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Derek Jeter
01-01-2002, 05:06 AM
So as many of you know, J.D. Drew is about to finalize a contract with Boston:crazy . The question I have for you is should the Yankees make a counter move and if so what should they do?:rolleyes:
ChrisLDuncan
12-03-2006, 07:39 PM
They should counter with Zito.
BrewCrew1
12-03-2006, 07:45 PM
They should counter with Zito.

Agree, But not as easy as it sounds. A lot of teams are looking for a good 1 or 2 pitcher.
ChrisLDuncan
12-03-2006, 07:47 PM
Agree, But not as easy as it sounds. A lot of teams are looking for a good 1 or 2 pitcher.

True, the Mets want him bad and they'll drive his price up...plus I don't know how he'll do full time in the AL East.
cmaff05
12-03-2006, 08:44 PM
How about we don't react to what the Red Sox do?

Counter moves have helped us alot over the years.. like Carl Pavano, Jose Contreras,etc.
DoubleX
12-03-2006, 08:51 PM
Why should the Yankees counter to this? I haven't read that a deal has been finalized yet with Drew, but with the numbers I'm reading that Drew might get, upwards of five years and 70 million, I say let the Red Sox enjoy this expensive mistake, and let them further compound it by believing that with Drew on board, they can go ahead and trade Manny Ramirez.

Drew has a lot of talet, but that is greatly mitigated by the fact that he misses on average 45 games a season and that given his history of missing games and trying to squeeze out the most money possible, I really question his motivation on the field. If he does get something like a 5 year deal, certainly for more than he's worth, I don't see that as suddenly motivating him to be on the field more. He got his big payday and he really didn't need to do much to get it, so why would he start playing hard and regularly now?
ChrisLDuncan
12-03-2006, 09:01 PM
How about we don't react to what the Red Sox do?


Well if the move help us I say we do it. Don't do something just because Boston does something, however we need to keep up with them...AL's going to be tough again this season.
Evangelion
12-03-2006, 10:20 PM
The best counter would be to save their money. ;)

No, you don't have to make a counter move. I'm still under the impression they just traded Contreras during the deadline of 04 to counter Boston move of Garciapara. Why in the world trade Contreras, who didn't have much value, for another disappointing pitcher in Loaiza, who came back to earth after his 03 Cy Young season. You don't have to counter another organization move useless it clearly going to help you. At the time of that deal, I didn't see how it helped New York in any sense.
mikesty
12-03-2006, 10:37 PM
Heck yeah. Sign Bernabe! Then the Sox will have to sign Trotsicle.
ChrisLDuncan
12-04-2006, 12:52 AM
Heck yeah. Sign Bernabe! Then the Sox will have to sign Trotsicle.

Ehh, the thing is though is that Trot's pretty good. And yeah we should resign Bernie.
Mattingly
12-04-2006, 06:03 AM
To me, the Yanks and BoSox are in different shoes as to OFers. In JD Drew, he'd be replacing the much-admired, beloved and home-grown, but oft-injured Trot Nixon. Therefore, if they'd traded Manny, which is definitely "Hot Stove" material, they'd then need an impact player. Who does Drew replace? Nixon or Manny? Likely Nixon, since only someone like Pujols or Howard would replace Manny.

The Yanks have a glut of OFers. We have Melky, Matsui, Damon, Abreu. In fact, re-signing Bernie for 2007 is an option that's being currently debated here.

I don't see any need on the Yanks' part to outdo anyone. If anything, it's the Yanks who've mostly outdone others. The only "outdoing" that the Red Sox have done of late is bidding $51.1m to negotiate exclusively with Matsuzaka. I very much presume that they'll hammer out a deal, in order for everyone to save face from such a splashy, boldfaced headline move which has multiple exclamation marks written all over it!

Is JD Drew a better outfielder than Matsui, Damon or Abreu? While I think he would be more useful to them offensively than Nixon, I don't see his signing, presuming it's agreed upon and he passes the physical, to be such that it would require a Yankee countermove.

I'm also against reactionary things. If Ande Pettitte is available and his desire to play, including returning to his old (and some new) teammates, then I'm not overly sure that we should overpay for Barry Zito. Oakland has offered him arbitration, so if he strays, the new team owes them a draft pick.
KCGHOST
12-04-2006, 08:08 AM
Drew still hasn't signed with anyone so I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about. The Red Sox with Nixon and not Drew aren't really that much different than they would be with Drew and without Nixon. It all comes down to whether the guy is healthy enough to contribute.
TonyStarks
12-04-2006, 10:11 AM
The Drew deal is most likely done, but it won't be "done" until the Sox find a team that's going to take Manny off their hands.

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Now why should the Yanks make a counter move? IMO, making a move just because the Sox do is stupid.

The Yanks should be concentrating on other things, such as the Pitching.

I'm not afraid of JD Drew because the guy cannot stay healthy.
He's the Grant Hill of MLB.
Yankeebiscuitfan
12-04-2006, 10:46 AM
Why on earth should we counter? Just focus on the players/positions we need. If we counter because they signed Drew, it is only buying because of the buying.

No need for that.
Mariano_Rivera
12-04-2006, 01:15 PM
No they should keep up the same approach they`ve used so far. The only way they could counter it anyway is getting Zito and that is possibly the worst move they could possibly make.
ChrisLDuncan
12-04-2006, 01:17 PM
No they should keep up the same approach they`ve used so far. The only way they could counter it anyway is getting Zito and that is possibly the worst move they could possibly make.

