Worst Ballpark in Baseball

[JordanDL3891]

http://www.digitalballparks.com/CanAm/Yonkers1.html my nomination

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

The worst one has to be comerica park in detroit

[hellborn]

The worst one has to be comerica park in detroit
Have you been to any ML parks? I guess that I've been to a dozen or more over the years, many of which don't exist now, and Comerica is one of the best that I've been to. I really think that they did a wonderful job with that park all around.
What don't you like about it?

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Have you been to any ML parks? I guess that I've been to a dozen or more over the years, many of which don't exist now, and Comerica is one of the best that I've been to. I really think that they did a wonderful job with that park all around.
What don't you like about it?
Trust me i live in detroit. they had a first class stadium in tiger stadium and decide to build a piece of crap like comerica toilet bowl park. comerica is a dump.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Have you been to any ML parks? I guess that I've been to a dozen or more over the years, many of which don't exist now, and Comerica is one of the best that I've been to. I really think that they did a wonderful job with that park all around.
What don't you like about it?
Please, hellborn. Don't bother. The man you're talking to lost all sense of rationality and reallity years ago.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Please, hellborn. Don't bother. The man you're talking to lost all sense of rationality and reallity years ago.
Well captain you do have the right to your opinion. and thats all i will say about that.

[PeteU]

Are you talking major and minor leagues, or just majors? Parks that you've been too personally, or all parks?

I'll be honest, I don't think there's been to personally that I could classify as a "bad" park. And yes, I've been to Joe Robbie/Dolphins Stadium, which I think is unique in it own strange way (and great fun for post season play). Maybe I'm just jaded because baseball is a fun game to watch, and a bad day at the ballpark still beats a good day at work any day.

But from my base knowledge, I'll say the Metrodome. For the fact it is multipurpose and indoors with artificial turf. I know some people might say Tropicana, but it's at least a baseball park and from what I've heard relatively bright inside.

Honestly, I think RFK Stadium looks ugly as sin, but I'll give it some points for the natural grass and that strange wavy upper deck.

[Colorado Express]

It is definitely the Metrodome!!! There is nothing worse than going to a game on a bright sunny warm day and sitting inside! The stadium is still fairly nice, but a terrible venue for a baseball game.

[anjo25]

Well, the parks here in Germany are horrible. They are usually old soccer fields, only dirt, with no grass or anything. You can really get injured, walnut-sized pebbles are all over the place. There are some parks the US army left near the airbases, though, and those are in preety good condition (Thanks, guys!), at least by German standards.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Well captain you do have the right to your opinion. and thats all i will say about that.
At least my opinion is based on something beyond bitter ignorance.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

At least my opinion is based on something beyond bitter ignorance.
Well captain i will say this i saw that dump in person a couple of months ago, i had jury duty across the street from it.i even had the chance to touch the stadiums walls if i wanted to. so now i dont want to hear from people here on this forum that say i have no right to my opinion about that toliet bowl next to ford field since i have only seen it in photos from the newspaper and on the local TV news.i have seen the stadium in person and i still say that comerica park is a dump.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Well captain i will say this i saw that dump in person a couple of months ago, i had jury duty across the street from it.i even had the chance to touch the stadiums walls if i wanted to. so now i dont want to hear from people here on this forum that say i have no right to my opinion about that toliet bowl next to ford field since i have only seen it in photos from the newspaper and on the local TV news.i have seen the stadium in person and i still say that comerica park is a dump.
Donald, we're never going to come close on this, so I'm just going to walk away. Looking at a wall is not looking at something, you have your predetermined beliefs, so nothing is going to change that. Good luck. You'll need it.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Donald, we're never going to come close on this, so I'm just going to walk away. Looking at a wall is not looking at something, you have your predetermined beliefs, so nothing is going to change that. Good luck. You'll need it.
For your info captain when i was on my lunch at jury duty i did walk around the stadium so i did see more than a wall to base my opinion.again nobody now can say that i have no right to my opinion period.but i will say this that ford field does look nice.

[JordanDL3891]

Are you talking major and minor leagues, or just majors? Parks that you've been too personally, or all parks?

I'll be honest, I don't think there's been to personally that I could classify as a "bad" park. And yes, I've been to Joe Robbie/Dolphins Stadium, which I think is unique in it own strange way (and great fun for post season play). Maybe I'm just jaded because baseball is a fun game to watch, and a bad day at the ballpark still beats a good day at work any day.

But from my base knowledge, I'll say the Metrodome. For the fact it is multipurpose and indoors with artificial turf. I know some people might say Tropicana, but it's at least a baseball park and from what I've heard relatively bright inside.

Honestly, I think RFK Stadium looks ugly as sin, but I'll give it some points for the natural grass and that strange wavy upper deck.


yea im counting minor league (hence my 1st post) did you see the link in my 1st post? there is a series of pictures about that park.

note it has to be pro ball though, no colgate stuff. (it can be Major, Minor or Independent)

[JordanDL3891]

The worst one has to be comerica park in detroit


please no more biased personal opinions, thats not what this thread is about.

what I mean is, you don't give your park a chance cause your pissed about them ditching Tiger Stadium. I am going to know what you mean when the new Yankee Stadium comes, but im not going to say its crap.

But lets just end the subject right here, no more replying about Comerica or anything like that. I dont want this thread to be closed because we are getting off-topic.


I think my link was one of the worst ballparks that had pro baseball. What do you all think.

[Seattle1]

http://www.digitalballparks.com/CanAm/Yonkers1.html my nomination

I think those are black locust trees in the foreground.

As for the worst MLB parks:

1. Tropicana

2. Metrodome

3. SkyDome

[hammer44]

The worst one has to be comerica park in detroit

I would respectfully disagree on Comerica. Attended an Indians v. Tigers game there last August. It was an afternoon game so it was HOT. Other than the stadium facing the wrong direction and the lack of cover from the sun that Tiger Stadium had it is not bad. The staff was friendly and helpful. Certainly not as bad as any of the indoor ballparks.

[Knick9]

I think those are black locust trees in the foreground.

As for the worst MLB parks:

1. Tropicana

2. Metrodome

3. SkyDome

I agree with this guy...

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

please no more biased personal opinions, thats not what this thread is about.

what I mean is, you don't give your park a chance cause your pissed about them ditching Tiger Stadium. I am going to know what you mean when the new Yankee Stadium comes, but im not going to say its crap.

But lets just end the subject right here, no more replying about Comerica or anything like that. I dont want this thread to be closed because we are getting off-topic.


I think my link was one of the worst ballparks that had pro baseball. What do you all think.
I dont really care what you think or say. the topic in this thread is the worst ballpark. which i have posted my opinion.you and everyone else has the right to there own.to me comerica park is the worst Period.

[Elvis]

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[Williamsburg2599]

http://www.digitalballparks.com/CanAm/Yonkers1.html my nomination
And it was 6$ to get in! Although it's looks like it would be very easy to sneak in.

[-Kyle-]

According to my parents, the Old Fenway park was god-awful to be in, despite the history and stuff. The renevated one is a big improvement.

[Sonny Schmidt]

http://www.digitalballparks.com/CanAm/Yonkers1.html my nomination



Beats what I play on.

[hellborn]

Trust me i live in detroit. they had a first class stadium in tiger stadium and decide to build a piece of crap like comerica toilet bowl park. comerica is a dump.
I'm not going to say that your opinion is wrong for you, but I lived in Detroit, too (OK, Farmington Hills), and remember Tiger very well. It wasn't a pit like Old Comiskey was (the new one is worse in many ways), and I liked the historic feel of the place, but I have to say that they did a nice job of replacing it. At Comerica, the statues are wonderful, the seating is logical and inexpensive, I loved being able to stroll around the whole park and see the game...I even kind of liked the big tigers.
So, I will accept that you do not like the new park for your reasons and not hassle you about it, but I will not trust you to have superior knowledge than me, because I have seen games in both parks.
The best seat I ever had for a ML game was at Tiger...went alone on a drizzly weeknight and got a single in the 2nd box seat row right behind the ump. The only bad thing was that my view was obstructed when the ump stood up straight... :p

[KCFAN11]

To me the worst ML baseball stadium is Dolphin Stadium or the Metrodome

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I'm not going to say that your opinion is wrong for you, but I lived in Detroit, too (OK, Farmington Hills), and remember Tiger very well. It wasn't a pit like Old Comiskey was (the new one is worse in many ways), and I liked the historic feel of the place, but I have to say that they did a nice job of replacing it. At Comerica, the statues are wonderful, the seating is logical and inexpensive, I loved being able to stroll around the whole park and see the game...I even kind of liked the big tigers.
So, I will accept that you do not like the new park for your reasons and not hassle you about it, but I will not trust you to have superior knowledge than me, because I have seen games in both parks.
The best seat I ever had for a ML game was at Tiger...went alone on a drizzly weeknight and got a single in the 2nd box seat row right behind the ump. The only bad thing was that my view was obstructed when the ump stood up straight... :p
Old comiskey park was a great place to see a game. granted the stadium was not kept up like tiger stadium but i loved going to comiskey park. i was in the new one only 1 time for the old comiskey park auction in 1991.my friend payed for the ticket because i was refusing to pay to go into the new one.i never had a problem going to a game and sitting in front of the posts at tiger stadium and old comiskey park.i enjoyed sitting in the outfield corners at old comiskey park even since the posts obstructed some of the views.i hate the new comiskey park with a passion just like i hate comerica park. comiskey park could have lasted with more renovations but the owners were determined to build that new dump on the south side of chicago.

[hellborn]

Old comiskey park was a great place to see a game. granted the stadium was not kept up like tiger stadium but i loved going to comiskey park. i was in the new one only 1 time for the old comiskey park auction in 1991.my friend payed for the ticket because i was refusing to pay to go into the new one.i never had a problem going to a game and sitting in front of the posts at tiger stadium and old comiskey park.i enjoyed sitting in the outfield corners at old comiskey park even since the posts obstructed some of the views.i hate the new comiskey park with a passion just like i hate comerica park. comiskey park could have lasted with more renovations but the owners were determined to build that new dump on the south side of chicago.
Ugh...I grew up near Chicago and did not like going to Old Comiskey...it stunk bad under the stands, there were weird drips and mold growing everywhere even when it wasn't raining, and we always had bad views from our seats. I'm glad you have better memories of the place. Guess that I was always mentally comparing it to Wrigley, and not many parks can stand up well to that comparison.
The new park is not really an improvement, and that upper deck is just crazy. Reinsdorf's way of showing how much he loves his fans.

[Solair Wright]

The worst currently active ballpark is probably Oakland's stadium. It just feels like it's too wide, and even worse - it's a multi-purpose monstrosity. All-time? Olympic Stadium, bar none. The stadium wasn't well taken care of, and the roof at one time wouldn't open! Shea Stadium wasn't well taken care of either, and it's got nothing on the Polo Grounds. NOTHING. It's a decent stadium, and that's what I have to say about Shea.

Tiger Stadium was not bad, and I believe it could've gone 15-25 extra years if it were renovated than building Comerica Park. The stadium had a lot of novelty in it, but now it's going to be destroyed. Now the only baseball stadium in Detroit will be the "Bank" ballpark. Quick analysis: did Darrell Evans or any of the 1984 World Series team ever play in Comerica? Nope. I miss old-time ballparks that are novelties, like Fenway and Wrigley.

[Doug Miller]

I didn't think Oakland was that bad -- I haven't been since they covered the upper decks (that I think makes it look a lot better). A park I'm not a big fan of is Anaheim's. It feels too "fake". Sure, they spruced up the outfield with a big rock and water feature 10 years back -- but it's fake and out of place for the area. Coors Field, the outfield feature makes sense, but in Anaheim it just looks like they're trying to hard to cover where a bunch of empty seats used to be. Not only that, but the interior of Angel Stadium is awful, cramped, and dark. You can tell they tried hard, but it just doesn't work for me.

Doug

[hellborn]

Most of the ballparks that I had been to and really hated are not in use anymore...Astrodome, Old Comiskey, County, Arlington Stadium, Olympic. I guess the worst one I've been to that's in use now is New Comiskey. I haven't been to the HH Dome, I'm willing to bet that I wouldn't like it. Colisseum I thought was OK for some reason, Shea wasn't too bad (good fan energy), and I like the new parks I've been in.
Olympic was probably worse than the Dome, guess it's the worst ML park I've been to.

[DevilRays1969]

The worst major league park that I've been to is old Atlanta-Fulton County, hands down. It was one of those circular multipurpose stadiums so alot of seats were a loooong way from the field (and it was WORSE for football believe it or not!!). Not to mention it wasn't kept up very well in its later years and it smelled. RFK seems very similar although I won't pass judgement on it since I've never been.

Worst minor league park I've been to....not counting spring training, I'd say Privateer Park in New Orleans (first home of the N.O. Zephyrs). College ballpark, all aluminum bleachers, hardly any facilities. Granted, this was only their temporary home until their permanent ballpark was built in about 1997.

