February 2007 voting thread

[jalbright]

Let the voting begin! For anyone who has not participated before, please read the rules posted here The Rules (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807179&postcount=2)

Please note that the contributor ballot will not be counted again until November.

Other information of note is who is in the BBF HOF.

BBF HOF membership by category (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807182&postcount=3)

BBF HOF membership listed alphabetically (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807183&postcount=4)

Last month's results are posted. You are requested to pay particular attention to those individuals receiving 50% or more of the vote last month, as they are the most likely candidates to be elected this month. In fact, I have specific posts on players receiving 50% or more of last month's vote:

Players with half or more of last month's vote (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807188&postcount=7)

Player ballot results from last month (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807186&postcount=5)


Jim Albright

[jalbright]

My February 2007 ballot

key:
red=Japanese League
blue=Negro Leagues
green=19th century

The biggest change in my ballot is dropping the contributors in accordance with the fact we're not going to be voting for them again until November, and then only annually. Last month, I voted for the elected Hugh Duffy, and he is replaced by Joe Kelley.


Players

1. John Beckwith, IF
2. Akira Bessho, p (Japan)
3. Willard Brown, of
4. Ken Boyer, 3b
5. Jim Bunning, p
6. Orlando Cepeda, 1b
7. Will Clark, 1b
8. Rollie Fingers, p
9. Elmer Flick, of
10. Nellie Fox, 2b
11. Frank Grant, 2b
12. Burleigh Grimes, p
13. Heinie Groh, 3b
14. Pete Hill, of
15. Kazuhisa Inao p (Japan)
16. Joe Kelley, of
17. Carl Mays, p
18. Jose Mendez, p
19. Dobie Moore, ss
20. Hiromitsu Ochiai 1B/3B (Japan)
21. Dan Quisenberry, p
22. Red Ruffing p
23. Victor Starffin p (Japan)
24. Bruce Sutter, p
25. Lou Whitaker, 2b


Jim Albright

[Captain Cold Nose]

We have sixty some people voting in the HOF ballot game. That's great. I really hope we can get some of those posters here.

Ross Barnes
Jake Beckley
John Beckwith
Willard Brown
Pete Browning
Jim Bunning
Bob Caruthers
Kiki Cuyler
Leon Day
Rollie Fingers
Elmer Flick
Burleigh Grimes
Pete Hill
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Heinie Manush
Jose Mendez
Sam Rice
Edd Roush
Jimmy Ryan
Hilton Smith
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
George Van Haltren
Mickey Welch

[dgarza]

Luis Aparicio
Ross Barnes
Jake Beckley
Willard Brown
Pete Browning
Orlando Cepeda
Nellie Fox
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Bobby Mathews
Jim McCormick
Cal McVey
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Al Rosen
Lee Smith
Sammy Sosa
Bobby Veach
Larry Walker
Mickey Welch
Hack Wilson

[abacab]

Jake Beckley - 8
John Beckwith - 4
Bobby Bonds - 4
Willard Brown - 3
Jim Bunning - 14
Darrell Evans - 7
Red Faber - 13
Rollie Fingers - 16
Elmer Flick - 18
Jack Glasscock - 10
George Gore - 1
Heinie Groh - 4
Keith Hernandez - 9
Pete Hill - 10
Joe Kelley - 13
Bid McPhee - 10
Tony Perez - 12
Eppa Rixey - 10
Edd Roush - 3
Red Ruffing - 12
Joe Sewell - 3
Bruce Sutter - 8
Bobby Wallace - 15
Lou Whitaker - 10
Jimmy Wynn - 3

[Freakshow]

Average months on my ballot increased to 8.6, just missing a new record. This will likely grow as the electorate and mysef differ on whom we see as the Hall's lower tier. Lou Whitaker breaks Pete Rose's record for most months on my ballot. The top five that I think the electorate is missing: 1) Lou Whitaker, 2) Ken Boyer, 3-tie) Red Faber/Bid McPhee, 5) Da. Evans.

