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jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:37 PM
The order of posts will be:
1. Index
2. The Rules
3. BBF HOF inductees by category
4. Alphabetic listing of BBF HOF inductees
5. Player ballot results
6. Voters' guide
7. Review of players with 50% or more of vote last month
8. New players on my ballot
9. Negro Leaguer players on my ballot
10. 19th century players on my ballot
11. Japanese players on my ballot
12. position players other than OF on my ballot
13. outfielders and pitchers on my ballot
14. Transition to players not on ballot but in my queues
15. Negro League players not on ballot but in queue/tough cases from those leagues
16. 19th century players not on ballot
17. Japanese players not on ballot
18. MLB position players other than OF not on ballot but in queue
19. MLB pitchers and OF not on ballot but in queue
20. Tough cases among MLB players from 1900 on
21. Prominent Negro League players I'm not likely to support
22. Prominent MLB players I'm not likely to support
Comments and discussion are welcome after I've got this structure up.
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:41 PM
Welcome to the Baseball Fever Hall of Fame
The Baseball Fever Hall of Fame (BBFHoF) was established to honor the greatest players and contributors in baseball history. We seek to match our wits against those of the National Hall of Fame in Cooperstown by comparing and contrasting our selections to their own. Our elections are held monthly.
All voters are welcome, however, prospective voters should first read our rules (in this post) and must agree to observe them.
The idea of this project has always been that each member will cast his or her own individual ballot without creating voting blocs a la "Survivor". If I become aware of violations of this concept, they will be dealt with. Toward that end, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance, or only the first vote will be counted. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, like the Chancellor and the Wizard, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same.
There is only one election which occurs monthly at this point: for players who have been retired for a full season. There is an election for contributors to the game, who are either retired or at least 60 years of age, but that election is now held only once a year, in November. Ballots must be posted in the monthly voting thread by the end of the voting cycle and adhere to the rules below in order to be counted. I will post the last day of the voting cycle in the post beginning each voting cycle. Also, I reserve the right to reject ballots which do not alphabetize the listing of candidates. The process of counting the votes is hard enough, and my spreadsheet is set up to take advantage of the tradition of alphabetized ballots.
Players from and contributors to the major, negro and japanese leagues are eligible for consideration. For clarity, I consider the following leagues part of the "negro leagues": the US American Leagues, Cuban Winter Leauge to 1950, Mexican League to 1950, Puerto Rican Winter League to 1950, the 1937 Dominican League and the California Winter League. Once inducted as either a player or contributor, an individual is no longer eligible for consideration in the other capacity. Players are to be considered based on their performance and its impact on their teams. Contributors are to be considered for the quality and impact of their contribution to their teams and/or the sport in general. (This may include a contributor's playing career.)
A Players Ballot should list the 25 most deserving candidates (until we have elected at least 90% of the number of players in Cooperstown.) A Contributors Ballot should list up to the 15 most deserving candidates. When shorter ballots are permitted, the minimum number of candidates will be the number which, when added to the number elected to the BBF HOF brings us equal to the to the number of contributors or players (depending on the category in question). When new minimum vote numbers apply, they will be posted. When we get to the point where the minimum vote is zero (as with the contributor ballot), a voter may submit a ballot indicating " I do not believe there are any qualified (player/contributor) candidates".
We have now reached the point where a ballot of as few as zero (0) names is acceptable on the contributor side.
Please note that once a person is elected either as a contributor or as a player, he is no longer eligible to receive votes in either category.
At the conclusion of each election (11:59:59 PM Eastern US time on the 25th unless otherwise notified by post of jalbright), the votes will be tabulated and any candidate named on the greater of nine or 75% or more of the valid ballots in a given category (player or contributor) will be inducted that month.
You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the ballot is open. However, I request that you PM me (jalbright) to ensure that I am aware of the change. It would be most helpful if you could tell me who was added and/or subtracted from your ballot. I cannot agree to be responsible for monitoring the thread for any changes voters might make. If I catch them, fine, but if I don't and am not notified, the official count will be what I have been notified of, not what is on the thread.
