Back to N.Y?

[The Kid]

Does anyone think the Giants should move back to New York? I vote yes. The Giants just seem so wrong playing all the way across the country.

[overhandgas53]

Giants shouldn't go back to New York. There's too much of a legacy for both the Mets and Yankees. The NY Giants would have the least fans. Also, nobody in NY would want to root for them if Bonds is on the team.

[MSUlaxer27]

It's been 50 years. Although, if all are playing well NYC could support three teams. MLB would never allow it...

[Williamsburg2599]

Giants shouldn't go back to New York. There's too much of a legacy for both the Mets and Yankees. The NY Giants would have the least fans. Also, nobody in NY would want to root for them if Bonds is on the team.
The Giants and the Dodgers had a great legacy before the Mets showed up. I doubt the Giants would have the least amount of fans either, because the Giant fans still around and thier children would cheer for them, every loves a new team, and NY is big enough to have three teams, as proved from the late 1800's till the 60's. And Bonds would be past his playing days by the time the move happend, even if they start planning it now. But like MSUlaxer27 said, the MLB would never allow it, especally if they tried to rebuild the PG with it's original dimensions. But they would instantly become my second favorite team if they did.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

I propose a trade...

The Dodgers back to Brooklyn, the Giants back to Manhattan (both back to where they belong), the Mets to San Francisco or LA and for the city that is left without an MLB team, let's expand.:p

[EbtsFldGuy]

I vote no.

It just would not work out here now.

They are settled in SF, and most NYers would now regard them as strangers.

Too much time has passed, unlike the comparatively short period that the Raiders were out of Oakland.

Let's take our comfort from our memories of that unique rivalry that fueled us as kids so long ago.

[rcl986@aol.com]

Let's take our comfort from our memories of that unique rivalry that fueled us as kids so long ago.[/QUOTE]

Amen and Here! Here!!

[KCGHOST]

They are the S.F. Giants now.

[Elvis]

I propose a trade...

The Dodgers back to Brooklyn, the Giants back to Manhattan (both back to where they belong), the Mets to San Francisco or LA and for the city that is left without an MLB team, let's expand.:p


back where they belong?

And all non Native Americans in North America should go back where they belong too. It would make just as much sense and is just as likely to ever happen.

Brooklyn Dodgers are ancient history, just like Sammy Sosa, 3-cent stamps, pogs and rotary-dial phones. :D

[EvanAparra]

pogs

Oh pogs, I for one am GLAD those things are history.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

back where they belong?

And all non Native Americans in North America should go back where they belong too. It would make just as much sense and is just as likely to ever happen.

Brooklyn Dodgers are ancient history, just like Sammy Sosa, 3-cent stamps, pogs and rotary-dial phones. :D

Did you see the S-M-I-L-E-Y in my post? It means it was a joke... :D

Of course it will never happen, but still I would like it to happen.

If it would happen, would you still root for the Dodgers or would you root for another team? :confused:

[MattM]

They are the S.F. Giants now.

I don't think the Giants should come back. The Giants were baseballs team in the early 20'th century, but times changed, and they have made a home out west for some 49 years. The generations that grew up watching them are getting on in years, and in my own opinion, I don't think that a new generation would appreciate the history of the Giants if they were to return to NY. I mean honestly, how many kids know that the Giants played on 155'th in Harlem? Most kids that I come across, (I work in a sports memorabilia place part-time), don't know that the Mets played at the Polo Grounds.

Aside from that Steinbrenner would never want another team in NY. If it were up to him, the Mets probably woulnd't be in NY. I don't think Wilpon would want another team in NY either. Though New York could certainly support 3 teams, the Mets and Yanks brass wouldn't like the idea of another team taking away their ticket sales.

