thoughts on my pitching [Archive]

Jake Patterson

01-29-2007, 05:19 PM

i get what he says and i don't even know i'm doing it...but i've noticed when i throw my elbow is below my shoulder.

Chewy,
I will defer to Chris and others, but here's what I see. Your lateral movement seems to be excessive. Watch your head in relation to the trees in the next door neighbor's yard. Also your finish seems rushed and does not include you tucking your glove.

Chewybar

01-30-2007, 02:02 PM

anyone else

Chris O'Leary

01-30-2007, 02:21 PM

its been a while since i've put anything up but i have 2 new videos. and would like to know what you guys think.

I think you look solid.

The only thing I don't like, but it's not a huge deal, is how your PAS hand drifts behind your body back toward 1B. I would prefer that you took it more back toward 2B, because that would reduce the strain on the front of your PAS shoulder.

Also, what are your specifics?

- Age
- Weight
- Height
- Peak Speed
- Cruising Speed

Chewybar

01-30-2007, 02:35 PM

I think you look solid.

The only thing I don't like, but it's not a huge deal, is how your PAS hand drifts behind your body back toward 1B. I would prefer that you took it more back toward 2B, because that would reduce the strain on the front of your PAS shoulder.

Also, what are your specifics?

- Age
- Weight
- Height
- Peak Speed
- Cruising Speed

Age-21 in 6 days
weight- 240
height- 6'5"
peak speed- well i have never been clocked but i got one of those speed radar balls..unno it said 87 but i'm not sure so i'd say mid to high 80's

cubsphill

01-30-2007, 04:27 PM

where do you play?

Chewybar

01-30-2007, 04:34 PM

i don't right now...i'm trying to find an adult team in orange county...but i am going to try out for Cal state long beach this summer(if i get in)

Chewybar

01-31-2007, 09:20 PM

any other thoughts?

YankeeFan01

01-31-2007, 10:21 PM

Seems pretty good to me.

stever

02-01-2007, 05:48 AM

Can your clips be downloaded from that web site?

Chris O'Leary

02-01-2007, 07:12 AM

i don't right now...i'm trying to find an adult team in orange county...but i am going to try out for Cal state long beach this summer(if i get in)

You should stick with this.

You've got potential.

wogdoggy

02-01-2007, 09:01 AM

Chewy,
I will defer to Chris and others, but here's what I see. Your lateral movement seems to be excessive. Watch your head in relation to the trees in the next door neighbor's yard. Also your finish seems rushed and does not include you tucking your glove.

I'm with jake on this one.its hard to tell unless we can slow up the tape,,,,but RIGHT from the START your step goes off to the side..this immediately moves your head off the target line..just a bad windup in my opinion.step backward slightly keeping your head still and in line with the target.

Chewybar

02-01-2007, 01:45 PM

I'm with jake on this one.its hard to tell unless we can slow up the tape,,,,but RIGHT from the START your step goes off to the side..this immediately moves your head off the target line..just a bad windup in my opinion.step backward slightly keeping your head still and in line with the target.

well here's some slow mo vids

side- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KVghwc3ZHw

back- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbRM1FAn3mo

Baseball gLove

02-01-2007, 02:47 PM

It looks pretty good to me. There is nothing wrong with your foot landing. If you can hit your target low-outside and high-inside you are fine. Where do you live? Jaeger is going to be in Encino CA this Friday. I think he could squeeze some more velocity out of you.

Chewybar

02-01-2007, 03:05 PM

i live in costa mesa...close to newport beach in SOCAL!

Drill

02-06-2007, 08:57 AM

Hold your balance point just a little longer.

Chris O'Leary

02-06-2007, 09:11 AM

Hold your balance point just a little longer.

This is questionable advice.

It isn't what the best pitchers in the world do.

Drill

02-06-2007, 09:27 AM

This is questionable advice.

It isn't what the best pitchers in the world do.

lol a forum troll

either that or someone selling something

Chris O'Leary

02-06-2007, 10:56 AM

lol a forum troll. either that or someone selling something

What I'm selling is the truth.

Most high level pitchers do not come to the balance point. Instead, they get their bodies moving sideways toward the target as they are coming to the apex of their leg lift.

Chewybar

02-06-2007, 02:47 PM

What I'm selling is the truth.

Most high level pitchers do not come to the balance point. Instead, they get their bodies moving sideways toward the target as they are coming to the apex of their leg lift.

yea this kinda makes more sense...why would you want to stop your body moving toward the plate.