Also, it is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists
Feel free to ask questions by either sending jalbright a PM, or by posting a question in this or the BBF HOF discussion thread.
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:44 PM
Baseball Fever Hall of Fame Membership by category
194 players inducted (85% of Cooperstown's 227)
58 contributors inducted (over 100% of Cooperstown's 53)
Pitchers
Pete Alexander, Bert Blyleven, Mordecai Brown, Raymond Brown, Steve Carlton, John Clarkson, Stan Coveleski, Dizzy Dean, Don Drysdale, Dennis Eckersley, Bob Feller, Wes Ferrell, Whitey Ford, Bill Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson, Goose Gossage, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Ferguson Jenkins, Walter Johnson, Masaichi Kaneda, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Hal Newhouser, Kid Nichols, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige, Jim Palmer, Gaylord Perry, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Cannonball Dick Redding, Robin Roberts, Joe Rogan, Amos Rusie, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Warren Spahn, Don Sutton, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Hoyt Wilhelm, Joe Williams, Early Wynn, Cy Young
Catchers
Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella, Gary Carter, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing, Carlton Fisk, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Biz Mackey, Katsuya Nomura, Louis Santop, Ted Simmons, Deacon White
First Basemen
Dick Allen, Cap Anson, Dan Brouthers, Roger Connor, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Buck Leonard, Willie McCovey, Mark McGwire, Johnny Mize, Eddie Murray, Sadaharu Oh, George Sisler, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry
Second Basemen
Roberto Alomar, Rod Carew, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Gordon, Bobby Grich, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lajoie, Joe Morgan, Jackie Robinson, Ryne Sandberg
Third Basemen
Frank Baker, Wade Boggs, George Brett, Jimmy Collins, Ray Dandridge, Stan Hack, Harmon Killebrew, Eddie Mathews, Paul Molitor, Shigeo Nagashima, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo, Mike Schmidt, Pie Traynor, Jud Wilson
Shortstops
Luke Appling, Ernie Banks, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Barry Larkin, Pop Lloyd, Pee Wee Reese, Cal Ripken Jr., Ozzie Smith, Alan Trammell, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Willie Wells, George Wright, Robin Yount
Left Fielders
Albert Belle, Lou Brock, Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Isao Harimoto, Rickey Henderson, Monte Irvin, Joe Jackson, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Jim O'Rourke, Tim Raines, Al Simmons, Willie Stargell, Harry Stovey, Zach Wheat, Billy Williams, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski
Center Fielders
Richie Ashburn, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard Brown, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Larry Doby, Hugh Duffy, Billy Hamilton, Paul Hines, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Dale Murphy, Kirby Puckett, Duke Snider, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes
Right Fielders
Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Sam Crawford, Andre Dawson, Martin Dihigo, Tony Gwynn, Harry Heilmann, Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, Willie Keeler, King Kelly, Mel Ott, Dave Parker, Frank Robinson, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth, Enos Slaughter, Sam Thompson, Christobal Torriente, Paul Waner, Dave Winfield