Worst spring training ballpark....I don't know why, but I just plain don't like Roger Dean Stadium in Jupiter, FL and Bright House Networks Field in Clearwater, FL. Both brand new ballparks opened in the last 2-3 years. Overpriced, hot, no covered seats. I would even rate the old, run down ballparks such as Ft. Lauderdale Stadium higher.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The worst major league park that I've been to is old Atlanta-Fulton County, hands down. It was one of those circular multipurpose stadiums so alot of seats were a loooong way from the field (and it was WORSE for football believe it or not!!). Not to mention it wasn't kept up very well in its later years and it smelled. RFK seems very similar although I won't pass judgement on it since I've never been.

Worst minor league park I've been to....not counting spring training, I'd say Privateer Park in New Orleans (first home of the N.O. Zephyrs). College ballpark, all aluminum bleachers, hardly any facilities. Granted, this was only their temporary home until their permanent ballpark was built in about 1997.

Worst spring training ballpark....I don't know why, but I just plain don't like Roger Dean Stadium in Jupiter, FL and Bright House Networks Field in Clearwater, FL. Both brand new ballparks opened in the last 2-3 years. Overpriced, hot, no covered seats. I would even rate the old, run down ballparks such as Ft. Lauderdale Stadium higher.

I'm actually taking in a game in Ft. Lauderdale in a few weeks. That bad, eh?

[DevilRays1969]

I'm actually taking in a game in Ft. Lauderdale in a few weeks. That bad, eh?

It's old and not in the best of shape. The concourse (what there is of it) is at ground level but all the entries are at mid level. So you have to hike up a bunch of steps to get to the tunnel to your section, even if you're in the field boxes. Not the best access IMO. Also the O's want a new stadium/spring training facility so it seems the city hasn't put much $$$ into upkeep so needless to say it looks pretty shabby.

One recommendation: I didn't sit there but it seems that the bleachers have their own separate entrance and aren't connected to the grandstand so you might not want to sit there unless you're on a budget. Grandstand reserved (or whatever they call it)would probably be your best bet--they're under cover and you can move down to the box seats if it's not a big crowd.

[Captain Cold Nose]

It's old and not in the best of shape. The concourse (what there is of it) is at ground level but all the entries are at mid level. So you have to hike up a bunch of steps to get to the tunnel to your section, even if you're in the field boxes. Not the best access IMO. Also the O's want a new stadium/spring training facility so it seems the city hasn't put much $$$ into upkeep so needless to say it looks pretty shabby.

One recommendation: I didn't sit there but it seems that the bleachers have their own separate entrance and aren't connected to the grandstand so you might not want to sit there unless you're on a budget. Grandstand reserved (or whatever they call it)would probably be your best bet--they're under cover and you can move down to the box seats if it's not a big crowd.
I believe that's where our seats are, we already got the tickets. Thanks for the tip, though. In all my years of going to Florida, I've never taken in a spring training game. Mostly because I'm usually not there at the time.

[DevilRays1969]

I believe that's where our seats are, we already got the tickets. Thanks for the tip, though. In all my years of going to Florida, I've never taken in a spring training game. Mostly because I'm usually not there at the time.

If you get a chance you've got to go to Dodgertown in Vero Beach. It's about 100 miles north of Ft. Lauderdale--seats so close to the action you could practically reach out and touch the players--and no dugouts either. Players sit on metal benches right in front of the grandstands. Last time I went in about '03 I was behind the Expos bench right behind Frank Robinson.

[MetsFan11368]

There is no such thing as the worst park in baseball. If you ask the fans of the team that plays in your version of the worst ballpark, they'll tell you that you're full of it.

[PeteU]

One recommendation: I didn't sit there but it seems that the bleachers have their own separate entrance and aren't connected to the grandstand so you might not want to sit there unless you're on a budget.

Actually, if you are more into access than comfort, the bleachers at Fort Lauderdale are great if you want to get autographs and up close and personal to the players. There's a standing room area between the bleachers and the fence down the foul line where you can literally stand right behind the players sitting on the bullpen benches and feel like one of the team.

Of course, you might also want to bring your sunscreen, because they are bleachers.

[Coachsmallhead]

Fortunately the three parks that I think were the worst are no longer being used:

The Kingdome
Jack Murphy
Olympic Stadium

While some may argue that the new era of ballparks are simply Camden Yard knock-offs, I would say that the new ballparks are a breath of fresh air....Comerica included

[Captain Cold Nose]

If you get a chance you've got to go to Dodgertown in Vero Beach. It's about 100 miles north of Ft. Lauderdale--seats so close to the action you could practically reach out and touch the players--and no dugouts either. Players sit on metal benches right in front of the grandstands. Last time I went in about '03 I was behind the Expos bench right behind Frank Robinson.
I'll be staying in Delray Beach, so Dodgertown is closer than that, even. :D It certainly is an option I am considering.

[Brad MCdonald]

The Kingdome was not a great place to watch baseball , but it was where I have some nostalgia because its where I first saw a MLB game in 1977 when I was 13.It was awful going to games when it was empty, but when it was full (like it was when I took my son to his first game vs the Yankees in 1997) it was awesome.Dont get me wrong, I love Safeco but you always have certain feelings about "firsts". Having said the Olympic Stadium was just terrible, your so removed from the game(even with lower level seats on the 3rd baseline). But I'm told by those that went in the Expos Hey Day 1979-1983 that it was rocking when it was full.

[DodgerDrei]

I'd have to say US Cell in Chicago. This was back in 2004, and I realize changes have been made, so if I do make a return, I may have a different POV. But as for why I put the Cell as my worst ballpark ever visited....Even with the changes, the upper deck seemed like they were in another county, fan movement is limited ( Yes, I realize it's the same at Dodger Stadium , but that's because of the design of the stadium ), each level here was barricaded so any chance of you wandering the concourses to take pictures at various points are pretty much none. The stadium was just to huge. On a positive note, the 17,000 plus fans who were there that night against the Phillies were definately a lot louder and boisterous than the folks at sold-out Wrigley earlier in the day, where I saw the Cubs take on the rival Cardinals. No lovable loser attitude here. I can only imagine that the folks who do fill up the seats at the Cell these days are the Johnny Come Lately's like the one's in Anaheim after 2002.

[GotMelk?]

Dolphin Stadium
The Trop
Shea

[Junior Bull]

The Trop. It is the worst place to watch a game. Doesn't even feel like baseball.

[duckydps]

The worst major league park that I've been to is old Atlanta-Fulton County, hands down. It was one of those circular multipurpose stadiums so alot of seats were a loooong way from the field (and it was WORSE for football believe it or not!!). Not to mention it wasn't kept up very well in its later years and it smelled. RFK seems very similar although I won't pass judgement on it since I've never been.

Worst minor league park I've been to....not counting spring training, I'd say Privateer Park in New Orleans (first home of the N.O. Zephyrs). College ballpark, all aluminum bleachers, hardly any facilities. Granted, this was only their temporary home until their permanent ballpark was built in about 1997.

Worst spring training ballpark....I don't know why, but I just plain don't like Roger Dean Stadium in Jupiter, FL and Bright House Networks Field in Clearwater, FL. Both brand new ballparks opened in the last 2-3 years. Overpriced, hot, no covered seats. I would even rate the old, run down ballparks such as Ft. Lauderdale Stadium higher.

I agree, football in AFCS was terrible, but baseball wasn't so bad....

[Solair Wright]

The worst currently active ballpark is probably Oakland's stadium. It just feels like it's too wide, and even worse - it's a multi-purpose monstrosity.

My reason on why I dislike this ballpark is because of Al Davis. The view outside of outside of the stadium, is now blocked by a new section of seats, most exclusively for football. It's a dump because of him. It's annoying when the huge section of seats are mostly used for football, and not all ballparks are bad because of the outfield view is blocked.

Here are other bad ballparks: Tropicana Field and the Metrodome are bad baseball parks, to put it kindly. The Metrodome, however, from what I have heard, is a great football stadium. My father works with people in Pittsburgh, and they disliked Three Rivers Stadium for baseball, but for football, it was much better.

*confused*

[trueblue37]

RFK stadium is a dump!
bout time for a new stadium =D

[west coast orange and black]

oakland has a cold (in appearance), noisy place to play.
awful. just awful.

[2Chance]

Probably the only ballpark I didn't like was the Cell. (It didn't help that there was a traffic jam, which seemed pretty normal to the cops & locals, stranding us in the worst neighborhood in the Midwest for two hours.) When we got there the seats were fairly decent, only 7 rows from the right fielder. Still, it seemed so far away that I felt sorry for anyone whose seats were any further back, much less those who had upper deck seats. Some of those seats are so far away it would be better to be home (or in my case a hotel room!), listening on the radio.

Re: the Oakland Mausoleum: a friend of mine went there and actually liked it! The reason might be obvious: Nobody else does, so he was able to drive in, (it's right off the highway), pick up a couple of good tickets and watch the game. And Oakland has been fielding competitive teams for a while, so that was nice for him.

One place that's underrated in my neck of the woods is Cooper Stadium in downtown Columbus, Ohio. The Boss said it was a dump and wanted it torn down, but I thought it was a nice place to see a game. Nothing really fancy about it, no new luxury boxes, just green grass and baseball. (Since Steinbrenner didn't like it, they just let him move out and the Nats have moved in.)

[StanTheMan]

I've driven by Cooper stadium several times on my way to Columbus Crew Stadium.

Now, if I only just got out of my car once and walked around the empty stadium, I would have seen enough to call it the worst ballpark in America by using Donald's requirements.

Seriously Donald.... have you ever been INSIDE Comerica during a ballgame? To not have done so, (and from what I can recall, you have never been inside, just visited the exterior while at lunch LOL) but to still call the park a dump, much less the worst in baseball is akin to the following....

I met a man yesterday and I did not like his shoes (shirt, haircut, etc). He is oficially the dumbest man in America!!

You loved Tiger Stadium, we get it.... we REALLY do.... but. you are allowed to move on, you know.

[Captain Cold Nose]

After watching a game there a couple days ago, I have to concur with DevilRays1969, the stadium in Ft. Lauderdale wasn't the best. The small concourse area made it difficult to maneuver without bumping into people. And the seats weren't the most comfortable. I'm not sure why the people behind us thought we'd be honored to have their feet all over our seats every time we even tried to get up, but that happens everywhere.
A ballgame is a ballgame and I'd go back on my annual visit. But I'd check out Roger Dean in Jupiter first. Any opinons about that one?

[knix]

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As a die-hard Mets fan, I agree with the above pic.

Obsolete, symetrical, vanilla, planes overhead from LGA. Dump

If Veteran's Stadium or 3 Rivers were still around, they would be 1/2, but with them gone, Shea moves to the top of the heap, followed closesly by the Trop. What a dump that place is, ball pinballing off the catwalks...please.

Citi field can't come quick enough.

[DevilRays1969]

After watching a game there a couple days ago, I have to concur with DevilRays1969, the stadium in Ft. Lauderdale wasn't the best. The small concourse area made it difficult to maneuver without bumping into people. And the seats weren't the most comfortable. I'm not sure why the people behind us thought we'd be honored to have their feet all over our seats every time we even tried to get up, but that happens everywhere.
A ballgame is a ballgame and I'd go back on my annual visit. But I'd check out Roger Dean in Jupiter first. Any opinons about that one?

I didn't care for Roger Dean. Granted it was at 1:00, it was 90 degrees and there was no shade whatsoever (no roof, nothing). Also nothing nearby--it's in the middle of a residential golf course development. Eat before you get there because in '04 when I went there was nothing off 95, no Bob Evans, fast food, gas stations with a Subway inside, nothing. I actually liked Tradition Field (Mets) in Port St. Lucie alot more. Older ballpark (built in the 80's) but well kept up and renovated recently. And I already mentioned Dodgertown--go now b/c they're moving to Arizona in '09.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I didn't care for Roger Dean. Granted it was at 1:00, it was 90 degrees and there was no shade whatsoever (no roof, nothing). Also nothing nearby--it's in the middle of a residential golf course development. Eat before you get there because in '04 when I went there was nothing off 95, no Bob Evans, fast food, gas stations with a Subway inside, nothing. I actually liked Tradition Field (Mets) in Port St. Lucie alot more. Older ballpark (built in the 80's) but well kept up and renovated recently. And I already mentioned Dodgertown--go now b/c they're moving to Arizona in '09.
I wanted to go to Dodgertown, but I couldn't convince my 65-year-old Dad to bypass the closer locations. I have a whole year to work on it now. ;)

Too bad West Palm is now vacant. :ughh

[riverfrontier]

2Chance, I've also been to Cooper Stadium. Drew Henson played for the Clippers at the time, and made two throwing errors from third base. The local fans seemed to have had enough, and there was a lot of talk that he and the awkward counter spin that he put on his throws should head back to football, where the gyro-ball was not such an oddity. I just thought he had bad timing.