11 Barnes-2B*
16 Boyer K-3B*
1 Brown W-CF
2 Bunning-P
15 Evans Da.-3B*
3 Evans Dw.-RF*
14 Faber-P
2 Fingers-RP
8 Flick-RF
8 Glasscock-SS*
14 Gore-CF*
3 Groh-3B*
3 Hernandez-1B*
10 Kelley-LF
9 McGriff F-1B*
14 McPhee-2B
4 Palmeiro-1B*
7 Perez-1B
11 Rixey-P
2 Roush-CF
12 Ruffing-P
4 Sosa-RF*
14 Wallace-SS
21 Whitaker-2B*
8 Wynn J.-CF*
8.6 ave mos on ballot

* = not a member of the Coop HOF
bold = member of the Hall of Merit

[2Chance]

John Beckwith
Sal Bando
Charlie Bennett
Roger Bresnahan
Willard Brown
Pete Browning
Jim Bunning
Perucho Cepeda
Will Clark
Darrell Evans
Elmer Flick
George Gore
Frank Grant
Pete Hill
Kazuhisa Inao
Jose Mendez
Dobie Moore
Rafael Palmeiro
Dan Quisenberry
Hilton Smith
Sammy Sosa*
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
Mickey Welch
Lou Whitaker

* Knowing full well Sosa has signed a minor league contract with the Rangers, I'm betting he doesn't make it to the big club.

[dgarza]

* Knowing full well Sosa has signed a minor league contract with the Rangers, I'm betting he doesn't make it to the big club.
I was wonder about this, if he is still eligible, knowing this.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I was wonder about this, if he is still eligible, knowing this.
We voted for Rickey Henderson while he was playing in the Independent League. I think as long as he is not on an MLB roster, he's eligible.

[2Chance]

Sammy is currently off ML rosters long enough to qualify, and up to now without any prospect of a comeback. During his playing days, he did enough to make him a lock for the HoF under our rules.

Still, I may consider dropping him and substituting another candidate to prevent the election of an active player. (Keep an eye on your p-mailbox, Jim!)

He is in a unique position, that's for sure.

[jalbright]

If Sosa makes a major league roster, he becomes ineligible beginning the month of voting after he attains that status until at least November.

Jim Albright

[The Kid]

John Beckwith
Sal Bando
Charlie Bennett
Roger Bresnahan
Willard Brown
Pete Browning
Jim Bunning
Perucho Cepeda
Will Clark
Darrell Evans
Elmer Flick
George Gore
Frank Grant
Kieth Hernandez
Kazuhisa Inao
Jose Mendez
Dobie Moore
Rafael Palmeiro
Dan Quisenberry
Hilton Smith
Sammy Sosa*
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
Mickey Welch
Jimmy Wynn

[Sockeye]

1. Mickey Welch
2. Jose Canseco
3. Fred McGriff
4. Rafael Palmeiro
5. Juan Gonzalez
6. Darrell Evans
7. Dave Kingman
8. Sammy Sosa
9. Dwight Evans
10. Edgar Martinez
11. Tony Perez
12. Larry Walker
13. Rusty Staub
14. Sam Rice
15. Jim Rice
16. Chili Davis
17. John Olerud
18. Al Oliver
19. Vada Pinson
20. Jim Bottomley
21. Harold Baines
22. Steve Garvey
23. Joe Carter
24. Gary Gaetti
25. Bill Buckner

1. Fred Haney
2. Dick Walsh
3. Gene Autry
4. Harry Dalton
5. Buzzie Bavasi
6. Mike Port
7. Dan O'Brien
8. Bill Stoneman
9. Roland Hemond
10. Walter Shannon
11. Bill Rigney
12. Gene Mauch
13. Jim Fregosi
14. Doug Rader
15. Lefty Phillips

[Eastvanmungo]

Players

Louis Aparicio
Bobby Bonds
Pete Browning
Bob Caruthers
Will Clark
Dom Dimaggio
Rollie Fingers
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
John Franco
George Gore
Burleigh Grimes
Heinie Groh
Kazuhisa Inao
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Tony Perez
Dan Quisenberry
Bruce Sutter
Luis Tiant
Larry Walker
Mickey Welch
Jimmy Wynn

[rsuriyop]

1. Jake Beckley
2. Willard Brown
3. Pete Browning
4. Norm Cash
5. Will Clark (new replacement for this month)
6. Gavvy Cravath
7. Larry Doyle
8. Rollie Fingers
9. Elmer Flick
10. Jack Glasscock
11. Lefty Gomez
12. Bob Johnson
13. Grant "Homerun" Johnson
14. Addie Joss
15. Joe Kelley
16. Carl Mays
17. Jose Mendez
18. Spottswood Poles
19. Dan Quisenberry
20. Edd Roush
21. Jimmy Ryan
22. Urban Shocker
23. Reggie Smith
24. Victor Starfin
25. Lou Whitaker

