Your feelings when Mets were created

[Paulmcall]

How did you feel when the Mets started playing (especially at the Polo Grounds) and the National League came back to the New York area?
Didn't you kind of wonder what kind of compromise that was?:grouchy
Queens gets a team and Brooklyn gets left out.

[MATHA531]

The Queens thing was irrelevant....they were not and could not be the Dodgers, never were and never will be....now had the piece of slime done one honorable thing and left the name Dodgers in Brooklyn and the team in Queens was called the Brooklyn Dodgers (this wouldn't have annoyed me especially if with our little change in history we would have seen that we could have lost the whole kit and kaboodle (sp.))...then I would have been a fan.

Of course they had a way of sticking the knife in deep making sure the people who were given control of the Mets were Giants people not Dodger people (wonder if the fat slob had anything to do with that..conspiracy theories are always fun but I doubt it)....but the answer to the question remains no..the Mets, at least to me, were never a substitute for what was stolen from us by the greedy piece of slime.

[ColtscorrAL]

I one upped you in that I've had two teams move right out from under me. As I was only eight when the Dodgers moved it didn't hurt me as much as it did my father. When the Baltimore Colts moved, it devastated me. But in both cases I've remained a loyal fan of both teams.

Since the Colts recently had to return to Baltimore for a playoff game, the leaving the name debate resurfaced. When an owner buys a team he buys everything including the name. While I agree Brooklyn records are Brooklyn records, but they all fall under the name DODGERS like Baltimore records fall under the name COLTS. What happened in Brooklyn should stay Brooklyn records but once again the franchise known as the Dodgers has every right to continue to be the Dodgers no matter how many locations they may have. I couldn't imagine leaving the name in someone's back pocket and the Dodgers not existing anymore.

Just like the people of Baltimore are still asking the Colts to return the name and colors so they can retire them. The NFL without the Colts?! MLB without the Dodgers?!

[Shotgun Shuba]

I was just going through the dodger website looking at caps and jackets and such and I see a lot of Brooklyn stuff there. You may be right about the dodgers being the dodgers wherever they play, you may be wrong, but the LA dodgers should not be allowed to capitalize on a heritage they abandoned. They should have left the name so it could be used again. The Indy Colts are NOT the Baltimore Colts and never will be. This will be the first Indy colts super Bowl win. This team has no connection to the O'Brien field goal, the real Colts died that snowy early morning. When you abandon your fans you give up more than just the first part of your name.

[ColtscorrAL]

I was just going through the dodger website looking at caps and jackets and such and I see a lot of Brooklyn stuff there. You may be right about the dodgers being the dodgers wherever they play, you may be wrong, but the LA dodgers should not be allowed to capitalize on a heritage they abandoned. They should have left the name so it could be used again. The Indy Colts are NOT the Baltimore Colts and never will be. This will be the first Indy colts super Bowl win. This team has no connection to the O'Brien field goal, the real Colts died that snowy early morning. When you abandon your fans you give up more than just the first part of your name.This is an argument that cannot be won or lost because of point of view. To me, the important name is the the last name. It follows you to every location if you want it to. If you, as a family, live in the same home for 25 years and then move the last name remains as does your history. I realize both the Colts and Dodgers moved, but I didn't abandon either team. So my memories and their history remain with me. Since I didn't live in either city things just continued. I still remember the 32 yard field goal Jim O'Brien kicked to give the Colts a three point lead. In fact the SI cover is on my office wall. As is a picture of me and Jackie Robinson on Camera day in Brooklyn. I cherish my years as both a Colts and Dodgers fan. I could never let the actions of some greedy and long dead old men take that away from me.

If the Colts win the SB, for me it won't be the Baltimore or Indy Colts. It'll just be the Colts. The BLUE SHOE says it all.

[Shotgun Shuba]

You should be happy when the Colts win, I am not saying you shouldn't be. The fans of Brooklyn did not have the luxury you had with your teams though. You did not live in either Baltimore or Brooklyn so when they left those cities it didn't matter to you. Cities do rely on their local fan base for their survival and do owe them something. If not, then there would just be the USA Reds or the USA Dodgers. One season they could play in Birmingham, the next in Austin, whatever. I can follow the Dodgers much more closely now, 3,000 miles away, then a Brooklynite could across the street from Ebbets Field then. That is the luxury I speak of. The loyalty to teams was built on something more then. The Dodgers were a part of the community and WERE Brooklyn. You have adopted a very healthy outlook on sports but could sports teams survive if every fan was like you?

