Should we acquire Dontrelle Willis

[Derek Jeter]

I say we should get him if we can.:) But I dont think that the Marlins are going to trade and organization pitcher for TWO prospects. I think that Willis is worth more than just two prospects!!:evil If the trade is finalized we probably would have to give them major league ready talent, which we dont exactly have an abudunce of.

[ChrisLDuncan]

With all the Manny talk in Hot Stove there's another, and bigger deal, deal that might happen. Dontrelle Willis may be traded to the New York Yankees, do YOU want that trade to happen.

Let's assume that this is the offer:

FLA gets:
Humberto Sanchez
Melky Cabrera


NYY gets:
Dontrelle Willis

I think the Marlins may ask for more, but if they do who would be the other piece? And would you be willing to throw in Tyler Clippard and possibly Phillip Hughes if we get a Marlins top prospect aswell?

I only want Yankees fans to vote in the poll but fans of every team may post here.

[EvanAparra]

Lol, if thats ALLL they ask for Willis -- then their GM needs to be stripped of his job and never work in baseball again.

[JordanDL3891]

no way, give young guys for him, plus, I read he will do bad being under the best team with the best fans in the world.

i'd go after zito or schmidt - more experienced

[KCGHOST]

Well, duh, if you can get Willis for that relative chump change you had better leap at it. Not a chance, though.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Lol, if thats ALLL they ask for Willis -- then their GM needs to be stripped of his job and never work in baseball again.

Well what else would they want Proctor too? That's too much to give up for me, I've watched too many other Marlins pitchers come to the AL East and die.

[EvanAparra]

Well what else would they want Proctor too? That's too much to give up for me, I've watched too many other Marlins pitchers come to the AL East and die.

Well, if you're the GM of the Yankees, then the deal never happens. Willis is worth a lot more than Melky and Sanchez -- Even more than Melky, Sanchez, and Proctor. He's an ace pitcher in his mid-twenties, that doesn't come cheap.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Well, if you're the GM of the Yankees, then the deal never happens. Willis is worth a lot more than Melky and Sanchez -- Even more than Melky, Sanchez, and Proctor. He's an ace pitcher in his mid-twenties, that doesn't come cheap.

Have you seen the other Marlins who pitched in the AL East? I mean imagine getting used to face David Ortiz instead of John Smoltz, I'd imagine that it would suck. You are right about Dontrelle, but that would set the team back a while. Would you do the trade if you're Cashman?

[EvanAparra]

Have you seen the other Marlins who pitched in the AL East? I mean imagine getting used to face David Ortiz instead of John Smoltz, I'd imagine that it would suck. You are right about Dontrelle, but that would set the team back a while. Would you do the trade if you're Cashman?

What other Marlins? Beckett? What about Burnett? He was pretty good this year, despite injuries.

And yes, I would pull that deal if I were Cashman.

[ChrisLDuncan]

What other Marlins? Beckett? What about Burnett? He was pretty good this year, despite injuries.

And yes, I would pull that deal if I were Cashman.

Beckett, Pavano, and Burnett is always hurt, I don't think the D-Train has an injury...I'm just concerned from him making the jump from JV to Varsity.

[EvanAparra]

Beckett, Pavano, and Burnett is always hurt, I don't think the D-Train has an injury...I'm just concerned from him making the jump from JV to Varsity.

You mean all 100 innings Pavano pitched? Not really a valid indicator there.

Burnett does get hurt quite a bit, but the move to the AL didnt cause it, he actually pitched a little better this year than last when he was in Florida.

It could be bad -- could be great.. but I say you take the 24 yr old guy that could Anchor a staff over a reliever, pitching prospect, and an OF can could/could not pan out.

Plus Dontrelle can pinch hit for ya.

[ChrisLDuncan]

You mean all 100 innings Pavano pitched? Not really a valid indicator there.

Burnett does get hurt quite a bit, but the move to the AL didnt cause it, he actually pitched a little better this year than last when he was in Florida.

It could be bad -- could be great.. but I say you take the 24 yr old guy that could Anchor a staff over a reliever, pitching prospect, and an OF can could/could not pan out.

