BBF All Decade Team: 1990-1999

[DoubleX]

We're going to try this one more time and hope that starting recently draws more interest.

Before you vote, I implore you to read the voting rules first, just to make sure that all ballots are the same format. So here are the rules:

General Format: Pick your A and B team for the decade. A players will receive 10 points and B players will receive 5 points. The positional player with the most cumulative points that does not win a position outright, will make the final team as an extra. Elections will last one week and you can change your ballot at anytime before the end, just shoot me a PM if you do make changes.

Infielders: Pick 1 A player and 1 B player for C, 1B, 2B, SS, and 3B.

Outfielders:Pick 3 A outfielders and 3 B outfielders. Your A team must have at least 1 CFer, and you must have at least 2 CFers between your A and B teams (your B team does not have to have a CFer if your A team has 2 or more).

Pitchers: Pick 4 A SP and 4 B SP. For the 1960s-1990s, pick 1 A RP and 1 B RP

Wild Cards: Pick 1 additional positional player for your A and B teams. This player can be a DH, this player can be a player without a real identifiable position for the decade, or this player can be the next best positional player that you didn't already vote for on your A and B teams. In this last case, if the player has an identifiable position, he will not receive points at that position, just points in general. This is because the player with the most cumulative points that does not win an outright position, will be added to the team as an extra. For example, if I vote for Jeff Bagwell at 1B and Frank Thomas as a WC, Bagwell will get 10 points towards winning 1B and Thomas will get 10 points in general, but that will not count towards 1B for him.

Eligibility: A player must have appearead in at least 6 seasons during the decade. Use your best judgment to determine if a player played significantly enough in those 6 seasons (i.e. don't vote for players that only have 6 seasons because of a few seasons with some callup appearances). Players are also eligible for multiple decades as it is a testament to their greatness if they can make more than one decade.

SAMPLE BALLOT
A = 10 Points
B = 5 Points

C: A, B
1B: A, B
2B: A, B
SS: A, B
3B: A, B
OF: A, B - Must have at least 1 CFer on A team and at least 2 CFers in total between A and B teams (B team does not need a CFer if A team has 2 or more).
OF: A, B
OF: A, B
WC: A, B - May be a DH, player without an identifiable position, utility player, or next best positional player.

SP: A, B
SP: A, B
SP: A, B
SP: A, B
RP: A, B - Will only be used for 1960s-1990s

[DoubleX]

C: Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Jeff Bagwell, Fred McGriff
2B: Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio
SS: Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken Jr
3B: Matt Williams, Robin Ventura
OF: Barry Bonds, Larry Walker
OF: Ken Griffey Jr, Tony Gwynn
OF: Albert Belle, Bernie Williams
WC: Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez

SP: Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez
SP: Greg Maddux, Mike Mussina
SP: Randy Johnson, David Cone
SP: Tom Glavine, Kevin Brown
RP: John Wetteland, Dennis Eckersley

[torez77]

I'll post my ballot later on, gotta get to work, but I think to draw more interest, you might PM some people and encourage them to participate.

[dgarza]

C: Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Jeff Bagwell, Mark Grace
2B: Roberto Alomar, Chuck Knoblauch
SS: Barry Larkin, Jay Bell
3B: Robin Ventura, Matt Williams
OF: Barry Bonds, Larry Walker
OF: Ken Griffey Jr, Steve Finley
OF: Tony Gwynn, Albert Belle
WC: Frank Thomas, Rafael Palmiero

SP: Greg Maddux, Kevin Brown
SP: Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina
SP: Roger Clemens, Chuck Finley
SP: Tom Glavine, David Cone
RP: John Wetteland, Jeff Montgomery

[leecemark]

C: Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Jeff Bagwell, Fred McGriff
2B: Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio
3B: Robin Ventura, Chipper Jones
SS: Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken
LF: Barry Bonds (player of the decade), Albert Belle
CF: Ken Griffey Jr, Bernie Williams
RF: Tony Gwynn, Larry Walker
WC: Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez
SP: Greg Maddux (pitcher of the decade), Randy Johnson
SP: Roger Clemens, Kevin Appier
SP: Tom Glavine, Kevin Brown
SP: David Cone, Pedro Martinez
RP: John Wetteland, Dennis Eckersley

[Mariano_Rivera]

The problem with the '90's is obvious, and it stops me from casting a ballot in this one.