[ColtscorrAL]

I may have misled you a bit when I said I didn't live in the cities where my favorite teams played. I did live close enough, a G W bridge crossing, to attend a lot weekend Brooklyn Dodger games with my Mom and Dad. I also lived close enough to Baltimore to buy season tickets when I was old enough to drive down for games. It was a bit of a drive but it was more then worth it. I still remember the feeling when I first heard the Colts band play the fight song live. To this day, it remains the background on my cell phone message.

I'm not so sure teams really depend on the "little" fan for survival. With the price of tickets they're almost telling fans, like you and me, they don't really need us. Hell my monthly cable bill, with all the special packages so I can watch my teams, is more them my parents would have to spend on tickets in a year. So if they don't get you one way they get you another.

[MATHA531]

BTW...reading the papers the last few day it is very very possible, as a matter of fact very likely, that extra innings will no longer be made available to cable outlets or dish network for that matter either as the ass holes at Directv as well as the execs at mlb are trying to screw the cable fans by making this package an exclusive on directv just like Sunday Ticket. So much for how much mlb cares for the fans.

[ColtscorrAL]

They'll always find a new way to squeeze the consumer. Actually, it's a sad state of affairs. But I've said it all along, the owners are really nothing more then the middle man passing the ridiculous player costs on to the consumer.

How much higher do you think costs can go before things crash back down to earth with a thud?

[Shotgun Shuba]

At least I will have my XM. That is until they get put out of business by the stupid record labels. You just can't win. There is no way I am paying to watch games on my computer!

[EbtsFldGuy]

I was happy that the NL was back in NYC; that the new team adopted Dodger blue as one of its colors; that it had some by then shopworn former Brooklyn Dodgers on its first roster, and later had more; and that, at least by more than memory, the Dodgers of old would be revived in NYC.

Still, when LA came to town to play the Mets, it still hurt.

[LouGehrig]

This is an argument that cannot be won or lost because of point of view.

If the Colts win the SB, for me it won't be the Baltimore or Indy Colts. It'll just be the Colts. The BLUE SHOE says it all.

No, the argument has been won by BROOKLYN fans. The team has been lost to LOS ANGELES fans.

When the Brooklyn Dodgers left Brooklyn, the team's history ended. It ended after the 1957 season.

[ColtscorrAL]

No, the argument has been won by BROOKLYN fans. The team has been lost to LOS ANGELES fans.

When the Brooklyn Dodgers left Brooklyn, the team's history ended. It ended after the 1957 season.Once again, it's nothing but a point of view. If you look in the paper or check the standings there remains a team named the Dodgers. The fact they no longer reside in Brooklyn can not change the fact the franchise remains a member of the national League.

Where I do agree with you is they shouldn't lump the Brooklyn records with the LA records. While it's the same franchise, what happened in Brooklyn should be recognized as happening in Brooklyn.

[LouGehrig]

Where I do agree with you is they shouldn't lump the Brooklyn records with the LA records. While it's the same franchise, what happened in Brooklyn should be recognized as happening in Brooklyn.

Agreed, but we have been over this time and time again. MLB uses its own definition of a franchise, which is not the definition used by most dictionaries.

[MATHA531]

It's very simple...

There is the Brooklyn National League baseball team which existed until 09 October 1957. At that point, it no longer existed.

Then there is the Los Angeles National League baseball team. They have nothing to do with the Brooklyn National League baseball team...they have no call on the records or history of the Brooklyn National League baseball club.

It is no different than if the Tennessee Titans tried to claim some of the records of the New York Titans...just because the last name is the same does not make them the same franchise.

The slime on the West Coast chose to abandon the name...nobody forced them to. Therefore, they have nothing to do with the glorious history of the franchise that once played in Brooklyn and unfortunately, thanks to the greed of one sick demented individual, no longer exists.

[Bklyn Boy since 1936]

I have a vivid recollection of seeing the equipment trunks with the "BROOKLYN BASE BALL CLUB" Painted them. In addition, my Baseball Encyclopedia lists the records of teams by their CITY Franchise and, up to the end of the 1957 season, "BROOKLYN" and all the facts & figures associated with the "BROOKLYN" team was listed. After that, it no longer appears since the "BROOKLYN BASE BALL CLUB" ceased to exist.