[leecemark]

Aparicio, L.
Beckwith, J
Bennett, C.
Boyer, K.
Cepeda, O
Doyle, L.
Fingers, R
Glasscock, J
Groh, H.
Hernandez, K.
Hill, P
Inao, K
Mays, C.
Maranville, R.
Mendez, J.
McGriff, F
McPhee, B.
Nettles, G
Rice, J.
Rousch, E
Ruffing, R.
Sewell, J.
Stephens, V.
B. Wallace
Whitaker, L

[Windy City Fan]

Luis Aparicio
Sal Bando
Willard Brown
Ken Boyer
Roger Bresnahan
Orlando Cepeda
Darrell Evans
Red Faber
Rollie Fingers
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
John Franco
Heinie Groh
Frank Howard
Keith Hernandez
Addie Joss
Fred McGriff
Bid McPhee
Dan Quisenberry
Epa Rixey
Edd Rousch
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
Bobby Wallace

[TheSlaff]

PLAYERS

Ross Barnes
John Beckwith
Charlie Bennett
Bobby Bonds
Ken Boyer
Willard Brown
Pete Browning
Jim Bunning
Bob Caruthers
Nellie Fox
George Gore
Heinie Groh
Keith Hernandez
Addie Joss
Joe Kelley
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Jose Mendez
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Joe Sewell
Bruce Sutter
Lou Whitaker

[Philly-brownsfan]

I'm glad to see that Minnie Minoso is already in your Hall Of Fame, so I won't have to stump for him (the fact that he and Buck O'Neil, the only living Negro Leagues candidates were rejected by Cooperstown 12 months ago, will always be disgraceful in my book).
Here's my picks for this year (subject to later additions, but not subtractions as I would never vote for someone and then later rescind my vote).
From the Negro Leagues: Oliver Marcelle - 3B
Alejandro Oms - OF
From the Japanese Leagues:
1.Isao Harimoto - OF
2.Shigeo Nagashima - 3B
* See Below

From the Majors: 3.Gil Hodges - 1B
Pitchers 4.Jim Kaat,5. Bert Blyleven and 6.Tommy John (You can't get that close to 300 wins without getting my vote for the HOF).
pitcher 7.Jack Morris - High ERA but still among the
most dominating pitchers of the last decades of th
e 20th century.
Outfielders 8.Jim Rice and 9.Andre Dawson.
and 10. Billy Southworth, a forgotton manager who
did nothing but win with the Cardinals in the '40's &
even took the hapless Boston Braves team to a
World Series in 1948.

Oms, one of the first Cuban stars in the Negro Leagues and possibly the slickest fielding thirdbaseman ever, Marcelle (who swung a good bat too) like Minoso and O'neil were rejected by Cooperstown one year ago.

Nagashima - think of someone who had an even better playing career than Joe Torre and then became just as successful a manager.
Harimoto - Its surprising that some of you super fans wouldn't have put Harimoto into your HOF already. Of Korean parentage, and therefore suffering a good degree of discrimination at the hands of Japanese fans, he still became the first hitter in Japanese baseball history to reach 3,000 hits - A remarkable acheivement considering that during the years he played from the late 50's until about 1980 the Japanese Leagues schedule was never more than 140 games and oftern as short as 130 games per year. He obviously also had one of the highest lifetime batting averages in those leagues' history and hit 400-500 Home Runs.

*I suppose I should limit myself to 10 votes like the Baseball Writers do but if I had an 11th vote I'd vote for the Japanese player, whose name escapes me who at one time held the professional consecutive games record. (over 2,500 consecutive games). (More than Gehrig) until Ripken passed both Gehrig and this player's record. This Japanese player was part black and mixed race in heritage, and so for some of the same reasons I elected Harimoto, I'd elect him ie: For his considerable baseball accomplishments while triumphing over discrimination in a Mono-Cultural Japanese society.

Dennis Orlandini (Philly-brownsfan).

[2Chance]

originally posted by Philly-brownsfan
I'm glad to see that Minnie Minoso is already in your Hall Of Fame....
You will be happy to know that Harimoto, Nagashima, Blyleven, Andre Dawson and Billy Southworth are also in, and some of your other guys have enjoyed some support, or at least some debate.