Captain, nice to see you back from Spring Training. As I get some spring training games on TV here, and the crowds are small, I was hoping to spot you. Weren't you the guy standing in the aisle directly behind home plate, talking on your cellphone and waving at the center field camera until the ushers kicked you out? If so, you look tanned and refreshed, although I must say that it might be better to wear the tails of your shirt outside your pants next time, unless you're particularly proud of that 'Poison' belt buckle.

StanTheMan, I didn't realize it was you I had met the other day, but I took your advice and threw out the bowling shoes. You were right after all. A nice wing-tip goes much better with any plaid-on-plaid ensemble, and the shirt was old anyway. I'm putting my foot down about the haircut, though. Benjamin Franklin was an incredibly influential statesman, and I'm certain he would also see imitation as a form of flattery.

As for the worst park in baseball, I don't know. So many don't have fireworks or Ferris wheels that I haven't made up my mind yet.

[Captain Cold Nose]

2Chance, I've also been to Cooper Stadium. Drew Henson played for the Clippers at the time, and made two throwing errors from third base. The local fans seemed to have had enough, and there was a lot of talk that he and the awkward counter spin that he put on his throws should head back to football, where the gyro-ball was not such an oddity. I just thought he had bad timing.

Captain, nice to see you back from Spring Training. As I get some spring training games on TV here, and the crowds are small, I was hoping to spot you. Weren't you the guy standing in the aisle directly behind home plate, talking on your cellphone and waving at the center field camera until the ushers kicked you out? If so, you look tanned and refreshed, although I must say that it might be better to wear the tails of your shirt outside your pants next time, unless you're particularly proud of that 'Poison' belt buckle.

StanTheMan, I didn't realize it was you I had met the other day, but I took your advice and threw out the bowling shoes. You were right after all. A nice wing-tip goes much better with any plaid-on-plaid ensemble, and the shirt was old anyway. I'm putting my foot down about the haircut, though. Benjamin Franklin was an incredibly influential statesman, and I'm certain he would also see imitation as a form of flattery.

As for the worst park in baseball, I don't know. So many don't have fireworks or Ferris wheels that I haven't made up my mind yet.
The ushers didn't kick me out. They took me to the clubhouse to buy me a beer, congratulating me on my Poison belt buckle. That drives them wild in Ft. Lauderdale.

[riverfrontier]

So it WAS you. What's the atmosphere of the clubhouse like? Pleasing and familiar? Foreign and exotic? Christian or Pagan? How would you rank these three assaults on your senses, on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being ?, and ten being !: The free beer. The sight of naked men mixed with the scent of strawberry shampoo. Being sunburned to blisters and three sheets to the wind before five o'clock on a working day.

[Captain Cold Nose]

So it WAS you. What's the atmosphere of the clubhouse like? Pleasing and familiar? Foreign and exotic? Christian or Pagan? How would you rank these three assaults on your senses, on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being ?, and ten being !: The free beer. The sight of naked men mixed with the scent of strawberry shampoo. Being sunburned to blisters and three sheets to the wind before five o'clock on a working day.
Laid back, it's spring training. My senses were not assaulted, imagine high school gym class.
Next year, it's on to the better stadiums, thanks to DevilRays. It's too bad Lakeland is so far away or I'd be able to catch my Tigers. They don't head East too often in March.
I remember Ned Skeldon in Toledo, vaguely. I wasn't extremely impressed.

[riverfrontier]

I didn't know that you didn't see the Tigers. I hope you at least got to see the Reds, or an alligator, or an 'Ohmigod, ohmigod, did you see her ***? Send me to hell, and forward my mail.'
Did you see any of the big four this time of year in Florida?

[Captain Cold Nose]

I didn't know that you didn't see the Tigers. I hope you at least got to see the Reds, or an alligator, or an 'Ohmigod, ohmigod, did you see her ***? Send me to hell, and forward my mail.'
Did you see any of the big four this time of year in Florida?
Twins-Orioles. The Reds, like the Tigers, are on the opposite coast. And I did see a few alligators. And I spent an afternoon in South Beach.

[riverfrontier]

Glad you got to work out the kinks. Alligators are good that way. Anyway, to turn this thread back to the normal, I would have to say Camden Yards is the worst stadium in baseball. I've never been there, but they seem to be the seminal starting point for everything else that's followed. ...'Yards of Languor at Chesapeake Skunk & Rot of Oriole creed mellow. You've bellowed, now desist. CEASE, and desire a better yard...with, y'know, some motorcycle gangs or similar roughnecks. Allan Ginsberg.

[DevilRays1969]

Glad you got to work out the kinks. Alligators are good that way. Anyway, to turn this thread back to the normal, I would have to say Camden Yards is the worst stadium in baseball. I've never been there, but they seem to be the seminal starting point for everything else that's followed. ...'Yards of Languor at Chesapeake Skunk & Rot of Oriole creed mellow. You've bellowed, now desist. CEASE, and desire a better yard...with, y'know, some motorcycle gangs or similar roughnecks. Allan Ginsberg.

What's wrong w/ Camden Yards? I think it's a classic ballpark. Of all the new "retro" ballparks, the ones I don't like are the ones with all kinds of gimmicks taken out of other older ballparks and copycat red brick ballparks with green seats. Arlington seems to be the worst offender.

[PeteU]

Glad you got to work out the kinks. Alligators are good that way. Anyway, to turn this thread back to the normal, I would have to say Camden Yards is the worst stadium in baseball. I've never been there, but they seem to be the seminal starting point for everything else that's followed. ...'Yards of Languor at Chesapeake Skunk & Rot of Oriole creed mellow. You've bellowed, now desist. CEASE, and desire a better yard...with, y'know, some motorcycle gangs or similar roughnecks. Allan Ginsberg.

It's not Camden Yards' fault that every team afterwards wanted to copy its product. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. In 1992, no one had ever seen anything like it and people were rightfully impressed.

Don't forget, baseball fans had been cursed with two decades of astroturf and souless concrete donuts. And say what you want about the Camden clones, but I'll take them any day over the concrete donuts.

Besides, given the warehouse, the downtown view, the connection with Babe Ruth, OPACY is one of the best, certainly not one of the worst.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

It's not Camden Yards' fault that every team afterwards wanted to copy its product. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. In 1992, no one had ever seen anything like it and people were rightfully impressed.

Don't forget, baseball fans had been cursed with two decades of astroturf and souless concrete donuts. And say what you want about the Camden clones, but I'll take them any day over the concrete donuts.

Besides, given the warehouse, the downtown view, the connection with Babe Ruth, OPACY is one of the best, certainly not one of the worst.
Well there are alot of people out here that dont want to see all of these camden yard stadium clones.cant they come up with some new and original ideas instead of just copying the same idea over and over.

[riverfrontier]

You may be right. Oriole Park at Camden Yards may be a pretty good park, and though I've never been there, most people would say they offer a good selection of grilled meat. Sportsman's Park in the late twenties offered the 'Lindy Log', named for Charles Linbergh, and his 'Spirit of St. Louis' success. Like the aviator himself, it was a foot long red hot, and it sold like hot cakes. Four years later, they introduced a smaller sized hot dog for children called 'Lindy Baby Log', and the untimely release, I believe, contributed greatly to the failure of the Browns in St. Louis. They relocated, and became the Baltimore Orioles of Oriole Park at Camden Yards.
I don't believe it's the worst park in baseball today. Sorry to have mislead you. I just believe Allen Ginsberg said it best in 'Scowl'...

They feinted in orange and black, and feint
STILL, they feint and I faint...BLACK
Saintly heathens, muscle upon muscle
up on the drive of a man on the line
line drive, man, heads up
roses ARE RED
and
violet'S justICE blue

This was the extent of his much anticipated follow-up to 'Howl', and I admit he may have lost his edge there in the end. The poem was started at the end of 1996 and was never finished. On his deathbed, he called over William Burroughs, who would live just a few more months, and said "****,(cough). Bill, ****, what the hell is with this Brady Armstrong guy? How can he hit 50 home runs and still be ***? What kind of banbox is that?" To which Burroughs replied "****, man, the word is 'bandbox', and **** if I know. (cough). Do you still think 'Naked Lunch' lacked focus?"
"Make sure 'Ephesains, Philippians, Colossians, Hell's Angels' sees print", said Ginsberg with his last breath, as Burroughs slinked out of the room with the original copy of 'Scowl'.

I'm not sure if the Camden Yards vendors still offer the 'Lindy Baby Log' as an 'authentic' replica of the past, as the history of it has nothing to do with Baltimore, but it could be revived, and there might be a buck or two in it for somebody. Anyway, that's my two cents.

[PeteU]

Well there are alot of people out here that dont want to see all of these camden yard stadium clones.cant they come up with some new and original ideas instead of just copying the same idea over and over.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that real grass/baseball-only/asymentrical dimensions/uneven fence heights etc. is a welcome change from Astroturf/circular grandstands/multipurpose/symmetrical dimensions/same fence height pole-to-pole, etc.

Not taking away from the history and memories of those parks, but architectually I don't know if there was anything worse in baseball than Riverfront/Three Rivers/Busch II/Veterans/Fulton-County/RFK Stadiums. Tired as they may be, the Camden clones at least have some features that are better geared towards the sport.

[PeteU]

I'm not sure if the Camden Yards vendors still offer the 'Lindy Baby Log' as an 'authentic' replica of the past, as the history of it has nothing to do with Baltimore, but it could be revived, and there might be a buck or two in it for somebody. Anyway, that's my two cents.

Probably not in Balmer. You're talking about a city that still shudders and grinds its teeth when the words "Indianapolis" are joined with "Colts" and a city that was pretty quick to demand the NFL Browns name be changed to "Ravens" upon that team making its move to town. So there's not much for nostalgia of the franchise's former history to be spoken of in Charm City. But maybe perhaps in Busch III?

[runningshoes]

The Trop. It is the worst place to watch a game. Doesn't even feel like baseball.

Skydome probably isn't too far behind.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Skydome probably isn't too far behind.Watch it!

Personally, I enjoy the games at SkyDome. On a nice sunny day with the roof open, it has a good atmosphere and it's got decent ammenities. You can see the CN Tower too! From where I generally sit, there are washrooms within 25 seconds of my seat, and an ice cream stand too. The tickets for these seats (OF right behind the bullpens) are $15-$25 depending on the team that day, and you can bring in your own peanuts and water. Nothing wrong with that.

And on a rainy (or snowy) day, well. Would you rather watch the game under the roof, or not watch it at all?

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

As a die-hard Mets fan, I agree with the above pic.

Obsolete, symetrical, vanilla, planes overhead from LGA. Dump

If Veteran's Stadium or 3 Rivers were still around, they would be 1/2, but with them gone, Shea moves to the top of the heap, followed closesly by the Trop. What a dump that place is, ball pinballing off the catwalks...please.

Citi field can't come quick enough.
I agree shea stadium is a dump along side with comerica park in detroit. i cant wait for the day that shea stadium comes down.

[MDog795]

Candlestick Park was one of the worst fields for both fans and players. The wind in that park robbed Willie Mays of many home runs. I don't like Shea Stadium that much. I hope Citi field finally gives the Mets a good stadium to forward to.

[Solair Wright]

i cant wait for the day that shea stadium comes down.

When I went to Shea Stadium last June, I was disappointed. Loud jets flying from/to LaGuardia Airport, crumbling walls, unpainted walls, and it's probably the tallest MLB park. It's not exactly a dump, but it's obvious that it is/was suffering from neglect. Hopefully CitiField can change that problem.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Candlestick Park was one of the worst fields for both fans and players. The wind in that park robbed Willie Mays of many home runs. I don't like Shea Stadium that much. I hope Citi field finally gives the Mets a good stadium to forward to.
The New York Mets have not had a real stadium since 1962 and 1963 when they played at the historic Polo Grounds. and the day that the wrecking ball hits shea stadium that will make up in a small way for that day in April of 1964 when they tore down the Polo Grounds.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Candlestick Park was one of the worst fields for both fans and players. The wind in that park robbed Willie Mays of many home runs. I don't like Shea Stadium that much. I hope Citi field finally gives the Mets a good stadium to forward to.
I still say that the giants when they moved to the west coast they should have expanded and stayed at Seals Stadium instead of building candlestick.

[skobabe8]

Old comiskey park was a great place to see a game. granted the stadium was not kept up like tiger stadium but i loved going to comiskey park. i was in the new one only 1 time for the old comiskey park auction in 1991.my friend payed for the ticket because i was refusing to pay to go into the new one.i never had a problem going to a game and sitting in front of the posts at tiger stadium and old comiskey park.i enjoyed sitting in the outfield corners at old comiskey park even since the posts obstructed some of the views.i hate the new comiskey park with a passion just like i hate comerica park. comiskey park could have lasted with more renovations but the owners were determined to build that new dump on the south side of chicago.

