GM Rankings

[atlbravesfan]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6392576

Of course this is subjective and someone else would probably rank them different. Looks to be based mainly on tenure, FA signings, trades, farm system and how well they lead their organization overall.

1. John Schuerholz, Braves
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2. Walt Jocketty, Cardinals
3. Terry Ryan, Twins
4. Billy Beane, A's
5. Theo Epstein, Red Sox
6. Dave Dombrowski, Tigers
7. Kevin Towers, Padres
8. Kenny Williams, White Sox
9. Omar Minaya, Mets
10. Larry Beinfest, Marlins
11. Brian Cashman, Yankees
12. Bill Stoneman, Angels
13. Mark Shapiro, Indians
14. Doug Melvin, Brewers
15. Pat Gillick, Phillies
16. Josh Byrnes, Diamondbacks
17. Brian Sabean, Giants
18. Tim Purpura, Astros
19. Dayton Moore, Royals
20. J.P. Ricciardi, Blue Jays
21. Ned Colletti, Dodgers
22. Andrew Friedman, Devil Rays
23. Jon Daniels, Rangers
24. Jim Bowden, Nationals
25. Jim Hendry, Cubs
26. Mike Flanagan, Orioles
27. Dave Littlefield, Pirates
28. Wayne Krivsky, Reds
29. Dan O'Dowd, Rockies
30. Bill Bavasi, Mariners

[Mattingly]

I'm curious, how much would payroll play a part in all of this? I figure that if GMs would be rated, then their "bang of the buck" thing would play a role, rather than just overall performance.

If people could list some of the reasons behind their decisions, I think that would be ideal. :)

[W_Marone]

How do you put the Angel's GM, who gave Matthews Jr. all that cash for one year over Pat Gillick....(wow, never thought I would be backing a Phillies GM)

[digglahhh]

What does this even mean?

There are so many variables; it is very difficult tot compare. What about payroll? What about guys who had to deal with messes left to them by previous GMs? What about revenue generation vs.on-field performance? Minor league systems? Non-glamor personnel decisions, scouting, etc? Unexpected injuries? Prospects that look like good moves now who don't pan out. Guys who are currently not blue chippers or apparent busts who do turn out? What about if you were all set to make a big offer to a guy who turned out to be a bust and you got bailed out because some other team swooped in and made a worse mistake, how do they credit, or punish for that? And on and on and on...

You know your team's GM and maybe a few others; you can't know enough about every single organization to understand the reasoning behind every move and properly evaluate it.

This list is taken with a boulder of salt.

[EvanAparra]

I dont agree with where Epstein, Towers, Coletti, and Purpura are at all.

[Erik Bedard]

A better way to look at it, IMO, is dollars per win, averaged over their tenure.

[Hammerin Hank]

Hendry is too high up that list.

[W_Marone]

They had something like this on ESPN.com a couple months ago.

[digglahhh]

Hendry is too high up that list.

:laugh :laugh

It would be funnier if it weren't true.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

You got bill bavasi right. You put him right where he belongs.... the basement

[EvanAparra]

You got bill bavasi right. You put him right where he belongs.... the basement
He should have some comp from Hendry and Daniels. Say hello Wayne Krivsky.

[Erik Bedard]

IMO, Krivsky doesn't deserve to be that low. He put together a decent team last year, aside from the bullpen.

Flanagan is right where he deserves. Makes lots of dumb moves, but this off-season he started being smart... only Angelos nixed the first great trade he would have made, for no reason other than he liked Roberts.

[EvanAparra]

IMO, Krivsky doesn't deserve to be that low. He put together a decent team last year, aside from the bullpen.


Krivsky put together a good team before the season started. The Kearns trade drops him off the table, IMO. Worst trade of the year.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

A better way to look at it, IMO, is dollars per win, averaged over their tenure.But can you fault a guy for having more money to spend than someone else? I mean, what GM isn't going to take some extra money that an owner gives him?

[digglahhh]

Even a terrible team is going to win 50 or so games. There has to be a baseline or else you're going to be biased toward the low-spending team. Perhaps a better beginning would be to either establish a baseline of wins and then evaluate wins above that on some sliding scale, knowing that it gets harder to increase performance when performance is high. A simpler idea, might be to group teams in terms of payroll and then judge those GMs compared to each other.

But you still can't get around the fact that some of the best moves are the ones you don't make. How do we know that KC wouldn't have offered 140M to Adrian Beltre? Can we give them credit for not making that move? Do teams get hurt for making moves that everybody agreed with at the time, but turned out poorly like the Mets with Alomar?

