, yes it does, it pulls it from high cocked position.

Sorry for poor English, I'm from Europe

[aorta92]

i have done that a few times(which is why i moved to submarine). but if that continues to happen then you could hurt your shoulder severly. i was throwing a fastball and my arm came back on me and pulled the tendons and ligaments in my shoulder. what you should do is when you are pitching stabilize your arm so that it isnt just getting pulled from behind, kinda make it so that the arm is part of the body when you release.

[nikae]

i have done that a few times(which is why i moved to submarine). but if that continues to happen then you could hurt your shoulder severly. i was throwing a fastball and my arm came back on me and pulled the tendons and ligaments in my shoulder. what you should do is when you are pitching stabilize your arm so that it isnt just getting pulled from behind, kinda make it so that the arm is part of the body when you release.

I'll did try that, I lose some velocity I think.

Anyways, Thanks!

EDIT: I'll upload videos, probably tomorow

[wogdoggy]

Pitch with your body, not just your arm. Otherwise you will hurt your arm. Your lead and throwing elbow should be as high as your shoulders until you drive your front arm into a tuck.




VERY GOOD ADVICE,,try to use your body as much as you can..word has it TG himself is mid 50;s tossin high 80;s..his dad at 70 won a contest for speed for his age or something right?

ITs advice passed down from generation to generation you learn from watchin DAD do it,,

[Baseball gLove]

aorta92, yes it does, it pulls it from high cocked position.

Sorry for poor English, I'm from Europe

Hi Nikae, from where in Europe? EDIT. Please define Bothering you. Is there any pain or discomfort?

[nikae]

Hi Nikae, from where in Europe? EDIT. Please define Bothering you. Is there any pain or discomfort?

I am from Serbia. I hade pain in elbow, the part where my biceps ends to down to where my forearm begins. But that was before I changed my mechanics. Cant tell you much now, so I will pitch tomorow, record myself and tell you if I got any pain etc.
I really need help since there are no pitching coaches around here, so I am learning purely from internet!
Hows your baseball pitching experience?

[Baseball gLove]

Please describe the pain. Is there any numbness in your fingers or tingling in your elbow? I would prefer that you show a tape of you pitching. Also point to where the pain is. Don't try to throw too hard. Learn to throw correctly first.

[nikae]

Please describe the pain. Is there any numbness in your fingers or tingling in your elbow? I would prefer that you show a tape of you pitching. Also point to where the pain is. Don't try to throw too hard. Learn to throw correctly first.

I think my pain was because I dont warm up before i pitch (dont have anyone to play catch with), but when i long toss, well basicly its probably the pain that evryone has when they use the arm too much...

In this video, I use my body to throw. Sorry I wasnt pitching from my "home made" mound, because my father (he was recording me) was in a hurry.

1st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS7yyuk3hIA
2nd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40b21x02gnY
3rd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXffAsNcYpg

If you cant see much (because its dark, and I am wearing dark clothes) I will record myself again soon.
Just say if you see something interesting.

Evryone else is more then welcome to put up a comment :)

Note: when land my fingers are almost poiting the "home plate", they are just a LITLE bit closed towards 3rd base.

EDIT: If you want, go to www.keepvid.com and copy & paste url there to download video, open it in some program and go frame by frame.

[Dev518]

This is not good. Please look at clips of MLB pitchers. Even pitchers who appear to get their elbow above their heads are actually tilting. There is one pitcher that starts with his elbow above his shoulders. His name is Josh Outman. His MLB team might have changed his motion.
I meant neck. I've never seen a major leaguer pitch with his elbow lower than that overhanded.

[Baseball gLove]

Warm up to throw, Don't throw to warm up. (quote from Alan Jaeger)
Take a nice easy jog to get your blood flowing, move your arms, etc. Then perform the following excercises; do slightly bend your elbows. forward arm circles Palms up, (1) 20 small circles (2) 20 medium circles (3) 20 Large Arm circles. Repeat with reverse arm circles palm up. In the future when it gets easy to do the circles hold a ball in each hand. I know a pitcher that does it with three in each hand.

Now you can throw. Start easy catch, throw a little harder and a little longer distance every couple of throws. Do crow hop throws with the longer throws. This means you make one skip like a javelin thrower, then throw. When you get to maximum distance come back in 3 steps each throw.

Now you can pitch.

[TG Coach]

VERY GOOD ADVICE,,try to use your body as much as you can..word has it TG himself is mid 50;s tossin high 80;s..his dad at 70 won a contest for speed for his age or something right?

ITs advice passed down from generation to generation you learn from watchin DAD do it,,

You have the story wrong. My father-in-law and I were at Cooperstown. There was a booth with a radar gun out by the field. At 60, he threw over 70mph. He broke the record for age 60-69. He tried to convince me to throw to beat the father-son record which was about 150. He knew I could still throw over 80mph. I was still in my 30's. I refused to throw. I remembered what it was like cutting loose too early when I played, much less what it would be like to just let loose a hard throw.

No guts. No glory. But my arm didn't hurt like his the next day.

[nikae]

Warm up to throw, Don't throw to warm up. (quote from Alan Jaeger)
Take a nice easy jog to get your blood flowing, move your arms, etc. Then perform the following excercises; do slightly bend your elbows. forward arm circles Palms up, (1) 20 small circles (2) 20 medium circles (3) 20 Large Arm circles. Repeat with reverse arm circles palm up. In the future when it gets easy to do the circles hold a ball in each hand. I know a pitcher that does it with three in each hand.