Managers
Walter Alston, Sparky Anderson, Frank Chance, Bobby Cox, Leo Durocher, Ned Hanlon, Whitey Herzog, Miller Huggins, Hughie Jennings, Tetsuharu Kawakami, Tony LaRussa, Tommy Lasorda, Al Lopez, Connie Mack, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Bill McKechnie, Frank Selee, Billy Southworth, Casey Stengel, C. I. Taylor, Joe Torre, Earl Weaver, Dick Williams
Executives
Ed Barrow, Charles Comiskey, Clark Griffith, William Hulbert, Ban Johnson, Kenesaw M. Landis, Larry MacPhail, Walter O'Malley, Cum Posey, Branch Rickey, Albert Spalding, Bill Veeck, George Weiss, J.L. Wilkinson
Pioneers
Doc Adams, Sy Berger, Alexander Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Charles Conlon, Rube Foster, Marvin Miller, Buck O'Neill, John Montgomery Ward, Harry Wright
Broadcasters
Mel Allen, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Vin Scully
Writers
Bill James, Francis Richter, J.G. Taylor Spink
Umpires
Tom Connolly, Bill Klem
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:46 PM
Alphabetical list of elected players and contributors:
Player pos … Contributor
Aaron of … Adams, Doc
Alexander pos … Allen, Mel
Allen 1b … Alston, Walter
Alomar 2b … Anderson, Sparky
Anson 1b … Barber, Red
Appling ss … Barrow, Ed
Ashburn of … Berger, Sy
Averill of … Cartwright, Alexander
Baker 3b … Chadwick, Henry
Banks ss … Chance, Frank
CP Bell of … Commiskey, Charlie
Belle of … Conlon, Charles
Bench c … Connolly, Tom
Berra c … Cox, Bobby
Blyleven p … Dunn, Jack
Boggs 3b … Durocher, Leo
Boudreau ss … Foster, Rube
Brett 3b … Griffith, Clark
Brock of … Hanlon, Ned
Brouthers 1b … Harwell, Ernie
3 Brown p … Herzog, Whitey
R. Brown p … Huggins, Miller
W Brown of Hulbert, Wiliiam
Burkett of … James, Bill
Campanellla c … Jennings, Hughie
Carew 2b ….. Johnson, Ban
Carey of … Kawakami, Tetsuharu
Carlton p … Klem, Bill
G. Carter c … Landis, Kennesaw
Charleston of … LaRussa, Tony
Clarke of … Lasorda, Tommy
Clarkson p … Lopez, Al
Clemente of … Mack, Connie
Cobb of … MacPhail. Larry
Cochrane c … McCarthy, Joe
E. Collins 2b … McGraw, John
J. Collins 3b … McKechnie, Bill
Connor 1b … Miller, Marvin
Coveleski p … O'Malley, Walter
Crawford of … O'Neill, Buck
Cronin ss … Posey, Cum
Dahlen ss … Richter, Francis
Dandridge 3b … Rickey, Branch
G. Davis ss … Scully, Vin
Dawson of … Selee, Frank
Dean p … Southworth, Billy
Delahanty of … Spalding, Albert
Dickey c … Spink, J. G. Taylo
Dihigo 2b … Stengel, Casey
J. DiMaggio of … Taylor, C. I.
Doby of ….. Torre, Joe
Doerr 2b … Veeck, Bill
Drysdale p … Ward, Monte
Duffy of Weaver, Earl
Eckersley p … Weiss, George
Ewing c … Wilkinson, J. L.
Feller p … Williams, Dick
Ferrell p … Wright, Harry
Fisk c …
Ford p …..
W. Foster p …
Foxx 1b …
Freehan c …
Frisch 2b …
Galvin p …
Gehrig 1b …
Gehringer 2b …
B. Gibson p …
J. Gibson c …
Gordon 2b …
Goslin of …
Gossage p …
Greenberg 1b …
Grich 2b …
Grove p …
Gwynn of …
Hack 3b …
Hamilton of …
Harimoto of …
Hartnett c …
Heilmann of …
R Henderson of …
Herman 2b …
Hines of …
Hornsby 2b …
Hubbell p …
Irvin of …
J. Jackson of …
R Jackson of …
Jenkins p …
W. Johnson p …
Kaline of …
Kaneda p …
Keefe p …
Keeler of …
K Kelly of …
Killebrew 3b …
Kiner of …
Koufax p …
LaJoie 2b …
Larkin ss …
Lemon p …
Leonard 1b …
Lloyd ss …
Lyons p …
Mackey c …
Magee of …
Mantle of …
Marichal p …
Mathews 3b …
Mathewson p …
W. Mays of …
McCovey 1b …
McGinnity p …
McGwire 1b …
Medwick of …
Minoso of …
Mize 1b …
Molitor 3b …
Morgan 2b …
Murphy, Dale of …
Murray 1b …
Musial of …
Nagashima 3b …
Newhouser p …
Nichols p …
Niekro p …
Nomura c …
Oh 1b …
O'Rourke of …
Ott of …
Paige p …
Palmer p …
Parker of …
G. Perry p …
Plank p …
Puckett of ….