[mandrake]

Back in the late 1980's, my father (retired NYC cop/fireman) had a cushy job as a 'security' person at a major NYC hotel. Mainly, he had to keep 'undesireables' away from the elite. He would see stars, some of whom he never heard of (i.e Bono,Eric Clapton) and others that he knew of (Stallone, Tony Bennett). Anyway, one night a person was speaking to him at length about possibly moving his baseball team into the Meadowlands. This person introduced himself as Bob Laurie and had intricate details of a planned baseball stadium approx a mile away from Giants Stadium. The Giants would have jumped at the chance, but this person said that Steinbrenner would block anyone but the Yankees from moving in. This was never reported in the NY press, but I certainly believe my father. And he was die hard Brooklyn fan who could have cared less about the Jints coming home.

[Williamsburg2599]

Back in the late 1980's, my father (retired NYC cop/fireman) had a cushy job as a 'security' person at a major NYC hotel. Mainly, he had to keep 'undesireables' away from the elite. He would see stars, some of whom he never heard of (i.e Bono,Eric Clapton) and others that he knew of (Stallone, Tony Bennett). Anyway, one night a person was speaking to him at length about possibly moving his baseball team into the Meadowlands. This person introduced himself as Bob Laurie and had intricate details of a planned baseball stadium approx a mile away from Giants Stadium. The Giants would have jumped at the chance, but this person said that Steinbrenner would block anyone but the Yankees from moving in. This was never reported in the NY press, but I certainly believe my father. And he was die hard Brooklyn fan who could have cared less about the Jints coming home.
That's a great story, mandrake. Shows how much power Steinbrenner has.:mad:.

[Elvis]

Did you see the S-M-I-L-E-Y in my post? It means it was a joke... :D

Of course it will never happen, but still I would like it to happen.

If it would happen, would you still root for the Dodgers or would you root for another team? :confused:

Good question. Not sure. I used to be a Rams fan, but after they moved I stopped caring. I don't hate them or anything, just no interest. So if the Dodgers left, I probably would stop caring too. But that's as likely to happen as the Packers leaving Green Bay or Miami's Cubans praying for Castro to live forever. :D . The LOS ANGELES Dodgers are arguably the most successful sports franchises of the last 50 years.

[tonypug]

We must remember, Horace Stoneham was looking to move before he went west. He had asked permission to move to Mineapolis, where the Giants AAA farm team the Millers played. That was the real natural and logical place for the Giants to have moved to. Many of their players played at Mineapolis on their way to the Giants, including Willie Mays. Stoneham was turned down, because another National League owner had other plans in the works, and the Giants were part of those plans.

[mandrake]

We must remember, Horace Stoneham was looking to move before he went west. He had asked permission to move to Mineapolis, where the Giants AAA farm team the Millers played. That was the real natural and logical place for the Giants to have moved to. Many of their players played at Mineapolis on their way to the Giants, including Willie Mays. Stoneham was turned down, because another National League owner had other plans in the works, and the Giants were part of those plans.

True, Stoneham was thinking about Minneapolis/St Paul as a possibility. I have read that he also considered Jersey City as a temporary home. The JC Giants were a big deal at one time. My inlaws tell me the schools in Hudson County used to close for opening day. (Some players on a team called the Cuban Giants claimed Rooselvelt Stadium was much better for baseball than the Polo Grounds).

As soon as Stoneham chose SF over Minny, the Washington Senators started making plans to move. I have read several books that said Calvin Griffith decided to move to the Twin Cities when he found out there were only a few thousand Blacks living there. SORRY..I am just repeating this and I find hid comments undefendable. But that was his sentiment in 1957 when Griffith Stadium was stuck in the Howard University area.

[JamesWest]

We must remember, Horace Stoneham was looking to move before he went west. He had asked permission to move to Mineapolis, where the Giants AAA farm team the Millers played. That was the real natural and logical place for the Giants to have moved to. Many of their players played at Mineapolis on their way to the Giants, including Willie Mays. Stoneham was turned down, because another National League owner had other plans in the works, and the Giants were part of those plans.