Plus Dontrelle can pinch hit for ya.

So you don't think Pavano was a bust? I'm still torn on this one

However I see your point about the Ace, what if they ask for Clippard too?

Or lets ask you this lets say the Marlins want WMP, Craig Hansen, Dustin Pedoria, and Clay Bucholz for Willis do you do it?

Because I don't want to repeat the same mistakes of trading young prospects for veteran players.

[Evangelion]

Pavano a bust at the moment, but that could change.

Lol, that's a loop slide deal for Willis. Pena, Hansen, Pedoria and Bucholz. No person in their right mind would do that deal. Nothing against Willis, but he's not worth that much.

Lol, veteran players? You mean old players. Willis will be 25 entering into 2007. Prospect are called prospects for a reason. Willis a pitcher who's proved he can pitch at the big league level. A high gamble will always be present when dealing highly touted prospects, look at Rameriz and Sanchez for Florida, but even so, Boston still obtain a young pitcher in the deal.

You don't want to see teams shipping young talent out for aged pitchers in their 40's like New York did with Johnson.

[EvanAparra]

Lol, that's a loop slide deal for Willis. Pena, Hansen, Pedoria and Bucholz. No person in their right mind would do that deal. Nothing against Willis, but he's not worth that much.

No. I wouldnt do that either. While I would give up Proctor, Melky, and Sanchez -- Mainly because I dont think Melky will be better than an average OFer and because Sanchez isn't a 'super prospect', just a pretty good one.

But Pena -- who hit .300 this year with outstanding power, Pedroia, who projects to have pretty good offensive numbers and has a great glove to boot -- Hansen (dont know what to say about him, Id be willing to part with him), and Buchholz, best pitcher in Sox system is just too much.

Pena, Hansen, and another prospect is definately doable -- Same with Pedroia and Pena. But 4 quality players is too much for my tastes.

And Evangenlion, it's Ramirez, not Rameriz -- unless you're misspelling on purpose.

This isnt the point though -- Its about the Yankees -- Should they go after Willis? Yes. Would a trade including Sanchez, Melky, and Clippard for Willis be good for the yankees? Probably great.

[The Kid]

You will never get Willis, because you won't ever trade Milky Cabrera and your little pitcher, phillip hughues. :laugh

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Maybe we should give it a try. But not at every cost.

I don't want Melky and Hughes to be traded for him.

We have a promising pitcher in Randy Johnson... :rolleyes:

[Evangelion]

Nice job picking at a typo, Evan. :rolleyes:

New York will trade Melky, if the right deal comes along. Hughes on the other hand would be nearly untouchable, nobody untouchable completely. It's odd that Yankees fans are completely against trading any young talent away these days. Hughes is understandable, but if you could answer a need with Melky, you deal him. Damon, Matsui and Abreu are better overall players and established. Melky got a great glove, but he's expendable since those three are there for the near future.

I'm a fan of Melky and growing home grown talent, but if you can make a deal that will make your team better, you make it.

[EvanAparra]

Nice job picking at a typo, Evan. :rolleyes:


Jeez, :rolleyes: I've seen you misspell his name almost everytime you type it, so just figured i'd let you know. Just trying to help you out a little, not pick at something.

[clipper]

Guys, This is the third post we discussed Willis for Melky, prospects, money. Most of us agree it a BAD trade. I am getting worried someone (Brian) will think this is a good trade or take this serious. One Willis is no Zito or Schmidt. He's is not worth it. Burnett and Beckett are better pitchers. Did the Red Sox really make out? I would rather get Zito for 5 yeras at 15M before this trade. I feel Melky adds chemistry and excitement. He made great improvements and helped us get to the post season. I feel he is going to get better. Forget it. I wouldn't trade him period. The only trade for Willis is Pravano with money and that's not going to happen. We finally got a decent farm system. I want us to develop our young players. We got Hughes, Proctor, and Sanchez to fill in our rotation this coming year. Trading any of these guys with Melky for Willis is the worst, dumbest, apolocylic (sp) idea so far.

Let's Drop It. No Way.