Radbourn p …
Raines of …
Redding p …
Reese ss …
Ripken ss …
Roberts p …
B. Robinson 3b …
F. Robinson of …
J. Robinson 2b …
Rogan p …
Rose of …
Rusie p …
Ruth of …
Ryan p …
Sandberg 2b …
Santo 3b …
Santop c …
Schmidt 3b …
Seaver p …
A. Simmons of …
T Simmons c …
Sisler 1b …
Slaughter of …
O. Smith ss …
Snider of …
Spahn p …
Speaker of …
Stargell of …
Stearnes of ….
Stovey of …
Suttles 1b …
Sutton p …
Terry 1b …
Thompson of …
Torriente of …
Trammell ss …
Traynor 3b …
Vance p …
Vaughan ss …
Waddell p …
Wagner ss …
Walsh p …
P Waner of …
Wells ss …
Wheat of …
D. White 3b …
Wilhelm p …
B. Williams of …
J Williams p …..
T Williams of …
J. Wilson 3b …
Winfield of …
Wright, G ss …
E. Wynn p
Yaz of
Young p
Yount ss
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:48 PM
Here are the complete player voting results for February (14 votes cast):
player votes percentage player votes percentage
Aparicio, Luis 5 35.7 Brown, Willard 12 85.7
Bando, Sal 4 28.6 Flick, Elmer 10 71.4
Barnes, Ross 4 28.6 Sutter, Bruce 10 71.4
Beckley, Jake 5 35.7 Fingers, Rollie 9 64.3
Beckwith, John 8 57.1 Groh, Heinie 9 64.3
Bennett, Charlie 4 28.6 Beckwith, John 8 57.1
Bessho, Akira 2 14.3 Bunning, Jim 8 57.1
Bonds, Bobby 5 35.7 Mendez, Jose 8 57.1
Boyer, Ken 6 42.9 Whitaker, Lou 8 57.1
Bresnahan, Roger 4 28.6 Browning, Pete 7 50.0
Brown, Willard 12 85.7 Clark, Will 7 50.0
Browning, Pete 7 50.0 Fox, Nellie 7 50.0
Bunning, Jim 8 57.1 Gore, George 7 50.0
Caruthers, Bob 4 28.6 Hill, Pete 7 50.0
Cash, Norm 1 7.1 Joss, Addie 7 50.0
Cepeda, Orlando 5 35.7 Mays, Carl 7 50.0
Cepeda, Perucho 3 21.4 Quisenberry, Dan 7 50.0
Clark, Will 7 50.0 Roush, Edd 7 50.0
Cravath, Gavvy 2 14.3 Starffin, Victor 7 50.0
Cuyler, Kiki 1 7.1 Boyer, Ken 6 42.9
Day, Leon 1 7.1 Hernandez, Keith 6 42.9
DiMaggio, Dom 1 7.1 Inao, Kazuhisa 6 42.9
Doyle, Larry 2 14.3 Aparicio, Luis 5 35.7
Evans, Darrell 5 35.7 Beckley, Jake 5 35.7
Evans, Dwight 1 7.1 Bonds, Bobby 5 35.7
Faber, Red 3 21.4 Cepeda, Orlando 5 35.7
Fingers, Rollie 9 64.3 Evans, Darrell 5 35.7
Flick, Elmer 10 71.4 Grant, Frank 5 35.7
Fox, Nellie 7 50.0 Kelley, Joe 5 35.7
Franco, John 2 14.3 Palmeiro, Rafael 5 35.7
Glasscock, Jack 4 28.6 Wallace, Bobby 5 35.7
Gomez, Lefty 2 14.3 Welch, Mickey 5 35.7
Gore, George 7 50.0 Bando, Sal 4 28.6
Grant, Frank 5 35.7 Barnes, Ross 4 28.6
Grimes, Burleigh 3 21.4 Bennett, Charlie 4 28.6
Groh, Heinie 9 64.3 Bresnahan, Roger 4 28.6
Hernandez, Keith 6 42.9 Caruthers, Bob 4 28.6
Hill, Pete 7 50.0 Glasscock, Jack 4 28.6
Howard, Frank 1 7.1 Klein, Chuck 4 28.6
Inao, Kazuhisa 6 42.9 McPhee, Bid 4 28.6
Johnson, Bob 2 14.3 Moore, Dobie 4 28.6
Johnson, Home Run 2 14.3 Ruffing, Red 4 28.6
Joss, Addie 7 50.0 Smith, Hilton 4 28.6
Kelley, Joe 5 35.7 Sosa, Sammy 4 28.6
Klein, Chuck 4 28.6 Wynn, Jimmy 4 28.6
Leach, Toimmy 1 7.1 Cepeda, Perucho 3 21.4