-Kyle-

02-06-2007, 02:54 PM

I know its very off topic but watching that scenery I envy you...looks great down there, Baseball all year round and I'm stuck in 20 d egree weather. :(

Chewybar

02-06-2007, 03:21 PM

I know its very off topic but watching that scenery I envy you...looks great down there, Baseball all year round and I'm stuck in 20 d egree weather. :(
yea...i'm not going to lie...its awsome

Drill

02-06-2007, 04:44 PM

What I'm selling is

-The Pitching Mechanic Blog
- Professional Pitcher Analyses
- Professional Hitter Analyses

Most high level pitchers do not come to the balance point. Instead, they get their bodies moving sideways toward the target as they are coming to the apex of their leg lift.

its a shame how you take advantage of this forum

Market market market

I see easy fixes. But the best thing this young play can do is get some local advice.

Jake Patterson

02-06-2007, 06:40 PM

its a shame how you take advantage of this forum

Market market market
I see easy fixes. But the best thing this young play can do is get some local advice.

Many of us would disagree with that advise. Because someone is local it does not mean they are knowledgeable nor does it say anything about their ability to teach, regardless whether or not they played professionally.

Drill

02-06-2007, 08:08 PM

Many of us would disagree with that advise. Making someone local does not mean they are knowledgeable nor does it say anything about their ability to teach, regardless whether or not they played professionally.

Well in my area we have three college. While not in season NCAA will let the pitching and batting coaches teach. We also have a summer league wooden bat baseball which draws coaches and pro scouts into the area.(this league invites college coaches and top college prospects into the area which is another good training base.)

There also are a few retired pro players around, also some current AAA players. Which train and gives pointers at our free indoor open to the public training facility. These players, God bless them, also gives lessons and tips on how to make it easy.

But from your quote you say that

"someone local does not mean they are knowledgeable nor does it say anything about their ability to teach, regardless whether or not they played professionally"

So who do you trust to teach? I guess its show me the money guy, isn't that right Jake.

Sorry if I stepped on the forum Gods toes, but do a thread search and you will see what I am talking about. Its kind of obvious

love,

drill

Chewybar

02-06-2007, 11:55 PM

Well in my area we have three college. While not in season NCAA will let the pitching and batting coaches teach. We also have a summer league wooden bat baseball which draws coaches and pro scouts into the area.(this league invites college coaches and top college prospects into the area which is another good training base.)

There also are a few retired pro players around, also some current AAA players. Which train and gives pointers at our free indoor open to the public training facility. These players, God bless them, also gives lessons and tips on how to make it easy.

But from your quote you say that

"someone local does not mean they are knowledgeable nor does it say anything about their ability to teach, regardless whether or not they played professionally"

So who do you trust to teach? I guess its show me the money guy, isn't that right Jake.

Sorry if I stepped on the forum Gods toes, but do a thread search and you will see what I am talking about. Its kind of obvious

love,

drill
dude calm down...i appreciate your comments and anyone else who comments on my pitching. trying to help me become a better picther is cool. but don't rag on someone for there views(no matter how much they post about it). I will take all advice and decid weather or not it is good for me. both jake and chris seem to know what there talking about(not saying you don't) but i will see what works for me.

love,

chewy

p.s. happy 21st bday TO ME haha

Drill

02-07-2007, 07:27 AM

Sorry if I stepped on the forum Gods toes, but do a thread search and you will see what I am talking about. Its kind of obvious

drill

Like I said in the above Chewybar

Drill

Jake Patterson

02-07-2007, 07:44 AM

So who do you trust to teach? I guess its show me the money guy, isn't that right Jake.
When it comes to teaching youngsters it is. Why would we want to go to an unproven youth teacher just because of what he accomplished as a player?

Having run the largest all-volunteer coaches' clinic in New England for nearly a decade I have learned much when it comes to teaching and clinician quality. There is a quote I use often, "The measure of a good coach is not how well he knows the game , it's how well he can teach it."

I have had ex-professional players at our clinics as clinicians that could no more teach the game the game of baseball than they could land on the moon. I have also had high school coaches and middle school coaches who were the best I have ever seen. the key in selecting (or recommending) is to insure the person you are recommending is proficient at the level that is looking for help. The other recommendation I would make, something I have found for myself is assume you know very little about the game. Everyday I step on the field or open my computer I ask myself, "What can I learn today?"

After 25 years of coaching I am finding I still have lots to learn.

Sorry if I stepped on the forum Gods toes, but do a thread search and you will see what I am talking about. Its kind of obvious

I have been part of this board for some time and it's mod for a year. I am uncertain what you speak of. I look at all who participate here and those that don't (Englishbey, Ebstein, Dixon, Marshall, etc..) as valuable resources. We can only pretend to teach if we are willing to learn.

No Gods here - don't worry about the toes.

Jake Patterson

02-07-2007, 07:46 AM

p.s. happy 21st bday TO ME haha

Happy Birthday Chewy....