I'm new here and I've quickly come to one realization: your opinions are worthless.

I thought you were joking when you said Comerica and US Cellular suck, even though you haven't seen a game in either (I know you went to new Comiskey in '91 but its a completely different place today). Lesson learned!

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I'm new here and I've quickly come to one realization: your opinions are worthless.

I thought you were joking when you said Comerica and US Cellular suck, even though you haven't seen a game in either (I know you went to new Comiskey in '91 but its a completely different place today). Lesson learned!
Well all i will say is that you have the right to your opinion.old comiskey park was a great place to watch baseball.and i do know people who live in the chicago area and alot of fans have negative things to say about the new ballpark.the new stadium is a dump just like the new stadium in detroit.

[skobabe8]

Well all i will say is that you have the right to your opinion.old comiskey park was a great place to watch baseball.and i do know people who live in the chicago area and alot of fans have negative things to say about the new ballpark.the new stadium is a dump just like the new stadium in detroit.

I respect peoples opinions who have actually been there.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I respect peoples opinions who have actually been there.
Well like i have said i was at the new stadium in chicago in 1991 for a auction of items of the old comiskey park.and the new stadium in chicago stinks big time. and i do know people in chicago think the same.if you want to the like the stadium then thats your opinion.but there are alot of people out here that cant stand the new chicago ballpark. And as far as the old comiskey park you were 11 years old when the stadium closed. so i expect this kind of opinion from someone your age at the time of the stadiums closing.

[skobabe8]

Well like i have said i was at the new stadium in chicago in 1991 for a auction of items of the old comiskey park.and the new stadium in chicago stinks big time. and i do know people in chicago think the same.if you want to the like the stadium then thats your opinion.but there are alot of people out here that cant stand the new chicago ballpark. And as far as the old comiskey park you were 11 years old when the stadium closed. so i expect this kind of opinion from someone your age at the time of the stadiums closing.

Where did I ever say I didnt like Old Comiskey Park? I loved it, even though I was pretty young. And new Comiskey Park in '91 is a completely different place versus what it is today. Thats why I said you havent been there. I was upset about the name change when it happened. But without the US Cellular money, the renovations over the last few years never would have happened so I'm happy. Unfortunately, most people have an opinion formed about the place without ever seeing a game there. How can that be justified? It cant be. Did you even catch a game there in '91? If you were to go there this summer and see a game and tell me it stinks, at least I would respect your opinion.

Yes, I also know people in Chicago that think it stinks too. I also know people that think Wrigley stinks, Fenway stinks, and the Polo Grounds stunk.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Where did I ever say I didnt like Old Comiskey Park? I loved it, even though I was pretty young. And new Comiskey Park in '91 is a completely different place versus what it is today. Thats why I said you havent been there. I was upset about the name change when it happened. But without the US Cellular money, the renovations over the last few years never would have happened so I'm happy. Unfortunately, most people have an opinion formed about the place without ever seeing a game there. How can that be justified? It cant be. Did you even catch a game there in '91? If you were to go there this summer and see a game and tell me it stinks, at least I would respect your opinion.

Yes, I also know people in Chicago that think it stinks too. I also know people that think Wrigley stinks, Fenway stinks, and the Polo Grounds stunk.
The point is i was there in 1991. so what they took away a couple of rows in the upper deck to put a roof on it so people would feel like they were back across the street at old comiskey park.the white sox now know that many fans can stand the new park so they are trying to make it look like old comiskey park.and you have the right to dislike wrigley field, comiskey park, the polo grounds or anything you want to dislike.

[Solair Wright]

Shea Stadium is long overdue for a renovation, but it won't happen. The paint where I was at last year was all white. New Busch Stadium is eons better than Shea. Why my dad likes it so much is beyond me. Shea Stadium isn't a dump, it's just average. That's about it. People can say it's a dump, but the ballpark that will be better than Shea is Yankee Stadium.

Now that is a true baseball-only stadium. Yankee Stadium has a better fan environment, but please don't wear any Red Sox-related clothing in the bleachers. It's disturbing the peace, and being a pest. What is your reward? Escorted out of Yankee Stadium.

Does anyone remember "The Mistake on the Lake?" Cleveland Stadium, I heard how bad it was, and how bad was it? It was football only for 1994-1995, then it was demolished.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Shea Stadium is long overdue for a renovation, but it won't happen. The paint where I was at last year was all white. New Busch Stadium is eons better than Shea. Why my dad likes it so much is beyond me. Shea Stadium isn't a dump, it's just average. That's about it. People can say it's a dump, but the ballpark that will be better than Shea is Yankee Stadium.

Now that is a true baseball-only stadium. Yankee Stadium has a better fan environment, but please don't wear any Red Sox-related clothing in the bleachers. It's disturbing the peace, and being a pest. What is your reward? Escorted out of Yankee Stadium.

Does anyone remember "The Mistake on the Lake?" Cleveland Stadium, I heard how bad it was, and how bad was it? It was football only for 1994-1995, then it was demolished.
Cleveland stadium was not that bad of a stadium. granted when i was there for a cleveland vs chicago game they had around 20,000 fans and the stadium seemed empty.but the stadium seemed like that it was kept up and i did like the stadium. i would have liked to have been there for a football game.

[skobabe8]

The point is i was there in 1991. so what they took away a couple of rows in the upper deck to put a roof on it so people would feel like they were back across the street at old comiskey park.the white sox now know that many fans can stand the new park so they are trying to make it look like old comiskey park.and you have the right to dislike wrigley field, comiskey park, the polo grounds or anything you want to dislike.

For a game? I dont think so.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

For a game? I dont think so.
I was at the damm stadium in 1991. i dont like the stadium. so drop it.

[jays632]

I don't like Baltimore, I changed planes there once on the way to Florida, those 30 minutes in the airport were awful, clearly a horrible city that nobody should like, it should be wiped from the earth.

I've never been to a ballpark for a game that I haven't liked, and I treat going to the Skydome like a religious experience.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I don't like Baltimore, I changed planes there once on the way to Florida, those 30 minutes in the airport were awful, clearly a horrible city that nobody should like, it should be wiped from the earth.

I've never been to a ballpark for a game that I haven't liked, and I treat going to the Skydome like a religious experience.
I rather liked the old exhibition stadium better than the skydome.i have been to the skydome for a tour years ago.i use to live in toronto from 1961 to 1969 and still have family there.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I've never been to a ballpark for a game that I haven't liked, and I treat going to the Skydome like a religious experience.Amen.

Good atmosphere, accesible location and lax regulations on what you can bring in (any (non-alcoholic) liquids less than 600 mL and basically any food) give me everything I need. God bless the Skydome :D!

[FLAtwinsFan]

I gotta say Tropicana... Its tampa, good call on making it indoors.

Its an eyesore, balls can hit the catwalks. Its gross, just a terrible stadium.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Its tampa, good call on making it indoors.I don't disagree that it's an ugly stadium. But from what I understand, it would be unbearable to be outside in Tampa in July & August. Same thing with Houston and Arizona.

[PeteU]

I don't like Baltimore, I changed planes there once on the way to Florida, those 30 minutes in the airport were awful, clearly a horrible city that nobody should like, it should be wiped from the earth.



I trust you are being sarcastic there. It's Charm City, how could you not like it? :) (Sorry, being 40 miles north of the nation's capital and being treated as if it is a suburb of that place instead of its own city makes Baltimorians a little defensive about their city. :) )

Of course, if cities are to be judged by their airports you are stuck in layovers at, then Atlanta must be the ninth circle of hell....

[skobabe8]

I was at the damm stadium in 1991. i dont like the stadium. so drop it.

Its not the stadium you dont like. Its the fact that it replaced something special. Same in Detroit. Those ballparks never had a chance with you in the first place. Can you at least admit that much?

[Knick9]

I gotta say Tropicana... Its tampa, good call on making it indoors.

Its an eyesore, balls can hit the catwalks. Its gross, just a terrible stadium.

I wonder how long it will take for the team to move out of there? Tropicana Field feels like going back to the 90's in a bad way. I say forget about the long lease, pay it off, rename the team and make a new stadium/relocate. Problem solved. ;)

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

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Does anyone remember "The Mistake on the Lake?" Cleveland Stadium, I heard how bad it was, and how bad was it? It was football only for 1994-1995, then it was demolished.
Cleveland stadium was not as bad as some people say it was. this photo shows the stadium during its construction.

[Solair Wright]

To be honest, I have never been to Cleveland Stadium, but I heard people say how bad it was. If you want a disappointing stadium, look no further to Shea Stadium. It's not bad, but it is very disappointing stadium. Mets fans hail it as a great stadium for how long it's been there for, I think that it's just mediocre at best.

[jrh31584]

Cleveland stadium was not as bad as some people say it was. this photo shows the stadium during its construction.

Biggest problem there was the fact that for most of the games throughout its use for the Indians, there were at least 50-60,000 empty seats. That sort of thing takes away from a park's appeal

[Danielh41]

Out of the 11 MLB parks I have visited, I'd have to say that Mile High Stadium was the worst. The best thing about it is that the Rockies only played in it for two years. The field dimensions in left field were ridiculous, the seating was uncomfortable, and depending on where you sat, you had to keep your neck turned toward the infield to see all the action. I went to a Bronco game there once, and it wasn't too bad, but for baseball, it was awful. But the Rockies sure packed them in there those two years...

[poopynumnum]

Dolphin stadium...

[jays632]

Dolphin stadium...

I still don't understand why the Marlins can't be like so many other teams and just refer to the place something different when its for a Marlins game like how Giants Stadium is the Meadowlands for the Jets, or Dodger Stadium got referred to as Chavez Ravine for the Angels.

[DevilRays1969]

I don't disagree that it's an ugly stadium. But from what I understand, it would be unbearable to be outside in Tampa in July & August. Same thing with Houston and Arizona.

I can think of worse places to be in July/August who have outdoor stadiums (Texas, St. Louis, Kansas City). The issue here is summer is our rainy season. We get thunderstorms practically every day from about 5:00-7:00. Also the rain storms are hit or miss...it could be pouring rain at my house and sunny at Tropicana Field 30 miles away...or vice-versa. You never know if it's going to be raining but at least with the roof you know there's going to be baseball.

[MSUlaxer27]

I still don't understand why the Marlins can't be like so many other teams and just refer to the place something different when its for a Marlins game like how Giants Stadium is the Meadowlands for the Jets, or Dodger Stadium got referred to as Chavez Ravine for the Angels.

Wayne Huizenga owns the stadium and I think the name issue is a poison pill he put into the leasing agreement after he sold the team. Sort of a way to "tweak" the Marlins. I don't believe they can call it anything else...with the other two examples the tenant is calling it by it geographical location, but the outside of the stadium still says Giants and Dodger. What geographic location could you otherwise refer to Dolphins Stadium?

[PeteU]

What geographic location could you otherwise refer to Dolphins Stadium?

Florida Turnpike Exit 2x. :)

If I had never been to Dolphins Stadium in person, I might tend to agree that it is amongst the worst stadiums in baseball. And true, during the regular season the crowds get rather sparse.

But after witnessing the 2003 postseason in person, it was a whole different ballgame, literally. 65,000 screaming, towel-waving fans. The main detraction of the place during the regular season--its immense size--becomes its greatest asset during the post-season. With no other ballpark currently having that size, it is an unparalled experience. Now, if only more fans were as fervant for the regular season. But hey, they've got a pretty talented and young team this year, so who knows...

[Xtreme]

Riverfront would have won hands down, but since it isn't around any more I would have to say the MetroDome.

[jays632]

Wayne Huizenga owns the stadium and I think the name issue is a poison pill he put into the leasing agreement after he sold the team. Sort of a way to "tweak" the Marlins. I don't believe they can call it anything else...with the other two examples the tenant is calling it by it geographical location, but the outside of the stadium still says Giants and Dodger. What geographic location could you otherwise refer to Dolphins Stadium?

Miami Gardens or even just unofficially call it Joe Robbie again. Either way it's just nitpicking.

Any park that's practically empty looks about 2 million times worse then it actually is to me, even if it's the Skydome. I love the place and always will but when it's a crowd of like 18,000 my opinion can suddenly become negative.

[DevilRays1969]

Miami Gardens or even just unofficially call it Joe Robbie again. Either way it's just nitpicking.

Any park that's practically empty looks about 2 million times worse then it actually is to me, even if it's the Skydome. I love the place and always will but when it's a crowd of like 18,000 my opinion can suddenly become negative.

I completely agree. The Metrodome would be at or near the top of my list for worst ballpark. BUT I remember when the Twins won the World Series in '87 and '91. Both times they were 4-0 at home, 0-3 away. Huge home field advantage because with a big crowd it gets really loud in there and that only adds to the atmosphere. I've been to plenty of games at Tropicana Field with fewer than 10,000 people there and it's downright depressing. It's like being inside a drab gray water storage tank with a bunch of blue seats. When they do draw big crowds it's because they're playing the Yankees or Red Sox so it's like Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park South.