Manush, Heinie 1 7.1 Faber, Red 3 21.4
Maranville, Rabbit 1 7.1 Grimes, Burleigh 3 21.4
Martinez, Edgar 3 21.4 Martinez, Edgar 3 21.4
Mathews, Bobby 1 7.1 McGriff, Fred 3 21.4
Mays, Carl 7 50.0 Perez, Tony 3 21.4
McCormick, Jim 1 7.1 Rice, Jim 3 21.4
McGriff, Fred 3 21.4 Rice, Sam 3 21.4
McPhee, Bid 4 28.6 Rixey, Eppa 3 21.4
McVey, Cal 1 7.1 Ryan, Jimmy 3 21.4
Mendez, Jose 8 57.1 Sewell, Joe 3 21.4
Moore, Dobie 4 28.6 Bessho, Akira 2 14.3
Nettles, Graig 1 7.1 Cravath, Gavvy 2 14.3
Ochiai, Hiromitsu 2 14.3 Doyle, Larry 2 14.3
Palmeiro, Rafael 5 35.7 Franco, John 2 14.3
Pearce, Dickey 1 7.1 Gomez, Lefty 2 14.3
Perez, Tony 3 21.4 Johnson, Bob 2 14.3
Poles, Spotswood 2 14.3 Johnson, Home Run 2 14.3
Quisenberry, Dan 7 50.0 Ochiai, Hiromitsu 2 14.3
Rice, Jim 3 21.4 Poles, Spotswood 2 14.3
Rice, Sam 3 21.4 Smith, Lee 2 14.3
Rixey, Eppa 3 21.4 Van Haltren, George 2 14.3
Rosen, Al 1 7.1 Walker, Larry 2 14.3
Roush, Edd 7 50.0 Cash, Norm 1 7.1
Ruffing, Red 4 28.6 Cuyler, Kiki 1 7.1
Ryan, Jimmy 3 21.4 Day, Leon 1 7.1
Shocker, Urban 1 7.1 DiMaggio, Dom 1 7.1
Sewell, Joe 3 21.4 Evans, Dwight 1 7.1
Smith, Hilton 4 28.6 Howard, Frank 1 7.1
Smith, Reggie 1 7.1 Leach, Toimmy 1 7.1
Smith, Lee 2 14.3 Manush, Heinie 1 7.1
Sosa, Sammy 4 28.6 Maranville, Rabbit 1 7.1
Starffin, Victor 7 50.0 Mathews, Bobby 1 7.1
Start, Joe 1 7.1 McCormick, Jim 1 7.1
Sutter, Bruce 10 71.4 McVey, Cal 1 7.1
Tiant, Luis 1 7.1 Nettles, Graig 1 7.1
Van Haltren, George 2 14.3 Pearce, Dickey 1 7.1
Veach, Bobby 1 7.1 Rosen, Al 1 7.1
Walker, Larry 2 14.3 Shocker, Urban 1 7.1
Wallace, Bobby 5 35.7 Smith, Reggie 1 7.1
Welch, Mickey 5 35.7 Start, Joe 1 7.1
Whitaker, Lou 8 57.1 Tiant, Luis 1 7.1
Wilson, Hack 1 7.1 Veach, Bobby 1 7.1
Wynn, Jimmy 4 28.6 Wilson, Hack 1 7.1
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:49 PM
Albright BBF HOF voting guide for March 2007
key:
blue=Negro Leagues
red=Japanese leagues
green=19th century
orange=not even in my queue
italics= not on my ballot for this month
Received 50% or more of the vote last month:
Players: Carl Mays (50), Bruce Sutter (71), Lou Whitaker (57), Pete Browning (50), Rollie Fingers (64), Will Clark (50), Elmer Flick (71), Heinie Groh (64), John Beckwith (57), Jim Bunning (57), Jose Mendez (54), Nellie Fox (50), George Gore (50), Pete Hill (50), Addie Joss (50), Dan Quisenberry (50), Edd Roush (50)
Categories below this will have 1) all players with 50% or more of the votes last month (percentages from last month will follow their names in parentheses), 2) all players on my ballot, and 3) if there are no players in the category with over 50% of the vote last month, the leading vote getter in the category will be listed with his percentage of the vote last month in parentheses, so long as he received at least five (5) votes.