I've read that the Giants already had the move to minneapolis in the works, when O'Malley contacted Stoneham. Even if Stoneham had said no and move to Minneapolis, I think O'malley would have found a team to move west with, probably the Pirates or the Redlegs. After the move west, there was talk that one of those two might relocate to New York

[JamesWest]

I have read that he also considered Jersey City as a temporary home. The JC Giants were a big deal at one time. My inlaws tell me the schools in Hudson County used to close for opening day. (Some players on a team called the Cuban Giants claimed Rooselvelt Stadium was much better for baseball than the Polo Grounds).

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This doens't sound likely. In the mid 1950s, the conventional wisdom was that TV was driving down baseball attendance. The Jersey City Giants couldn't compete with Major League broadcasts from New York. I think Stoneham was thinking of relocating to an area where he wouldn't have any local competition.

[tonypug]

I've read that the Giants already had the move to minneapolis in the works, when O'Malley contacted Stoneham. Even if Stoneham had said no and move to Minneapolis, I think O'malley would have found a team to move west with, probably the Pirates or the Redlegs. After the move west, there was talk that one of those two might relocate to New York
James, in 1957, it took a unanimous vote for a Bational League team to move. Stoneham applied for the move and it was voted down.You can bet O'Malley was behind the no vote. He already was commited to LA personally and was confident he could persuade Stoneham to go along. O'Malley was the one that brought San Francisco mayor George Christopher and Stoneham together.O'Malley would not have moved without the Giants, but like I said was confident Stoneham would go along with his plan.

[JamesWest]

James, in 1957, it took a unanimous vote for a Bational League team to move. Stoneham applied for the move and it was voted down.You can bet O'Malley was behind the no vote. He already was commited to LA personally and was confident he could persuade Stoneham to go along. O'Malley was the one that brought San Francisco mayor George Christopher and Stoneham together.O'Malley would not have moved without the Giants, but like I said was confident Stoneham would go along with his plan.

I wasn't aware that Stoneham had already applied to move to Minneapolis. Stoneham is quoted in Bums telling O'Malley that he was planning on moving and he thought the NL would let him, and this was when O'Malley proposed that they move together. I have a collection of 1957 Sporting News's, but they are several states away. I know that Stoneham announced the Giants move to SF during the 1957 season. TSN had a nice cartoon of a weeping Seal surrounded by a crowd of people excited about the Giants.

[tonypug]

I wasn't aware that Stoneham had already applied to move to Minneapolis.
He asked for permission to move after the 1956 season. After he was turned down he talked about possibly moving into Yakee Stadium as a tenant, but neve really persued that. He was also quietly offered the Flushing Meadow site, which is now Shea Stadium, after O'Malley turned it down. Stoneham declined saying "Queens and Long Island is Brooklyn Dodger territory." Many Queens and Long Island fans were in fact fans of the Brooklyn Dodgers. As many know, the Brooklyn Dodgers played seven games in 1956 and eight games in 1957 in Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City. In every game in Jersey they were booed, even though they were the "home" team. New Jersey was Giants and Yankees territory.

[ShortStop]

Never.
50 years is a long time and than NY is better off with the Yanks and Mets. It barely allows the Mets to get some attention on this town imagine a third team?

[Honus Wagner Rules]

It's interesting hwo many times the Giants "almost" moved. They almost moved to Minneapolis. They almost moved to Toronto in the late 1970s. They were going to move to Tampa/St Petersburg in 1993 before MLB took the team away from the Tampa/St. Petersburg group.

[tonypug]

It's interesting hwo many times the Giants "almost" moved. They almost moved to Minneapolis. They almost moved to Toronto in the late 1970s. They were going to move to Tampa/St Petersburg in 1993 before MLB took the team away from the Tampa/St. Petersburg group.
Yes and it was Peter O'Malley who was behind the move to keep the team in San Francisco.

[doug217]

Like it or not, the Giants and Dodgers will always remain on the west coast. Besides, the Mets have almost 50 years of tradition now. They are New York's team now.