[cubsfan1073]

C: Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell
2B: Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio
SS: Barry Larkin, Ca; Ripken
3B: Robin Ventura, Matt Williams
OF: Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds
OF: Tony Gwyn, Bernie Williams
OF: Sammy Sosa, Larry Walker
WC: Mark Grace, Brady Anderson

SP: Tom Glavine, John Smoltz
SP: Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens
SP: Mike Mussina, Ramon Martinez
SP: Randy Johnson, Kevin Appier
RP: John Franco, Dennis Eckersley

[Erik Bedard]

The problem with the '90's is obvious, and it stops me from casting a ballot in this one.

I'm struggling with whether to include McGwire, Bonds, Canseco, and Caminiti. Of course, none of them probably deserve it anyway, except Bonds.

[DoubleX]

C: Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Jeff Bagwell, Fred McGriff
2B: Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio
3B: Robin Ventura, Chipper Jones
SS: Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken
LF: Barry Bonds (player of the decade), Albert Belle
CF: Ken Griffey Jr, Bernie Williams
RF: Tony Gwynn, Larry Walker
WC: Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez
SP: Greg Maddux (pitcher of the decade), Randy Johnson
SP: Roger Clemens, Kevin Appier
SP: Tom Glavine, Kevin Brown
SP: David Cone, Pedro Martinez
RP: John Wetteland, Dennis Eckersley

Heh - kind of pushing it there with Jones - 3 ABs in 1993 to give him appearances in 6 seasons. But I won't begrudge the choice, Jones had five full and very productive years, so I think him getting by on the technicality is ok here. :)

[yanks0714]

C > Mike Piazza / Ivan Rodriguez
1B > Jeff Bagwell / Frank Thomas
2B > Robbie Alomar / Craig Biggio
3B > Chipper Jones / Matt Williams
SS > Cal Ripken / Barry Larkin
OF > Barry Bonds / Albert Belle
CF > Ken Griffey Jr / Bernie Williams
OF > Tony Gwynn / Larry Walker
WC > Sammy Sosa / Edgar Martinez
SP > Pedro Martinez / Randy Johnson
SP > Roger Clemens / Tom Glavine
SP > Greg Maddux / Kevin Brown
SP > Mike Mussina / John Smoltz
RP > Dennis Eckersley / John Franco

[leecemark]

Heh - kind of pushing it there with Jones - 3 ABs in 1993 to give him appearances in 6 seasons. But I won't begrudge the choice, Jones had five full and very productive years, so I think him getting by on the technicality is ok here. :)


--If we had done a 2000's team (next time we we've got a fuller decade:) ) I probably would have skipped Jones on the 90s squad, but given the lack of great options I thought half a decade of Chipper would be a good choice.

[DoubleX]

Just a friendly reminder, you can edit your ballot at any time until voting end. Just please send me a PM if you do.

[DoubleX]

The problem with the '90's is obvious, and it stops me from casting a ballot in this one.

There will be problems with lots of decades, for instance - the 60s because of the pitching rule or all decades before the 50s because of integration. We just got to do the best we can and make adjustments based on our personal beliefs.

[538280]

C: MIke Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell
2B: Craig Biggio, Roberto Alomar
3B: Chipper Jones, Robin Ventura
SS: Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken
OF: Barry Bonds, Albert Belle
CF: Ken Griffey Jr, Bernie Williams
OF: Tony Gwynn, Rickey Henderson
WC: Edgar Martinez, Rafael Palmeiro

SP: Greg Maddux,Tom Glavine
SP: Roger Clemens, Mike Mussina
SP: Kevin Brown, Pedro Martinez
SP: Randy Johnson, Kevin Appier
RP: John Franco, John Wetteland

[Wee Willie]

C - Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B - Jeff Bagwell, Frank Thomas
2B - Craig Biggio, Roberto Alomar
3B - Robin Ventura, Matt Williams
SS - Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken
OF - Barry Bonds, Albert Belle
CF - Ken Griffey, Jr., Bernie Williams
OF - Tony Gwynn, Larry Walker
WC - Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff

SP - Greg Maddux, Kevin Brown
SP - Roger Clemens, Mike Mussina
SP - Randy Johnson, John Smoltz
SP - Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez
RP - John Wetteland, Dennis Eckersley