Negro League Pitcher Jose Mendez (57)
Negro League Hitters Pete Hill (50) , Frank Grant (36), John Beckwith (57)
19th century pitcher Mickey Welch (36)
19th century hitter: Pete Browning (50) , George Gore (50)
Japanese pitcher: Kazuhisa Inao (43), Victor Starffin (50), Akira Bessho
Japanese hitter: Hiromitsu Ochiai
My ballot by position plus leading vote getters
Catcher:
First Base: Hiromitsu Ochiai, Will Clark (50), Orlando Cepeda (36)
Second Base: Frank Grant (36), Lou Whitaker (57), Nellie Fox (50)
Third Base: Ken Boyer (43), John Beckwith (57), Heinie Groh (64)
Shortstop: Dobie Moore
Outfield: Pete Hill (50), Elmer Flick (71), Joe Kelley (33), George Gore (50)
Starting Pitcher: Kazuhisa Inao (43) , Victor Starffin (50), Akira Bessho, Burleigh Grimes, Carl Mays (50), Red Ruffing, Jim Bunning (57), Jose Mendez (57)
Relief pitcher Rollie Fingers (64), Bruce Sutter (71), Dan Quisenberry (50)
Plugs for first time player candidates will appear in the discussion thread, and I will create a thread which will provide the plugs for all the holdovers on my ballot not covered in the discussion thread this month.
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:51 PM
Players with 50% or more of the vote last month
On my ballot this month
Carl Mays (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545938&postcount=279)
Bruce Sutter (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=466733&postcount=230)
Lou Whitaker (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
Rollie Fingers (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=469902&postcount=232)
Will Clark (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443216&postcount=218)
Elmer Flick (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=540581&postcount=263)
Jose Mendez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781001&postcount=325)
Pete Hill (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361391&postcount=55)
John Beckwith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361394&postcount=57)
George Gore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546237&postcount=286)
Nellie Fox (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443211&postcount=217)
Heinie Groh (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541455&postcount=268)
Jim Bunning (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443193&postcount=214)
Dan Quisenberry (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=466735&postcount=231)
Players I'm not supporting and why
Pete Browning (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=748061&postcount=324)
Addie Joss (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=485853&postcount=240)
Edd Roush (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781733&postcount=326)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:52 PM
New to my ballot this month
Players
George Gore
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:54 PM
Negro Leaguers
Pitchers
Jose Mendez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781001&postcount=325)
Position players
Pete Hill (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361391&postcount=55)
Frank Grant (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361376&postcount=47)
Dobie Moore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361398&postcount=59)
John Beckwith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361394&postcount=57)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:56 PM
19th century players
Pitcher: Mickey Welch is not even in my queue
Position players:
Joe Kelley (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546231&postcount=285)
George Gore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546237&postcount=286)
Pete Browning is not even in my queue
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:56 PM
Japanese Players
Pitchers
Kazuhisa Inao (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404359&postcount=176)
Victor Starffin (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404363&postcount=177)
Akira Bessho (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409062&postcount=187)
Position Players
Hiromitsu Ochiai (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409082&postcount=190)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:57 PM
position players other than OF on my ballot
Catcher
Charlie Bennett is in my queue, but not on my ballot
First Base
Hiromitsu Ochiai (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409082&postcount=188)
Will Clark (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443216&postcount=218)
Orlando Cepeda (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545922&postcount=277)
Second Base
Frank Grant (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361376&postcount=47)
Lou Whitaker (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
Nellie Fox (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443211&postcount=217)
Third Base
Ken Boyer (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546225&postcount=284)
Heinie Groh (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541455&postcount=268)
Shortstop
Dobie Moore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361398&postcount=59)
Infielder
John Beckwith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361394&postcount=57)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:58 PM
Outfielders and Pitchers on my ballot
Outfielders
Pete Hill (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361391&postcount=55)
Joe Kelley (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546231&postcount=285)
Elmer Flick (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=540581&postcount=263)