[aqib]

I've said it before that eventually there will be a third team in the NY area. Its one of the few large metro areas that is growing in population and there is enough media there to make a third team profitable. Especially since the new stadiums are smaller then the ones they are replacing.

The Giants won't be that third team, they should have left the bay area because the debt for the stadium prevents them from ever really being able to build a team, while they could have gotten a free stadium elsewhere. Yeah they went to the WS back in 02 but the team was essentially all Barry Bonds. Say what you want about the guy but without him they would have never been anywhere and he only signed there because of the hometown connection.

Eventually Oakland will have to go because the area can't support two teams.

[six4three]

He asked for permission to move after the 1956 season. After he was turned down he talked about possibly moving into Yakee Stadium as a tenant, but neve really persued that. He was also quietly offered the Flushing Meadow site, which is now Shea Stadium, after O'Malley turned it down. Stoneham declined saying "Queens and Long Island is Brooklyn Dodger territory." Many Queens and Long Island fans were in fact fans of the Brooklyn Dodgers. As many know, the Brooklyn Dodgers played seven games in 1956 and eight games in 1957 in Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City. In every game in Jersey they were booed, even though they were the "home" team. New Jersey was Giants and Yankees territory.

The move to Minneapolis was being rumored as early as July of1955 (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00916F93D55107A93C3AA178CD85F41 8585F9&scp=1&sq=giants+minneapolis+move&st=p).

Even in July of 1957, Minneapolis was still being floated as a possibility (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F1061FFB35541A708DDDA80A94DF405B 8789F1D3&scp=117&sq=giants+minneapolis+move&st=p).

[westsidegrounds]

hah. we're getting negative comments from people with handles like "ebbetsfieldguy" or "futuremetspitcher", people with yahkee players as their avatars ... surfreakinprise.

[stejay]

They would have no fans. Also, where would they play? Plus, San Fran has a big fanbase their for the Giants. The are no pluses i'm afraid.

[stejay]

hah. we're getting negative comments from people with handles like "ebbetsfieldguy" or "futuremetspitcher", people with yahkee players as their avatars ... surfreakinprise.

They are not negative comments. It is the truth. The same reasons apply why the Dodgers should not move back to Brooklyn. It doesn't make sense anymore.

[aqib]

They would have no fans. Also, where would they play? Plus, San Fran has a big fanbase their for the Giants. The are no pluses i'm afraid.

San Fran doesn't have that huge of a fan base, remember they were almost the Toronto Giants, New Jersey Giants, San Jose Giants, and Tampa Bay Giants. They had a nice run with attendance due to Barry Bonds watch for that to drift downwards over the next few years.

[six4three]

Heck, you might as well say the same thing about the Mariners or White Sox. Doesn't mean that they can't succeed where they are.

[aqib]

Heck, you might as well say the same thing about the Mariners or White Sox. Doesn't mean that they can't succeed where they are.

The Mariners problem was simply they were really bad for a really long time. They still draw over over 30K a game despite the exodus of the franchise players (Griffey, AROD, Big Unit), San Fran meanwhile only broke 2 million in attendance 3 times before the current stadium (89 the world series year, 93 right after they avoided the move, and 99 the last year at Candle stick). They only averaged 30K once before the move (again 93). This year they are down 5K a game compared to last year. So I expect that downward trend to continue. I don't think its a coincidence that McGowan stepped down and maybe selling his shares.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

San Fran doesn't have that huge of a fan base, remember they were almost the Toronto Giants, New Jersey Giants, San Jose Giants, and Tampa Bay Giants. They had a nice run with attendance due to Barry Bonds watch for that to drift downwards over the next few years.

I'm a 30 year Giants fan and I can tell you the Giants do have a huge fan base. But having a huge fan base and have great attendance don't always go hand in hand. A good part of the Giants fan base is in the San Jose area which is about 45 miles south of San Francisco. And Barry Bonds was NOT the sole reason for the great attendance the past decade or so. The ballpark is beautiful and the Giants have had some really good teams since 2000.