Now you can throw. Start easy catch, throw a little harder and a little longer distance every couple of throws. Do crow hop throws with the longer throws. This means you make one skip like a javelin thrower, then throw. When you get to maximum distance come back in 3 steps each throw.

Now you can pitch.

Thanks for the tips.

Hm, why noone comments the videos that i have put up?

[Baseball gLove]

I meant neck. I've never seen a major leaguer pitch with his elbow lower than that overhanded.

Can you show us a clip? Make sure you account for the tilt of the shoulders.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/mytwosons2/clemens_roger19.jpg

[Baseball gLove]

Thanks for the tips.

Hm, why noone comments the videos that i have put up?

Can you get more light? I would like to see side view and front view.

[nikae]

I didnt have anyone to hold the camera, so this is all I got..its a good engle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7zsyWJSd0

There :) ..... BTW, sometimes I try not to get my pitching hand so far behind the back. I am still experimenting

[Baseball gLove]

I didnt have anyone to hold the camera, so this is all I got..its a good engle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7zsyWJSd0

There :) ..... BTW, sometimes I try not to get my pitching hand so far behind the back. I am still experimenting

Kick & Stride: Point your toe down at kick and bring your knee toward the middle line of your body. This is so you load your hips. You are doing well in keeping your knee pointed at third base until you land. My guess is you play soccer futbol and have good leg strength. Try taking a longer stride.

Arm: Reach throwing hand more for your target and then to your left ankle.

Do the warm-up exercises that I recommend before you throw; it will allow you to eventually throw harder and protect your arm.

[nikae]

Kick & Stride: Point your toe down at kick and bring your knee toward the middle line of your body. This is so you load your hips. You are doing well in keeping your knee pointed at third base until you land. My guess is you play soccer futbol and have good leg strength. Try taking a longer stride.

Arm: Reach throwing hand more for your target and then to your left ankle.

Do the warm-up exercises that I recommend before you throw; it will allow you to eventually throw harder and protect your arm.

I wondered why do they (prof. pitchers) point their town down sometimes.
Yes, I played soccer my wholle life, and I still play it at least 2-3 times a week. How did you gues it?

Now the ar, action. Thats really bothering me. What do you mean by "Reach throwing hand more for your target", can you give me example of someone?

I hope I will be ready to pitch, season starts in about 25-30 days.

[wogdoggy]

just picking your leg straight up and down isnt gong to produce much lower body torque in my opinion..elite pitchers will show you their numbers befrore they pitch you the ball.look at the clip of maddux or gibson that I sent you..they go backwards to go forward they produce power in their lower half by rotation..if you stop both clips and the same time you may also notice their front foot toe leg almost points to second base..the controlled fall while unloading the bottom should set your stride automatically in my opinion,,

[Baseball gLove]

I wondered why do they (prof. pitchers) point their town down sometimes.
Yes, I played soccer my wholle life, and I still play it at least 2-3 times a week. How did you gues it?

Now the ar, action. Thats really bothering me. What do you mean by "Reach throwing hand more for your target", can you give me example of someone?

I hope I will be ready to pitch, season starts in about 25-30 days.

You are from Serbia. If you don't play soccer, you play basketball. My father is Magyar.

About your arm, You seem to be short arming your throw. So, when you are throwing, reach or whip your fingers to your target and follow through / finish with your arm reaching for your glove-side leg (Between your knee and ankle). For example when my son was younger, I would ask him to reach for an imaginary set of sunglasses on the catcher's mask.

[Baseball gLove]

just picking your leg straight up and down isnt gong to produce much lower body torque in my opinion..elite pitchers will show you their numbers befrore they pitch you the ball.look at the clip of maddux or gibson that I sent you..they go backwards to go forward they produce power in their lower half by rotation..if you stop both clips and the same time you may also notice their front foot toe leg almost points to second base..the controlled fall while unloading the bottom should set your stride automatically in my opinion,,

W-Dog, that is why I asked him to pull his knee to his center. This will counter-rotate / load the hips. I'll ask the young ones to show their glove-side back pocket to the catcher.

[wogdoggy]

W-Dog, that is why I asked him to pull his knee to his center. This will counter-rotate / load the hips. I'll ask the young ones to show their glove-side back pocket to the catcher.



you can tell he doesnt use the middle at all..look at his finish..he should show you his numbers on the finish as well..hes straight up

[Baseball gLove]

you can tell he doesnt use the middle at all..look at his finish..he should show you his numbers on the finish as well..hes straight up


That's why I want a longer stride and for him to reach for his ankles :D

Whoops, I meant ankle.

[wogdoggy]

dont mention stride..tell him to GRAB SOME DIRT..OR show his numbers on finish

[nikae]

I think I understand what are you guys talking about. I'll try to fix those things.

I will use my lower body more.

In other words, I need to direct more power towards catcher?

I'll upload new videos if I see any improvement.

See you soon.

[Baseball gLove]

Nikae. Don't turn your shoulders to throw until your front foot lands. This is so your hips face home/ target and your chest faces third. When your foot lands rapidly turn your shoulders to throw.