Why is this not around anymore?

[punker268]

It's so retarded. Women can only show their stuff in pro Basketball.

[bluezebra]

What's not around anymore?

Bob

[Williamsburg2599]

What's not around anymore?

Bob
I think their talking about the AAGPBL.

[Dodgerfan1]

It's so retarded. Women can only show their stuff in pro Basketball.

Are you talking about the AAGPBL? Why is it not around anymore? Is this a serious question, or are you joking? I am sincerely asking.

As for women only being able to show their stuff in pro basketball, that's not true. They show their stuff pretty well in pro beach volleyball, too. :o

[NotAboutEgo]

It's so retarded. Women can only show their stuff in pro Basketball.

What's retarded? Perhaps if you did a little research on the AAGPBL and women's baseball, you would know the answers. The AAGPBL was created during WWII when male pro players and men were sent to war. It gave women the opportunity to play the game and make money doing it, and it was created to keep baseball going in the U.S. during this time. When the war ended and the men who were overseas came back home, Wrigley didn't want to financially support the league anymore. It has nothing to do with the abilities of women to play the game or any other sport. It's called politics and capitalism and domination.

Are you sure the only way women can "show their stuff" is in pro basketball? Do you have any experience playing with/against women in sports and watching them play other sports? I highly doubt it. So, are you saying, females ONLY have the capability to play basketball but no other sport, and are you saying that female athletes such as female Olympians are nothing but a farce?

[KCGHOST]

Sounds like that this is a real chance for a businessman of your acumen to get this going again. There is no better way to make a killing than to be smarter than everyone else.

[NotAboutEgo]

Sounds like that this is a real chance for a businessman of your acumen to get this going again. There is no better way to make a killing than to be smarter than everyone else.

While it's true that there's no better way to make a living than to be smarter (and braver) than everyone else, the women's baseball teams and leagues of today are not being formed to make a profit for someone.... the very reason Wrigley created the AAGPBL. They are being created by men and women who are passionate about helping women and girls get the chance to play baseball. The women who play on those teams and in those leagues are serious about playing and aren't interested in being "novelty" items for the owners of teams.

While many women got to live their dreams of playing baseball and making somewhat of a living doing it, Wrigley tried to cash in on women's baseball at the players' expense. The female players were forced (if they wanted to continue playing pro baseball in the AAGPBL) to take etiquette classes so they looked ladylike and proper while on the diamond and off the diamond. When the war was over with and the soldiers returned home, Wrigley decided there would be no market for the AAGPBL anymore, so the league eventually folded.

This type of league is created by the capitalist for the capitalist... not by the pure intentions of creating teams and leagues for women who want to play baseball. The teams and leagues of today are being created by women who love the game and who want to play it and by men who are supportive of this.

If someone were to set out and start a women's baseball league as a way of making money for themself (or for their company) and not for simply providing women with more baseball opportunities, it would be interesting to see where/how far it would go. Would it be similar to MLB? If women were being taken advantage of in a big way and were looked at as novelty items and were being made a mockery of, I doubt it would last long at all... if at all.

There have been some men's independent minor league teams that have contacted current women's teams/leagues to set up games between them. The owners/organizers of the women's teams and leagues have declined, because they see it as a way for the men's teams to get publicity from it. We aren't interested in that in the least.

If someone is truly and purely interested in helping provide opporunities for females to play baseball, money would not come into play at all except for figuring out how to pay the expenses of a team. If this "someone" has the money to support it, then money would be of no issue at all.

[Captain Cold Nose]

What's retarded? Perhaps if you did a little research on the AAGPBL and women's baseball, you would know the answers. The AAGPBL was created during WWII when male pro players and men were sent to war. It gave women the opportunity to play the game and make money doing it, and it was created to keep baseball going in the U.S. during this time. When the war ended and the men who were overseas came back home, Wrigley didn't want to financially support the league anymore. It has nothing to do with the abilities of women to play the game or any other sport. It's called politics and capitalism and domination.

Are you sure the only way women can "show their stuff" is in pro basketball? Do you have any experience playing with/against women in sports and watching them play other sports? I highly doubt it. So, are you saying, females ONLY have the capability to play basketball but no other sport, and are you saying that female athletes such as female Olympians are nothing but a farce?
Maybe it's me, but I think punker is saying it's wrong to have such limited pro team opportunities for women. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, of course, but I sense a little umbrage there.

[NotAboutEgo]

Maybe it's me, but I think punker is saying it's wrong to have such limited pro team opportunities for women. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, of course, but I sense a little umbrage there.

Perhaps I perceived the topic incorrectly. I apologize for that if that's the case. Perhaps a little more explanation from Punker could have clarified this. While the WNBA may be one of the few pro sports that women can show their stuff in and while women would like to have more opportunities than they have, it's not the only way to show their stuff.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Perhaps I perceived the topic incorrectly. I apologize for that if that's the case. Perhaps a little more explanation from Punker could have clarified this. While the WNBA may be one of the few pro sports that women can show their stuff in and while women would like to have more opportunities than they have, it's not the only way to show their stuff.
We're all guessing. The first post isn't exactly worded so well, so it could be I am wrong.
Either way, your last sentence is so very true.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

There have been some men's independent minor league teams that have contacted current women's teams/leagues to set up games between them. The owners/organizers of the women's teams and leagues have declined, because they see it as a way for the men's teams to get publicity from it. We aren't interested in that in the least.


Would it not be good publicity for the female team as well? Imagine if the women's team beat the men's team! The media would go crazy over it. Maybe that's what female baseball needs, some publicity.

[NotAboutEgo]

Would it not be good publicity for the female team as well? Imagine if the women's team beat the men's team! The media would go crazy over it. Maybe that's what female baseball needs, some publicity.

I understand what you're saying, but why can't females get publicity for playing against females? Why does it have to be a case of women playing against men? Also, women are interested in being supported in a sincere way rather than by being made into novelty items. It cheapens women and the sport as well. It's basically using a group of people so that another group can get some publicity out of it.

Would males like getting publicity in this way for something? I'm not being a hard ass here but just introducing the idea of seeing things from more than one perspective. If one group is serious about something and is taken advantage by another group just to get publicity, would the group being taken advantage of be happy with it?

It's better to have no publicity at all than to have "negative" publicity. Also, women are interested in playing in their own leagues against other women's teams and not playing against men's teams.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I agree. It would seem "gimmicky", and would seem like a novelty game. It would be great if media gave attention to women who genuinely want to start a league where women play against women. But I don't see it happening. I think that playing a game against men would be the fastest way to gain publicity, and it could be done in a non-cheap way.

If the female players went into it treating it as a serious game, stating that they are doing it to raise awareness about female baseball, the media would notice. And if the women won, they could make a big case for having their own league and such.

People say that there's no such thing as bad publicity. In this instance, you could say that it would at least help people realize that women's baseball is out there and that the women are serious about it.

[NotAboutEgo]

I agree. It would seem "gimmicky", and would seem like a novelty game. It would be great if media gave attention to women who genuinely want to start a league where women play against women. But I don't see it happening. I think that playing a game against men would be the fastest way to gain publicity, and it could be done in a non-cheap way.

If the female players went into it treating it as a serious game, stating that they are doing it to raise awareness about female baseball, the media would notice. And if the women won, they could make a big case for having their own league and such.

People say that there's no such thing as bad publicity. In this instance, you could say that it would at least help people realize that women's baseball is out there and that the women are serious about it.

I agree that it could be done in a serious way... from both the men's and women's teams perspectives. There will always be someone out there who will take it wrong and who will see it as a mockery, but that's their problem if they are so closed-minded.

If a men's team approached a women's team or league about playing each other (this has happened recently), what would be in it for the men's team? Just curious.

Also, one has to ask, if a women's team whose players might play 12-15 games a season and practice when they can (usually 1-2 times a week) and don't have all the resources (fields, coaches, other luxuries) that a men's minor league team has, would it be a fair matchup? Not saying that women can't compete with men, but these things have to be considered. If a men's rec league team that played the same amount of games as a women's team, practiced around the same amount of times per week and had similar resources played a women's team of a similar level, then it would be more of a fair matchup.

[Brian McKenna]

Perhaps I perceived the topic incorrectly. I apologize for that if that's the case. Perhaps a little more explanation from Punker could have clarified this. While the WNBA may be one of the few pro sports that women can show their stuff in and while women would like to have more opportunities than they have, it's not the only way to show their stuff.

Perhaps the kid is 12 years old and a little more understanding could have constructively led the discussion.

[CarmelPitcher]

if a chick is good enough, there is no reason why she cant play in MLB, but thats the thing, chicks arnt just physically good enough for it.

[punker268]

What's retarded? Perhaps if you did a little research on the AAGPBL and women's baseball, you would know the answers. The AAGPBL was created during WWII when male pro players and men were sent to war. It gave women the opportunity to play the game and make money doing it, and it was created to keep baseball going in the U.S. during this time. When the war ended and the men who were overseas came back home, Wrigley didn't want to financially support the league anymore. It has nothing to do with the abilities of women to play the game or any other sport. It's called politics and capitalism and domination.

Are you sure the only way women can "show their stuff" is in pro basketball? Do you have any experience playing with/against women in sports and watching them play other sports? I highly doubt it. So, are you saying, females ONLY have the capability to play basketball but no other sport, and are you saying that female athletes such as female Olympians are nothing but a farce?
I know that. I saw A league of their own.
I just think that someone should bring it back

[punker268]

While it's true that there's no better way to make a living than to be smarter (and braver) than everyone else, the women's baseball teams and leagues of today are not being formed to make a profit for someone.... the very reason Wrigley created the AAGPBL. They are being created by men and women who are passionate about helping women and girls get the chance to play baseball. The women who play on those teams and in those leagues are serious about playing and aren't interested in being "novelty" items for the owners of teams.

While many women got to live their dreams of playing baseball and making somewhat of a living doing it, Wrigley tried to cash in on women's baseball at the players' expense. The female players were forced (if they wanted to continue playing pro baseball in the AAGPBL) to take etiquette classes so they looked ladylike and proper while on the diamond and off the diamond. When the war was over with and the soldiers returned home, Wrigley decided there would be no market for the AAGPBL anymore, so the league eventually folded.

This type of league is created by the capitalist for the capitalist... not by the pure intentions of creating teams and leagues for women who want to play baseball. The teams and leagues of today are being created by women who love the game and who want to play it and by men who are supportive of this.

If someone were to set out and start a women's baseball league as a way of making money for themself (or for their company) and not for simply providing women with more baseball opportunities, it would be interesting to see where/how far it would go. Would it be similar to MLB? If women were being taken advantage of in a big way and were looked at as novelty items and were being made a mockery of, I doubt it would last long at all... if at all.

There have been some men's independent minor league teams that have contacted current women's teams/leagues to set up games between them. The owners/organizers of the women's teams and leagues have declined, because they see it as a way for the men's teams to get publicity from it. We aren't interested in that in the least.

If someone is truly and purely interested in helping provide opporunities for females to play baseball, money would not come into play at all except for figuring out how to pay the expenses of a team. If this "someone" has the money to support it, then money would be of no issue at all.
Sounds like your part of it which is cool

I just feel bad because my 9 year old neice's dream is to be the first girl in the MLB

[punker268]

if a chick is good enough, there is no reason why she cant play in MLB, but thats the thing, chicks arnt just physically good enough for it.

That isn't always a factor. Some are physically like guys

[Captain Cold Nose]

Sounds like your part of it which is cool

I just feel bad because my 9 year old neice's dream is to be the first girl in the MLB
There's no reason to think it's impossible. But it's one step at a time. It took the NBA to actually back the WNBA for it to happen. Women's baseball needs the right break to be taken seriously, because there are too many totally dismissive without actually bothering to look into what actually is going on with women's baseball.

[NotAboutEgo]

Sounds like your part of it which is cool

I just feel bad because my 9 year old neice's dream is to be the first girl in the MLB

Tell your niece to keep playing baseball and don't listen to people tell her she should play softball instead, if that happens. Anyone can accomplish their dreams if they stick to them. Maybe she won't be in MLB, but maybe she will play professional women's baseball someday, which is even better for her and other females. I had that same dream myself. It will never happen, but I play competitive baseball with both females and males, and I have had the best experiences and some really cool opportunities. I would never give those experiences up for anything.

Perhaps your niece will grow up to become one of the pioneers of professional women's baseball... and/or perhaps, she will have the opportunity to play it. There are a lot of things happening in women's baseball now, including collegiate teams being formed. By the time she's in college, there will be collegiate women's teams.

Tell your niece not to stop dreaming...

[NotAboutEgo]

if a chick is good enough, there is no reason why she cant play in MLB, but thats the thing, chicks arnt just physically good enough for it.

Do you know that for fact? Most men aren't good enough, either.

[NotAboutEgo]

There's no reason to think it's impossible. But it's one step at a time. It took the NBA to actually back the WNBA for it to happen. Women's baseball needs the right break to be taken seriously, because there are too many totally dismissive without actually bothering to look into what actually is going on with women's baseball.

Exactly. It took the WNBA or women's pro basketball (I forget which one it is) something like 12 years to stick. There were women's pro leagues before the WNBA that didn't survive (probably because of not having financial backing from the NBA and other similar organizations). Basically, it took people to break down the stereotypes and gender barriers in order for it to happen, and the same thing needs to happen with women's baseball and other women's sports. The stereotypes, egotism, and selfishness, etc. have got to go. That is what holds pro women's baseball and other things back from happening.

[BeerBatter]

If there was a woman who could bat .300, hit 10 HR, 80 RBI's... or pitch in the low 90's with decent stuff, she would be playing in the MLB. Look what the PGA did for Michelle Wie. Or NBA vs. WNBA. They just aren't the same.
I don't think MLB is strictly for the best male players but for the best players period.
Now I know I'm going to come off politicaly inncorrect, but I don't find women's sports to be nearly as entertaining as men's sports. I know for a fact I am not the only one. The majority of fans want to see homeruns, 100MPH pitches, and collisions at home plate. I don't know of one woman who could do this.
However, punky, if your neice can compete...well, I hope to see her in a Brewers uniform in the future.