Clipper

[EvanAparra]

One Willis is no Zito or Schmidt.

You're right -- Willis is better, younger, and cheaper than the both of 'em.

Burnett and Beckett are better pitchers.

How is that, Clipper? Willis' last 2 years have been better than Beckett and Burnett's last two years -- There was a reason that they traded Beckett and not Willis in the firesale.

I feel Melky adds chemistry and excitement. He made great improvements and helped us get to the post season. I feel he is going to get better. Forget it. I wouldn't trade him period.

If you really believe he is going to be worth close to as much as Willis in the future than so be it, but why? You wouldn't trade him for Joe Mauer or Rich Hill or Brandon Webb either? (not trying to be smart, an actual question.)

We finally got a decent farm system. I want us to develop our young players. We got Hughes, Proctor, and Sanchez to fill in our rotation this coming year. Trading any of these guys with Melky for Willis is the worst, dumbest, apolocylic (sp) idea so far.

No, it's really not. This guy has put up some pretty darn good numbers, and he's only 24! I don't condone trading Hughes, but Proctor and Sanchez? You think they are so good that they can't be inlcuded in a deal for one of the best, youngest, pitchers around?

[Waitinfor27]

Guys, This is the third post we discussed Willis for Melky, prospects, money. Most of us agree it a BAD trade. I am getting worried someone (Brian) will think this is a good trade or take this serious. One Willis is no Zito or Schmidt. He's is not worth it. Burnett and Beckett are better pitchers. Did the Red Sox really make out? I would rather get Zito for 5 yeras at 15M before this trade. I feel Melky adds chemistry and excitement. He made great improvements and helped us get to the post season. I feel he is going to get better. Forget it. I wouldn't trade him period. The only trade for Willis is Pravano with money and that's not going to happen. We finally got a decent farm system. I want us to develop our young players. We got Hughes, Proctor, and Sanchez to fill in our rotation this coming year. Trading any of these guys with Melky for Willis is the worst, dumbest, apolocylic (sp) idea so far.

Let's Drop It. No Way.

Clipper

Couldn't have said it better myself Clipper. Melky is a future, if not current outfielder for the starting lineup. Trading him is absolutely ridiculous, as he can take over in RF after Abreu leaves. Not to mention, Proctor is a workhorse, as he prepares as a starter, and can relieve very well. And anyone who mentions Phillip Hughes for any trade is a nut. I've seen him. HE'S GOOD. No D-Train for the Yankees, we're loaded with starting pitching.

[EvanAparra]

No D-Train for the Yankees, we're loaded with starting pitching.

Loaded with SP? Where?

Wang
Mussina
Johnson
Igawa
-----(Pavano?)

I'm not trying to diss the Yankees here or anything, but you really shouldn't be counting on Johnson to be healthy all year, same with Pavano -- Who knows about Igawa, some teams even had him as a relief pitcher. You can NEVER have enough starting pitching -- ask the '06 Red Sox.

[Evangelion]

Is everyone under the assumption that every NL pitcher coming to AL will fail?

Willis would be younger and better than Zito and Schmidt. Zito heading into 30's and had that one Cy Young season. Remember, Loaiza and that one fluke season he had with Chicago? Schmidt hasn't be aging well and he's not blowing people away like he once did. He's still effective, but he's no longer the ace stud pitcher he was at one point of his career.

Why in the world would you want to be tied up with Zito for 5 seasons? Not to mention at 15 million instead of giving up prospect and Melky, who Yankees fans seem to think far better and got more potential than he actually does have. Nothing against thinking Melky great, but if that was how people viewed him, he would be slotted to start next season, not riding the bench. If he was that great, New York would find a way to get him in the lineup.

Trading prospect for good young arms isn't an awful idea. Trading prospect away for 40 year old pitchers would be a terrible idea. Everyone under the impression of not trading any prospect away, which isn't how you should approach looking at prospect. You don't throw them out like Boston and New York did a couple of seasons ago, but you don't just hold onto them. You never know what they'll give you at MLB level. Trading them away for proven talent isn't a bad idea.