[Jay1262]

I love all Baseball Stadiums, i have a total disdain for the multi-purpose stadiums. I feel that Comerica Park ranks right up there with all of the newer stadiums. I have been lucky enough to be part of a family with season tickets to both Tiger Stadium and Comerica Park. I hated to see the Tigers leave Tiger Stadium, but now, after a couple of hundred games at Comerica, I could not imagine going back to the old stadium. For the hardcore baseball fan (of which I consider myself), Tiger Stadium was the place to see a baseball game, for the average fan the place left a lot to be desired. Too many pole obstructed seats, too many seats where you could not track the flight of the ball to the outfield. Not enough restrooms especially for women, at the busier games it would take my wife 2-3 innings to use the restroom due to long lines and the narrow concourses. While I don't like the upper decks in any of the new stadiums, the lower bowl at the new parks are fine seats. I go to the park to watch the game, however, the family and fan friendly atmosphere at the newer parks works for me also. I have been to parks all around the country, I loved Tiger Stadium, still do, but IMHO her time had passed.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I love all Baseball Stadiums, i have a total disdain for the multi-purpose stadiums. I feel that Comerica Park ranks right up there with all of the newer stadiums. I have been lucky enough to be part of a family with season tickets to both Tiger Stadium and Comerica Park. I hated to see the Tigers leave Tiger Stadium, but now, after a couple of hundred games at Comerica, I could not imagine going back to the old stadium. For the hardcore baseball fan (of which I consider myself), Tiger Stadium was the place to see a baseball game, for the average fan the place left a lot to be desired. Too many pole obstructed seats, too many seats where you could not track the flight of the ball to the outfield. Not enough restrooms especially for women, at the busier games it would take my wife 2-3 innings to use the restroom due to long lines and the narrow concourses. While I don't like the upper decks in any of the new stadiums, the lower bowl at the new parks are fine seats. I go to the park to watch the game, however, the family and fan friendly atmosphere at the newer parks works for me also. I have been to parks all around the country, I loved Tiger Stadium, still do, but IMHO her time had passed.

Alot of people here in detroit cant stand comerica park including myself.there was nothing wrong with tiger stadium granted you have the right to your opinion but its in the minority here in detroit.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Alot of people here in detroit cant stand comerica park including myself.there was nothing wrong with tiger stadium granted you have the right to your opinion but its in the minority here in detroit.

I'd say 10% at best is not the minority. There are far less of you than you think.

[Jay1262]

I think that Comerica has won over a lot of people, especially since the 2006 Tigers made the World Series. Give it time, Comerica will make its own memories and history. Part of the memories and history of a good park is the product on the field.I have a friend from Pittsburgh that was upset over the Pirates leaving Three Rivers. Why? because he hung out there as a kid and he seen the Pirates win a couple of championships, Stargell, Clemente, etc. We all know that Three Rivers was as non-descript of a park as there ever was, yet, it was his memories that made Three Rivers great to him. As much as I loved Tiger Stadium, I love my Tigers MORE!!!!! I don't care if they played at the Silverdome, I would be there and cheering. :clapping

[SNAP]

I dont know of any opinion that isnt personal.

please no more biased personal opinions, thats not what this thread is about.

what I mean is, you don't give your park a chance cause your pissed about them ditching Tiger Stadium. I am going to know what you mean when the new Yankee Stadium comes, but im not going to say its crap.

But lets just end the subject right here, no more replying about Comerica or anything like that. I dont want this thread to be closed because we are getting off-topic.


I think my link was one of the worst ballparks that had pro baseball. What do you all think.

[SNAP]

It doesnt look like a place I'd even want to sneak in.

And it was 6$ to get in! Although it's looks like it would be very easy to sneak in.

[SNAP]

You wont have to wait much longer...You can see the new one going up beyond the outfield fence..........I was at the first game at Shea........It was outdated before it opened. The coolest thing about it that few people know is the box seat section is on wheels and can be moved toward the foul poles to accomdate football games........But it's still a dump.....no warmth or nostalgic feeling at all.......It was designed based on the look of the Roman Coliseum........which is still better looking than Shea.

QUOTE=POLO GROUNDS 1957;850564]I agree shea stadium is a dump along side with comerica park in detroit. i cant wait for the day that shea stadium comes down.[/QUOTE]

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I'd say 10% at best is not the minority. There are far less of you than you think.

Sorry Captain but there are alot more than the 10% of people that you think dislike comerica park out here in the detroit area.dont forget i was a member of the tiger stadium fan club.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Sorry Captain but there are alot more than the 10% of people that you think dislike comerica park out here in the detroit area.dont forget i was a member of the tiger stadium fan club.Think about your sample audience. Would people in a Tigers Stadium Fan Club say that they enjoy Comerica Park more?

Of course you'll be in the majority, as long as you surround yourself with people with the same views as you.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Think about your sample audience. Would people in a Tigers Stadium Fan Club say that they enjoy Comerica Park more?

Of course you'll be in the majority, as long as you surround yourself with people with the same views as you.

There are alot more people than members of the tiger stadium fan club that dislikes comerica park. and there are alot of detroit area people that could care less about the detroit tigers.most of the people who live in detroit care about football and basketball than the detroit tigers.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Sorry Captain but there are alot more than the 10% of people that you think dislike comerica park out here in the detroit area.dont forget i was a member of the tiger stadium fan club.

Yeah, a couple hundred in a metro area of a few million. Don't let your passion confuse you into blatant lies. You're very vocal, but a very small fraction of the population.

Not everyone is a sports fan or baseball fan, even, but that doesn't make them part of your cause. You speak for yourself and the couple hundred or so still stuck in the past left with the views you present. That's it.

[MSUlaxer27]

In 1999 just over 2 million fans attended at Tiger game (as can be expected in the last season at Tiger Stadium)) this was most since 1993 ( and the first time they topped 2 million since 1988 (93 was the last time since last year that they had a winning record) http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/DET/attend.shtml

However in 2000 they hit 2.4 million in the 1st year in Comerica Park (the third highest Tiger attendance ever afer the 2.7 who went in 1984 and the 2.5 million who went last year) Three of the top 5 average attendances in Tigers history have occurred in Comerica Park (This year is on pace to be number 5 but it is still early). Obviously more in Detroit care about Football and basketball (don't forget though Detroit's sports nickname is "Hockeytown") and the 2.5 million are in the "minority" of fans who hate Comerica Park.

Sit in your basement in a chair from a stadium you never went to, drink a Knick a listen to a replay of a game from 50 years ago. Tigers fans don't care and don't miss you.

[Danielh41]

I think that Comerica has won over a lot of people, especially since the 2006 Tigers made the World Series. Give it time, Comerica will make its own memories and history. Part of the memories and history of a good park is the product on the field.I have a friend from Pittsburgh that was upset over the Pirates leaving Three Rivers. Why? because he hung out there as a kid and he seen the Pirates win a couple of championships, Stargell, Clemente, etc. We all know that Three Rivers was as non-descript of a park as there ever was, yet, it was his memories that made Three Rivers great to him. As much as I loved Tiger Stadium, I love my Tigers MORE!!!!! I don't care if they played at the Silverdome, I would be there and cheering. :clapping


I can identify with your friend from Pittsburgh and his feelings about Three Rivers Stadium. The old Arlington Stadium was a run-down, former minor league park that was built in several different stages before and after the Senators became the Texas Rangers. Nothing about the place seemed major league, and yet I have some of my cherished memories there (like my first game, Nolan Ryan's 5000th strikeout, seeing President George Bush throw out the first pitch on Opening Day 1991, and Nolan's 7th no-hitter). So I just couldn't bear to call the place the worst ballpark I had ever been to, but when I compare it to the other parks just as a venue, it really is low on the scale...

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

In 1999 just over 2 million fans attended at Tiger game (as can be expected in the last season at Tiger Stadium)) this was most since 1993 ( and the first time they topped 2 million since 1988 (93 was the last time since last year that they had a winning record) http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/DET/attend.shtml

However in 2000 they hit 2.4 million in the 1st year in Comerica Park (the third highest Tiger attendance ever afer the 2.7 who went in 1984 and the 2.5 million who went last year) Three of the top 5 average attendances in Tigers history have occurred in Comerica Park (This year is on pace to be number 5 but it is still early). Obviously more in Detroit care about Football and basketball (don't forget though Detroit's sports nickname is "Hockeytown") and the 2.5 million are in the "minority" of fans who hate Comerica Park.

Sit in your basement in a chair from a stadium you never went to, drink a Knick a listen to a replay of a game from 50 years ago. Tigers fans don't care and don't miss you.

The people who go to these tiger games come from the suburbs as i said before the majority african american people who live in detroit dont care about the detroit tigers or its new stadium.they care about football and basketball. and as far as hockeytown how many detroit fans go to the games, the people who go to the hockey games are from the subburbs. and there are many more fans out there than you think that cant stand comerica park.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Yeah, a couple hundred in a metro area of a few million. Don't let your passion confuse you into blatant lies. You're very vocal, but a very small fraction of the population.

Not everyone is a sports fan or baseball fan, even, but that doesn't make them part of your cause. You speak for yourself and the couple hundred or so still stuck in the past left with the views you present. That's it.

You have the right to your opinion captain but not everyone has the same opinion that you do.

[Captain Cold Nose]

You have the right to your opinion captain but not everyone has the same opinion that you do.

And your opinion you're in the majority will always just be an opinion, because there isn't a shred of truth behind it to actually make it a fact. As far as I'm concerned your opinions on people liking or not liking the Tigers is nothing more than a sad, pathetic lie not even remotely rooted in reality. Do you honestly think you're the only one who is in or from the area? Back up those claims, Donald. You seem to think you speak for the area but have no basis to speak for anybody else. The few people left who share your view are needles in a large haystack.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

And your opinion you're in the majority will always just be an opinion, because there isn't a shred of truth behind it to actually make it a fact. As far as I'm concerned your opinions on people liking or not liking the Tigers is nothing more than a sad, pathetic lie not even remotely rooted in reality. Do you honestly think you're the only one who is in or from the area? Back up those claims, Donald. You seem to think you speak for the area but have no basis to speak for anybody else. The few people left who share your view are needles in a large haystack.

Hey captain this is a fact the people who go down to see the tiger games are from the subburbs. the metro detroit people dont care about the detroit tigers, they are into the detroit lions and detroit pistons.i live in detroit and see this all of the time, the kids are playing basketball and football not baseball.and i do live in southwest detroit not in the subburbs.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I just thank god that those cookie cutter stadiums of the 1960s and 1970s are gone. they were terrible.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Hey captain this is a fact the people who go down to see the tiger games are from the subburbs. the metro detroit people dont care about the detroit tigers, they are into the detroit lions and detroit pistons.i live in detroit and see this all of the time, the kids are playing basketball and football not baseball.and i do live in southwest detroit not in the subburbs.So the fans from the suburbs aren't on your side, and neither are the people from metro Detroit. Who else is with you in this Donald?

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

So the fans from the suburbs aren't on your side, and neither are the people from metro Detroit. Who else is with you in this Donald?

All i am saying is this. alot of the people that live in detroit dont care about the detroit tigers.they care about the detroit lions and detroit pistons.the people who go down to see those baseball games come from the subburbs.all you see in detroit are kids playing basketball and football.like i said in a early post alot of people who live in detroit dont care about the detroit tigers and comerica park.and i do live in detroit and see this every day.

[Seattle1]

You can see the new one going up beyond the outfield fence

I am watching the Braves-Mets game right now, and can see the construction whenever they show the outfield view.

[Solair Wright]

I just thank god that those cookie cutter stadiums of the 1960s and 1970s are gone. they were terrible.

Both Busch Stadiums weren't that bad of stadiums, especially the new one. I actually enjoyed going to their games. But a couple multi-purpose stadiums that won't be missed were Riverfront Stadium, Three Rivers Stadium and Veterans Stadium.

Busch Memorial Stadium was very good after 1996, when it got renovated, the bullpens were moved from the foul lines to the outfield, seats were removed, and the grass replaced AstroTurf. It almost looked like a new stadium, except it was the same Busch Memorial Stadium.