You 21 year olds still playing the game are the envy of all us old farts.
Jake

Baseball gLove

02-07-2007, 12:21 PM

Like I said in the above Chewybar

Drill

I don't want to be contentious, but I think he was referring to you. I disagree with Chris here and there, but find that he usually practices good netiquette.

Drill

02-07-2007, 10:23 PM

I don't want to be contentious, but I think he was referring to you. I disagree with Chris here and there, but find that he usually practices good netiquette.

This resume posting is getting a little silly, but to caught you up; Jake came in to chime in when I suggested getting some "one on one" training. I trust the original poster is smart enough to find a good trainer/coach in his area. (oh Happy 21st Birthday)

It seems to me that a few of the posters here are not contradicted very much, from just reading a few of there past posts.

the word of the day is: netiquette >>> thanks -- Baseball Love

If anyone read something the wrong way in any of my posts that could of gotten anybody emotionally stirred up, that was not my intent.

Chewybar I will stand by what I said. Ask around for a good pitching coach to get some instant feed back, only when you are ready. Its obvious that you will only get a few view's here. Oh and don't forget to ask about why it is important to have a good balance point in your pitch.

respectfully yours,
God Bless

drill

Chris O'Leary

02-08-2007, 06:53 AM

Oh and don't forget to ask about why it is important to have a good balance point in your pitch.

Unlike some people (e.g. Paul Nyman), I am a big believer in balance; I think it's critical to control.

However, if you look at what the pros do, few if any come to the balance point. Instead, they get their hips moving toward the target during their leg lift (but stay balanced during this process).

Why would you tell someone to do something that the best pitchers in the world don't do?

wogdoggy

02-08-2007, 07:18 AM

However, if you look at what the pros do, few if any come to the balance point. Instead, they get their hips moving toward the target during their leg lift (but stay balanced during this process).

very true CHRIS!

Jake Patterson

02-08-2007, 08:10 AM

This resume posting is getting a little silly, but to caught you up; Jake came in to chime in when I suggested getting some "one on one" training. I trust the original poster is smart enough to find a good trainer/coach in his area. (oh Happy 21st Birthday)

Drill,
We're all big boys here. The problem is while there are a few who contribute there are many who are reading. I would hope everyone here is smart enough to check the success and background of any potential instructor. The problem we have all seen, and I am certain you have heard stories of the same, is the parent or young player who is star struck by a former pro or college player who should not be teaching.

My only advise, based on experience, is those who have played do not necessarily know how to teach.

palo20

02-08-2007, 06:40 PM

Unlike some people (e.g. Paul Nyman), I am a big believer in balance; I think it's critical to control.

However, if you look at what the pros do, few if any come to the balance point. Instead, they get their hips moving toward the target during their leg lift (but stay balanced during this process).

Why would you tell someone to do something that the best pitchers in the world don't do?

When does Paul Nyman ever say that he doesn't believe in balance? I'm pretty sure every pitching coach out there believes in balance.

The difference is that there has been a shift from the BALANCE POINT thinking. It is very true that MOST of the best pitchers in the world never come to a balance point.

Drill

02-08-2007, 07:15 PM

Chewybar I will stand by what I said. Ask around for a good pitching coach to get some instant feed back, only when you are ready. Its obvious that you will only get a few view's here. Oh and don't forget to ask about why it is important to have a good balance point in your pitch.

respectfully yours,
God Bless

drill

Chewybar see what i mean between this post and my last post, you will only get a few view's here. I will not try to explain what i saw in your clip here. Just remember balance. You know what happens when you fall off a pitch, it changes your release point/timing. it happens to all pitchers young and pro. Pros not as much because they already have there delivery put together

Please get more than the self proclaimed critiques here who will put there video clips before basics. You will gain consistency and fix a power leak. But alas who am I to talk since i did not post my resume or have a library of clips to show you.

Every pro player today had to start from the beginning and improve there skills before they could become pro.

Just remember the pro players will not stop learning. If they did, there would be a lot of ML pitching coaches without jobs.

Chewybar get a good pitching coach you feel good about. You got skills find your check points and work on them. You will know the drill's from there.

Good luck,

drill

Baseball gLove

02-08-2007, 10:07 PM

Do you worry about balance when trying to throw out a runner at home plate from the outfield? NO. Is this when you have maximum power in your throws? Yes. Do you pause and worry about balance when making these throws? NO! Worry more about consistency with your foot plant, than about balance at leg kick. A consistent foot plant will allow you to hit your spots better than balance at leg kick. Balance at leg kick could actually rob you of power. I recommend you check out Jaeger Long Toss who is up the 405 from you.

The following "Locals" highly recommend Jaeger too.

George Horton, Cal State Fullerton, Head Baseball Coach
Dave Serrano , UC Irvine , Head Baseball Coach