[Rapmaster]

How do you put the Angel's GM, who gave Matthews Jr. all that cash for one year over Pat Gillick....(wow, never thought I would be backing a Phillies GM)

Pat Burrell, David Bell, and Jim Thome come to mind :)

In case you were wondering, Thome is a great player, but his presence blocked the aggrandizement of Ryan Howard. He was a rookie in 2005 at the age of 25/26 and was tremendous.

[redlegsfan21]

Krivsky put together a good team before the season started. The Kearns trade drops him off the table, IMO. Worst trade of the year.
Honestly, in the long run, that trade isn't as bad as thought. Though Kearns was a very good ballplayer, the Reds had two young outfielder prospects in Norris Hopper and Chris Denorfia. Hopper was almost the only good Red (at least at batting) during September. Also, Lopez was a complete bust. Horrible defensively and couldn't be depended on to get a hit. So we had Rich Aurilia and Juan Castro move to shortstop which Castro (a Krivsky signing) did very well in that position. This was also at the time in which we all thought that Brandon Phillips could play shortstop. Bill Bray performed better than the average Reds pitcher. Also, after Majewski got off the DL, he had a 1.59 ERA. And Royce Clayton was just a throw in.

[ChrisLDuncan]

You also have to look at which teams are selling out games, say what you will about Cash he puts fans in the seats...and for the most part he doesn't make stupid trades.

[digglahhh]

Pat Burrell, David Bell, and Jim Thome come to mind :)

In case you were wondering, Thome is a great player, but his presence blocked the aggrandizement of Ryan Howard. He was a rookie in 2005 at the age of 25/26 and was tremendous.

If I am correct, Howard broke several minor league offensive records before he came up to the bigs. Meanwhile, Gillick went out and signed Thome for a huge contract, when he had a younger (potentially better) version of Thome ready to be promoted from the farm for a fraction of the price. The Phils could have spent that money on starting pitching, or to afford to retain Wagner, whatever. The point that money could have been used to address other needs. It's probably a moot point anyway, because Gillick would have probably botched the other move, whatever it would have been, anyway...

[digglahhh]

You also have to look at which teams are selling out games, say what you will about Cash he puts fans in the seats...and for the most part he doesn't make stupid trades.

Well, the players he acquires, the massive fanbase and the team's success puts fans in the seats.

But the Yankees, as an organization, do know that winning is the true cash cow.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Cash also has a top five farm system....(BA had them seventh before the Unit trade) How is Cash not top ten? I have him 3rd or so.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6392576

Of course this is subjective and someone else would probably rank them different. Looks to be based mainly on tenure, FA signings, trades, farm system and how well they lead their organization overall.

1. John Schuerholz, Braves
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping

2. Walt Jocketty, Cardinals
3. Terry Ryan, Twins
4. Billy Beane, A's
5. Theo Epstein, Red Sox
6. Dave Dombrowski, Tigers
7. Kevin Towers, Padres
8. Kenny Williams, White Sox
9. Omar Minaya, Mets
10. Larry Beinfest, Marlins
11. Brian Cashman, Yankees
12. Bill Stoneman, Angels
13. Mark Shapiro, Indians
14. Doug Melvin, Brewers
15. Pat Gillick, Phillies
16. Josh Byrnes, Diamondbacks
17. Brian Sabean, Giants
18. Tim Purpura, Astros
19. Dayton Moore, Royals
20. J.P. Ricciardi, Blue Jays
21. Ned Colletti, Dodgers
22. Andrew Friedman, Devil Rays
23. Jon Daniels, Rangers
24. Jim Bowden, Nationals
25. Jim Hendry, Cubs
26. Mike Flanagan, Orioles
27. Dave Littlefield, Pirates
28. Wayne Krivsky, Reds
29. Dan O'Dowd, Rockies
30. Bill Bavasi, Mariners
Wow, Larry Beinfest, Josh Byrnes and Brian Sabean ahead of Tim Pupura, J.P. Ricciardi and Ned Colletti. :eek:

[Erik Bedard]

Beinfest deserved his spot, as does Byrnes. Sabean, no. Purpura, Colletti, and Ricciardi are right where they deserve. Really, the only ones I disagree with are Krivsky and Epstein.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Wow, Larry Beinfest, Josh Byrnes and Brian Sabean ahead of Tim Pupura, J.P. Ricciardi and Ned Colletti. :eek:


Colletti does a lot of stupid things, he should be lower maybe. Juan Pierre was a horrible move. His farm was built by Paul Depodesta, and most of his success is because of him. The Schmidt move was good, but then again a broken clock is still right twice a day.

[Old Sweater]

Dandy O'Dowd should be 30th. Rigged vote.