This is the first of your posts that I've seen, so Welcome to the Fever! :waving It's good to have some fresh blood around here!

You might want to check out that post at the top again. It lays out the rules (25 men per ballot, alphabetically please, and we're only voting for players until November, when the Contributors once again become available), and it has links to show who all has been enshrined thus far.

I am looking forward to hearing more from you in the BBF HoF Discussion thread. You have obviously spent some time looking seriously at Negro Leaguers and Japanese players, which is a plus. (By the way, the player you are thinking of with the 2215 consecutive games streak is Sachio Kinugasa (http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/analysisjalbright01.html#Sachio_Kinugasa).)

See you 'round!

[Philly-brownsfan]

To 2Chance: Thanks for the welcome. I'm a little puzzled as to where to look for the complete, updated BBF-HOF list of honorees. There is one list, I saw. I suppose it was the original list of choices from a few years ago - but where is an updated, current list of members? I posted a few topics last Fall, then stopped internet service for a few months then came back again this month (2/07). My other new posts include one on Lew Burdette, called "Remebering Lew" - under Thanks Lew/ Milwaukee Braves/ Teams Of Yesteryear and one I wrote earlier today called "Andres for HOF - SI!, Two Managers-No!" under Is Andres Galaragga A Hall Of Famer - under Hall Of Fame Talk. Thanks again for the welcome and your interest in my opinions. I wrote a couple of times last Fall about the Negro Leagues election and their failure to select Minoso and O'Neil - particularly Minoso.I also wrote a little about the last St. Louis Browns team (1953), a brief period during WWII when the Browns were actually good, the oldest living major leaguer Rollie Stiles (St. Louis Browns), age 100, and of course my hometown Philadelphia Phillies.Thanks in advance for any directions you can give me about the current list of inductees. I also enjoy the Hall Of Corrections thread. It was funny and ironic that the same year as the Cooperstown Hall Of Fame voted in Bruce Sutter, after many years of struggle, your Hall Of Corrections voted him OUT! - Philly-brownsfan -

[jalbright]

We finish tonight at midnight, so you may not have time to check out all the rules and plan a proper vote in time. However, if you look at the first post of each month's voting thread, I have links to lists of the entire set of electees, the rules, and the previous month's voting results. These posts are found in the monthly Albright's voting guide threads. If you submit a valid ballot in time, I will be happy to count it. If you can't catch up to the rules this month, feel free to participate next month.

Jim Albright

[AG2004]

My February 2007 ballot:

Sal Bando
John Beckwith
Akira Bessho
Bobby Bonds
Willard Brown
Jim Bunning
Perucho Cepeda
Will Clark
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
George Gore
Frank Grant
Heinie Groh
Pete Hill
Kazuhisa Inao
Home Run Johnson
Carl Mays
Jose Mendez
Dobie Moore
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Dickey Pearce
Spotswood Poles
Dan Quisenberry
Victor Starffin
Joe Start

[J W]

Thanks to all who participated in the Contributor's Ballot:

Luis Aparicio - #14
Roger Bresnahan
Jake Beckley
Bobby Bonds
Ken Boyer
Willard Brown
Bob Caruthers
Orlando Cepeda
Will Clark
Rollie Fingers
Nellie Fox
Frank Grant
Heinie Groh
Pete Hill
Addie Joss
Tommy Leach
Carl Mays
Edd Roush
Jimmy Ryan
Hilton Smith
Lee Smith
Bruce Sutter
George Van Haltren
Bobby Wallace
Lou Whitaker

[2Chance]

originally posted by Philly-brownsfan
I'm a little puzzled as to where to look for the complete, updated BBF-HOF list of honorees. There is one list, I saw. I suppose it was the original list of choices from a few years ago - but where is an updated, current list of members?
The first post in this thread has two links; one is a complete list and the other is by category. Jim Albright has been keeping it maintained. Here they are again:

BBF HOF membership by category (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807182&postcount=3)

BBF HOF membership listed alphabetically (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=807183&postcount=4)

[jalbright]

Voting has closed for the month, and we've elected Negro Leaguer Willard Brown to the BBF HOF. I'll try and get the new thread and the new voting guide up tonight.

Jim Albright