I also heard that Arlington Stadium wasn't that great of a stadium. Typical "foul-line bullpen" stadium, which automatically meant it's not a good stadium, with the exceptions of Wrigley Field and AT&T Park. Those two are actually one of the game's best stadiums. Here's a picture of Arlington Stadium:

http://baseballtrips.net/arl2.jpg

[SpiderFan]

Although the Skydome is an eyesore, the sightlines in the park are good, and it's true - with Canadian winters it's nice to have a retractable roof. I was there just a couple of weeks ago, and to be honest they have done what they can with the interior of the park to make it tolerable. At the same time, the atmosphere is lacking something that to me is truly a "baseball" experience. It's the new turf that tries to look and act like grass - but it ain't! The fact that even with the roof open a third of the facility is still covered, and all of the bloody flat, grey concrete! I'd mentioned to my girlfriend when we were there, if they did a renovation on the exterior, some brick work, and maybe used a brass finish as opposed to that egg-white on the roof, that it could actually be a beautiful facility. The SkyDome is a park that was caught between the brutal donuts of the 70's and 80's and the throwback stadiums that started popping up in the early 90's. I have a love hate relationship with the place - but it's still a dated piece of crap.

As for worst pro facility ever - a toss up between old Colt stadium in Houston, the Astrodome, all of the donut parks (Riverfront, 3 Rivers, Veterans, blah blah blah - and don't forget Olympic in Monreal! What a piece of crap!) Toronto gets the medal however, with the old EX. What the hell was that? This was a facility that wasn't a ballpark, it wasn't a football field, it wasn't a concert facility. And it was the home of a Major League baseball team for 11 years. The new Comiskey is baseball Shangri-la in comparison!

[Aa3rt]

I'll limit my comments to stadiums where I've actually seen a game played.

My absolute worst has to go to Baltimore's Memorial Stadium. While I'm generally a traditionialist when it comes to baseball stadiums, I'll remember Memorial Stadium, built in 1953, as the worst of the ones I've seen.

If one was seated in the lower deck, the upper deck obstructed your view of any but the shallowest of fly balls. The 3 foot diameter concrete support pillars obstructed many a seat and required xray vision if one were to properly a game. Not to mention the terrible lack of parking and the unsavory neighborhoods surrounding the stadium, make Memorial some of my least favorite baseball experiences.

I attended a game in Shea Stadium when it was first new, way back in 1964. I was in awe of the place. Of course, I was only 11 at the time and quite impressionable. However, 12 years later I was in the Coast Guard, stationed on a cutter homeported in NYC, and attended both Mets and Yankees games (while Yankee Stadium was being refurbished in 1974 & 75) at Shea. The stadium was becoming a little "threadbare" but still tolerable except for those *?!%$ airplanes constantly flying over on their way to/from JFK International Airport. Brilliant planning, putting that stadium in the flight path.

I also saw a couple of games at Toronto's Exhibition Stadium and didn't think the place was that bad, in fact, I really enjoyed myself. I will admit that the left field bleacher seats were somewhat obstructed by the outfield fence and another visit found our "box seats" in right field with first base far to our left. (R.I.P. Doug Ault) Given what they had to work with I think the Blue Jays did an admirable job. Probably much better than the LA Colesium that the Dodgers had to contend with their first years in LA.

EDIT:For those who never saw Exhibition Stadium, you can learn more about it here (http://www.ballparktour.com/Former_Toronto.html).

Pittsburgh's Forbes Field was pretty weary by the time I saw it in the late 1960's, but still had a lot more character than its replacement, Three Rivers Stadium.

Finally, for those who mentioned RFK Stadium, yes, it's old (45) and was the first of those detestable "multi-purpose" stadiums, but after 33 years without baseball, it sure looks good to me with baseball on the field and fans in the stands. If construction stays on schedule, the new stadium opens in 2008 so those of you who don't like RFK won't have to contend with it much longer.

[Solair Wright]

The problem with the "cookie-cutter" stadiums, they were usually multi-purpose monstrosities, and Busch Stadium was much better after the 1995 season. Riverfront Stadium, Three Rivers, Veterans Stadium, A-FC Stadium, and the other subpar multi-purpose arenas hardly handled well in baseball, but for football, they were great, with the exception of A-FC stadium.

That stadium was actually worse as a football field. Finally, all those stadiums I named...their replacements are probably one of the best in the game. Turner Field can be tricky to hit a home run, GABP and CBP are launching pads, and PNC is hailed as the best ballpark in baseball, yet 10,000-25,000 people go to the ballpark. :(

The killing blow to a once nice ballpark was when "Mount Davis" was built in Oakland-Almeda County Stadium. Today, it looks like a dump, and it was completely unnecessary to erect "Mount Davis" in my opinion.

[SpiderFan]

Granted, I'd mentioned a few parks where I never attended games... but really the only redeemable quality to the old EX was that the original grandstand was built in the 1870's. However, it stretched out awkawardly into center field... and the seats were brutal... the left over astro turf used for football games behind the right field wall looked like hell... the whole setup was awkard. The only seats with any shade were along the third base line (that old gandstand), the rest were in direct sunlight, and if my memory serves me correctly they used those long metal benches for seating, so when you'd go up to get a drink or go to the bathroom you'd come back and you could fry a steak on your seat. I was young when I was there, so my memories may not be entirely accurate, but I remember thinking the place was a piece of crap even then.
I have also been to Olympic stadium in Montreal a few times. That place was BRUTAL. NO atmosphere. Oddly, my favorite ballpark experience was at the old Cleveland Stadium, I was there to see the last 3 games the Tribe played there and had also been there a couple years before that. The first time I was there there were 12,000 fans tops and the place looked barren, I just remember soooo many empty seats and sound bouncing all over the place. My overall impression of the stadium was the size, it was MASSIVE! But those last three games were incredible, the stadium was packed, 68,000 plus fans... I feel fortunate to have been able to experience that. The issue with that park was it's capacity, it just seated way too many people for a baseball game - so even if 25,000 people come out to a game the place seemed empty. When it was full - man! - that was amazing!

[PeteU]

I'll limit my comments to stadiums where I've actually seen a game played.

My absolute worst has to go to Baltimore's Memorial Stadium. While I'm generally a traditionialist when it comes to baseball stadiums, I'll remember Memorial Stadium, built in 1953, as the worst of the ones I've seen.

If one was seated in the lower deck, the upper deck obstructed your view of any but the shallowest of fly balls. The 3 foot diameter concrete support pillars obstructed many a seat and required xray vision if one were to properly a game. Not to mention the terrible lack of parking and the unsavory neighborhoods surrounding the stadium, make Memorial some of my least favorite baseball experiences.




Really? You aren't just saying that because you are a Nationals fan and the bad blood lingering between Washington and Baltimore due to the absence of MLB and the NFL in each respective city?

Actually, obstructing support posts and limited parking notwithstanding,I found to be Memorial Stadium a great place for a game. It will never be revered like Ebbets Field, Wrigley or Fenway will be, but it had plenty of character that many parks lacked. What was always great was when they would show a shot at field level from behind home plate and you would look out and see the trees and rowhouses beyond the outfield. Add in the tomato patch in the right field corner and the cheering coming from Wild Bill Hagy in Section 34 of the upper deck, and it was one heck of a great place to catch a game.

What I liked most about Memorial was that it was not just an exit off the expressway like so many stadiums are. To get there, you had to leave the highways behind and drive through the side streets of the city until all of a sudden this great stadium rose up literally in the middle of a neighborhood. It was like a hidden treasure which you had to go through and experience the city itself. Some of the neighborhoods weren't that great as you mentioned, but actually Waverly where the park itself was pretty charming. My parents rented their first apartment two blocks from the stadium. Other than the crowd noise during games, they enjoyed the area a lot.

Memorial was never the best ballpark for baseball or the best stadium for football, but it was a pretty good stadium for both sports. The thing I guess is these are always subjective. I may be revolted by RFK Stadium but for you it is a perfectly fine place for a game. Same goes with you for Memorial Stadium.

Except the Los Angeles Coliseum. The L.A. Coliseum had to have been the worst ballpark for baseball in the history of the game. Most everyone can objectively agree on that, I'd think.

(By the way, I notice you are a La Plata man. I grew up on the east side of the Patuxent in Calvert County. As they call it, the land of pleasant living...)

[PJ-34]

I'd have to say Fenway, I heard it stinks, it always seems like there's a risk of you getting stabbed if you move, people say its antique but I say it's crap, one more baseball hits the green monster and the whole thing's gonna fall down, it showed Tomo Ohka walking through the stadium and every square inch of the wall was either dinted, the pain had been scraped off, and I saw some green splatters whatever the hell that was, Fenway has my vote for the worst stadium ever.

[skobabe8]

I'd have to say Fenway, I heard it stinks, it always seems like there's a risk of you getting stabbed if you move, people say its antique but I say it's crap, one more baseball hits the green monster and the whole thing's gonna fall down, it showed Tomo Ohka walking through the stadium and every square inch of the wall was either dinted, the pain had been scraped off, and I saw some green splatters whatever the hell that was, Fenway has my vote for the worst stadium ever.

Why is there a risk to get stabbed??

And how can you say its the worst if you've never been there??

[Sean O]

I'd have to say Fenway, I heard it stinks, it always seems like there's a risk of you getting stabbed if you move, people say its antique but I say it's crap, one more baseball hits the green monster and the whole thing's gonna fall down, it showed Tomo Ohka walking through the stadium and every square inch of the wall was either dinted, the pain had been scraped off, and I saw some green splatters whatever the hell that was, Fenway has my vote for the worst stadium ever.

So you haven't been there. Your opinion means nothing.

[nosoupforyou]

I would like to thank you all for the comments about Cellular Field. I am planning to go there either this season or next for a game with my wife, (we are trying to see all the parks but it's going to take a lonnnngggg time). And these comments are not making me look forward to going. But since it's on the list I have to go. Let me ask this, if you're coming from Detroit, do you drive and fight the traffic and attempt to find your way around the city, or do you fly and just take a cab or other means of transportation?

Not trying to thread hi-jack here, just looking for the best way to get around Chicago. We will also be going to Wrigley at the same time when we're there.

[bigwhite77]

every stadium whether its nice or not is always is in a dumpy part of town. I think at&t park is one of the nicest settings. but its still in a bad part of downtown. GO ANGELS!!!!!!angel stadium rules.

[sflnyc]

I'm bemused by someone saying Cleveland Stadium was one of the better places to watch a game.

Never watched a game in person (yes, I said that as it seems to be a prerequisite to comment on a park), but saw many Yankee games there on TV and seen countless pictures. The bleachers were miles away from the field (470 feet to center) with the home run fence some 60 feet in front of it. In fact the entire outfield seating area (bleachers and main grandstand) was separated from the playing field by 20-60 feet with a fence in front of it.

Let me say I have nothing against Cleveland Stadium and I it was always one of my favorites growing up because of the huge crowds that could attend a game there, but the same outfield seating situation existed at other places like Olympic Stadium and Exhibition Stadium, etc. and those places get ripped all the time. Why should Cleveland get a pass? Ever tried watching a baseball game from and the centerfield at Exhibition with the home run fence miles in front of you and the baseball game only a rumor?

Bear in mind that a large distance from home plate and the wall doesn't knock a stadium for me. Some work (Yankee Stadium Monument Park; Candlestick's LF with the fans running for balls), and some don't (LA Coliseum).

If I remember correctly (someone can correct me on this), no home run was ever hit into the centerfield bleachers at Cleveland Stadium.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I'm bemused by someone saying Cleveland Stadium was one of the better places to watch a game.

Never watched a game in person (yes, I said that as it seems to be a prerequisite to comment on a park), but saw many Yankee games there on TV and seen countless pictures. The bleachers were miles away from the field (470 feet to center) with the home run fence some 60 feet in front of it. In fact the entire outfield seating area (bleachers and main grandstand) was separated from the playing field by 20-60 feet with a fence in front of it.

Let me say I have nothing against Cleveland Stadium and I it was always one of my favorites growing up because of the huge crowds that could attend a game there, but the same outfield seating situation existed at other places like Olympic Stadium and Exhibition Stadium, etc. and those places get ripped all the time. Why should Cleveland get a pass? Ever tried watching a baseball game from and the centerfield at Exhibition with the home run fence miles in front of you and the baseball game only a rumor?

Bear in mind that a large distance from home plate and the wall doesn't knock a stadium for me. Some work (Yankee Stadium Monument Park; Candlestick's LF with the fans running for balls), and some don't (LA Coliseum).

If I remember correctly (someone can correct me on this), no home run was ever hit into the centerfield bleachers at Cleveland Stadium.
I enjoyed going to cleveland stadium to watch baseball. i wish i could have gone to see a football game there.there was nothing wrong with the stadium.

[StanTheMan]

I enjoyed going to cleveland stadium to watch baseball. i wish i could have gone to see a football game there.there was nothing wrong with the stadium.

I saw a few football games there.... and although there was nothing WRONG with it... there was nothing WONDERFUL about it either.

[Robbie_L]

The only other field I've been to (that I was old enough to remember) other than Skydome, was the one in Cleveland.

I hate the Skydome. Even when the roof is open, the turf, and giant semi-circle above centre field ruin the baseball atmosphere.

Plus, the wall is a as boring as can be. I like things like centre field in Fenway, where the ball can roll an extra 20 feet and a double turns into a triple.