George Gore (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=546237&postcount=286)
Pitchers
Kazuhisa Inao (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404359&postcount=176)
Victor Starffin (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=404363&postcount=177)
Red Ruffing (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=408323&postcount=184)
Akira Bessho (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409062&postcount=187)
Burleigh Grimes (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443047&postcount=211)
Rollie Fingers (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=469902&postcount=232)
Carl Mays (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545938&postcount=279)
Bruce Sutter (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=466733&postcount=230)
Jim Bunning (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443193&postcount=214)
Dan Quisenberry (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=466735&postcount=231)
Jose Mendez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781001&postcount=325)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:59 PM
At this point, we stop dealing with who is on my ballot, and start dealing with who is left in my queues and the reasons for those selections.
jalbright
01-28-2007, 07:59 PM
Negro League players not on my ballot but in my queue and tough cases from those leagues
Negro League position players not yet on my ballot:
Home Run Johnson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361381&postcount=48)
Alejandro Oms (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361402&postcount=60)
Negro League Pitchers not yet on my ballot
Leon Day (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361390&postcount=54)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 08:00 PM
19th century players not yet on my ballot
Hardy Richardson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=393617&postcount=163)
Charlie Bennett (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=393654&postcount=165)
Jack Glasscock (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541463&postcount=271)
Ezra Sutton (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=393634&postcount=164)
Tony Mullane (pitcher) (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=370012&postcount=139)
Hard cases from the 19th century
Joe Start (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361596&postcount=95)
Herman Long (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541460&postcount=270)
George Van Haltren (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=540589&postcount=264)
Some good 19th century players I don't think I can support and why
Lip Pike (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=361594&postcount=94)
Ross Barnes (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=371259&postcount=146)
Jake Beckley ( http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631272&postcount=305 )
Pete Browning (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=748061&postcount=324)
Mickey Welch (pitcher) (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=413488&postcount=190)
Bob Caruthers (pitcher) (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547693&postcount=288)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 08:00 PM
Japanese pitchers not yet on my ballot:
Masaaki Koyama (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409058&postcount=186)
Yutaka Enatsu (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409056&postcount=185)
Tough case from Japan
Koji Yamamoto (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=409094&postcount=189)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 08:01 PM
Major league infielders from 20th century and after:
Sal Bando (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541453&postcount=267)
Larry Doyle (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443705&postcount=222)
Bid McPhee (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=541457&postcount=269)
Tony Perez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=443202&postcount=216)
Vern Stephens (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=540615&postcount=266)
Bobby Wallace (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=389113&postcount=160)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 08:01 PM
Major league pitchers and outfielders from 1900 on
Major league outfielders from 20th century and after:
Sam Rice (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545914&postcount=276)
Major league pitchers from 20th century and after
Billy Pierce (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=542251&postcount=273)
Eppa Rixey (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=395028&postcount=166)
Bucky Walters (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=542245&postcount=272)
Vic Willis (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=425940&postcount=202)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 08:02 PM
Tough choices from 20th century and after MLB:
Luis Aparicio (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545948&postcount=281)
Kevin Brown (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631270&postcount=304)
Wilber Cooper (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545954&postcount=283)
Darrell Evans (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
Red Faber (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545932&postcount=278)
Catfish Hunter (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545909&postcount=275)
Tommy Leach (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