Trading Melky for Willis would be stupid, on Florida's side. Like I said, I like Melky, but people are vastly overrating him and under the impression he's going to be the next O'Neil, Tino or Scott.

[EvanAparra]

Is everyone under the assumption that every NL pitcher coming to AL will fail?

I would say so -- But I dont understand it. A good pitcher is a good pitcher is a good pitcher. Time to adjust? Maybe. They can still perform -- they havent been in little league all their careers, there are still major league hitters over there.

[clipper]

Is everyone under the assumption that every NL pitcher coming to AL will fail?

Willis would be younger and better than Zito and Schmidt. Zito heading into 30's and had that one Cy Young season. Remember, Loaiza and that one fluke season he had with Chicago? Schmidt hasn't be aging well and he's not blowing people away like he once did. He's still effective, but he's no longer the ace stud pitcher he was at one point of his career.

Why in the world would you want to be tied up with Zito for 5 seasons? Not to mention at 15 million instead of giving up prospect and Melky, who Yankees fans seem to think far better and got more potential than he actually does have. Nothing against thinking Melky great, but if that was how people viewed him, he would be slotted to start next season, not riding the bench. If he was that great, New York would find a way to get him in the lineup.

Trading prospect for good young arms isn't an awful idea. Trading prospect away for 40 year old pitchers would be a terrible idea. Everyone under the impression of not trading any prospect away, which isn't how you should approach looking at prospect. You don't throw them out like Boston and New York did a couple of seasons ago, but you don't just hold onto them. You never know what they'll give you at MLB level. Trading them away for proven talent isn't a bad idea.

Trading Melky for Willis would be stupid, on Florida's side. Like I said, I like Melky, but people are vastly overrating him and under the impression he's going to be the next O'Neil, Tino or Scott.

OK, I would never sign Zito for 5 year at 15M and is probably not going to happen. I heard that's what Zito wants and it will probably be around 12M. I heard he talking with Texas. Willis is a good pitcher. He may win next year's NL Cy Young. I don't know. I would take Zito over Willis. (agree to disagree) I did look at the stats for Burnet, Beckett, and Willis. Willis did have the lowest ERA (NL), Burnett was hurt (AL), and Beckett had a 5 ERA with 16 wins(AL). All three are good pitchers. I just don't feel Willis is worth what Marlins want and hope we don't make this trade.

Clipper

[cmaff05]

I make this trade in a second. I'd trade Sanchez and Melky to the airport and check their bags in myself.

However, Florida is going to want ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLOT more.

[ChrisLDuncan]

your little pitcher, phillip hughues. :laugh

I don't go to the Red Sox forum and remind that you finished in THIRD PLACE, also Phillip Hughes is a top 3 prospect in ALL OF BASEBALL, the Sox have nothing like that. Who was the last hitter that the Sox farm produced??? I honestly can't remember I think Trot Nixon, we just pumped out Robinson Cano who in his sophmore season is arguably the best second baseman heading into next season. You don't wan't me to start adressing your off season problems which are:
Closer
CF
SS
Middle Relief

If I sound rude in the Red Sox forum I appologize that's your house so I try to be respectful

[Mariano_Rivera]

I`ll vote for the deal you mentioned and accept it in a heartbeat. Obviously though they want more. The better question is would you accept Clippard+Proctor+Cabrera+cash for Dontrelle Willis

I say no. I probably wouldn`t accept it if you put Sanchez in there instead of Clippard either. I know they are called prospects, I know that Willis is 100 times better than Zito, Schmidt, Igawa or Pettite. He`s also safer and slightly better than Matsuzaka or Clemens. I know he is in his mid 20's. I know all these thing but I still say no. Cabrera gives us the option of declining Abreu's 2008 option and combine his 15 million with Johnson's 15 million than the Yankees could be beklow the loose cap by 2008 even if they keep Giambi. Cabrera is also young and promising. I love his plate discliplince. Clippard is a promising youn pitcher who could be part of a future rotation with Hughes, Sanchez, Wang and Chamberlain (again I know they are called prospects and that Willis is 25). Proctor is a workhorse and was the anchor of the 2006 bullpen with Rivera. He could also start in an emergency. Does that remind of someone else from the late '90's? And then of course you have the money.