What about if we counter with Trot Nixon, or Jeff Weaver...the move may not be the best but there's worse moves. I remember when there were people saying that we shouldn't sign Damon...and that move worked out pretty well.
slugger33
12-04-2006, 01:22 PM
Do you think that Boston would ever trade Manny if it was a good deal?
Mariano_Rivera
12-04-2006, 01:22 PM
What about if we counter with Trot Nixon, or Jeff Weaver...the move may not be the best but there's worse moves. I remember when there were people saying that we shouldn't sign Damon...and that move worked out pretty well.

Allow me to rephrase my previous post. It's the worst move within reason they could make.
slugger33
12-04-2006, 01:54 PM
Allow me to rephrase my previous post. It's the worst move within reason they could make.
I don't think signing Zito would be a bad move at all. The Yankees need some decent pitching.
Mariano_Rivera
12-04-2006, 01:59 PM
I don't think signiong Zito would be a bad move at all. The Yankees need some decent pitching.

Exactly, which is why they shouldn`t sign Zito.
tripledup22
12-04-2006, 02:18 PM
why is it always a counter move?
lets say the red sox trade their best player. do we need to counter by trading our best player?
really just let things work out
who agrees?
tripledup22
12-04-2006, 02:19 PM
Why on earth should we counter? Just focus on the players/positions we need. If we counter because they signed Drew, it is only buying because of the buying.

No need for that.
i didnt see this one but
my thoughts exactly
TonyStarks
12-04-2006, 03:07 PM
I don't think signiong Zito would be a bad move at all. The Yankees need some decent pitching.

The Yanks have decent pitching.
They need to upgrade their pitching staff, IMO.

Zito could be a good start, but the Mets are hard after him and I"m sure this is going to turn into a bidding war.

Who's his agent, Boras? If so, I would back out before the Yanks give up the farm just to beat the Mets in getting him.


Guys....
Just curious....whats the absolute most you would pay for the guy if you were Cashman?
Mariano_Rivera
12-04-2006, 04:04 PM
The Yanks have decent pitching.
They need to upgrade their pitching staff, IMO.

Zito could be a good start, but the Mets are hard after him and I"m sure this is going to turn into a bidding war.

Who's his agent, Boras? If so, I would back out before the Yanks give up the farm just to beat the Mets in getting him.


Guys....
Just curious....whats the absolute most you would pay for the guy if you were Cashman?

Considering that Lilly is getting 10 million a year I`d say 12-13 million.

The best way to help run prevention right now is to upgrade defense. pitching is to scarce and expensive right now to be upgraded enough to make a significant difference.
DoubleX
12-04-2006, 04:29 PM
Guys....
Just curious....whats the absolute most you would pay for the guy if you were Cashman?

I was thinking about this today after reading this Jon Heyman article at SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/12/04/monday.scoop/index.html), which said that Zito might have a strong preference to play for the Yankees and could take a discount. Though he figures that discount would have to be for like 14 mil annually, which is likely well below what other teams will likely offer. This reminds of the Carlos Beltran signing when Beltran reportedly would have accepted millions less to play for the Yankees, but the Yankees wouldn't bite.

Anyway, as for me, I suppose I could stomach 14 mil for 4 maybe 5 years. I like his durability and his age, but I don't think he's worth as much as he'll get. He's also reportedly seeking a 7 year deal, and that's too long for me. He's looking for and will likely get "ace" money, and I don't think he'll be an ace. Perhaps a good second guy, kind of like Mike Mussina, but never as dominant as expected for the money.
YANKEESmmm
12-06-2006, 06:39 AM
No counter. I Don't consider J.D. Drew a big deal. He's got talent, But I don't think it's A big upgrade over Trot.
Mattingly
12-06-2006, 01:37 PM
The Yanks have decent pitching.
They need to upgrade their pitching staff, IMO.

Zito could be a good start, but the Mets are hard after him and I"m sure this is going to turn into a bidding war.

Who's his agent, Boras? If so, I would back out before the Yanks give up the farm just to beat the Mets in getting him.

Guys....
Just curious....whats the absolute most you would pay for the guy if you were Cashman?
Since Jason Schmidt just signed for $47/3, I figured that's just under $16m, so Zito's market price is likely $16-17m, but he's expecting a 5-year deal. I think that he could be had with a 4-year deal in the $65m range, but it could be $68m. I think that's a bit too much for him.

Article: Lilly's agent set to meet with Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2688676)

Still, if we sign Pettitte for about $13m or so, then if we can get Lilly for about $30m/3 yrs or so, I think that may make more sense. Not awesome, but the Yanks have too many crazy contracts already to afford anything more. If we didn't have Unit and Giambi, I'd have said to go for Schmidt and Zito.
TonyStarks
12-06-2006, 01:46 PM
No counter. I Don't consider J.D. Drew a big deal. He's got talent, But I don't think it's A big upgrade over Trot.

I beg to differ.

JD Drew is a very good player and a big upgrade over Trot...but the thing with JD is that he cannot stay healthy for a team to reap all the benefits.
YANKEESmmm
12-07-2006, 06:48 AM
I had his health in mind. I just think he's more likely to hit .285, 25 homers by the end of the season. If so those numbers are in the neighborhood of what Trot was doing(mostly a couple years ago). Plus since he doesn't put two good seasons together he's due for a bad one. And maybe I want to believe Boston made a mistake.