[D6+]

Of the current ballparks I've been in, Shea Stadium has become the worst ballpark. To the point that I have no intentions of seeing another Mets game until they move next door into Citifield. Though the ballpark is much smaller than Shea Stadium, I much rather go to Keyspan Park in Brooklyn to watch the Mets NY-Penn League A Ball team play.


Regarding the two Baseball Stadiums in Detroit, I'm a fan of both. Tiger Stadium has so much tradition, both baseball and football. Every park of that ballpark was special. I'm disappointed that Tiger Stadium will be torn down.


As for Comerica Park, the only facet of the ballpark that I don't care for is the lower deck isn't vertical enough. Another words, it's difficult to see over the person seeing in front of you. This despite the fact that I'm tall ( 6' 3". ) On the other hand, the Lions home, Ford Field was build in such a way that even an average sized person can easily see over the person sitting in front of them.


One thing in particular I really like about Comerica Park is the amount of Tigers history that is present in the park. In the concourse area, they highlight each decade of Tigers history. The statues of Tigers greats, beyond the outfield, helps those in the ballpark and those walking by the ballpark on the way to Ford Field, connect with Tigers history. The overall flavor of Comerica Park is appealing to me.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Of the current ballparks I've been in, Shea Stadium has become the worst ballpark. To the point that I have no intentions of seeing another Mets game until they move next door into Citifield. Though the ballpark is much smaller than Shea Stadium, I much rather go to Keyspan Park in Brooklyn to watch the Mets NY-Penn League A Ball team play.


Regarding the two Baseball Stadiums in Detroit, I'm a fan of both. Tiger Stadium has so much tradition, both baseball and football. Every park of that ballpark was special. I'm disappointed that Tiger Stadium will be torn down.


As for Comerica Park, the only facet of the ballpark that I don't care for is the lower deck isn't vertical enough. Another words, it's difficult to see over the person seeing in front of you. This despite the fact that I'm tall ( 6' 3". ) On the other hand, the Lions home, Ford Field was build in such a way that even an average sized person can easily see over the person sitting in front of them.


One thing in particular I really like about Comerica Park is the amount of Tigers history that is present in the park. In the concourse area, they highlight each decade of Tigers history. The statues of Tigers greats, beyond the outfield, helps those in the ballpark and those walking by the ballpark on the way to Ford Field, connect with Tigers history. The overall flavor of Comerica Park is appealing to me.

Ford field is a very nice stadium but comerica park is much like a minor league stadium and has no class at all.

[Solair Wright]

Speaking of Cleveland Stadium, here's a picture of a game from 1987 against Toronto Blue Jays (Willie Upshaw). Here's at-bat in the old stadium:

http://webhome.idirect.com/~aum108/cleveland.GIF

It was loud and roaring when there was a sellout or capacity for American Football or baseball, but otherwise it was quiet, with crowds of about 3,000 to 9,000.

[dasher troy]

The Vet blew, hands down. Terrible fans there as well.

Shea is a dump and the ushers/people who work there hate life.

[PeteU]

Worst ballpark in modern major league history ever was the L.A. Coliseum. Hands down.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Worst ballpark in modern major league history ever was the L.A. Coliseum. Hands down.

They should have used Wrigley Field in LA instead of it. i would have liked to have seen wrigley used for Major league baseball for more than just 1 season.

[PlayJay]

The Vet blew, hands down. Terrible fans there as well.

Shea is a dump and the ushers/people who work there hate life.

If you came into both venues rooting for the Braves, particularly in an exuberant fashion, well...let's say the home crowd can be just a tad inhospitable. Goes with the territory.

Oh, well.

[Great One]

The Vet blew, hands down. Terrible fans there as well.

Shea is a dump and the ushers/people who work there hate life.

Define Terrible? At least Phillies fans show up whether our team wins or loses. They also are willing to travel to follow their beloved team anywhere in the country. You cannot dispute their passion for their team, unlike down in Georgia where they are notoriously bandwagoners. Granted, the Northeast section of the country is not known for good behavior, but what would you like from us, to sit down in our seats with our hands folded on our laps waiting in anticipation for a Braves home run? I don't think so, and that can be said wherever you go. :mad: There is a saying...Respect is not given, it is earned.

But I will certainly give you props on the Vet and Shea. The Vet was actually pretty nice in its early days. As time went by, the stadium was never kept up to date and just let everything fall apart. Shea is an eyesore. Looking forward to when they open Citi Field so that I can catch a game there.

[Knick9]

The Vet blew, hands down. Terrible fans there as well.

Shea is a dump and the ushers/people who work there hate life.

That sounds a bit harsh, don't you think? Just saying...

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

The Vet blew, hands down. Terrible fans there as well.

Shea is a dump and the ushers/people who work there hate life.

Hey i agree with you 100 percent about shea stadium being a dump but leave the poor people out of this that have to work there.

[HDH]

I was at the Vet in Phillie in the 80s. Maybe the worst. I don't go to as many games as I used to. Maybe it depended how I felt when I was there if I thought the stadium was OK. I generally don't care for old parks. Tiger stadium wasn't as great as many claim. I was in Fenway 20 years ago, it was cramp. I was at Yankee Stadium when ChiSox Tom Seaver beat the Yankees for number 300. Candlestick Park in April 1984 to watch two bad teams... Phillies and Giants. Most people were cold but, I'm from Michigan living in NJ at the time. Those are the worst for me. I do like Comerica the best.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I was at the Vet in Phillie in the 80s. Maybe the worst. I don't go to as many games as I used to. Maybe it depended how I felt when I was there if I thought the stadium was OK. I generally don't care for old parks. Tiger stadium wasn't as great as many claim. I was in Fenway 20 years ago, it was cramp. I was at Yankee Stadium when ChiSox Tom Seaver beat the Yankees for number 300. Candlestick Park in April 1984 to watch two bad teams... Phillies and Giants. Most people were cold but, I'm from Michigan living in NJ at the time. Those are the worst for me. I do like Comerica the best.

You are one of a minority as far as comerica park.

[mrakbaseball]

What a mess in Arlington. It tries and fails to emulate too many classic parks. ie, Fenway, Wrigley, old Yankee, Tiger. Too hot in summer. It just fails every criteria of what a ballpark should be. It began the unfortunate trend in forced contrived quirky asymmetry. It's existence was made possible by shady deals. Its links to #43 doesn't help.

[Pelt]

What a mess in Arlington. It tries and fails to emulate too many classic parks. ie, Fenway, Wrigley, old Yankee, Tiger. Too hot in summer. It just fails every criteria of what a ballpark should be. It began the unfortunate trend in forced contrived quirky asymmetry. It's existence was made possible by shady deals. Its links to #43 doesn't help.

That was the ballpark that had me already sick of the retro theme. Of course, nearly every team after that still had their retro park on the way, or still in the planning stages.

[curb my enthusiasm]

Trust me i live in detroit. they had a first class stadium in tiger stadium and decide to build a piece of crap like comerica toilet bowl park. comerica is a dump.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

That post just cracks me up.

I'd have to say that the worst major league park I've ever been to was Shea Stadium. And I've even been to Tropicana Field and Olympic Stadium. The Trop and The O were at least clean inside. Shea was just dirty.

[JoostSuderFain]

I grew up seeing games at Veterans Stadium, and it took trips to Yankee, Camden Yards and Fenway to realize that I really didn't like the Vet. It just ended up feeling like a mausoleum in the concourses, and some seats just were terrible (despite Joe Morgan once saying on ESPN that if a stadium was good for football, it was good for baseball - yes, he said this during a game!)

The only time it felt good was when I was there in 1993 for Game 6 of the NLCS - there wasn't an empty seat, so it felt less like the gigantic donut (sorry, octorad) that it really was.

After being to a lot of other parks, I'd have to say The Vet was my worst.

I went to the Cell in 2006 (I think?), and really enjoyed it, after reading about all the renovations done prior to that. We sat in the upper deck, and you could tell that the seating above us would not have been good to sit in (you would feel like you're falling forward), so those seats no longer existed when I got there.

[FENWAY FRANKY]

I've been to a few "worst parks" in 50 seasons of going to MLB games.

The worst were the circular ones (been to Shea, Fulton County, The Vet, Candlestick post renovation, 3 Rivers) mainly because most of the seats are a long way from the playing field.

Sucky games at worst parks:

I froze at Cleveland Municipal (April game, duh!) and Candlestick (July game shocked me with cool start 50 F then wind chills taking it below freezing).

In upper deck at Shea, had to borrow binoculars from the guy next to me to get a single moment of being "close" to the game. I improved my spot later in the game, moving down to field level.

Ditto for the Braves at Fulton and the Phils at the Vet. Had to move closer than my seat location later in the game.

At original Comisky Park, got stuck right behind a post in the grandstand (Looney Tunes Baseball Bugs came to mind as I wished I could pull it out of the cement floor), BUT I moved to the balcony and sat next to Nancy Faust as she entertained the small crowd that night (what a really nice friendly woman!!). Now days they lock her away in a room near the plate (she does leave the door open though). New Comisky is fine EXCEPT in the veritgo-ville upper deck.

and.........yes, America's Most Beloved Ballpark (been going there for 50 years, but what a crock of poo from the Red Sox marketing folks). Fenway is very good for closeness to the game, BUT the sight lines are terrible on the right field side, especially in the first 8 sections from the visitors bullpen gap to the Pesky Pole. Truely the suckiest and most expensive sucky seats in all of MLB, and don't you dare be over 6' 1" or weigh more than 200 pounds or you will not fit your knees or ass into the "dense-pack" seating.

[gman5431]

The Trop. Havent been to the other domes tho. But i'm sure i would hate those too. Also, i wouldnt like being in retractable roof when it was closed either. Baseball is meant to be outside.

G Man

[Aviator_Frank]

Baseball at Jack Murphy.

Even though it wasn't a bad park in its own right, and quite decent for football, having the baseball field 45 degrees off kilter to the main shape of the grandstands was just visually strange. I was there in the early 80's before they enclosed it, maybe it wasn't so bad afterwards.

[BaseballinDC]

The worst one has to be comerica park in detroit

Are you joking? Why do you say that? Not only have I been there - I have played there.

I would nominate the Florida parks and the Metrodome.

[BaseballinDC]

Trust me i live in detroit. they had a first class stadium in tiger stadium and decide to build a piece of crap like comerica toilet bowl park. comerica is a dump.

OK - Nowww I get it. You're mad that they replaced Tiger Stadium. I hear you. I went there with my dad as a kid. It was truly a shame to see it go.

Of course, what you say about Comerica is truly garbage, but I understand where the sentiment comes from.

[BaseballinDC]

Honestly, I think RFK Stadium looks ugly as sin, but I'll give it some points for the natural grass and that strange wavy upper deck.

It's not pretty to look at, but it was a solid fan's park. $18 got you a seat that they won't even let you get off the escalator near at Camden.

[Astros]

Baseball is meant to be outside.



Sure is working out well right now in Philly for Game 5.

I agree baseball is meant to be played outdoors, but when baseball expanded to a broad range over this country there was going to have to be an adaptation to some climates and weather tendencies.

Some can say what they want about the domes and retractable roofs but they do come in handy. At least you know you'll play that day.

I always wondered how a domed stadium for the Brooklyn Dodgers would have been viewed. If they had stayed and a dome was built like O'Malley wanted would they have moved out eventually for an exclusive open-air stadium? Would it look just like Citi Field? Would they have built a new park in the 90s or 2000s with a retractable roof anyway?

[curb my enthusiasm]

Why is it that the NFL, which is supposed to be a cold weather sport played outside, insists on playing the Super Bowl in warm weather or in domes? And baseball, which is supposed to be a summer sport, has no problem with playing it World Series in places like Philadephia, New York, Detroit, and Boston in the freezing cold?

[Yankees73]

http://www.digitalballparks.com/CanAm/Yonkers1.html my nomination
I used to play ball at Fleming Field!! East Yonkers Boys Club City league!!. Remember the semi pro team the North Yonkers Yankees? I saw them play the New Rochelle Robins in the 70s. Is the water tower still there? It's been years since I've been to that part of Yonkers!!!

[Astros]

Why is it that the NFL, which is supposed to be a cold weather sport played outside, insists on playing the Super Bowl in warm weather or in domes? And baseball, which is supposed to be a summer sport, has no problem with playing it World Series in places like Philadephia, New York, Detroit, and Boston in the freezing cold?

The Super Bowl is the largest TV revenue stream of the year and they want a good guarantee of decent weather and playing conditions. The World Series is different because you never know which of the 30 teams will be in the Series and, theoretically, want to go as deep as possible into the series to make the maximum revenue stream. The more games played means higher playoff shares as well for the players and staff.

[Chevy114]

I wouldn't pay 300 dollars face value for an uper deck superbowl ticket if my team had to play in a snowy green bay or some place like that. Its almost to me like you want the most fair situation possible you give the teams a week off to get healthy, give them a site where very little can affect your game play , and see what happens.