Obviously if we get Willis he can essentially take Clippard's place in the hypothetical future rotatio because he is so young. Except Willis is more of a sure thing and would be a part of the current rotation as well possibly the ace. Proctor and Cabrera hurt though. How do we fill the void left by Proctor? Obviously the role of a 4th OF can be filled but it won`t be as good as Cabrera or as young. They won`t be able to start by 2008 either and cut 15 million of the payroll by replacing Abreu. Proctor would be expendable if Cashman had succesfully signed Danys Baez or Justin Speier but he didn`t and Proctor is nit expendable.

I think they should just sit tight on the trade front. Let the the guys in the farm develop. 2007 should be a transition year. Odds are Murderers Row will carry them to the playoffs again. I think they have a solid 1-3 and Pavano might surprise us. If Johnson gets injured Hughes could come up and he could succeed as well. If the last two don`t happen who knows maybe we`1ll get hot at the right time.We also have a strong bullpen.

PS: Willis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zito

[cmaff05]

I'd trade Sanchez before I traded Clippard. While Sanchez has a higher ceiling, he's less likely to reach it. I think his future is in the bullpen.

Clippard, while he doesn't have the ceiling of Sanchez, is a known innings eater in the minors and will be a good middle of the rotation starter. He is a surefire major league starter, which is something I can't say about Sanchez.

[Mariano_Rivera]

With all the Manny talk in Hot Stove there's another, and bigger deal, deal that might happen. Dontrelle Willis may be traded to the New York Yankees, do YOU want that trade to happen.

Let's assume that this is the offer:

FLA gets:
Humberto Sanchez
Melky Cabrera


NYY gets:
Dontrelle Willis

I think the Marlins may ask for more, but if they do who would be the other piece? And would you be willing to throw in Tyler Clippard and possibly Phillip Hughes if we get a Marlins top prospect aswell?

I only want Yankees fans to vote in the poll but fans of every team may post here.

I would do the deal proposed so I voted yes but for the realistic deal i vote no

[ChrisLDuncan]

I would do the deal proposed so I voted yes but for the realistic deal i vote no

Well look at this from the Marlins perspective, they're loaded with pitching...they're going to loose Dontrelle at the end of the season anyways, and they need a CF...will they ask for more probably but I don't know how much more. I would give up more if I can get Dontrelle long term.

[Evangelion]

Doesn't matter if they're loaded with pitching. They won't make loop sided deals, because they have a surplus. Like I have been saying, Melky's value isn't as high as people expect. The Marlins would keep Dontrelle and likely deal him during the deadline if they're out of the race.

Also, did you consider Florida needs Melky?

Willingham and Hermida man both corner outfield position. Not sure if they're sticking with Amezaga at CF. They'll likely give Abercrombia, Borchard and Reed more of a chance out at CF next season.

Their rotation looks solid. If you deal with Florida, it will involve Proctor. Not like Florida rebuilding, as signs of last year. They're likely going into next year believing they're going to contend.

[Mike27]

I would do Melky and Sanchez for Dontrelle, but this is never going to happen. The Yanks would almost certainly need to give up Proctor, which they can't, along with Melky and Sanchez. I also don't like Florida pitchers coming to the AL east which seems to never work out. Also Sanchez and Ramirez became major pieces to Florida's team last year and I don't want to see Melky, Sanchez, and Proctor doing the same.

[Mariano_Rivera]

Well look at this from the Marlins perspective, they're loaded with pitching...they're going to loose Dontrelle at the end of the season anyways, and they need a CF...will they ask for more probably but I don't know how much more. I would give up more if I can get Dontrelle long term.

I know all of this but think of it like it's a bidding process. Why would they take the worse deal when they can get much more. They wouldn`t trade him like that until the deadline anyway. I really think it will be a boring off-season and most of the very few questions about this team will be settled in ST.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Well the Marlins need a CF pretty badly, like the Yankees in 2005 but worse...I dunno they'll probably deal Dontrelle for a young CF and other prospects.