[swingman24]

C:Mike Piazza-Ivan Rodriguez
1B:Jeff Bagwell-Mark McGwire
2B:Roberto Alomar-Craig Biggio
3B:Matt Williams-Robin Ventura(Chipper Jones if he had played more years)
SS:Cal Ripken Jr.-Barry Larkin(Alex Rodriguez same boat as Chipper)
LF:Barry Bonds-Albert Belle
CF:Ken Griffey Jr.-Kenny Lofton
RF:Tony Gwynn-Juan Gonzalez
WC:Frank Thomas-Edgar Martinez
SP:Randy Johnson-Tom Glavine
SP:Greg Maddux-John Smoltz
SP:Roger Clemens-Mike Mussina
SP:Pedro Martinez-Kevin Brown
RP:Trevor Hoffman-Dennis Eckersley

[DoubleX]

C:Mike Piazza-Ivan Rodriguez
1B:Jeff Bagwell-Mark McGwire
2B:Roberto Alomar-Craig Biggio
3B:Matt Williams-Robin Ventura(Chipper Jones if he had played more years)
SS:Cal Ripken Jr.-Barry Larkin(Alex Rodriguez same boat as Chipper)
LF:Barry Bonds-Albert Belle
CF:Ken Griffey Jr.-Kenny Lofton
RF:Tony Gwynn-Juan Gonzalez
WC:Frank Thomas-Edgar Martinez
SP:Randy Johnson-Tom Glavine
SP:Greg Maddux-John Smoltz
SP:Roger Clemens-Mike Mussina
SP:Pedro Martinez-Kevin Brown
RP:Trevor Hoffman-Dennis Eckersley

Hi swingman - welcome to BBF. Nice ballot. Chipper Jones does technically qualify for the decade because he did appear in 6 seasons, albeit the 6th seasons is just 3 ABs. But it counts - so if you feel he did enough in the other 5 years, you can vote for him if you want.

Alex Rodriguez technically qualifies at well, though he only has 4 real years, while Jones has 5.

[STLCards2]

C: Ivan Rodriguez-Mike Piazza
1B: Jeff Bagwell - Frank Thomas
2B: Roberto Alomar - Craig Biggio
SS: Cal Ripken Jr - Barry Larkin
3B: Matt Williams - Robin Ventura
OF: Barry Bonds - Albert Belle
OF: Ken Griffey Jr. - Larry Walker
OF: Tony Gwynn - Bernie Williams
WC: Edgar Martinez - Fred McGriff

SP: Greg Maddux - Pedro Martinez
SP: Roger Clemens - Kevin Brown
SP: Randy Johnson - Mike Mussina
SP: Tom Glavine - John Smoltz
RP: John Franco - John Wetteland

[torez77]

C: Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Jeff Bagwell, Mark McGwire
2B: Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio
3B: Robin Ventura, Matt Williams
SS: Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken, Jr.
OF: Barry Bonds, Albert Belle
OF: Ken Griffey, Jr., Larry Walker
OF: Tony Gwynn, Bernie Williams
WC: Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez

SP: Roger Clemens, Kevin Brown
SP: Tom Glavine, David Cone
SP: Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez
SP: Greg Maddux, Mike Mussina
RP: John Wetteland, Dennis Eckersley

[DoubleX]

This election is supposed to end today, but I don't have time to count up the votes, so I'm extending it a day. Hopefully we'll get another ballot or two as well.

[DoubleX]

Here's the All 90's team:

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Jeff Bagwell
2B: Roberto Alomar
SS: Barry Larkin
3B: Robin Ventura
OF: Ken Griffey Jr*
OF: Barry Bonds
OF: Tony Gwynn
WC: Frank Thomas

SP1: Greg Maddux*
SP2: Roger Clemens
SP3: Randy Johnson
SP4: Tom Glavine
RP: John Wetteland

* = Unaminous selection.

In case you're wondering, this is the B team we voted for:

C: Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Mark McGwire (Frank Thomas actually finished 2nd at 1B, but he already made the A team - McGwire was tied with McGriff for 3rd, but McGwire won due to more 1st Team votes)
2B: Craig Biggio
SS: Cal Ripken Jr
3B: Matt Williams
OF: Albert Belle
OF: Bernie Williams
OF: Larry Walker
WC: Edgar Martinez

SP1: Mike Mussina
SP2: Kevin Brown
SP3: Pedro Martinez
SP4: David Cone (beat out John Smoltz due to more 1st team votes)
RP: Dennis Eckersley


I'll try get the 80s started either tonight or tomorrow, but I'm swamped rihgt now.