At least the world series is at least a 4 game event played at home parks. I couldn't imagine getting a superbowl ticket on the other side of the country for a netural site and have it get rained out or something.

[curb my enthusiasm]

The Super Bowl is the largest TV revenue stream of the year and they want a good guarantee of decent weather and playing conditions. The World Series is different because you never know which of the 30 teams will be in the Series and, theoretically, want to go as deep as possible into the series to make the maximum revenue stream. The more games played means higher playoff shares as well for the players and staff.

Good point. However, a couple of years ago when the Colts-Bears Super Bowl was in Miami, I believe it rained.

[mandrake]

I wouldn't pay 300 dollars face value for an uper deck superbowl ticket if my team had to play in a snowy green bay or some place like that. Its almost to me like you want the most fair situation possible you give the teams a week off to get healthy, give them a site where very little can affect your game play , and see what happens.

At least the world series is at least a 4 game event played at home parks. I couldn't imagine getting a superbowl ticket on the other side of the country for a netural site and have it get rained out or something.

Please. The World Series has real fans at it. Period.

The NFL allows real fans to freeze at night playoff games in places like Foxboro, Green Bay, Philly, etc. The AFC night playoff game a few years ago in Foxboro was putting fans lives at risk ! There were warnings given for hypothermia and frostbite, but TV ratings dictated "Night game for TV".

But for the PHONY corporate types that go to the Super Bowl, they must be warm. They do not even want to risk rain, let alone snow. They must have the latest word in comfort. They will no longer play in historic sites like the Rose Bowl, host of previous Supes, but not 'updated' for the corporate suits. When Pasadena said no to multi-million $ upgrades demanded by NFL, suits pulled Rose Bowl forever! There are a long list of stadiums that no longer meet the NFL demands, so we will never see NY, DC, Chi, LA, Philly, Denver etc , real football towns, host the Super Bowl. Instead , the NFL caters to the Jerry Jones type.

As for 300 bucks for a face ticket. Better try $1,000 for this year's game. Face.

Give me baseball, thank you.

[gman5431]

Sure is working out well right now in Philly for Game 5.

I agree baseball is meant to be played outdoors, but when baseball expanded to a broad range over this country there was going to have to be an adaptation to some climates and weather tendencies.

Some can say what they want about the domes and retractable roofs but they do come in handy. At least you know you'll play that day.

I always wondered how a domed stadium for the Brooklyn Dodgers would have been viewed. If they had stayed and a dome was built like O'Malley wanted would they have moved out eventually for an exclusive open-air stadium? Would it look just like Citi Field? Would they have built a new park in the 90s or 2000s with a retractable roof anyway?

I understand the need for it in certain climates. And a retractable roof is a little more bearable with the understanding that sometimes it will be an outside game..... but these are still the some of the worst parks in the game because baseball is meant to be outside.

G Man

[curb my enthusiasm]

Why is baseball meant to be played outside? Because in the old days they didn't have the technology available to play indoors? In the early 1900's, the technology wasn't available to build such a huge indoor facility. That's why the Astrodome wasn't built until the 1960's.

If you look at old hockey photos from the early 1900's, the games were played outside. But now, every team has an indoor arena. So I guess there are no real hockey arenas.

[Astros]

Please. The World Series has real fans at it. Period.

The NFL allows real fans to freeze at night playoff games in places like Foxboro, Green Bay, Philly, etc. The AFC night playoff game a few years ago in Foxboro was putting fans lives at risk ! There were warnings given for hypothermia and frostbite, but TV ratings dictated "Night game for TV".

But for the PHONY corporate types that go to the Super Bowl, they must be warm. They do not even want to risk rain, let alone snow. They must have the latest word in comfort. They will no longer play in historic sites like the Rose Bowl, host of previous Supes, but not 'updated' for the corporate suits. When Pasadena said no to multi-million $ upgrades demanded by NFL, suits pulled Rose Bowl forever! There are a long list of stadiums that no longer meet the NFL demands, so we will never see NY, DC, Chi, LA, Philly, Denver etc , real football towns, host the Super Bowl. Instead , the NFL caters to the Jerry Jones type.

As for 300 bucks for a face ticket. Better try $1,000 for this year's game. Face.

Give me baseball, thank you.

No doubt. The Super Bowl is designed to have Joe Fan watch it on TV. Baseball is much more friendlier in terms of attending the World Series and the season ticket holders who have been there all season are still there. But then again, if the Super Bowl is being played in your city, chances are it is not your team playing in it. Okay- go ahead I know someone is waiting to make a joke out there somewhere. The Super Bowl is just an NFL event and the host city only provides a venue and reaps the revenue spent there in the city.

[Astros]

I understand the need for it in certain climates. And a retractable roof is a little more bearable with the understanding that sometimes it will be an outside game..... but these are still the some of the worst parks in the game because baseball is meant to be outside.

G Man

How many of these retractable roof parks have you seen a game in? Just wondering. I find that a lot of people will go with a popular cliche that fits in with what appears to be a traditionalist view of baseball, but have never visited the parks they criticize. I'm not picking on you but I am interested to know. I've known people from New York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago and other cities who came to Houston over the past few years and realized how great a ballpark there is in Houston. They were amazed when they actually saw it in person. I'm not saying it is the best ballpark in the nation, but it is a great facility designed to have the entire roof come off when open (much like Safeco Field). Minute Maid Park just doesn't have a "sun roof" that you find in Arizona and Milwaukee.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Please. The World Series has real fans at it. Period.

The NFL allows real fans to freeze at night playoff games in places like Foxboro, Green Bay, Philly, etc. The AFC night playoff game a few years ago in Foxboro was putting fans lives at risk ! There were warnings given for hypothermia and frostbite, but TV ratings dictated "Night game for TV".

But for the PHONY corporate types that go to the Super Bowl, they must be warm. They do not even want to risk rain, let alone snow. They must have the latest word in comfort. They will no longer play in historic sites like the Rose Bowl, host of previous Supes, but not 'updated' for the corporate suits. When Pasadena said no to multi-million $ upgrades demanded by NFL, suits pulled Rose Bowl forever! There are a long list of stadiums that no longer meet the NFL demands, so we will never see NY, DC, Chi, LA, Philly, Denver etc , real football towns, host the Super Bowl. Instead , the NFL caters to the Jerry Jones type.

As for 300 bucks for a face ticket. Better try $1,000 for this year's game. Face.

Give me baseball, thank you.


I thought New York was getting strong consideration for a future super bowl.

LA has hosted plenty of super bowls. Without a team there at present, though . . .

Are Detroit fans not real fans and Detroit not a real town because they play in a dome. The Lions have been in a dome for 30 years or so.

Really, though, it is an apples and oranges comparison. Neutral site single game event vs. home field up to seven game event. Any major sports event will have its major corporate influence. So no need to smear football when baseball has its corporate suites and boxes and specialty foods, too. Warmth is a bit more of a problem when the event is in February as opposed to October. That's not a fair point for baseball.

I prefer baseball, too, but let's be fair.

[mandrake]

I thought New York was getting strong consideration for a future super bowl.

LA has hosted plenty of super bowls. Without a team there at present, though . . .

Are Detroit fans not real fans and Detroit not a real town because they play in a dome. The Lions have been in a dome for 30 years or so.

Really, though, it is an apples and oranges comparison. Neutral site single game event vs. home field up to seven game event. Any major sports event will have its major corporate influence. So no need to smear football when baseball has its corporate suites and boxes and specialty foods, too. Warmth is a bit more of a problem when the event is in February as opposed to October. That's not a fair point for baseball.

I prefer baseball, too, but let's be fair.

NY's consideration went out the door when the new football stadium for the Jets and Giants did not include a roof. The Superbowl talk revved up when Mayor Bloomberg was trying to build the West Side dome in Manhattan.

LA had the LAC and the Rose Bowl. Now, the NFL says both are inadequate.

Detroit has real fans. When they were given the Pontiac game in '82, it snowed and the NFL said 'never again' because the traffic/snow that far away from Detroit was too hard to handle. Around a decade later, Minny was given one but it was deemed too small and inadequate. Detroit was given another one recently only because they built a climate controlled dome in downtown.

Look at last year's NFC game in late January....Green Bay ! Think they would force the very next game to be played in Green Bay? Or Chicago? A few years ago, fans were forced to sit through sub zero night games in Philli and New England, yet the SuperBowl was in neither place.

A friend of mine went to a SuperBowl in Pasadena (Dallas- Buffalo?). He claimed 3/4 of the fans couldn't care who won; it was just a huge party. Think they would have played the game in Buffalo? Over those 4 yrs that they lost the SB's, they were something like 14-2 vs the NFC in the regular season. Put them in those warm weather sites, 0-4.

Every other sport, except the NFL, home field is earned somehow.

I have been to WS, NLCS, AFC playoffs, NFC Playoffs, NHL playoffs, but never have I had a chance to even purchase Super Bowl tickets at face.

(My dad passed up his only chance: Supe III. He has regretted it for 40 years).

[Hank 755]

I wouldn't pay 300 dollars face value for an uper deck superbowl ticket if my team had to play in a snowy green bay or some place like that. Its almost to me like you want the most fair situation possible you give the teams a week off to get healthy, give them a site where very little can affect your game play , and see what happens.

At least the world series is at least a 4 game event played at home parks. I couldn't imagine getting a superbowl ticket on the other side of the country for a netural site and have it get rained out or something.

Lambeau Field doesn't have an upper deck and it puts the real fans closest to the field and the luxury boxes in the back. Although Green Bay is probably the exception of the notion that luxury boxes are for corporate people who don't pay attention to the game.

[Captain Cold Nose]

NY's consideration went out the door when the new football stadium for the Jets and Giants did not include a roof. The Superbowl talk revved up when Mayor Bloomberg was trying to build the West Side dome in Manhattan.

LA had the LAC and the Rose Bowl. Now, the NFL says both are inadequate.

Detroit has real fans. When they were given the Pontiac game in '82, it snowed and the NFL said 'never again' because the traffic/snow that far away from Detroit was too hard to handle. Around a decade later, Minny was given one but it was deemed too small and inadequate. Detroit was given another one recently only because they built a climate controlled dome in downtown.

Look at last year's NFC game in late January....Green Bay ! Think they would force the very next game to be played in Green Bay? Or Chicago? A few years ago, fans were forced to sit through sub zero night games in Philli and New England, yet the SuperBowl was in neither place.

A friend of mine went to a SuperBowl in Pasadena (Dallas- Buffalo?). He claimed 3/4 of the fans couldn't care who won; it was just a huge party. Think they would have played the game in Buffalo? Over those 4 yrs that they lost the SB's, they were something like 14-2 vs the NFC in the regular season. Put them in those warm weather sites, 0-4.

Every other sport, except the NFL, home field is earned somehow.

I have been to WS, NLCS, AFC playoffs, NFC Playoffs, NHL playoffs, but never have I had a chance to even purchase Super Bowl tickets at face.

(My dad passed up his only chance: Supe III. He has regretted it for 40 years).

Do you think the success of the New Year's NHL games might lead to a reversal of thinking?

I'll be honest. I've watched Super Bowls, including the one Buffalo lost to Washington, where the party well took over the game. I don't remember the second half.

Back to curb's question, I still don't think it's too much a baseball vs. football thing on that. It is time of year the game is played and the situation surrounding the event on top of the corporate influence. But the Super Bowl has been a spectacle for years and years, since they realized they could do better than having Up With People as the halftime show. I remember the Polynesian show they had in the late 70's. The marketing is so different.

[califangels72]

The worst one has to be comerica park in detroit

after growing up in socal with anaheim and dodger stadiums....living in cincinnati for a couple years was the worst experience! town sucked...team sucked....and the stadium shouldve never been built!

a few pics....1997 i think...

[califangels72]

They should have used Wrigley Field in LA instead of it. i would have liked to have seen wrigley used for Major league baseball for more than just 1 season.

the angels wouldve been better off staying in wrigley for a few years....and in LA proper! imagine if autry couldve grabbed some choice land in west l.a...or even the fairfax area, gilmore field location....where was HOK when ya needed em! :baseball:

[gman5431]

How many of these retractable roof parks have you seen a game in? Just wondering. I find that a lot of people will go with a popular cliche that fits in with what appears to be a traditionalist view of baseball, but have never visited the parks they criticize. I'm not picking on you but I am interested to know. I've known people from New York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago and other cities who came to Houston over the past few years and realized how great a ballpark there is in Houston. They were amazed when they actually saw it in person. I'm not saying it is the best ballpark in the nation, but it is a great facility designed to have the entire roof come off when open (much like Safeco Field). Minute Maid Park just doesn't have a "sun roof" that you find in Arizona and Milwaukee.

I have been to Safeco, Miller, AZ, and SkyDome. Going to tour Minute Maid day after X Mas if i can get in.

G Man