[six4three]

For what it's worth, the Giants are 12th in MLB attendance at the moment, without Bonds and with a terrible club on the field.

[aqib]

For what it's worth, the Giants are 12th in MLB attendance at the moment, without Bonds and with a terrible club on the field.

Yeah but thats down 5K fans a game from last year. I also said the trend. Lets see where it is next year.

[Imgran]

Never.
50 years is a long time and than NY is better off with the Yanks and Mets. It barely allows the Mets to get some attention on this town imagine a third team?

I dunno, in that town, playing 19 games a season right in New York might work -- at least it had in the past -- and might even garner both NL teams more attention. It'd have to be done correctly though. If it was handled poorly it'd be a catastrophe and we'd wind up with 2 bad teams most of the time.

[mandrake]

I dunno, in that town, playing 19 games a season right in New York might work -- at least it had in the past -- and might even garner both NL teams more attention. It'd have to be done correctly though. If it was handled poorly it'd be a catastrophe and we'd wind up with 2 bad teams most of the time.


New Jersey would be a perfect spot for the Giants. Baseball is far more popular than hockey , and we have 3 teams in the NHL. The Rangers will always reign supreme here; the Isles had a dynasty and the Devils have won 3 cups, but the Rangers are still king. The Rangers are the Yankees (without 26 cups); the Mets are the Islanders; and the Giants could be the Devils.

If you put a baseball team in the Meadowlands, the fans will show up. Many people try to avoid tolls here in the NY area. Do most Americans realize that a round trip across Manhattan (4 miles of driving) can cost you $17 in tolls?
A third team could draw from NJ and Rockland/Orange Counties in NY. Now they are building a train station for the new football stadium in the meadowlands, and they are extending the light rail out there too.

[aqib]

New Jersey would be a perfect spot for the Giants. Baseball is far more popular than hockey , and we have 3 teams in the NHL. The Rangers will always reign supreme here; the Isles had a dynasty and the Devils have won 3 cups, but the Rangers are still king. The Rangers are the Yankees (without 26 cups); the Mets are the Islanders; and the Giants could be the Devils.

If you put a baseball team in the Meadowlands, the fans will show up. Many people try to avoid tolls here in the NY area. Do most Americans realize that a round trip across Manhattan (4 miles of driving) can cost you $17 in tolls?
A third team could draw from NJ and Rockland/Orange Counties in NY. Now they are building a train station for the new football stadium in the meadowlands, and they are extending the light rail out there too.

Is it really $17 now? I would think Newark or Jersey City would be better spots since they are both accessible via the Path

[mandrake]

Is it really $17 now? I would think Newark or Jersey City would be better spots since they are both accessible via the Path

The last time I went down there it was $9 rd trip at any of the TBA crossings (Throgs Neck, Whitestone, Triboro,Queens-Midtown, Brooklyn Battery, Verrazano) and I think the Port Authority raised theirs up to $8 .

I don't think Newark has the room. The new arena is nice but it is in a terrible place. I was walking outside, two blocks away, while my daughter attended a Hanna Montana concert and somebody was shot in Broad daylight. (On Broad Street and Market St 12/29 4pm). I would not go there at night.

Jersey City would have been ideal twenty years ago, especially on the waterfront over the abandoned rail yards. Or right on the old Colgate site. But that window has closed and the real estate is untouchable.

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

The [if you'll excuse the expression] San Francisco Giants aren't going anywhere, ever. If the Metropolitan Area is going to ever get a third team it will come from expansion.
New York should never have given up the names "Giants" and "Dodgers," let alone allow the teams to go, but that's not exactly new news. :noidea

[aqib]

The [if you'll excuse the expression] San Francisco Giants aren't going anywhere, ever. If the Metropolitan Area is going to ever get a third team it will come from expansion.
New York should never have given up the names "Giants" and "Dodgers," let alone allow the teams to go, but that's not exactly new news. :noidea

Well yeah that window closed. The 70s were one chance, late 80s were the other. The third team I think will happen eventually due to market/media size.

