Top Ten Current CFs [Archive]

ChrisLDuncan

01-12-2007, 06:14 PM

This is the seventh inhttp://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=55433stallment of these position player polls. To vote, simple list the top 10 right fielders that are active in order from best (#1) to least (#10). The results will be tabulated and will be announced on Jan 19th after the last ballot was submitted. The points will be alloted based on the player's ranking on each list (1st place gets 10, 2nd gets 9, 3rd gets 8, etc.) Remember, YOU MUST LIST 10!!!!!

Although you may vote for whomever you see fit try to rate players in either performance in the 2006 mlb season or performance in the last 3-4 years. However, you may can use career performance as a factor. Also, be sure to look at both offensive and defensive performance.

Since Yankee Legend hasn't been around, and we have gone over an old poll, I have taken the liberty of starting the current Top Ten current CFs poll.

Here are the results from the previous polls

Catchers http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=52858
1. Joe Mauer
2. Brian McCann
3. Jorge Posada
4. Ivan Rodriguez
5. Victor Martinez
6. Kenji Johjima
7. Michael Barrett
7. Paul Lo Duca
9. Ramon Hernandez
10. Jason Kendall
10. A.J. Pierzynski

First Basemen http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=53298
1. Albert Pujols
2. Lance Berkman
3. Ryan Howard
4. Justin Morneau
5. Carlos Delgado
6. Mark Teixeira
7. Paul Konerko
8. Nick Johnson
9. Jason Giambi
10. Derek Lee

Second Basemen http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=53805
1. Chase Utley
2. Robinson Cano
3. Dan Uggla
4. Ray Durham
5. Brian Roberts
6. Jeff Kent
7. Orlando Hudson
8. Tadihito Iguchi
9. Marcus Giles
10. Luis Castillo

Third Basemen http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=54363
1. Miguel Cabrera
2. Alex Rodriguez
3. David Wright
4. Aramis Ramirez
5. Scott Rolen
6. Garrett Atkins
7. Ryan Zimmerman
8. Joe Crede
9. Chipper Jones
10. Eric Chavez

Shortstops http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=55008
1. Derek Jeter
2. Jose Reyes
3. Michael Young
4. Miguel Tejada
5. Rafael Furcal
6. Carlos Guillen
7. Jimmy Rollins
8. Hanley Ramirez
9. Bill Hall
10. Orlando Cabrera

Right Field http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=55433
1.) Vladimir Guerrero
2.) Ichiro Suzuki
3.) Bobby Abreu
4.) Jermaine Dye
5.) JD Drew
6.) Gary Sheffield
7.) Magglio Ordonez
8.) Brian Giles
9.) Michael Cuddyer
10.) Alexis Rios

EvanAparra

01-12-2007, 06:24 PM

Are you going to calculate the results for the Right Fielders poll?

ChrisLDuncan

01-12-2007, 06:25 PM

From what I saw I didn't see that the poll that wasn't by Yankee Legend was completed...however I will find the one created by Yankee Legend and calculate it.

ChrisLDuncan

01-12-2007, 07:20 PM

RF Poll Results:

Balot Results by votes

Vlad: 10,9,10,10,9,10,10,10,10,7,8,10,10 123
Ichiro: 9,10,9,9,10,8,9,8,9,9,10,9 118
Sheffield: 8,8,1,5,6,6,5,6,6,4 55
Abreu: 6,6,8,8,7,6,9,8,9,7,8,6 88
Dye: 4,4,7,7,8,9,8,3,7,10,9,7,8 81
Giles: 1,2,4,7,2,4,5,2,1,3,5 36
Hawpe: 4,1,2,1,3,6,1,4 22
Drew: 7,7,5,6,3,5,4,7,4,5,3,7 63
Ordonez: 2,4,6,5,7,6,7,5,5,4,1 52
Bradley: 3,3,4,1,2,2 15
Markakis:2,2 4
Rios: 2,1,3,3,5,3,3 20
Jaques Jones: 1,1, 2
Francoeur: 2,1 3
Cuddyer: 6,3,1,6,4,3,5 28
Austin Kearns: 2 2

Ballot Results

1.) Vladimir Guerrero
2.) Ichiro Suzuki
3.) Bobby Abreu
4.) Jermaine Dye
5.) JD Drew
6.) Gary Sheffield
7.) Magglio Ordonez
8.) Brian Giles
9.) Michael Cuddyer
10.) Alexis Rios

I will also post it and link it in the post's heading.

538280

01-12-2007, 08:46 PM

1. Carlos Beltran-Arguably should have won MVP
2. Mike Cameron-Another one of 2006's best invisible performances
3. Vernon Wells-A good player, but he's going to have a hell of a time justifying all that $
4. Andruw Jones-Has lost a step in the OF but still one of the best
5. Grady Sizemore-One of baseball's best power/speed men. Will be a fantastic player for years
6. Curtis Granderson-Ballhawk in center. Showed power in postseason.
7. Gary Matthews Jr.-See Vernon Wells. And he's on the wrong side of 30.
8. Johnny Damon-Overrated, but still had arguably best hitting season yet in 2006.
9. Torii Hunter-Mediocre offense, real good defense. Decent player, I remember his 2002 ASG catch off Bonds like it was yesterday.
10. Dave Roberts-Will be remembered here in MA for a long time. Decent leadoff man.

ElHalo

01-12-2007, 09:26 PM

1. Grady Sizemore
2. Vernon Wells
3. Andruw Jones
4. Carlos Beltran
5. Johnny Damon
6. Torii Hunter
7. Mike Cameron
8. Ryan Freel
9. Gary Matthews
10. Chone Figgins

EdmondsFan#1

01-12-2007, 09:34 PM

1. Carlos Beltran - Definetly MVP-caliber. Don't think I need to elaborate much.
2. Grady Sizemore - Very, very, good young prospect. Great all-around player.
3. Andruw Jones- 9 gold gloves and incredible power. Don't think I have to explain much.
4. Vernon Wells- .303 BA, 32 HRs, 17 SB, 106 RBI's, 3 Gold Gloves. His numbers are pretty self-explanatory.
5. Torii Hunter-A slightly watered-down Andruw Jones imo, but he is great in the field and an above-average hitter none the less.
6. Gary Mattews Jr.-The highlight reels help alot. 194 hits in 147 games and a .313 BA is also worth a mention.
7. Johny Damon- Has power, has speed, has hits. Although he does not have an arm, at all.. He still has great range.
8. Kenny Lofton- Hardly strikes out. The man is 40 and still has stole 32 bases. .301 BA and 12 triples is pretty dang nice.
9. Juan Pierre- His OBP could definetly be better for a lead off man, but he hits for a high average, tons of speed, played all 162 games, 204 hits, strikes out very rarely, but his defense could use some work.
10. Jim Edmonds- I don't care how bad he did last season. This man is a beast in the field. 9 Gold gloves and several seasons with above 30 homeruns. Also he takes some of the best routes, if not the best, in the MLB. Edmonds is very underrated, in my opinion. Or maybe, my username just says it all.

Off topic Edit:

I really don't see how Todd Helton didn't make the top 10 1st basemen. I wouldn't have had him ahead of Carlos and behind Justin.

Yankee Legend

01-12-2007, 10:06 PM

Thanks a lot Chris. We'll use your polls for now on if you want.

MadHatter

01-12-2007, 10:20 PM

3. Gary Matthews- The highlight reels help alot. 194 hits in 147 games and a .313 BA is also worth a mention.
5. Andruw Jones- 9 Gold Gloves and incredible power.

I would HAVE to flip-flop Matthews and Jones... in fact, move Matthews down a few more notches. Maybe put Coco Crisp in there.

Jobu

01-12-2007, 11:15 PM

1. Andruw Jones
2. Vernon Wells
3. Grady Sizemore
4. Carlos Beltran
5. Johnny Damon
6. Torii Hunter
7. Jim Edmonds
8. Juan Pierre
9. Curtis Granderson
10. Chone Figgins

Beastay

01-13-2007, 03:24 AM

1. Andruw Jones (plays like Mays... hits like Schmidt)
2. Vernon Wells (underrated but not underpaid)
3. Carlos Beltran (Needs to put together a few more like last year to get the #1 spot)
4. Johnny Damon (handles the pressure well... good clutch hitter, crappy arm.)
5. Torii Hunter (makes both incredible plays and incredible errors)
6. Jim Edmonds (his #1 fan said it best)
7. Grady Sizemore (see Beltran comment)
8. Chone Figgins (kills my Yankees... needs to learn how to spell "Sean")
9. Mike Cameron (never met a pitch he didn't like)
10. Juan Pierre (makes contact... doesn't strike out or walk much)

Yankee Legend

01-13-2007, 12:04 PM

1. Andruw Jones-The best defensive CFer and has a lot of power. Although his average is bad, compared to other CFers he's the best.
2. Vernon Wells-Great bat combined with good defense. There's nothing more you can ask.
3. Carlos Beltran-He has a good bat but in a reat lineup. His K/AB is too high though. He's like Andruw Jones except not as good defensively.
4. Johnny Damon-Would be higher if his defense was better.
5. Grady Sizemore-Another good combination of offense and defense.
6. Torii Hunter-His amazing defense still is more valuable than his mediocre bat.
7. Gary Mathews, Jr.-Kinda overrated.
8. Jim Edmonds-He has been one of the top CFers the last 3-4 yrs.
9. Juan Pierre-He's a good lead-off hitter but should have a higher OBP.
10. Kenny Lofton-Career points for him but is still one of the best lead-off men.

ChrisLDuncan

01-13-2007, 12:24 PM

Carlos Beltran
Andruw Jones
Vernon Wells
Mike Cameron
Torii Hunter
Grady Sizemore
Johnny Damon
Gary Matthews Jr
Curtis Granderson
Juan Pierre

Future:Greatest2BofAll-Time

01-13-2007, 12:35 PM

1. Vernon Wells
2. Andrew Jones
3. Carlos Beltran
4. Johnny Damon
5. Juan Pierre
6. Jim Edmonds
7. Grady Sizemore
8. Torii Hunter
9. Chone Figgins
10. Dave Roberts

AznInvasion

01-13-2007, 12:47 PM

1. Andruw Jones
2. Carlos Beltran
3. Vernon Wells
4. Grady Sizemore
5. Johnny Damon
6. Curtis Granderson
7. Gary Matthews Jr.
8. Juan Pierre
9. Chone Figgins
10. Mike Cameron

Tacosaregood/metsguy234

01-13-2007, 08:58 PM

1-Carlos Beltran
2- Andruw Jones
3-Vernon Wells
4- Johhny Damon
5- Juan Pierre
6- Torii Hunter
7- Coco Crisp
8-Gary Matthews Jr.
9- Dave Roberts
10- Grady Sizemore

ChrisLDuncan

01-13-2007, 09:02 PM

6. Curtis Granderson-Ballhawk in center. Showed power in postseason.
7. Gary Matthews Jr.-See Vernon Wells. And he's on the wrong side of 30.
8. Johnny Damon-Overrated, but still had arguably best hitting season yet in 2006.
9. Torii Hunter-Mediocre offense, real good defense. Decent player, I remember his 2002 ASG catch off Bonds like it was yesterday.
10. Dave Roberts-Will be remembered here in MA for a long time. Decent leadoff man.

With you having Granderson AND Gary Matthews Jr over Damon, I might say that he's underrated.

NYMets523

01-13-2007, 09:28 PM

1) Carlos Beltran
2) Andruw Jones
3) Mike Cameron
4) Vernon Wells
5) Grady Sizemore
6) Torii Hunter
7) Juan Pierre
8) Curtis Granderson
9) Johnny Damon
10) Gary Matthews Jr.

cavalier1968

01-13-2007, 11:10 PM

1. Grady Sizemore...if hes not in yer top 3....um try another sport
2. Vernon Wells
3. Carlos Beltran
4. Andruw Jones
5. Johnny Damon
6. Torii Hunter
7. Mike Cameron
8. Ryan Freel
9. Juan Pierre
10. Jim Edmunds

Blackout

01-14-2007, 03:48 PM

1. Grady Sizemore
2. Andruw Jones
3. Johnny Damon
4. Carlos Beltran
5. Vernon Wells
6. Torii Hunter
7. Mike Cameron
8. Jim Edmonds
9. Juan Pierre
10. Gary Mathews Jr.

EvanAparra

01-14-2007, 04:27 PM

How do you figure putting Damon above Beltran?

Yankee Legend

01-14-2007, 05:31 PM

Beltran would be the best CFer if his average was better. And Damon is developing some power.

EvanAparra

01-14-2007, 05:37 PM

Beltran would be the best CFer if his average was better. And Damon is developing some power.

Average is incredibly overrated if you are just looking at that as the only reason. Beltran's OBP was better than Damon's and he has MUCH more power. Damon's slugging only got higher this past year because of the move to Yankee stadium. He's not 'developing' more power, it is being given to him.
Add that to Beltran being better defensively, Beltran being a better basestealer, and Damon having no throwing arm whatsoever and I dont see a case for Damon being better than Beltran, ESPECIALLY if you are going by last year alone.

SoxSon

01-14-2007, 06:05 PM

How do you figure putting Damon above Beltran?

Amazing how Damon's ranking has skyrocketed with Yankee fans the last couple of years, eh? :p :D

I agree, though...Beltran seems pretty clearly the stronger of the two, IMO.

EvanAparra

01-14-2007, 06:08 PM

I remember it wasn't long ago when I was scoffed at by Yankee fans when I said Damon was a premier lead-off hitter.... Now he's better than an MVP-caliber player? Yeesh...

NYMets523

01-14-2007, 06:34 PM

Amazing how Damon's ranking has skyrocketed with Yankee fans the last couple of years, eh? :p :D

I agree, though...Beltran seems pretty clearly the stronger of the two, IMO.

It's not a shock that a Yankee fan wouldn't admit a Met player is better.

cubsfan1073

01-14-2007, 08:31 PM

1. Vernon Wells-Good at basically everything and is only getting better
2. Grady Sizemore-If he had a little more pop, he could very well be number 1... great player
3. Carlos Beltran-Good five-tool player
4. Andruw Jones-A little overrated
5. Torii Hunter-A beast defensively
6. Juan Pierre-Underrated
7. Mike Cameron-Solid player
8. Johnny Damon-Overrated
9. Chone Figgins-Versatile player that is good at many things
10. Gary Matthews Jr.-If his 2007 is as good as his 2006 he will jump up considerably in my top 10

And if you care....
My 11 would be Ryan Freel and my 12 would be Jim Edmonds

538280

01-14-2007, 09:37 PM

I'm simply amazed that the guy with an 18 point OPS+ lead on the 2nd highest CF, is a great defensive CF, and was 18 for 21 as a basestealer is not being listed 1st by over half of the people here.

Damon BTW should not be playing CF anymore. He never got a particularly good jump on the ball, and he could always make up for that with speed, but now that much of his speed is gone he is a well below average CF. That was my rationale for putting him below Gary Matthews Jr. (who is almost the same hitter and a much better fielder), and Curtis Granderson who IMO is a great defensive CF despite not being as good offensively as Damon.

ChrisLDuncan

01-14-2007, 09:58 PM

I remember it wasn't long ago when I was scoffed at by Yankee fans when I said Damon was a premier lead-off hitter.... Now he's better than an MVP-caliber player? Yeesh...

Hey I always respected him...just hated him.

W_Marone

01-14-2007, 10:08 PM

Amazing how Damon's ranking has skyrocketed with Yankee fans the last couple of years, eh? :p :D

I agree, though...Beltran seems pretty clearly the stronger of the two, IMO.

I always thought Damon was up there in CF'ers before he became a yankee.

NYMets523

01-14-2007, 10:13 PM

His weak fielding was masked by the size of Fenway.

EvanAparra

01-15-2007, 01:50 AM

His weak fielding was masked by the size of Fenway.

Centerfield in Fenway is easy to play? Thats news to me... Damon was a pretty good fielder, banged into walls and caught a lot of balls he shouldnt have. Very good fielder in during his tenure in Boston IMO.

NYMets523

01-15-2007, 09:40 AM

Centerfield in Fenway is easy to play? Thats news to me... Damon was a pretty good fielder, banged into walls and caught a lot of balls he shouldnt have. Very good fielder in during his tenure in Boston IMO.

I'm referring more to his throwing ability. Fenway's CF is not very deep compared to other parks.

digglahhh

01-15-2007, 09:51 AM

I fail to see how Beltran is not running away with this.

Sizemore may have to potential to be the best of them all, but he is not yet there. If you were to argue you'd rather have him for the rest of his career than Beltran for the rest of his, that seems entirely reasonable. But as for being better right now, I can't see it.

Wells is basically just an inferior version of Beltran. Same type of hitter, not a switch hitter though and similar caliber defense, perhaps even slightly better. Beltran has only recently developed the plate discipline needed to be a truly elite player, he is a year older than Wells. Perhaps that development is on the horizon for Wells as well. But again, not right now.

Andruw Jones no longer plays the position at a level that rivals the best of all time and he is an inferior offensive player to Beltran.

Edmonds is a shadow of his former self.

Damon is inferior both as an offensive and defensive player.

Matthews had a nice season last year and is a good defensive CF, but has done nothing other than last season to suggest to me that he is a true offensive force.

Granderson is really good out there and has a lot of potential, nice power and speed, but is a poor contact hitter. He could get real good, real fast though.

ElHalo

01-15-2007, 09:53 AM

I remember it wasn't long ago when I was scoffed at by Yankee fans when I said Damon was a premier lead-off hitter.... Now he's better than an MVP-caliber player? Yeesh...

To start with, Damon is not a premier leadoff guy (the Yankees would be much better served with Derek Jeter leading off, who does everything Damon does but better), and he's certainly not an MVP caliber player... but neither is Beltran unless he can return to his old form. The current Carlos Beltran is not an MVP calibre player, but an All Star calibre player... maybe.

SamtheBravesFan

01-15-2007, 09:54 AM

Andruw Jones no longer plays the position at a level that rivals the best of all time and he is an inferior offensive player to Beltran.

And he's about to get a $19-20 million a year contract from some poor saps. ;)

ElHalo

01-15-2007, 09:58 AM

I fail to see how Beltran is not running away with this.

At this point in their careers, Sizemore is a better contact hitter than Beltran, a better base stealer, a better power hitter (with power encompassing 2B's and 3B's as well as HR's) and about as good of a fielder. The only advantage Beltran has is that he draws more walks, and that I really don't even trust. Beltran might have been better last year, but Beltran was atrocious in 2005, and I have a feeling that 2006 was a fluke, and 2005 Beltran is what we can expect to see from here on out. I expect Grady Sizemore to be the best player in the American League in 2007; I don't expect Beltran to be better than average (if he continues to play like he did in 2005, he might keep his starting spot throughout all of 2007).

ElHalo

01-15-2007, 09:59 AM

It's not a shock that a Yankee fan wouldn't admit a Met player is better.

I have no problem admitting that David Wright is better than ARod.

cubsfan1073

01-15-2007, 10:09 AM

I think Vernon Wells and Carlos Beltran are very similar except for the fact that Vernon Wells is entering his prime while Beltran is leaving it.

538280

01-15-2007, 12:04 PM

At this point in their careers, Sizemore is a better contact hitter than Beltran, a better base stealer, a better power hitter (with power encompassing 2B's and 3B's as well as HR's) and about as good of a fielder. The only advantage Beltran has is that he draws more walks, and that I really don't even trust. Beltran might have been better last year, but Beltran was atrocious in 2005, and I have a feeling that 2006 was a fluke, and 2005 Beltran is what we can expect to see from here on out. I expect Grady Sizemore to be the best player in the American League in 2007; I don't expect Beltran to be better than average (if he continues to play like he did in 2005, he might keep his starting spot throughout all of 2007).

Beltran last year had an 18 point edge on Sizemore in OPS+ and it didn't just have to do with his drawing walks. Sizemore's rel. BA this past year was 107 and Beltran's was 103. Big deal, Sizemore has a small edge but neither was really great. Power wise, I just don't get how you can call Sizemore better. Beltran's rel. SLG this past year was 138, rel. ISO was 192. Sizemore's rel. SLG was 123, ISO 152. Beltran was a distinctly supeiror power hitter, and that is including all extra base hits.

I think your claim that Sizemore will absolutely be better than Beltran next year and that Beltran's 2006 was a complete fluke is specious at best. Looking at Beltran's past performance, 2006 looks like a really good year for him, but then 2005 looks especially bad too. Realistically the most likely thing is that in 2005 Beltran underachieved and in 2006 Beltran overachieved. This year he should be headed for another regular Beltran year like 2003 or 2004. Honestly, what makes you think that this year was a fluke anymore than 2005 was a fluke?

I agree with digglahhh that I do not understand why Beltran is not running away with this. Like I said his OPS+ was only 18 points higher than the second guy (Sizemore), and he is a REALLY good fielder and baserunner too. I think there was an argument that he, and not Howard or Pujols, should have been NL MVP last year.

GiambiJuice

01-15-2007, 12:27 PM

1. Carlos Beltran
2. Vernon Wells
3. Grady Sizemore
4. Andruw Jones
5. Johnny Damon
6. Ken Griffey (when healthy)
7. Torii Hunter
8. Mike Cameron
9. Jim Edmonds
10. Corey Patterson

Erik Bedard

01-15-2007, 12:30 PM

If Griffey (when healthy) counts, he's no doubt #1. That said...

Beltran
Wells
Sizemore
Damon
Cameron
Jones
Hunter
Freel
Granderson
Matthews Jr.

ElHalo

01-15-2007, 12:33 PM

Power wise, I just don't get how you can call Sizemore better. Beltran's rel. SLG this past year was 138, rel. ISO was 192. Sizemore's rel. SLG was 123, ISO 152. Beltran was a distinctly supeiror power hitter, and that is including all extra base hits.

Sizemore had 92 XBH last year to lead everybody on the planet. Beltran had 80, and that was a fluky good year from him, while Sizemore can only improve.

I think your claim that Sizemore will absolutely be better than Beltran next year and that Beltran's 2006 was a complete fluke is specious at best. Looking at Beltran's past performance, 2006 looks like a really good year for him, but then 2005 looks especially bad too. Realistically the most likely thing is that in 2005 Beltran underachieved and in 2006 Beltran overachieved. This year he should be headed for another regular Beltran year like 2003 or 2004. Honestly, what makes you think that this year was a fluke anymore than 2005 was a fluke?

If you look at Beltran's overall numbers, his homers have been trending up, but his BA and OBP trended down drastically from 2003 to 2005. There's no reason to think that trend shouldn't be continuing. His speed has also been decreasing precipitously (only 35 SB's total in his two years with the Mets, although that might be due to a difference in team philosophy). His 2005 season seems much more in line with what we should be expecting from him in the future than his 2006 season. Just my opinion.

My predictions for both Beltran and Sizemore this year:

Beltran:
.260/.340/.510, 90 R, 95 RBI, 35 HR, 15 SB

Sizemore:
.300/.390/.580, 130 R, 90 RBI, 35 HR, 30 SB

538280

01-15-2007, 12:43 PM

Beltran's lack of steals has been due to the Mets philosophy. I remember in 2005 (and 2006, but less so because he was better overall) many fantasy baseball players were upset because the Mets weren't letting Beltran steal. Beltran was the best defensive CFer in the NL this past year by DWS, so I don't know that his speed is going, his outifled play isn't. Why should we think the trend downward in 2005 should continue. Really, with his performance this past year 2005 seems to be just a fluke. I think he may have overacheived this past year but I think he should return to 2004 levels this next year. Not as good as 2006 but still a really good player.

And total XBHs are not really a measure of total power. 2Bs and 3Bs should be included, but as two and three bases, not as the same as a HR. Weighting all XBH's properly Beltran had more power than Sizemore in 2006.

I do think it's reasonable BTW that Sizemore will be better in 2007. If Beltran goes back to 2003-2004 levels, then his OPS+ will be around 130. I think, given Sizemore's age, his OPS+ is more likely to go up from 135 than down.

digglahhh

01-15-2007, 04:48 PM

I think Vernon Wells and Carlos Beltran are very similar except for the fact that Vernon Wells is entering his prime while Beltran is leaving it.

Beltran is ONE year older than Wells. ONE!

digglahhh

01-15-2007, 04:51 PM

Beltran might have been better last year, but Beltran was atrocious in 2005, and I have a feeling that 2006 was a fluke, and 2005 Beltran is what we can expect to see from here on out... I don't expect Beltran to be better than average (if he continues to play like he did in 2005, he might keep his starting spot throughout all of 2007).

Welcome to BBF, Mr Francesa.

Yankee Legend

01-15-2007, 05:55 PM

It's interesting how once Damon joined the Yankees people started claiming he's overrated...:D

I think Beltran's better but Damon is not overrated. Beltran had so many rbi's this year because he had MVP caliber players around him (reyes, wright, delgado). These were guys who got on base before him. It also helped that Beltran was usually in the middle of the lineup. Damon is a lead-off hitter.

EvanAparra

01-15-2007, 06:00 PM

It's interesting how once Damon joined the Yankees people started claiming he's overrated...:D

People have been saying that for years. You were probably one of them when he was a Sox. Anyone that claims he's better than Beltran is definately overrating him.

I think Beltran's better but Damon is not overrated. Beltran had so many rbi's this year because he had MVP caliber players around him (reyes, wright, delgado). These were guys who got on base before him. It also helped that Beltran was usually in the middle of the lineup. Damon is a lead-off hitter.

Beltran had so many RBIs because he was a very good hitter. He slugged near .600. Put him and Damon in the same lineup spot and Beltran still has many more RBIs than Damon. It might also have something to do with Beltran hitting .320/.438/.721 with runners in scoring position, which is much better than what he does without... However, Damon hit an anemic .260/.338/.398 with RISP, which is, of course, pretty terrible.

NYMets523

01-15-2007, 06:05 PM