[dgarza]

No vote count? Just curious....

[DoubleX]

No vote count? Just curious....

Sorry, I didn't have time to post it. Here it is (there were only 10 ballots which is a little disappointing):

Catcher
1) Mike Piazza - 95 Points
2) Ivan Rodriguez - 55 Points

First Base
1) Jeff Bagwell - 90 Points
2) Frank Thomas - 35 Points (50 Points with Wild Card Votes)
3) Mark McGwire - 10 Points (Tiebreaker over McGriff due to more A votes)
4) Fred McGriff - 10 Points (20 Points with Wild Card Votes)
5) Mark Grace - 5 Points (15 points with Wild Card Votes)

Second Base
1) Roberto Alomar - 90 Points
2) Craig Biggio - 55 Points
3) Chuck Knoblauch - 5 Points

Shortstop
1) Barry Larkin - 85 Points
2) Cal Ripken Jr - 60 Points
3) Jay Bell - 5 Points

Third Base
1) Robin Ventura - 60 Points
2) Matt Wiliams - 50 Points
3) Chipper Jones - 25 Points

Outfield
1) Ken Griffey Jr - 100 Points
t2) Barry Bonds - 95 Points
t2) Tony Gwynn - 95 Points
4) Albert Belle - 50 Points
t5) Larry Walker - 40 Points
t5) Bernie Williams - 40 Points
7) Sammy Sosa - 10 Points
t8) Steve Finley - 5 Points
t8) Juan Gonzalez - 5 Points
t8) Rickey Henderson - 5 Points
t8) Kenny Lofton - 5 Points

Cumulative (Position+Wild Card Votes)
1) Frank Thomas - 85 Points
2) Edgar Martinez - 55 Points
3) Fred McGriff - 20 Points
4) Mark Grace - 15 Points
5) Sammy Sosa - 10 Points (Tiebreaker over Palmeiro due to more A votes)
6) Rafael Palmeiro - 10 Points
7) Brady Anderson - 5 Points

Starting Pitcher
1) Greg Maddux - 100 Points
2) Roger Clemens - 95 Points
3) Randy Johnson - 90 Points
4) Tom Glavine - 85 Points
5) Mike Mussina - 55 Points
6) Pedro Martinez - 50 Points (Tiebreaker over Brown due to more A votes)
7) Kevin Brown - 50 Points
8) David Cone - 25 Points (Tiebreaker over Smoltz due to more A votes)
9) John Smoltz - 25 Points
10) Kevin Appier - 15 Points
11) Chuck Finley - 5 Points
12) Ramon Martinez - 5 Points

Relief Pitcher
1) John Wetteland - 60 Points
2) Dennis Eckersley - 45 Points
3) John Franco - 35 Points
4) Trevor Hoffman - 10 Points


Also, just a note about the wild card voting. Wild Card points don't count towards a position. For the final team, I put on the player with the most total points that didn't win a position. In this case, that was Frank Thomas thanks to his combination of 1B and WC votes. However, if some positional player runnerup had more total votes, he'd be the WC even if he had less WC votes than Thomas.

[-Kyle-]

:o Darn, I thought I already voted here.

[DoubleX]

:o Darn, I thought I already voted here.

You can always vote for the 80s! ;)

[Minstrel]

C: Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Mark McGwire, Jeff Bagwell
2B: Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio
SS: Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken Jr.
3B: Robin Ventura, Matt Williams
OF: Barry Bonds, Larry Walker
OF: Ken Griffey Jr., Tony Gwynn
OF: Albert Belle, Bernie Williams
WC: Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez

SP: Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez
SP: Roger Clemens, Mike Mussina
SP: Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown
SP: Tom Glavine, John Smoltz
RP: Trevor Hoffman, John Wetteland

[Minstrel]

Oops, looks like I'm too late. I didn't read all the way through the thread to see that it had ended.

[DoubleX]

Oops, looks like I'm too late. I didn't read all the way through the thread to see that it had ended.

Feel free to jump in on the 80s!