[solardee]

I hope the Giants move back eventually. I'm so sick of the Mets' circus and I am not happy at all about Citi Field's smaller capacity and Fred Wilpon's Brooklyn Dodgers infatuation. The Mets have become a rinky dink organization in recent years and their fan base is really not very loyal at all. A new ballpark in the Meadowlands for the Giants would be ideal. The Baseball Giants and the Football Giants back together again. The way it should be!

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

I hope the Giants move back eventually. I'm so sick of the Mets' circus and I am not happy at all about Citi Field's smaller capacity and Fred Wilpon's Brooklyn Dodgers infatuation. The Mets have become a rinky dink organization in recent years and their fan base is really not very loyal at all. A new ballpark in the Meadowlands for the Giants would be ideal. The Baseball Giants and the Football Giants back together again. The way it should be!
It would be nice. :-)

[solardee]

It would be nice. :-)

The IZOD Center will be useless once the Nets move away. That will leave plenty of room for a new ballpark in the Meadowlands. We can dream. :)

[Transic]

I was born in the 1970s. So the only Giants that I know of is the football team that plays in the Meadowlands. I mean, if someone told me that the Giants were thinking of moving to NY, my first reaction would be "You mean they're moving over from Jersey back to the city?"

Look, the city has drastically changed in fifty years. I think that the current generations and future generations will feel no emotion towards two baseball clubs from the past. Also, all this retro madness has run its course and we're best to look to the present and beyond.

Would I want another team in New York? Sure. I don't see why not, aside from the obvious anti-trust issue. However, it has to be done right and that includes taking into account the actual reality of the city as it is today. With all the Yankee-haters, would-be ex-Yankee fans, non-Yankee fans of all stripes and fans who are disgusted with the way the Yankees have treated them by dramatically raising prices and treating them like cattle, you have a natural base in which to build a core group of fans that would follow the new team and adopt them as their own. And what better way to re-ignite their passion in the game than to place the new team as an in-division rival to the Yankees? An AL East with the Yankees, Red Sox and a new AL NY team is much better than what it is today.

Now why AL and not NL? Reasons:

- The Mets have had fifty years to bring in fans from the old NL teams. If some of them will not adopt the Mets as their team after all this time, chances are they'll never adopt another team because they're not the teams that left the city.

- The Wilpons (or any future Met owners) may be persuaded into approving a new NY teams by convincing them that their primary rivals will be the Yankees (interleague play makes it all moot, anyway). The Mets would end up in the catbird seat as the only NL representative in town.

- If you are a new team and want to make a splash in NY, would you go after #2 or go for #1? 'Nuff said

- While theoretically they may succeed without making a deal with the Dolans, who could pass up the opportunity to have Cablevision to help market your team? Just as long as they don't get to be the owners of that team and just be a TV partner.

- Like I said, the number of people who are disgusted with the Yankees and want to beat them year-in, year-out far outnumber people who still miss the old NL teams today. It's been fifty years, folks.

- A new team would be an expansion team to fill in the last two possible slots in the AL. So new team, new history. A real chance for NY'ers to create a new identity and culture without the baggage of the past 50 years.

Now I recognize the difficulties in making this a reality. I think what would be critical is finding an individual who has the name cache plus dollars to back it up. Mark Cuban may be a possibility. Not the Dolans. Someone who could compete in the headlines with the Steinbrenners. The right combo at the start is a must because that would be the image of the new team for years on, in the minds of people.

[six4three]

You touch on the real reason why I think it has to be an NL team - a new AL team in New York will be the second-tier rival of the Yankees. They're not going to displace the Red Sox.

But the Mets... the Mets are a team without a true rival. Sure, there are teams that their fans don't like, and whose fans don't like them, but nothing on the level of Cardinals/Cubs, Giants/Dodgers or Yankees/Red Sox. Those provide something really special for the teams involved, and a local rival like that would do wonders to energize the Mets fanbase.