Rabbit Maranville (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
Graig Nettles (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
Herb Pennock (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
Johnny Pesky (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=545940&postcount=280)
Joe Sewell (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=547259&postcount=287)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 08:03 PM
Some prominent Negro Leaguers I'm not likely to support and why:
Spotswood Poles (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368354&postcount=132)
Ben Taylor (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368356&postcount=133)
Bingo DeMoss (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368356&postcount=133)
Oliver Marcelle (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368356&postcount=133)
Judy Johnson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=368357&postcount=134)
Chino Smith (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=369995&postcount=137)
jalbright
01-28-2007, 08:03 PM
Prominent major league candidates I'm not likely to support and why:
Bobby Bonds (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=387233&postcount=159)
Roger Bresnahan (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=369471&postcount=136)
Joe Carter (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363435&postcount=125)
Kiki Cuyler (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631265&postcount=301)
Steve Garvey (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363442&postcount=126)
Keith Hernandez (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=531939&postcount=257)
Gil Hodges (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=367384&postcount=131)
Bob Johnson (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=712366&postcount=319)
Addie Joss (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=485853&postcount=240)
Chuck Klein (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=380614&postcount=155)
Heinie Manush (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631266&postcount=302)
Roger Maris (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=421141&postcount=193)
Edgar Martinez ( http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=631268&postcount=303 )
Bill Mazeroski (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363248&postcount=124)
Fred McGriff (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=457494&postcount=228)
Tony Oliva (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=481524&postcount=237)
Jim Rice (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=363435&postcount=125)
Edd Roush (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=781733&postcount=326)
Larry Walker (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=722877&postcount=322)
Maury Wills (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=608273&postcount=299)
Jimmy Wynn (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=386606&postcount=157)
Sockeye
02-02-2007, 01:18 PM
wrong thread
jalbright
02-03-2007, 05:56 AM
Status of the ballot as of EastvanMungo's ballot:
Player votes counted: 8
Projected total votes for players: 15
Projected votes needed for election of player: 12
Presenting players receiving at least 5 votes thus far.
Player.. votes % prjctd chance
W. Brown.....,,7 87.5 13 95
Flick....... 7 87.5 12 91
Bunning... 6 75 10 43
Sutter..... 6 75 10 43
Browning.. 5 62.5 10 21
Fingers.... 5 62.5 10 21
Gore....... 5 62.5 9 14
Beckwith. 5 62.5 8 11
Welch..... 5 62.5 7 9
The "votes" category in each table is the official vote count as of the time cited above, and the % is the percentage of votes counted as of that same time. The "prjctd" is the sum of votes already gotten plus the number of votes received from last month's voters whose votes have not yet been counted this month. The chance is a percentage estimate of the individual's chance of being elected this month.
jalbright
02-27-2007, 07:27 PM
I've retitled and updated this thread so we're now on March 2007
jalbright
03-04-2007, 08:56 AM
Please note that I have changed the rules to reflect the new voting cycle. This month (March 2007), the voting will end on the 23rd instead of the 25th. Thereafter, I intend to follow a three week voting cycle unless I am slated to be away at the crucial time. In any event, I will post the date the voting ends in each thread beginning the voting.
Jim Albright
jalbright
03-10-2007, 09:02 AM
We've got 13 votes in through Dudecar00's vote. At present, we have 4 candidates still in the running, assuming no new voters. Those four are Rollie Fingers, Elmer Flick, Nellie Fox and Lou Whitaker. There are three outstanding votes from last month, which gives us an anticipated total of 16 votes, meaning 12 will be needed for election. The situation is one I find encouraging:
Fingers has 11 votes, and 2 of the three outstanding voters from last month voted for him. He's superbly positioned for election this month.
Flick has 10 votes, and 2 of the three outstanding voters from last month voted for him. His chances of election this month are quite good.
Fox has 9 votes, but all 3 of the outstanding voters from last month voted for him. If all three vote again, he's in a strong position as well.
Whitaker also has 9 votes, but only had the support of one of the three outstanding voters last month. He's a longshot.
So, if all three outstanding voters vote by the 23rd, and we get no new votes excluding Fox and Flick, we are looking at electing three players this month. Fingers could even absorb one new vote excluding him if his two supporters from last month vote for him again.