[nymetsgiantspolo]

You touch on the real reason why I think it has to be an NL team - a new AL team in New York will be the second-tier rival of the Yankees. They're not going to displace the Red Sox.

But the Mets... the Mets are a team without a true rival. Sure, there are teams that their fans don't like, and whose fans don't like them, but nothing on the level of Cardinals/Cubs, Giants/Dodgers or Yankees/Red Sox. Those provide something really special for the teams involved, and a local rival like that would do wonders to energize the Mets fanbase.

Agreed, couldn't have said it better myself.

[Transic]

You're looking at this from a sporting standpoint. It's beyond that. One has to consider the media, marketing and sociological aspects as well. I think the new AL team would scare the Steinbrenners much, much more than if this team became a glorified sparring partner to the Mets.

Imagine if this new NY team finishes ahead of the Yankees in a given season. It's one thing to have the Red Sox finish first in the division. They're the Red Sox. They're Boston and New England. But a team in New York ahead of the Yankees? Now we're talking attention-grabber! You gotta remember that this town is parochial. It would grate the Yanks to see another New York team win "their" division. Imagine the backpages of the New York dailies when they see this new upstart team finish ahead of the mighty Yankees. Imagine the desperation the Steinbrenners would go through to try to grab back the headlines from an upstart NY team, as opposed to the Red Sox. NY media ignores the Red Sox. They barely notice the Mets. They couldn't care less about the other 27 teams.

The problem with the Mets is that they still can't figure out whether they want to retain the image of a mom-and-pop operation or think of themselves as a big-city organization, which they actually are, de-facto. The Yankees would probably look down at the Mets and their potential sparring partner and think they're watching two schoolyard kids fighting. A NY team has to have a NY attitude. The right kind of ownership plus a fanbase ready to embrace them would do the trick, I believe.

A bit off-topic but in the case this new team goes to NJ...It would cost a pretty penny but how about taking over the Newport Mall and building a stadium there? It is not like there aren't thousands of similar malls in the state.

How about Staten Island? Not in New Jersey but close enough.

[Let's Go Mets!]

How about Staten Island?



Excellent idea! The only remaining borough that has land. Then we'd have 3 NYC teams as before.

There was almost a NASCAR stadium on Staten Island. I could see a big league ball park.

However, the hurdle is the Mets & Yankees.

[nymetsgiantspolo]

Excellent idea! The only remaining borough that has land. Then we'd have 3 NYC teams as before.

There was almost a NASCAR stadium on Staten Island. I could see a big league ball park.

However, the hurdle is the Mets & Yankees.

If that were ever to happen, you would NEED to extend some sort of subway there.... the Staten Island Ferry wouldn't do it.

From what I know, the 1 subway line was nearly extended there, but it was voted down.... by the people of Staten Island.

[six4three]

If that were ever to happen, you would NEED to extend some sort of subway there.... the Staten Island Ferry wouldn't do it.

Which is why it couldn't, and shouldn't, happen.

[dodger dynamo]

I'm afraid if the giants came back instead of the dodgers there'd be such an expolsion!. What no one remembers is that three teams in new york, surrvived during the depression. The same depression where the nation almost starved to death, yet New york had three teams that didn't fold. The Giants and yankees who were extremely successful and the "Brooklyn" Dodgers. Just the distinction of having Two new york teams and one in brooklyn is enough of a difference. I know, I know it's part of new york. Well, in our minds the State anyway. We who are from there always thought of it as seperate. The dodgers or a brooklyn expansion team must be in place in brooklyn before the giants have even a hope, Three teams could work, four teams, no. Battlin bake, the dodger dynamo

[six4three]

Given that no Major League clubs went under during the Depression, I think that speaks more to the relative strength of MLB than the New York clubs themselves.

[dodger dynamo]

Exactly and their more profitable now than ever before, hence the salaries they pay. Even the browns didn't go under! The New york teams, with fewer people back then did alright. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo